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Nusrat Jehan Begum and other women didn’t get into to MGA’s bait in 1889 and after–were they illiterate?

Intro
It seems that women weren’t allowed to take MGA’s bait?  Either that or they were illiterate and unable to sign their names on a paper.  Its most likely both, in 1889, no women took MGA’s bait.  In 1896, MGA published a list of 313 sahabis, some men are listed as with wife, for example, Noorudin is listed (with wife), and thus moves the number to 314, and that upsets what MGA and his team were working on, i.e. a parallel to the amount of Muslims that Muhammad (saw) had early on, if they would have added the women, the number would have swelled to 400+.  Further Nusrat Jehan says that since she was with MGA, i.e. married to him, she was always in his bait.

In the below, we present a reference from Seeratul Mahdi, wherein Nusrat Jehan Begum admits that she never came under MGA’s bait, nor did any other women it seems.  We are not sure when the Ahmadiyya Khalifa’s began accepting bait from women.

The quote
qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_1.pdf
pdf page 22 of 296
Narration no. 20

“My mother narrated to me that mgaq took his first bai’t (oath of allegience) at Ludhiana. First day 40 men took bai’t and when He came back some women took bai’t. First of all Molvi Noordin took bait. Humble one asked WHEN DID YOU TAKE BAI’T? MOTHER SAID, IT IS KNOWN THAT I DELAYED MY BAI’T AND TOOK IT AFTER MANY YERAS. THIS IS WRONG….RATHER I NEVER SEPARATED FROM HIM (mgaq) AND ALWAYS STAYED WITH HIM AND RIGHT FROM THE START, I CONSIDERED MYSELF IN THE BAI’T AND NEVER FELT THE NEED FOR SEPARATE BAIT”

Links and Related Essays

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/17/ahmadiyya-leadership-lied-about-the-first-bait-ceremony-in-1889/

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Did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claim to be the Messiah in 1889 or in 1891?”


Intro

Ahmadiyya leadership is fond editing the writings of MGA.  My team and I have found a interesting situation wherein it seems that MGA made his claims in 1889.

Friedman quotes the Ishaat us Sunnah of 1889 and 1890 vs. MGA
On page 6, of the 2003 edition, in a footnote, Friedman quotes as follows:

“Isha’at al-Sunnah 12 (1889): 353-388; 13(1890): 1-100, under the titles, “A Discourse with the imaginary Messiah Mirza of Qadiyan”  (Khayali masih Mirza Qadiyani se guft o gu) and “A discourse with the fictitious apostle” (farazi hawari se guft o gu).  An account of the debate itself was published in the same journal, 13(1890): 115–326.”

Why is this strange?
Ahmadiyya leadership tells us that MGA claimed to be the Messiah in 1891, however, this data seems to disprove that.  Furthermore, the ROR of June 1908, which was in memorial to MGA, tells us that MGA found fault with the physical ascension and descent narrative in Islam in 1889, after he accepted Bait (see page 228).

Some additional data
Remember, MGA was claiming to be “like the messiah” in this era.  The Maseel e Maseeh claim.

The PDF file of Ishaat us Sunnah
FB Masih Maoud Claim

What’s in this PDF?
Ishaat Sunna No 12 (december) vol 12, printed in 1889, a discourse with the fictitious apostle, also i have uploaded related pages from Fateh Islam, which were mentioned in Ishaat Sunna, so at least Urdu readers can read the letters exchanged between Mohammad Hussain batalwi and Mirza Ghulam ahmad of qadian. Reading all that i am convinced that Mirza ghulam claimed the title of Masih Maoud in 1889. I have also circled the printing of first edition fateh Islam as 1308 Hijri. Please see the letter in Ashaat sunna where MGA says “yes” to batalwi query.

Another piece of evidence that proves that Izala Auham was published at least before Feb 10th, 1891
In “Life of Ahmad” by Dard, Dard quotes (247-248) a letter between MGA and Batalvi wherein Batalvi claims to have already read Izala Auham.

‘””Copies of the letters which have passed between myself and Mirza Sahib have been sent to you so that you may have a say in the matter if you are so inclined. I am determined
to refute the claim of Mirza Sahib. You always talk about him with others, but when I said something to you about Mirza Sahib you were displeased. If it is the same with you still, then
I have nothing to suggest; but if you have the courage of hearing and saying anything about
him, then it would be better if you could come to Lahore and have a talk. Taudih-e-Maram and
Izala’-e-Auham cannot prove his claim. (The writer of this letter had not yet seen Fath-e- Islam and Taudih-e-Maram; Izala’-e-Auham had not even been published yet—Author). If you can do something, you should, there is time yet.’”””

Links and Related Essays

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/14/mga-confuses-all-of-his-readers-in-1891-as-he-claimed-to-be-the-promised-messiah/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/06/nusrat-jehan-begum-and-other-women-didnt-get-into-to-mgas-bait-in-1889-and-after-were-they-illiterate/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/17/ahmadiyya-leadership-lied-about-the-first-bait-ceremony-in-1889/

http://www.aaiil.org/text/articles/reviewofreligions/raw/reviewreligionsenglish1908.pdf

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Ahmadiyya leadership lied about the First Bait ceremony in 1889

Intro
Ahmadiyya mullahs have been lying on behalf of the Mirza family for over 100 years.  In this specific case, they themselves cant figure out the exact date for the first ever Bait ceremony in 1889.  The reference is to the Muslim Herald magazine, which was an Ahmadiyya magazine. Its from Aug–1971.  Obviously, Ahmadis made many errors in their writings, and then attempted a clean up for the next 50 years.  And they continue to do so…Ahmadis engage in cleanup work all over social media as they defend the Mirza family and live their lives simply for the betterment of the Mirza family.

First-Initiation   —–Muslim Herald Magazine 1971

Some interesting points to note
1.  MGA had a toilet attendant by the name of Shaikh Hamid Ali (see page 9).  It seems that Sanoori was also there and MGA had a few toilet attendants in those days.

2. Seeratul-Mahdi, the 1st edition, was published on Dec 10th-1923, the second edition was published on November 14th, 1935.

3.  Maulvi Abdul Karim Sialkoti took MGA’s bait in 1889 (se page 13), later Ahmadiyya records lied about this (mirza bashir ahmad lied), most likely because Maulvi Abdul Karim Sialkoti was a ghost writer and speech giver, in place of MGA, or on MGA’s behalf.  Ahmadiyya leadership seems to have tried to cover up this fact.  (see page 13 of the Muslim herald–1971)

Some additional scans

Links and Related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/06/nusrat-jehan-begum-and-other-women-didnt-get-into-to-mgas-bait-in-1889-and-after-were-they-illiterate/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/17/ahmadiyya-leadership-lied-about-the-first-bait-ceremony-in-1889/

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Who is Maulvi Sher Ali? (1875-1947)

Intro
Maulvi Sher Ali was another fanatical Ahmadi who worked directly for MGA and his family.  It seems that MGA mentioned him in 1890 in his book Izala Auham (however, Maulvi Sher Ali’s own writings contradict this).  Per Ahmadiyya sources, he was born on 11-13-1875 and was thus barely 14-15 years old by 1890 (See Dard, page 550).  In fact, Maulvi Sher Ali’s uncle,  Ch. Sher Muhammad, was an Ahmadi and was in MGA’s team of writers during his 1891 debate in Delhi (see Dard page 292).

Maulvi Sher Ali was not listed in the first 313 companions list of 1896 (See Dard, pages 844-853), however, he was mentioned as someone who donated towards the building of Minaratul Masih (see Dard, page 856).  In 1897, Sher Ali accepted MGA’s bait, just a day before Lekh Ram died (See ROR of 1990, page 4).  Sher Ali was present with MGA at the case of Dr. Clark vs. MGA.  In 1899, MGA told the world that Maulvi Sher Ali was living at Qadian and giving good service ((Advertisement 10 October 1899, Majmooa Ishtiharaat Vol.2 p.153).   By 1901, and even without a proper education, at roughly 26 years old, MGA made him the top headmaster at the Talim ul Islam High School in Qadian.  He began writing essays in the english ROR also, he was working closely with Muhammad Ali.  He remained headmaster of the school until 1903.  He seems to have been idle for 6 years.  From 1903 to 1907, the Talim ul Islam High School was converted into a College, however, they were barely using any facility.  The University Act of 1907 totally shut down the college, it wouldn’t open again until 1948 and in Pakistan.  By 1909, he became assistant editor of the English-ROR and stepped in anytime Muhammad Ali was busy working on his full english commentary of the Quran, and the British government built the biggest building in the history of Qadian which costed 25,000 rupees, this building was so big it began to house students and etc.  During 1913, Noorudin had decided to send Maulvi Sher Ali to London to help Khwaja Kamaluddin build up the Ahmadiyya mission there, however, the new Khalifa cancelled this order as soon as he came to office (see page 6).

In 1914, he sided with the family of MGA and remained in Qadian and thus became the sole editor of the ROR, until others came to help and eventually took over the job from him.  He helped Mirza Bashir Ahmad on collecting data for the famous Seeratul Mahdi and even told how MGA would have his arabic revelations sent to Noorudin and Ahsan Amrohi to check for errors.

He died in Lahore on November 13th, 1947, just a few months after he moved from Qadian and was living in temporary quarters.  He was buried in Lahore but was eventually moved to Rabwah.  His daughter got married to one of the sons of Noorudin (Abdul Mannan) and was ex-communicated 8-years after Maulvi Sher Ali’s death (1955).  He seems to have also written a translation of the Quran which seems to have been published after his death (1955 from Holland), why wasn’t this published in his lifetime, it’s unknown. In 2004, Ahmadiyya INC re-wrote this translation and re-published it in 2004, the original is thus totally missing.

May–1903, English-ROR

PDF 40/47 http://www.aaiil.org/text/articles/reviewofreligions/1903/reviewreligionsenglish190305.pdf

“””“The fact that he is known as a Prophet or Nabi refutes the idea that he was a Muhamadan Saint. No intelligent man would think that a person who was reputed as a prophet among the Muhammadans was a Muhammadan saint. Even if a Muhammadan saint worked miracles, they would take him as a Wali at best, and never a prophet. They believe that their HP is the seal of the prophets and that he is not to be followed by any other prophet…….and one who takes him as a muhammadan saint only, betrays his complete ignorance of the beliefs prevailing among the muhammadans””””

“…..we do not know of any prophet who appeared in Kashmir in the last 200 years”

May–1907–English-ROR
Maulvi Sher Ali writes an essay about the plague prophecy, he admits that even houses adjacent to MGA’s have had people die of plague, he also calls MGA as the “Messenger of the Latter Days”.

May–1908–English-ROR
Maulvi Sher Ali writes an essay series on the Mahdi and the Ahmadiyya viewpoint, this extends to several issues.  This specific essay was re-produced in the ROR of 1987.

A story from 1909
Dr Muhammad Abdullah from Qila Subasingh testifies:

“””During the time of Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih I, Hadhrat Maulwi Sher Ali Sahib(ra) worked as the editor of the Review of Religions. Once two English persons came to Qadian and passed along the northern part of Hadhrat Nawab Muhammad Ali’s residence where at that time Hadhrat Maulwi Sher Ali Sahib(ra) was feeding his water buffalo. His collar was open and he was attired in simple clothes. One of the English officersrequested Maulwi Sahib that they wanted to meet the Editor of the Review of Religions and asked where they could meet him. Maulwi Sahib volunteered to accompany them to his house and brought them to his own house and seating them in his sitting room said that he would call the Editor.

Maulwi Sahib wanted to prepare tea and get better acquainted with his visitors but they insisted that he should take them there so that they could meet him in person perhaps en route. Upon this, Hadhrat Maulwi Sher Ali Sahib said, “I am the Editor of the Review’”.

The two English officers were utterly dumbfounded and in their reflex admitted, ‘We thought that the Editor of this magazine was some Englishman.’ (Sirat Hadhrat Maulana Sher Ali Sahib(ra) pp 189-190 by Malik Nazir Ahmad Riaz, missionary).

ROR–1930
He writes an essay on the importance of fasting.

ROR–1990
Maulvi Sher Ali claims that he came to Qadian in 1897, a day before Lekh Ram was murdered, thus contradicting Dard and other Ahmadiyya sources that claim that he was already in Qadian by 1889-1890.

Link and Related Essays

http://aaiil.org/uk/newsletters/2010/thelightuk201006.pdf

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR200211.pdf

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/265/muslim-fasting/

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR190707.pdf#page=19

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR199007.pdf#page=5

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR198707.pdf#page=28

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/24/amatul-hayee-or-amtul-hai-the-daughter-of-nooruddin-and-the-wife-of-the-2nd-khalifa-mirza-basheer-uddin-mahmud-ahmad-and-her-mysterious-death/

http://www.aaiil.org/text/articles/reviewofreligions/1903/reviewreligionsenglish190305.pdf

https://www.alislam.org/v/6100.html

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/25/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-vs-molana-muhammad-hussain-batalvi-and-muslims-leaders-in-british-india-in-august-of-1891/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Clark

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/30/ahmadi-teachers-at-the-talim-ul-islam-high-school-were-corrupt-they-would-pass-mirza-basheer-uddin-mahmud-ahmad-even-when-he-failed/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/06/30/the-british-govt-donated-25000-rupees-for-the-talim-ul-islam-high-school-in-qadian-in-1909/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/04/the-sons-of-noorudin-were-expelled-from-ahmadiyya-in-1956/

https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=-8&region=E2

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Who is Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi? 1840-1920

Intro
Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi (1840-1920) was a contemporary of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in the Punjab.  They were both born during the the last 8-9 years of Sikh rule and were under the Ramgharia Misl, which was annexed into the greater Sikh Empire in roughly 1816 by Ranjit Singh.  They were both educated by the same teachers as British rule began in roughly 1850.  Their parents also knew each other, when MGA’s family went to Batala, they always stayed at the ancestoral home of Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi.  They were both Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims aka Wahabis.  In 1878 Batalvi started the Ishaat us Sunnah magazine and gave MGA space to market his new book-series, the Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya.  In 1881, Batalvi gave MGA an exhaustive review and supported MGA’s work via the Ahl-e-Hadith.  In 1884, when MGA wanted to get married, Batalvi had a list of young girls with him and shared it with MGA, this is how they found out about the daughter of Mir Nasir Nawab.  The Ahl-e-Hadith grew weary of MGA in late 1884 and some even called MGA a Kafir, since MGA was boasting about divine revelations in his book series (the Braheen), neverthless, Batalvi stuck up for MGA yet again.  By 1889 they became enemies, since MGA claimed to be the second coming of Esa (as).  They organized debates with each other and jousted from their magazines until 1899, when the British government stepped in and absolved MGA and forced Batalvi to never insult MGA ever again (by calling him kafir or otherwise).  His disputes with Ahmadiyya seem to have ended here.  However, he did have a famous debate with a Quranist in 1902 and his sons were found at Qadian in 1910, later on they recanted and left Ahmadiyya.

The 1850’s
MGA and Batalvi used some of the same teachers and were classmates at many times, most likely in Batala.

1860–1869
Batalvi studied Hadith, logic and grammar from Molvi Syed Nazeer Husain (1805-1901).  The same Maulvi that read MGA’s nikkah in 1884.

1869
After his mother died, and MGA completed his punishment, MGA returned to Qadian from Sialkot.  MGA abruptly visits Batala and almost has a debate with Batalvi, however, MGA comments that he agrees with everything Batalvi is saying (see BA4, pages 399-400).  Batalvi  had finished his studies on islam and as now an imam-proper.  This entire scenario happened in a mosque in Batala (see Dard, page 54).

1878
He starts his newspaper, Ishaat us Sunnah, which runs until 1900 and then goes missing.  It seems to have been replaced with a new newspaper, the “Ahl-i-Hadis”.  Which was edited by Maulvi Sanaullah.

1882
MGA mentions batalvi in BA3, on page 7 of the online english edition.  They seem to be very good friends.  MGA claims that Batalvi works as a secretary of the Anjuman-i-Hamdardi Islamia, Lahore.  Which is most likely the Anjuman Himayat-i Islam.  Maybe out of respect, MGA wrote it the way he did.

1884-MGA mentioned Batalvi in BA4
On pages 399-400, MGA remembers his debate with Batalvi that never happened.

1884 
Batalvi gives MGA’s Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya series a glowing review, however, after the 4th volume is published, the Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims call MGA a Kafir.  Batalvi sticks up for MGA in this era and claims that MGA is not claiming prophethood, only divine revelations.

1887
The magazine became quite popular and was recognized by notable scholars and Government Officials. When Sir Charles Umpherston Aitchison, Governor of the Punjab from 1882-1887, left the area in April 1887, he gave Muhammad Hussain, a certificate testifying to his ability and learning. Muhammad Hussain proudly records this fact (See ‘ Isha‘atus Sunnah’ Vol. 20, No. 3).

1888
MGA mentions Batalvi on page 20 of “The Green Announcement”.  They seem to still be friends up to this point.  MGA even refers to him an “eminent person”, we are not sure what the Urdu word is here for “eminent person”.

1889
Batalvi begins to question MGA and his claims of being the second coming of Esa (as).  This spills over into the early part of 1890.

1891
A full blown war breaks out between MGA and Batalvi.  They arrange to debate each other in Ludhiana, however, MGA requests the British government to intervene and save him.  This debate lasted for twelve days, from 20 July – 31 July 1891.  The venue was the ‘Masjid Awanan’ (Awana’s Mosque) at Ludhiana.  This was a written debate, wherein someone other then MGA read out MGA’s (alleged) writings.  The written papers of both sides were later published by MGA as Al-Haq Mubahathah Ludhiana (Urdu). [i.e. Truth: the Ludhiana Debate].  Batalvi goes around the Punjab and gets the majority of the Ulema to pass a Fatwa of Kufr on MGA.

1892
MGA mentions Batalvi extensively in his book, ‘Nishan Asmani’ in english as “Heavenly Signs”.

March 17th, 1892
On roughly March 17th, 1891, MGA predicts that Batalvi would die in 40 days time or would suffer a major tragedy.  It expires on April 27th and Batalvi is fine, Batalvi then writes about it in his newspaper, this prediction isn’t published by MGA until 1893, in a book called, Aina Kamalat e Islam at page 601-604.

May 4th, 1893
MGA publishes a prophecy about Batalvi, that would he repent and stop calling MGA a Kafir and etc (see page 39).  Ahmadi’s claim that this was fulfilled when the British Government ordered him to never call MGA or Ahmadi’s as Kafirs ever again in 1899 and it was manifested in 1911-1913 era, when he was called to court to testify about Ahmadi’s.

Oct-Dec 1898
He claims that MGA broke the law and conducted a prophecy vs. himself.  Even though MGA is guilty, the British government absolves MGA.  MGA issues another prophecy against Batalvi, MGA claims that Batalvi will be disgraced by Feb 1900.

1902
Ahmadiyya sources tell us that In November of 1902 a debate took place between Muhammad
Hussain Batalavi and ‘Abdullah Chakrhalavi on the importance and position of the Holy Quran and the hadith.  Chakrhalavi was the founder of the Ahl-e-Quran sect of North India, he died in 1931.

1905
In Lecture Ludhiana, MGA mentions Batalvi, and even says that he visited Qadian often from roughly 1855–1889.  MGA also mentions the case of 1898 wherein Capt. Le Marchand saved MGA from going to jail.

1907
MGA and his team publish a dream of MGA wherein it seems that Batalvi will convert to Ahmadiyya. It seems that MGA was still hoping that Batalvi would eventually accept MGA as the Messiah (See 2009 Online edition of Tadhkirah, pages 949-950).

1910
2 of his children seem to have been taken to Qadian by Ahmadi’s and forcibly converted to Ahmadiyya.  Later on they recanted.  He also appears as a witness in some Ahmadiyya related cases.

1920
Batalvi dies.

1931
Ahmadi’s publish: “Batalvi Ka Anjam” by Mir Qasim Ali.

1937
The son of Batalvi writes a book about MGA called “The useless Prophet”.

2019
Via twitter, Ahmadi’s share info that some of the great grandsons of Batalvi have become Ahmadi.

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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Conclusive-Argument-Islam.pdf

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/01/13/what-is-raz-e-haqiqat-in-english-as-a-hidden-truth/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya-Part-4.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molvi_Muhammad_Hussain_Batalvi

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/12/09/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-accused-of-claiming-prophethood-in-the-1879-1884-era/

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/12/10/the-fatwa-e-kufr-vs-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-1891/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/12/01/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-vs-batalvi-1891-1892-era-mga-sent-10-lanats-on-batalvi/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/30/out-of-fear-from-ahmadis-and-mgas-fake-prophecies-batalvi-registered-to-buy-a-gun-1898-1899-but-was-denied/

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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/ReviewBatalaviChakrhalavi.pdf

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/The-Green-Announcement.pdf

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Maulvi Muhammad Husain was a witness against MGA in the famous case of Dr. Clarke vs. MGA (1897)

Intro
By 1899, the British government had legally stopped Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi from commenting or responding to MGA.  From 1889 to 1899, he vehemently opposed MGA, who was an old class mate of his and family friend.  Like most Indians, he was denied a chair in court, whereas MGA was always given a chair, this was the level of racism in British-India.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 182-183.

Maulvi Muhammad Husain, prosecution witness on solemn affirmation 13th August 1897
Son of Rahim Bakhsh, caste Shaikh, resident of Batala, age 56 years.

Stated: I have known Mirza sahib for a long time. He has made many prophecies, twenty to twenty-five prophecies. The writing at the end of page 44 of Anjam-e-Atham, that God would root out falsehood means that falsehood would perish. I do not construe from this writing
that there is some special personal enmity of Mirza sahib with Mr. Clarke. The debate is religious. I do not agree with Mirza sahib on religious matters. In this connection he has sown discord among the Muslims and Christians etc., so that they are going after each other’s blood. This is the result of his teaching. He is a trouble-maker. I am aware of the religious feelings of the Muslims. If Mr. Clarke dies, Mirza sahib will be greatly honoured among his followers and it will prove his complicity. Abdullah Atham died after the [appointed] period, while Mirza sahib has written in Anjam-e-Atham that he died according to his prophecy. I, the deponent, met Mr. Clarke in 1895.  Never met him again afterwards. In fact I have a grievance against him and feel sorry that I had met him for a special purpose but he did not show sympathy. He has never met my brother. I have written an 80 page book about the murder of Lekhram. The gist of it is that on Mirza sahib lies the responsibility of giving information about the murder of Lekhram. For, according to him, God gives him information about everything; why does He not tell the whereabouts of the murderer? With the exception of the prophecy on page 44, marked ‘F’, Mirza sahib has not made any prophecy about Mr. Clarke. Question: I belong to the Ahl-e-Hadith who used to be erroneously called Wahhabi earlier. (Are the Muslims of other schools of thought, i.e.
Hanafi, Shia, etc., against the Ahl-e-Hadith? The court did not allow this question.) My meaning of “after each other’s blood” is that the people who are against Mirza sahib should be butchered by his followers, i.e. considered fit to be butchered. This is his teaching.

The witness presented page 601 of the book A’ina Kamalat Islam and stated: On page 600 the question marked with the letter ‘S’ has been written by me and the answer at letter ‘R’ is from Mirza sahib. I had written the review on Barahin Ahmadiyya, page 176 to 188 at letter ‘T’. At that time the affairs of Mirza sahib were favourable and I had written accordingly. I had written that Mirza sahib’s father had helped during the mutiny. In the book Isha‘at-us-Sunnah, volume 13 at letter ‘U’, I had given the judgment of unbelief [fatwa kufr] about Mirza sahib. I do not consider Mirza sahib a Muslim. He is an atheist. Maulvi Ghulam Qadir Hanafi does not call me a trouble-maker nor does he call the Ahl-e-Hadith as unbelievers. There are disputes among the people due to our writings and teachings also, but not of the type that would lead to blood-shedding. There have been court cases also. I have written an article in support of and in sympathy with the Sultan of Turkey. Mirza sahib has written against the Sultan of Turkey.

(At this stage, we reproduce below the note given by the court in English.) “I consider sufficient evidence has been recorded regarding the hostility of the witness to the Mirza and there is no necessity to stray further from the main lines of the case.”

Remaining statement of the witness:
Whatever I have said about the murder of Lekhram, that the murder has been committed by the conspiracy of Mirza sahib, has been deduced from the writings of Mirza sahib himself. (Said again) Mirza sahib is responsible for this murder. I do not call him a murderer. Nor is there a conspiracy. He is responsible from his own writings to point out [the murderer]. The number of followers of Mirza sahib, according to a list, is about 313 or close to it.

Question: Excepting these followers, are the other Muslims in India against Mirza sahib? (The court did not allow this question.) I saw Abdul Hameed on 8th or 9th August 1897. A Christian was taking him along with himself. At Batala I did not go to the residence of Dr. Clarke. Prophecy or no prophecy, Mirza sahib will derive benefit from the death of Mr. Clarke. My death will also bring benefit to Mirza sahib. I am very much against Christianity.

Written by the hand of Muhammad Hussain.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad insulted the God of Hindus, Premashar

Intro
Ahmadi’s are the most disrespectful people on the Earth, when we point this out, they call it hate speech and cry persecution.  They have been doing this since 1889, they were given special treatment by the colonist (the british) and continue along the same tradition.  However, if MGA followed the Quran, he would have remained silent.

A quick summary of these scans
MGA used dirty Words for the God of Hindus (premashar), and calling it ” to live ten fingers down the belly point” and then “Premasher is in habit to enters into the womb of a woman to give birth” and then “premasher a reason of ling poojah “i.e worshipping of penis by hindus”.  He also called premasher to give birth of a child to ariyan woman , and joked about Nayoug (males offering their wives to another men for having sex with them for the child) and suggested premasher as an option for nayoug, he also joked about Hindus by calling them cowards to not to enter into army .

All three scans attached 
roohani khazyian 23- page 121 chashma marfat
roohani khazyian 23- page 114 chashma marfat
roohani khazyian 23- page 149 chashma marfat

The scans

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Out of fear from Ahmadi’s and MGA’s fake prophecies, Batalvi registered to buy a gun (1898-1899), but was denied

Intro
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was really close friends with Batalvi going back to his childhood days, in fact, they even shared some of the same teachers.  However, MGA began praying for people to die as early as 1880, nevertheless, by 1884 he was at odds with the ulema of India in terms of his claim of getting divine revelation.  By 1889, MGA had turned on Muslims as he claimed that Esa (As) was dead and never returning and indicating that he (MGA) was an Esa (as) and others could also come.  By 1893, he was telling the world that Lekh Ram would die violently, he was thus murdered in Lahore and was still alive until he got to the Mayo Hospital in Lahore and the Ahmadi doctor who just so happened to be on duty let him die (March 6th,1897).  Athim was also given many death threats and eventually died of old age, which MGA argued fulfilled his prophecy.  MGA beat the case, the same way he beat all of his cases, with the help of the British government.  Kashful Ghita was published by the Ahmadiyya jamaat in 1898 in english.  In this book MGA denied that he was publishing a death prophecy, he fell back and said it was just a prayer.  Furthermore, he denied ever having a dream/ilham which indicated the end of the British Government within 8 years, however, by 1929, many Ahmadi’s came forward and admitted that MGA did in-fact have this dream/ilham, thus proving that MGA lied in his book.  The British courts dropped the case vs. MGA and forced him and Batlalvi to sign a 6 clause declaration, wherein both of them agreed to stop insulting each other in the press and to stop doing death prophecies aka Mubahila’s.  Thus, the British government ordered MGA to stop his silly death prophecies again.  This was because of the help that MGA’s father gave the British in 1857, hence, MGA was above the law in British India. Even when MGA was totally guilty of breaking the law, the Brits pardoned him.  MGA had some insults written about Batalvi in his newspaper also (the al-Hakam, however, in court MGA denied any connections to that newspaper).  Batalvi never engaged MGA ever again.

Oct-November of 1898
Some Muslims of India ask Batalvi to officially engage MGA in a Mubahila (see Dard page, 604–608).  On November 10th, 1898, Muhammad Baksh of Lahore (manager of the Ja‘far Zatalli, Tajul Hind Press), along with a colleague of his, Abul Hasan Tibbati, published a reply to the Ahmadi’s of Patiala, Simla, Allahabad, Batala, Amritsar, Lahore, Bhera, Sialkot and to MGA.

October 1898
MGA’s house is raided and searched by Inspector Rana Jalal-ud-Din Khan, who had arrived in
Qadian under the command of the Superintendent of Police and surrounded MGA’s house. The Superintendent and the Inspector then climbed up to the roof of the mosque much to the consternation of Maulana Abdul Karim Sialkoti who was present on the roof and witnessed
this police action (see Mujadid e Azim, abridged english version).

MGA responds to the question of Mubahila with Batalvi
November 21st, 1898

“”””If I am, really a liar and an impostor as Muhammad Husain and his friends declare me
to be, then let me be disgraced. But if it is not so, O God, then bring disgrace upon them as
they have tried to bring disgrace upon me. Let them be disgraced within the next 13 months—
December 15th, 1898, to January 15th, 1900.””” (see Dard, page 605)Dard claims that MGA published an announcement, however, we haven’t found it as of yet.

MGA’s death prophecy vs. Batalvi is now official
MGA and Ahmadi’s were now praying that some disgrace happen to Batlavi in the in next 13 months.  This was against the order that MGA had just signed with the British government, Via Judge Captain Douglas wherein he promised to stop making “death prophecies” and “disgrace predictions”.

November 30th, 1898
On November 30th, 1898, MGA issued another leaflet in which he instructed his followers to observe patience under every kind of provocation. They should purify their hearts and stick to their ways of humility, meekness and love. They should persevere in prayer and wait for the judgement of God promised in his leaflet dated November 21st, 1898.

Breach of peace by MGA on December 1st, 1898?
There was an apprehension of a breach of the peace and that therefore MGA and Maulawi Muhammad Husain should both be bound over to keep the peace under section 107, Cr. P. C. Muhammad Husain, he said, had bought a sharp dagger made at Bhera which he showed as his weapon of self-defense. The Gurdaspur police endorsed the report and confirmed the allegation that MGA was violating the order of Capt. Douglas which prohibited him from making such prophecies.

Dec 5th,1898
On December 5, 1898, Batalvi applied for an arms licence for a pistol on the plea that his life was in danger on account of the prophecy made by MGA, Batalvi argued that MGA was getting his death prophecies fulfilled by his fanatical followers, thus Batalvi’s life was in danger. The case was fixed for hearing against MGA on January 9, 1899.

MGA gets an official notice to appear in court on Jan 9th, 1899
MGA came to know about the case instituted against him between December 10 and 15, 1898 and this book was published on December 27, 1898, in which he assured the Government and acquainted them with the peaceful principles of his Jama‘at. In this book, he also drew the attention of the authorities to the abuse and vituperation to which he was being subjected by
Maulavi Muhammad Hussain Batalvi and his friends. In the defense statement filed with the District Magistrate of Gurdaspur on January 27, 1899 (see Hidden Treasures).

The Kashful-Ghita was thus published
Dard tells us that MGA and his team wrote as follows:

“”””To recapitulate, five charges have been brought against me in this case: (1) that I habitually make prophecies of death or injury to others, (2) that I have disregarded the terms of the notice signed by me in Dr. Clark’s case by publishing a prophecy on November 21, 1898, (3) that I pre-arrange the fulfilment of my prophecies or make secret attempts to fulfil them afterwards, (4) that my writings are harsh and provocative, and (5) that my prophecy of November 21, 1898, is likely to cause a breach of peace.

My reply to them is:

(1) that no such prophecy was ever been published without the consent of the person about whom it was made and that it is only after much persistence on his part that such a course had been adopted,

(2) that the notice in question contains no prohibition against making a prophecy,

(3) that this was only a suspicion, not having the slightest evidence in support of it, and that the good conduct of my followers, the high moral tone of my teachings and the absence of any such assertion on the part of those about whom the prophecies were made, are strong proofs to reject such a supposition completely,

(4) that my writings are not provocative in the least, and this becomes clear on comparison of the
writing of the two parties, and

(5) that the prophecy had been made and fulfilled without causing any breach of peace.”””” (Life of Ahmad by A.R. Dard, online edition of 2008, pp. 633-634).

However, MGA lied about his 8-year prophecy of demise about the British Government
In roughly 1895, MGA saw a dream that he interpreted to mean that the demise of the British government would happen in 8 years.

Jan 9th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
MGA reached the court compound at about 10 o’clock, and waited till noon. The lawyer engaged by Maulawi Muhammad Husain could not come that day and at his telegraphic request the hearing was postponed by Mr. J. M. Dowie to January 11th, 1899.  The attitude of the magistrate (Dowie) appeared to be stiff. In a note he asked the parties to show cause why they should not both be bound over for a period of 12 months and also furnish security of Rs. 1,000 each (see Dard).

Jan 11th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
The hearing began on the 11th at Gurdaspur. MGA was represented by Mr. W. Browne, Sh. Fadl
Din, Sh. Ali Ahmad and Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. Mr. Browne admitted that his client had issued the following: Ishtihar dated 1.11.1898 (b) Ishtihar dated 3.1.1899 (c) Ishtihar dated 6.1.1899 (d) Kashful Ghita (e) Ishtihar dated 7.1.1899. Maulawi Muhammad Husain admitted in court that he had published in his paper.

Batalvi’s comments in terms of MGA were discussed
1—-“”””That the Qadiani is a Dajjal of this time, a second Musailma, perfidious, deceiver, cheat,
liar and impostor, and that he is the enemy of the faith of Islam and all other heavenly faiths.””” (Vol. 16, No. 1, p. 6.).

2—“””Had we been under Muslim rule, we would have given you (Ahmadas) a proper reply. We
would have at once cut off your head with a sword and made you a dead body”””. (Vol. 18, No. 3, p. 95).

3—“””Otherwise He would send down the severest punishment upon you and drive you to
destruction””” (Vol. 15, No. 1, p. 15. See also Vol. 18, No. 7, p. 215).

4—-“””‘If you are a man and have any courage, then prove both your claims in an assembly of
learned men—you will not come into the field—I challenge you to a Mubahala. Come out into the field of Mubahala and take an oath”””. (Vol. 14, No. 12 p. 338).

5—-“””Have pity on the creatures of God and give up stratagems. Either accept Islam—or prove by means of a controversy or a Mubahala that these articles of faith which you profess do not
lead to Kufr.”””” (Vol. 18, No. 3, p. 77 See also Vol. 17, No, 12, p. 384; Vol. 18, No. 4, p. 132).

6—-“”””Having expressed many a time my readiness to have a Mubahala with him, I prevented his having recourse to a challenge for Mubahila. I showed the mischief contained in the conditions added by him to a Mubahila—when these machinations of his were broken and he was left helpless he devised another plan which he published in his Ishtihar of May 19th, 1897,
viz. both parties should pray to God without coming into the presence of each other. This
showed clearly that he was unable to have a Mubahila with me in my presence, and that
therefore no one should go to him in Qadian. I accepted this method also.””” (Vol. 18, No. 7, p.
197).

MGA’s comments in court at Gurdaspur
MGA stated in court that the prophecies about the Rev. Abdullah Athim and Pt. Lekhram had been made at their written request and with their consent.

Muhammad Bakhsh, who was a prosecution witness at Gurdaspur
He stated that he had been at Batala from 1893. In his opinion there was real danger to Muhammad Husain from MGA. Sayyid Bashir Husain, Police Inspector, also appeared in court and deposed that there was real danger to peace and that there had been strong suspicion against MGA in the matter of the murder of Pt. Lekhram. There was no suspicion against Muhammad Husain. The houses of MGA’s enemies were also searched when Pt. Lekhram was
murdered (See Dard).

January 13th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
MGA presented over 50+ witnesses to the court, however, the court complained that these were too many.

January 17th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
After asking MGA to reduce his amount of witnesses a second time.  The case continued.

January 27th, 1899 at Dhariwal

MGA presented the court with a 20-page letter in english (See Dard, 614-634).  MGA defended himself against all allegations.  Nevertheless, the case was extended.

Feb 3rd, 1899
MGA is sent a letter from the British courts that he might be forced to pay 1000 rupees as guarantee that he would keep the peace and thus not cause a “breach of peace”, which was against the law.

February 14th, 1899
MGA and his team wrote another letter begging to not have to pay the 1000 rupees and full of flattery.  (See Dard, pages 635-638).

February 24th, 1899
The Judge makes a final decision on the case, he forces MGA and Batalvi to sign a 6-clause declaration, wherein they will not be able to insult each other or make prophecies about each other (see Dard).  The case ends with this declaration.

The 6-clause declaration
(1) I will abstain from publishing any prophecy which implies or might reasonably be
considered to imply that any person will suffer disgrace or be an object of the Divine displeasure.

(2) I will abstain from publishing any appeal to God requesting that He will, by disgracing any person or by granting a sign that any person is an object of the Divine displeasure, show who is right and who wrong in any matter of religious controversy.

(3) I will abstain from publishing as an inspired message any statement which implies
or might reasonably be held to imply that any person will be disgraced or is an object of the
Divine displeasure.

(4) I will abstain from employing in any controversy with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or any
friend or follower of his any abusive epithet or injurious expression and from publishing any
writing or picture which might cause him pain. I promise not to use with reference to him or
any friend or follower of his such expressions as Dajjal, Kafir, Liar, Kadiani. (note: Kadiani
spelt with a means cheat. J. M. Dowie). I will publish nothing with refererce to his
private life and family relations which might reasonably cause him pain.

(5) I will abstain from challenging Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or any friend or follower of his
to resort to any appeal to God (Mubahala) for the purpose of showing who is right and who wrong in any controversy. I will not challenge him or any friend or follower of his to make
any prophecy with reference to any person.

(6) I will to the utmost of my power induce any persons over whom I have influence to act
on their part in the manner in which I have promised to act in clauses 1,2,3,4,5′.

A six clause declaration?

A reference to this case in Seeratul Mahdi

“””This case registered against him for maintenance of Public Law keeping Arms and Ammunition under section 107 of criminal procedure code. The court of Mr dowie Deputy Commissioner Gurdaspur exonerated hazrat sb being bailable offence on 24 february 1899. The case was filed on the application of Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi and on the report of in-charge Police station Batala on 1st December 1898. Detail published in Al-Hakam March 1899.”””

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Glaring errors in the translation of “Taudih-e-Maram” or “Elucidation of Objectives” (1890)

Intro
As we all know, when Ahmadi’s translate any book of MGA, they soften the translations and thus create ridiculous translations.  We recently saw one such issue in the newly translated “Haqiqatul Wahy” (1907).  We also know that they are always editing Tadhkirah and have destroyed most of its older editions.  The publish date of this book is unknown, in fact, this book was the second in a series of books that MGA and his team published in the 1889-1891 era.  We think it was written in early part of 1890 and many pieces of evidence to back up that assertion.  Nevertheless, in this book, MGA and his team wrote about Allah having arms and organs and etc in this book, this is very strange, we are still mulling over the words here and working on a response. This book was re-published in Urdu many times, most likely by the Lahori-Ahmadis in 1917 and 1946.  The Lahori-Ahmadi’s translated it into english in 1966 (see the first few pages).  You will notice the difference in the translation of the word “tendwa”.  In Hindi, “Tendwa” means Leopard.  The Lahori-Ahmadi’s translated this word as spiders web, whereas the Qadianis translated it as octopus.

Is Allah an octopus?  Or a Leopard?  Or a Spider’s web?
In the Qadiani-Ahmadi translation it is written (see pages 61 and 62) :

“”””In order to pictorially visualize the implications of the foregoing statement, let us imagine that the Supreme Sustainer of the universe is indeed the Supreme Being who has an infinite number of hands and feet; their number is uncountable, and their breadth and width limitless. Like an ‘octopus’, as it were, the Supreme Being has tentacles reaching out to all corners of the 
universe and functioning as its gravitational pull. Indeed, these are the self same organs also known as the universe. Whenever the Sustainer of the universe wills a movement in part or in full, these so called organs are also bound to move accordingly; indeed He carries out all His commands and intentions through these organs, without using any other means. “”””

In urdu, this word is “TENDWA”
Why did the Qadiani-Ahmadi’s translate “Tendwa” as octopus?  Tendwa means leopard in hindi, urdu doesn’t use this word.  Here’s a screenshot with the highlighted portion. I can’t figure out what he meant by ‘tendwe ki tarah is wujood-e-aazam ki taare’. I thought he may be alluding to countless spots on the surface of the leopard, so I looked up Farhang-e-Asifia dictionary to see if the word ‘taarein’ can be used to mean spots/stripes, as ‘taar’ leads itself to ‘tareek’ i.e. dark, but found no such reference.

Spider web?
The Lahori-Ahmadi’s translated this phrase (Tendwa) as a “Spiders web”.

The Lahori translation

See page 55

“””To illustrate the above description still further, the ever-living force of this universe can be imagined as a great being with many hands and feet; these limbs stretch to eternity and, like a spider’s web, this Great being stretched to all the limits of existence and forms the nucleus of the entire creation.”””

Links and related Essays

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/elucidation/Elucidation-of-Objectives.pdf

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/10/23/haqiqatul-wahi-1907-in-english-as-the-philosophy-of-divine-revelation-is-in-english-for-the-first-time-ever/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=edit

http://www.aaiil.org/text/books/mga/tauzeehmaraam/tauzeehmaraam.pdf

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