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From 1901 to roughly 1924 Ahmadis believed MGA=Muhammad



Intro

Ahmadiyya beliefs are always changing.  In the earlier years, they changed a lot.  After MGA died, they continued to change.  In 1914, they kept changing.  MGA’s sons did Takfir on the entire Muslim world. However, by 1924, they stopped.  Maybe it was their private meeting by the Queen of England in 1924?  Nonetheless, in the below, I have found yet another quotation from the infamous book, “Kalimat ul Fasl” (1916) wherein MGA is described as on equal footing with Muhammad (Saw) (naozobillah).  However, this is what the Qadiani-Ahmadis believed.  There are many other instances from this era which prove my assertion.  

1.  Zaheeruddin Akmal was claiming that MGA was a law-bearing prophet in 1911.
2.  MGA abrogated jihad in 1900 and was thus a law-bearing prophet.
3.  MGA=Muhammad and vice versa
4.  MGA was the person allah spoke about in the famous “Ismuhu-Ahmad” verse of the Quran.

The Quote
“Every messenger was granted accomplishments and perfections according to his capacity and performance in varying degrees, but the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam) was granted prophethood when he had attained all the accomplishments of the Prophethood of Muhammad(SAW) and was qualified to be called a shadow prophet. Thus, this shadow prophethood did not make the steps of the Promised Messiah lag behind, but it pushed them forward to such an extent that it brought him on equal footing with the holy Prophet(SAW). “
( Kalimat-ul-Fasl , P. 113, by Mirza Basheer Ahmad Qadiani)(1916).

Some additional quotes from this era, and from Ahmadis

1.  “His messengers (rusuluhu) is encountered in the Quran or in a declaration of faith, Ghulam Ahmad must be considered one of them.  Belief in him is a part of Islamic faith and is, as such, necessary for the attainment of salvation (madar-i najat)” (“Nabi-ullah Ka Zahoor” aka “Appearance of the Prophet of Allah” (1911) by Muhammad Zahir al-Din, see pages 8, 71 and 99)(From Friedman, page 152, 2003 edition).  

2.  “If the Promised Messiah is rejected or considered in his claim (heaven forbid!) a liar and a cheat—the inevitable result will be the loss of prophethood of Muhammad….as well”  (“Nabi-ullah Ka Zahoor”: aka “Appearance of the Prophet of Allah” (1911) by Muhammad Zahir al-Din, see page 80)(From Friedman, page 152, 2003 edition).

1901, from Khutbah Ilhamia
“One who denies that the mission of the Prophet(SAW) is related to the 6th thousand (13th century) as it was related to 5th thousand (6th century), denies the truth and the text of the Quran and is among the zalemeen (gone astray). The truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet(SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand (13th century in Mirza Ghulam), i.e. these days, is MUCH STRONGER, MORE COMPLETE and STRONGER than in THOSE EARLY YEARS . Nay, it is like the fourteenth (moonlit) night (full moon).”
(Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 271-272; Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, P. 181)

 

John Rippon rips the Ahmadiyya belief that Esa (As) =Yuz Asaph and was buried in Kashmir

The data
The shrine is first mentioned in the Waqi’at-i-Kashmir (Story of Kashmir, published 1747), also known as the Tarikh Azami (History by Azam)[13] by the Khwaja Muhammad Azam Didamari, a local Srinagar Sufi writer. Muhammed Azam states that the tomb is of a foreign prophet and prince, Yuzasuf, or in modern local Kashimiri transcription Youza Asouph. The name may derive from the Urdu “Yuzasaf” in the legend of Balauhar and Yuzasaf, Yuzasaf being a name for Gautama Buddha.[14] Yuzasaf occurs as a spelling in the Rasail Ikhwan al-Safa of the Brethren of Purity and other sources.[15] David Marshall Lang (1960) notes that the connection of the Buddhist Yuzasaf with Kashmir in part results from a printing error in the Bombay Arabic edition referencing the legend of the Wisdom of Balahvar which makes its hero prince Yuzasaf die in “Kashmir” (Arabic: كشمير) by confusion with Kushinara (Pali: كوشينر), the traditional place of the original Buddha’s death.[16][17]

Per Beskow in The Blackwell Companion to Jesus ed. Delbert Burkett 2011 “Only later did Ahmad’s disciples invent the compromise that Jesus had been twice in India. Ahmad’s primary source is a legend, known in the West as the tale of Barlaam and Josaphat. It was widely read all through the Middle Ages as an edifying… Yuzasaf as the principal character is named in Urdu, is helped on his way by the wise Bilhawar … Ahmad divided Yuzasaf in two: Yuz Asaf. He declared that Yuz signified Jesus (who is not called by that name in any”

John Rippon in Journal of Ecclesiastical History Volume 18, Issue 02, October 1967, pp 247–248, online “In The Wisdom of Balahvar Professor Lang assembled the evidence for the Buddhist origins of the legends of the Christian saints Barlaam and Josephat. He suggested the importance of Arabic intermediaries, showing that confusion of diacritical markings turned Budhasaf (Bodhisattva, the Buddha-to-be) into Yudasaf, Iodasaph, Yuzasaf and Josaphat. By a curious roundabout journey this error reappears in once Buddhist Kashmir where the modern Ahmadiyya Muslims, well known for their Woking mosque, claim that a tomb of Yus Asaf was the tomb of Jesus who died in Kashmir, after having been taken down live from the cross; though though the Bombay Arabic edition of the book Balahvar makes its hero die in Kashmir, by confusion with Kushinara the traditional place of the Buddha’s death.”

From 1914–1922, The Qadiani Ahmadis argued that MGA=Muhammad (saw) (nauzobillah)

Intro
The Qadiani branch of Ahmadis is very vicious and corporation like.  They have changed their beliefs many times whenever it is expedient.  In the era wherein Mahmud Ahmad stole the Khilafat, that is 1914–1922, he presented Ahmadiyya very differently then his Lahori-Ahmadi counterparts.  In fact, the Lahori’s diluted the position of MGA (see Truth Prevails, 1965) in 1912-1914 and then continued to do so until today.  However, the Qadianis were bolder…they presented MGA in his full grandeur.  Below is a quote wherein MGA is equated to Muhammad (SaW) (nauzobillah).  They also did Takfir in this era….and then stopped after 1922…..most likely in an attempt to work with the Khilafat movement in India.  

The Quote
“The entity of the promised Masih (Mirza), in the sight of Allah is the entity of the Holy Prophet (SAW). In other words, in the records of Allah there is no duality or difference between the promised Masih and the Holy Prophet (SAW). Rather they both share the same eminence, the same rank, the same status and the same name . …”. (Al-Fazl, Qadian, vol.3, No.37, dated 16th September 1915, as cited in Qadiani Mazhab page 207, 9th edition, Lahore)

In Ahmadiyya, “””Islam= the revelations of MGA+the Quran””

Intro
The Sunni-version of Islam is as follows, Hadith+Sunnah+the Quran=Islam.  It is common sense that the Quran without the hadith/sunnah is incomplete.  The Quranist has faded away into the annals of islamic thought by 1800.  However, Sir Syed revived this theory of Islam in the 1870’s. Some of his admirers were Noorudin, Abdul Kareem, MGA and Mufti Sadiq.  Sir Syed had even wrote that Esa (as) was never returning (1882) and he denied all concepts of the Mahdi.

The evidence that Ahmadis believe Islam= the revelations of MGA+the Quran
“the basis for our claim is not hadith but Quran and that wahi which comes to us.  Yes, in support we also quote those hadith which are according to Quran and do not contradict my wahi.  As for the rest of the hadiths, i throw them away like waste paper..” (See RK: vol: 19, pg. 140, 1902-1902 era).  “””Ijaz e ahmadi”””

The scan work
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Conclusions
Ahmadis have a unique system of interpreting Islam.  However, they think its a norm, or they openly lie about it just to confuse the masses.  Ahmadiyya is like selling pork.  Some people may be fooled, however, the majority will resist.

One more thing
In 1895, MGA wrote some different things on his formula of what Islam is…check this out:

“Of the other books that are accepted by us the Sahih of Bukhari ranks as the first. All its Ahadith which are not opposed to the Holy Qur’an are in our view authoritative. Next comes Sahih Muslim. We accept its authority subject to the condition that it should not be opposed to the Holy Qur’an and Sahih Bukhari. Next to them are the compilations of Tirmidhi, Ibn-e-Majah, Muattah of Imam Malik, Nassa’i, Abu Da’ud and Dar Qutni, which we regard as authoritative so long as they are not opposed to the Holy Qur’an and Bukhari and Muslim. These are our religious books and these are the conditions under which we accept them….(…)”
[Arya Dharam, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 10, pp. 86-87]

 

Ahmadiyya mosque vandalized in Sialkot, May–2018, but it’s all Ahmadi’s fault, since they were trying to build a museum to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Intro
The Ahmadiyya Movement is not persecuted in Pakistan at all, its all a lie for asylum.  The Mirza family want’s Ahmadi’s out of Pakistan so that they give more money to the Mirza family and then Mirza Masroor Ahmad can spend it on growing his family fortune, i.e. through the purchase of land all around the world.  In today’s case of fake Ahmadiyya persecution, we have read reports of how an official Ahmadiyya building was demolished by the Sialkot city authorities, since it was being constructed without the proper approval.  This house was owned by the father Mir Hamid Sialkoti.  Further, Maulvi Abdul Karim was born on the same street.

A museum dedicated to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?
A few months/years ago, the Ahmadiyya jamaat bought the house where MGA used to stay from 1864–1868.  They bought it with the intention to turn it into a sort of mural/museum dedicated to MGA.  If our readers remember correctly, MGA was forced into an exile by his father in 1864, this was because MGA was sent to pickup his family’s yearly pension money, MGA went with his big brother/cousin, Imam ud Din.  They both never returned home, they were on the run for most likely a year, until finally the money ran out.  MGA must have sent a letter home asking if he could return, however, his father banished him from Qadian, and specifically told MGA that he would never see his mother again, and would have to work in Sialkot, for a small wage.  Thus, MGA moved to Sialkot and lived there for 4 years, he never saw his children or his family, finally, MGA’s mother died and he was called back to Qadian.

Muslims of Pakistan explain the situation

If Ahmadi’s are facing genocide, why were they able to buy this property? 
Ahmadi’s are working hard to be declared as under genocide, they are doing this to get more Ahmadi’s out of pakistan and into the west so that the mirza family can reap the benefit of chanda money.

Other Ahmadi mosque related issues in Pakistan
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Chakwal

Remember…in this disturbance, an ahmadi security guard murdered a Muslim

Rabwah is trouble free
It should be noted…Rabwah is free from all of these types of incidents,

The real news report of what really happened
“””Gali Hassamuddin in Sialkot is a place where Mirza Qadiani had stayed in a rented house during his exile after he stole pension Money of his father and he remained a low grade Court clerk.

For many years Qadianis were planning to build a Mirza Ghulam Qadiani Museum here. They have purchased this house with one adjacent to it on the pattern of Allama Iqbal Museum which is very near from here. Majority of population in this place are sunny muslims on their protest the work was stopped. At distance from here there is a Qadiani temple known as Baituzzikar which was closed for many years.

Few days back Qadiani’s again started the construction work which sent a wave of anger among muslim of area. So they approached Local administration which allowed demolish of the building.””””

Why was the mosque vandalized?
Here at this blog, we don’t promote any violence against anyone, nor do we promote vandals.  However, we know how things work in 3rd world countries, which is the majority of the planet.  In this case, the Muslims of Sialkot were aggravated because of the illegal building, and took it tooo far and vandalized an Ahmadi place of worship.

The scans

Some additional pics

Some newspaper/other reports
https://www.dawn.com/news/1409714

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MIRZA SULTAN MUHAMMAD AND WIFE MUHAMMADI BEGUM LIVED AND DIED AS MUSLIM. HAD 5 SONS AND TWO DOUGHTERS.

Intro
We have written how the Qadiani-Ahmadi have in their desperation chased and tried to bribe the family of Muhammadi Begum, even after MGA died.  We wrote about how the Qadiani’s faked paperwork and misquoted many people.  Today, we present additional reports from that the 1950–70’s era on this topic, as well as scans.

Summary of these scans

Molana Manzoor. Ahmad Chinioti (1931-2004), was a religious scholar and has been a member parliament in Punjab Assembly. He has great services in the field of religious studies and Khatme Nabuwwat. He is the author of many books on the subject of Khatme Nabuwwat. He had a meeting with Muhammadi Begum, the sign of failed prophesy of Mirza Qadiani. It may be recalled here that Mirza Qadiani had prophesied that Muhammadi Begum would come to his Nikah virgin or divorced.

He wrote about this in the book Paigham Hidyat which has been summarised as under:-
“In June 1965, I along-with Molana Abdullah Ludhianvi Khateeb Jamia Masjid Ghalla Mandi Toba Tek Singh, went to Chak Shahzadian wala District Burewala, to see Muhammadi Begum, who was residing at that place with her eldest son Mirza Ishaq.

The husband of Muhammadi Begum, Mirza Sultan Muhammad migrated to this place from Patti India after partition in 1947. He was allotted 4 Murabba Land (100Acres) by the government. This land was managed by Mirza Ishaq.

It was known that Mirza Ishaq, the son of Muhammadi Begum had converted to Qadianiat due to the enticement of wealth and marriage with Qadiani Girl by the Qadianis, in 1930. The imam of local Masjid and residents of village told that Muhammadi Begum hated her son Mirza Ishaq for getting converted to Qadianiat and never ate food cooked by his wife as long as she was healthy enough to do cooking herself.

Since Muhammaadi Begum was at the last phase of her life at that time, Someone told that Qadianis are planning to take Muhammadi Begum to Rabwah and bury her after death to tell the world that Muhammadi Begum was converted to Ahmadiyya to fulfil the prophesy of Mirza Qadiani.

The Local Masjid Imam accompanied us to the house of Mirza Ishaq. We got seated in the DERA a place outside the house for guests. While we were having an introductory chat with the peoples in Dera, Mirza Ishaq, a tall sturdy man holding a DAANG, (long round baton) and a large utensil on the head, has arrived. He had a loud and heavy voice, after salutation he said Molvi What is it that you are here for ?

I said I wanted to know the address of your brother Asif Sultan. But why do u want to see him, if u need some information from him that U can have better from me. I said you are right, in fact I am here to have some information. Then he start speaking he said he became Ahmadi in 1930 and both his father and mother are non ahmadis.

Referring to the failed prophesy of Mirza upon his mother, father and maternal grand father, I asked him as to why he became Ahmadi, when the living evidence of lies of Mirza Qadiani is present at your home, to which he could not reply convincingly. However, he said it is like Pheri walla ( a mobile shopkeeper in the village), comes to sell his goods and raises his voice whomsoever like to purchase goods of his choice does so. Similarly Mirza sahib Qadiani came he raised a voice that he was Mujaddid Masih and Mahdi of 14th century , this voice appealed to him and he accepted it. Then Mirza Ishaq said ok make me a muslim if you can. Then the talk continued on the claims of Mirza Qadiani in a friendly manners like Mirza writing the months of Safar as the fourth month and Mirza,s claim that his son talked to him in the womb of mother.

Then I enquired him of the health of his mother , he said she has grown older, uses power glasses and listens to louder voice. Few days ago she had a fall injuring her face. Finding him a little softened, I said Mirza Sahib your mother is like my mother and I want to make Ziarah of her and to meet her personally.

He immediately declined to this request saying he has not even allowed an Ahmadi to see her. However, my constant flattery and requests made him change the decision and he said let me get the other ladies of house take aside. After a while he called us inside.

We entered the house to find Muhammadi Begum sitting on a large Palang (a desi bed). We sat on cain wood seats placed around. Respected lady would be at her 90s. Wrinkled face, with spectacle of thick powered glasses a wound mark on a side of face was visible. She had a graceful personality. Her son Mirza Ishaq coming close to her ear said “BAY BAY AEH GHAIR AHMADI MOLVI TUHADI ZIARAT WASTE AYE NE meaning mom these Non Ahmadi Molvis have come to see you. She got happy to listen to this and asked “GHAIR AHMADI NE” R they non Ahmadis ? He replied yes non Ahmadis, She smiled and said ok. I had certain questions to ask from her which could not be asked for many reasons. After sometime we requested her to pray for us which was communicated by Mirza Ishaq to her. She raised her arm to place her hand on our heads and prayed for us. Subsequently, we sought permission to depart Mirza Ishaq Again took his mouth near her ear and said BAY BAY ayh ijazat mang de ne. After few moments She replied IJAZAT HAI. We, then said salam and left the house. “

After that Molana wrote to her four sons in Lahore, requesting them not to allow Qadianis to take their mother to Rabwah. Molana received a reply from her son in law Said Muhammad Baig from Khanqah Dogran one letter from four Muslim sons of Muhammadi Begum duly signed by all four. which are as under:-

Letter from Said Muhammad Baig son in law of MB.

Mohtaram Janab Principal Sahib. Assalamo alaikum.

Your letter addressed to Akhtar Sultan reached to my son who was proceeding on leave to village. Since I have read your letter, it is my duty to reply to you to clarify the situation. This humble self states on oath that he is the son in law of late Sultan Muhammad and Muhammadi Begum and is a close relative to them. They have two daughters out of which one has been married to me. The other one was married to the nephew of Mirza Sultan Muhammad. Both Muhammadi Begum and Mirza Sultan Muhammad belonged to Ahlussannah wal jamaat. Mirzai party did their best to get Mirza Sultan sahib and Muhammadi Begum Sahibah to get to their side but could not succeed. Please do visit us my village Khanqah Dogran sharif lies on Sargodha Lahore road. My mother in law is seriously ill nowadays.Her four sons are in govt service at Lahore. One Mirza Ishaq has accepted Mirzaiyyat due to greed and he is also married in a mirzai family. Rest four namely Muhammad Asif Baig, Muhammad Ashraf Baig,Akbar Baig, and Akhtar Sultan are muslims of Ahlussannah waljamaat. They are in Govt service and reside in Choburji Quarter No.11A. You can meet them at 3 o clock at evening.
Wel wisher
Said Muhammad Baig.

Letter from four sons of MB.

Respected Manzoor Ahmad Chinioti Sahib.
Assalamo alaikum.
Your misaddressed letter finally reached to us. We would like to confirm here on oath that our mother Mohtarma Muhammadi Begum Sahiba is a muslim by the grace of Allah and believes in his holy prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihe wasallam to be the last of the prophets. She is steadfast on the Muhammadan religion and will continue to believe so for ever inshaAllah. She belongs to the ahlussunnah waljamaat school of thought. She has nothing to do with Mirzaiyyat. We pray that Allah swt keep her on this right path. Please join us in our prayers. WASSALAM.
Muhammad Asif Baig, Muhammad Ashraf Baig,Akbar Baig, Akhtar Sultan.
Note. This letter is in response to your letter and may not be published without permission, we are retaining a copy with us.

Subsequently Molana Mazoor Ahmad sahib met with Akhtar Sultan who was a Section Officer and lived at Govt Quarters Chowburji, Lahore.

Muhammadi Begum died on 19 November, 1966, at Lahore, her funeral prayer was led by Molana Shahabuddin of Chowburji who was a disciple of Shaikhul Hind Molana Mahmoodul Hasan. She was buried in Qabrustan Miyani Sahib Lahore.

The scans





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An ahmadi, Amir Aziz and Eric Lounsbery debate, Ahmadiyya vs. Christianity

Intro
This is an interesting debate.

The video

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad accused Maryam of meeting with Joseph before her marriage with him

Intro
MGA insulted many holy people in Islam, Christianity and Judaism, he stole hindu arguments and passed them off as his own.  We thought we had covered it thoroughly, however, everyday we find new data.  Recently, we found a reference from MGA’s book “Ayyamus-Sulah”, in english as “The Age of Peace”, it was published in 1898, in Urdu (see Hidden treasures, page 239).  This book dealt mostly with the issues of the plague, which was running rampant in India in those days, however, MGA also insulted Maryam, the mother of Esa (as).

The original scan and translation from roohani khazyian 14 -page 300 (ayam alsulah)

Some quotes from Ayyamus-Sulah
1—-“””It is through the prayer that one should seek the path of tadbir. Therefore, the Prayer and tadbir are two facets of the human endeavour and intellect. It is therefore necessary that man should seek the path of tadbir through prayer.””” (Ayyamus-Sulah, p. 3, Ruhani
Khaza’in vol. 14, p. 231)

2—-“””…I saw in a dream that God’s angels were planting black trees in different parts of the Punjab. Those trees were very ugly, black in colour, terrifying and of small size. I asked some of those who were planting them: What kind of trees are these? They answered: These are trees of the plague which is about to spread in the country. It remained unclear to me whether it was said that the plague would spread during the coming winter or the winter after, but it was a terrible sight which I saw.””” (Ayyamus-Sulah, p. 121, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 4, p. 361)

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Mirza Bashir Ahmad va. Muhammad Ali (1940-41) on the topic of Funeral prayers for non-Ahmadi Muslims

Intro
The Lahori-Ahmadi’s had a long running rivalry with their Qadiani-Ahmadi’s.  You can read lots of it on the internet.  However, today, we bring you an incident from 1940-1941 wherein the topic of funeral prayers for non-Ahmadi’s-Muslims was discussed between the 2 factions.

1941
Muhammad Ali writes, Qadianio ko Saalis Bun-nay kee Daawut”.  Muhammad Ali challenged any Qadiani-Ahmadi on this issue addressed to Qadiani Jamaat members. He asked if any single one of them could testify that:

“””‘In the time of the Promised Messiah and the time of Hazrat Maulana Nur-ud-Din, that is before 1914, saying funeral prayers for non-Ahmadis was considered to be prohibited as it is now, and no Ahmadi community ever held the funeral prayers of a non-Ahmadi.’”””

Mirza Bashir Ahmad responded

A few months later in 1941, Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote a book in reply which was more than 200 pages long, entitled Mas`ala Janaza ki Haqiqat. The standpoint in this book was that when the Promised Messiah wrote that janaza prayers of non-Ahmadis were allowed, he put such conditions on it that such a non-Ahmadi would in effect have to be an Ahmadi!

Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote about these conciliatory statements of the Promised Messiah that: “The Promised Messiah gave people a bitter pill to swallow which he coated with sugar, but Hazrat Khalifat-ul-Masih 2 has given them the pill directly without sugar coating.”

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