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Ahmadiyya founder Mirza Ghulam and his “Caliphs” call Christians “Isai” but cry tears and persecution if they are called “Mirzai” or “Qadiani”

Ahmadi’s cry persecution all the time, they do for asylum visas to the West.  We have covered this topic extensively.  Since the Beginning of the Ahmadiyya Sect, the Ahmadiyya founder Mirza Ghulam and his followers call Christians “Isai” becouse they follow Isa, which was supposedly Jesus’s Name.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad titled some of his books that way And they use “Isai” whenever they refer to christians. For Example:

“Eik ‘Isa’i Kei Tin Sawal Aur Unkei Jawaba = Three Questions by a Christian and their Answers “

“Siraj-ud-Din ‘Isa’i Kei Char Sawalon Ka Jawab = Four Questions by Mr. Sirājuddīn, a Christian, and their Answers ”

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ASLE MUSAFFA (Pure Honey) by Mureed Khuda Bakhsh Qadiani (1902), MGA was born in 1839-40

As we all know, Ahmadi’s are inconsistent about the birth of MGA.  They began this back-peddling in June of 1908, as soon as MGA died.  We have found some additional data to add to the growing pieces of data which prove that MGA was born in 1839-40.  In 1902, a follower (mureed) of MGA wrote a book entitled, “Asla Musaffa” in english as “Pure Honey”.  In this book he told the world that MGA was born in 1839 or 1840, he even read it out in-front of MGA.  The first edition of the book published in 1902 carried the year of birth as 1839-40 while the edition of 1913 was amended to make it 1836-39.  Furthermore, even Noorudin wrote a book that was published in 1904, and he also claimed that MGA was born in 1839-40.  The beginning of the changes happened in the ROR of July 1908 asserted that MGA’s correct year of birth was 1836 or 1837 (see page 235).  They finally landed on 1835 by the 1930′s.

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The first time a Qadiani-Ahmadi murdered a Muslim for criticizing Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1930)

Nowadays, on social media and other places, you will see Ahmadi’s claiming that they are peace-loving and etc, however, this is totally bogus, Ahmadi’s are just as backwards and violent as the average Punjabi-person from the indian subcontinent.  This story is archived in the Qadiani-Ahmadi source:  Tareekh ahmadiyyat vol 5 page 185 and 186

The story
There was a newspaper named Mubahila. Editor of that newspaper, Abdul Kareem, use to expose mirza about his lies and ghastly character from books of mirza Qadiyani. On 23rd April 1930 , one follower of mirza qadiyani attacked Abdul Kareem, inflicted serious injuries upon him and killed his one companion Haji Muhammad Hussain for the honor of mirza. Qazi Muhammad Ali was arrested and sent to jail where proceedings of his case started on 1st November 1930. After proceedings Capital Punishment was awarded to Qazi Muhammad Ali under two charges, Murder and attempted Murder. Appeal was filed in higher courts but rejected, consequently Qazi Muhammad Ali was hanged on 21 May 1931. Today every Qadiyani says that killing for the honor of Holy Prophet Peace Be Upon Him is not justified at all and it is and atrocious act. What they did in case of Qazi Muhammad Ali???

When he Killed Haji Muhammad Hussain, Second khaleefa Of Jamaat supported him in his Friday sermons. He declared that Qazi Muhammad Ali did this out extreme level of faith. He fought his case starting from lower level to high courts and praised him a lot. When he was hanged, second khaleefa send special individual to bring his dead body to Qadiyan. He offered his JANAZA and shoulder the funeral. In official newspaper of Mirzaies they published an article with Heading “Splendid end of respected Qazi Muhammad Ali” in which he was posed as hero. Many people demanded his pictures to blees their eyes with sight of Qazi Muhammad Ali, Those were printed and sold to them. And he is still hero of Jamat for killing an innocent.
We always observe and say that Qadiyanies have no relation with Holy Prophet Peace Be Upon Him. They Always degrade Ghazi Ilm Ud Deen who killed Raj Pal for honor of Holy Prophet Peace Be Upon Him, but consider Qazi Muhammad Ali as Hero who killed for mirza.

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Maulvi Sarwar Shah (Qadiani-Ahmadi) vs. the Lahori-Ahmadi’s

Dear readers, we recently posted a book by Sarwar Shah, who was a cleric for the Qadiani-faction of Ahmadi’sSarwar Shah was also an opium addict and heavy smoker.  We went through his book and wrote a summary of what we found.  See this essay for corroborating data on this topic: and this one for data on the role of Sarwar Shah:


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Summary written by our Pakistani team

Khwaja Kamaluddin Advocate (1870-1932) joined Ahmadiyya in 1893 and became a close associate of Mrza Gulam Qadiani.
Being an educated person he realized that the whole system revolves around money making and Mirza family’s rule. So at the outset, he along with Molana Muhammad Ali Lahori raised voices against the cult like policies of the Jamaat.

Molvi Syed Sarwar Shah was also a close associate of Mirza Gulam Qadiani but he was a die hard supporter of Mirza Mahmoud and Mirza family. He wrote two letters to Molana Muhammad Ali Lahori giving accounts of the activities of Muhammad Ali and Khwaja Kamaluddin against Mirza Qadiani, his family and Khilafat of Mahmoud. For us this is an evidence of corruption in Qadiani Jamaat from beginning by its own leaders.
Here we have glimpses of book Kashful Ikhtilaf by Molvi Syed Sarwar Shah. His letters to Muhammad Ali Lahori, have been summarised as under:-
“Molana you are a good man but have two weaknesses, one you are short tempered person and the other one you rely upon your friend (Khwaja Kamaluddin) more than anything. This was the reason that during the life time of Hazrat sb (MGQ), you had shown your reaction on petty affairs so much that you got ready to leave Qadian and to this day you are not willing to forget your grievances against Khalifatul Masih (Mirza Mahmoud)andAhle Bait, meaning Mirza Family.

Do u remember hazrat sahib (MGQ) had related his dream to you that Kh. Kamaluddin has got mad and wanted to attack on him when he asked someone to get him out, he left the place himself then Hazrat sahib asked you to write to kamaluddin to seek repentance of Allah excessively. Instead of repenting, Kh. Kamaluddin, start raising question on hazrat sahib(MGQ)for financial irregularities and you supported to him as well.

May I also remind you of our travel to Gujrat when we were riding on a Tonga of Nawab Khan Sahib Tehsildar, I, was sitting beside you on rear seat and khwaja Sahib were sitting on front Seat with Driver.

Khwaja Sahib sought permission to pose a question and took hours to complete his question which was :-
in past we used to motivate our wives that they should try to follow the life style of Ambiya and Sahabas, they eat dry bread in lesser quantity, they wear thick and worn out patched cloths and spend much of their income for needs of nation. In this way we could succeed in saving some money to send to Qadiani for Jamaat. (Chanda).

But when our women had visited Qadian and saw the women of Mirza family and other residents themselves, they said to us “you were telling lie to us. We have seen ourselves the life style of Ambia and Sahabas. Their women are living such luxurious life that we can not even think of. Whereas we pay to them our hard earned money, while they are spending money for luxuries, that is received by them in the name of service of Islam. So you are liar and has kept us in dark by telling lie and now we are not going to spare money for sending it to Qadian.

Then Khwaja sahib said you don,t have true answer to this question whatever you reply to people, would not be valid in front of me. Then you (Muhammad Ali Lahori) replied to Khwaja sahib that Ambiya,s deed,except the deeds of Hazrat Muhammad s.a.w., are of two types one that happens as a prophet the other one that happens due to his being a BASHAR so the deeds as Bashar are not pure from the faults like all mankind. This reply depressed me and put under severe kind of pain and I kept on reciting “Lahoula wala quwwata illa billahil azeem.” In my heart.

Molana I have heard Hazrat Masihe Moud saying, it is the will of Allah that the Langar (free meal to poor)should be managed by him and if he withdraws from the management, this LANGAR would not be run for a single day. But this Kamaluddin, time and again insists that LANGAR management may be handed over to him. I told you of this and you brought Kwaja sahib to me to tell him of the instructions of Hazrat sahib regarding LANGAR.

Still Kwaja Sahib reiterated his stance that the langar management is harming the precious religious engagements of Hazrat sahib and the staff is not running it properly and spending excessive money so that is why it may be handed over to him. Then Khwaja sahib asked you to talk to hazrat sahib again but you said you would accompany him but would not talk.

Here I recall written complaint of financial irregularity against Hazrat sahib (MGQ)by one namely Babu Sahib and this was also supported by khwaja sahib who then complained about Langar that how Mir Sahib wastes the Meal by distributing it among gardeners and feeding to the garden dogs.

Many times Hazrat sahib has mentioned the weakness of IMAN of Khwaja Sahib and described the example of Saadullah Ludhianvi, in this regard. Then Hazrat Sahib ordered for publication of Ishtihar of Jalsa Azam which was also opposed by Khwaja Kamaluddin and he published subsequently when hazrat Sahib pressed hard for it.

Molana your friend Khawaja Kamaluddin conspired to break this Jamaat by making few notables to his side and the plan was to earn money by Tabligh in Europe. So he got hold of you first and unfortunately you became his supporter. I remember those meetings where Khawaja Kamaluddin was described as the POLOS OF JAMAATE AHMADIYYA.

Khwaja Kamaluddin used to tell somebody in front of you that we may place him (Muhammad Ali) ahead in the Jamaat. He also used to advise you how to stop Mirza Mahmoud ‘s selection as Khalifa. Kamaluddin studied your personality weaknesses of being short tempered and flattery lover. In fact you became a tool in the hand of Khwaja Kamaluddin.

Molvi Sahib think of the circumstances when Akhbar e watan was proposed which was the beginning of the scheme of Khwaja Kamaluddin. When at an evening Hazrat Sahib (MGQ) suddenly entered your room and said I want to ask you one thing which is, what is the reason that many Islamic magazines were published but remained ineffective but your magazine has great influence. If you publish a magazine without mentioning me, (MGQ), you would be presenting dead Islam which many non Ahmadis present. Then you immediately blamed Khwaja sahib by saying that Huzur same are my views here but It is Khwaja sahib who is insisting to publish a magazine without mentioning Huzur (MGQ). Then Huzur got a letter written to Khwaja sb by you. But now (after MGQ), you are publishing Magazines without any reference to hazrat Sahib (MGQ).

You made it an issue that Mirza Mahmoud declares non Ahmadis as Kafir, but it was not the real issue otherwise you would not have proposed him a Khalifa for Qadian while nominating the Khulafa e Masih. Or you would have made his nomination conditional that he repent from excommunication of Muslims, but no such condition was attached nor Mian sahib has repented for excommunication. After baiyat of Mian
Mahmoud You peoples also said only 20% of the Jamaat peoples pledged their Baiyat to him.

Khwaja Kamaluddin supported Hakim Nuruddin to become Khalifa after hazrat Masih e Moud but they insisted that Khalifa should not rule on Sadar Anjuman and Anjuman should be beyond the Khalifa,s rule. Khawaja Kamaluddin tried to get Khalifa under his influence but does not succeed then he starts saying that it was our mistake to make him (Nuruddin) a Kahalifa.

When Khalifa was to decide the issue of Anjuman, you said if Khalifa decides against what we think is right we would not accept any such decision because we know that Anjuman has the authority to appoint Khalifa and it does not come under the jurisdiction of Khalifa, rather Khalifa is supposed to obey Anjuman as we are a body came into existence on the WASSIYYAT OF hazrat Masih Moud (MGQ).

After this decision you and your supporters abused all those found to have opposite opinion. So much so Hazrat Nana Jan (Mir. Nasir Nawab) was not spared, abuses were hurled upon him he was about to be beaten, had he not taken refuge in the house of Hazrat Masih e Moud.

Next day Khalifatul Masih (Molv Nuruddin) led the Fajr prayer wherein a revealing condition prevailed upon him while reciting Surah Alburuj verses meant “ those who spread fitna among believers if they do not repent then hell fire would be their destination where they would be burnt” This was God ,s decision for you but to the surprise and shock of others you did not accept this.

But Molvi Nuruddin Sahib delivered a lecture afterward and asked you people to repent and take a fresh Bayat. You and your friend pledged their Baiyat. But then you reprimanded Khawaja sahib and said we have been humiliated at the hand of Our own made Khalifa and now I am not going to stay here anymore. “


The Qadiani-branch of Ahmadi’s Claim That Court In Malaysia Declared Them As Muslims, When In Fact They Said To Court: We Are Non-Muslims!

A few days ago on 6th July 2018, Qadiani-Ahmadi’s are claiming that a court in Malaysia has declared them as Muslim. See, for example, the facebook page Faizan e Ahmadiyyat.

Yet if you look at the link to a Malaysian newspaper given on the above facebook page, the news report says:

“”Thirty-nine members of the sect had challenged JAIS [Selangor Islamic Religious Department] for trying to charge them with shariah offences, on the basis that Islamic authorities in Selangor do not recognise Ahmadiah Muslims as Muslims.

The court ruled that the Selangor Islamic religious authorities have no jurisdiction over Ahmadi Muslims in the state.”””

In his submission previously, Paiva [lawyer for the Qadianis] said the community should be allowed to practise their faith since they were not considered Muslims by Selangor.

He said Jais could not attempt to charge the community with shariah offences when they had refused to recognise the Muslim sect as adherents.

“On the one hand, you say they are not Muslims; on the other hand, you are arresting them and taking them to the Shariah Court to face charges,” Paiva said.

So what happened was that the Qadiani-Ahmadi’s went to court against the Selangor Islamic authorities saying: You can’t charge us with committing offences against Islamic Shariah because you consider us as non-Muslims.

In another Malaysian newspaper the report begins:

KUALA LUMPUR, July 6 ― The Shah Alam High Court decided today that the Shariah Court has no jurisdiction over members of the Ahmadiyya community, as the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) has refused to recognise the Muslim sect as adherents.

What it means is that if a Qadiani commits an act which is an offence in Islamic Shariah (though not against the secular law of the land), he cannot be charged by the Islamic authorities because the jurisdiction of these authorities is limited only to Muslims!

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The Qadiani branch of Ahmadi’s published an english translation and commentary of the Quran in 1915

Ahmadiyya INC is a dangerous organization like the Jehova Witnesses.  Just like the JW’s, Ahmadiyya purposely and willfully mis-translate and mis-interpret their scripture, i.e. the Quran.  The first Ahmadi to write an Urdu translation of the Quran was the famous Ahmadi-apostate, Dr. Khan.  He also wrote an english translation of the Quran in 1905.  Since Dr. Khan left Ahmadiyya in 1906, his Tafsir was thrown out, thus, Ahmadiyya leadership had to write another official translation and commentary.

When the split happened, the famous Lahori-Ahmadi, Muhammad Ali was already working on an Urdu and English full commentary on the Quran.  However, by 1914, it wasn’t officially done yet.  He ended up finishing his commentary and getting it published in 1917Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad, who was the Qadiani Khalifa at the time threatened to sue the Lahori-Ahmadi’s over the matter, and claimed that all of the commentary work that Muhammad Ali had performed actually belonged to him.  Khwaja Kamaluddin wrote a book about this in 1915.

Ahmadiyya Quran’s were spread all throughout the world
Ahmadiyya strategy has always been to flood the world with their literature and thus get converts.  Their main way of doing this was by publishing their Quran’s and then getting libraries to carry them.

What is in these quran’s?
Ahmadi’s want the world to believe that Esa (As) is dead…and this is their main strategy, if they could, they would burn all the quranic commentaries which imply that Esa (As) hasn’t died yet and thus kill this historical fact within Islam.  These Quran’s contain many other Ahmadiyya ideas, like the continuation of prophethood and etc etc etc.

We have found a Qadiani english commentary on the Quran from 1915
English Translation Mirza Mahmood (1)


The history of the Lahori and Qadiani Ahmadi’s by Dr. Gerdien Jonker, Ph.D–Research Scholar Germany


My team and I have found an interesting speech/lecture by Dr. Gerdien Jonker, Ph.D on the Lahori and Qadiani missions in Germany and other parts of Europe, she focuses on Germany and the Lahori-Ahmadis a bit more then their Qadiani counterparts.

She has additional and new work forthcoming
Research projects 

2016-2019: Ahmadiyya Mission in Interwar Europe (2) (DFG, Bonn)

2013-2016: Ahmadiyya Mission in Interwar Europe (1) (DFG, Bonn)

Dr. Gerdien Jonker, Ph.D was invited to the Lahori-Ahmadi Jalsa in 2013 and gave this presentation
It should be noted that Dr. Jonker gave her research work in a lecture at the annual Jalsa of the Lahori-Ahmadis in 2013

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Qadiani Ahmadis vs. Lahori-Ahmadis, sectarianism within Ahmadiyya–2018 version

Ahmadi’s are always crying that they get called Qadianis and this and that.  They are taught to play the persecution card to the public.  However, they were only called Qadianis since there were initially two main groups of Ahmadis, the Lahoris and the Qadianis.  But Ahmadiyya leadership won’t stop, they continue to cry about persecution that isn’t even really happening, Ahmadis enjoy good jobs in Pakistan and blend in with the Desi environment.  It is only when Ahmadi’s break the law and start giving out literature, that’s when being an Ahmadi in Pakistan becomes an issue.

In the video in the below, the Ahmadi-mullah, Azhar Haneef, explains how he was invited to a Lahori-Jalsa in the country of Suriname in 2015 and he was shocked to see the slow death of the Lahori-Ahmadis.  He commented how NO ONE shows up for Salaat and etc.  However, he forgets to mention that any Ahmadi mosque in the USA, there are barely 2-3 people that show up for Isha on a Monday night.  The truth is that the Lahori-Ahmadis are vanishing fast, most likely because of their liberal version of Islam, plus, they don’t worship the Mirza family like the Qadianis, and thus they aren’t brainwashed fools.  They are free to live.  Lahori-Ahmadis are the better version of Ahmadiyya, they realized that MGA and his family were corrupt, as early as 1909 and were trying to stop the Mirza family from turning Ahmadiyya into a family business, however, they failed.

Qadianis in America, the UK, Germany and Canada are also vanishing
The real reason that Azhar Haneef was making these comments is because he was at the West Coast Jalsa Salana, and the young-american-born-Ahmadis (qadianis) are also vanishing and not just America, in Canada, Germany, the UK and other places in the west.  They are leaving Ahmadiyya silently, just like the Lahori-Ahmadis.  Azhar Haneef was commenting on this topic, he was urging young Qadiani-Ahmadis to worship their Khalifa, and thus remain hooked into Ahmadiyya.  However, the truth is, young-american-born-qadiani-ahmadis don’t care about any Khalifa, they are modernized and utilize critical thinking, and thus are leaving ahmadiyya fast.

This is why Ahmadiyya (qadiani-version) is reliant on immigration
Without immigration, Ahmadiyya in the west is dead.  It is the immigrant Ahmadis, the asylum cases, they are the people who drive the jamaat, they are the ones who pay the chanda and force their kids to attend silly jamaat events and etc.  It is the immigrant Ahmadi’s who work day and night on behalf of the Mirza family aka Khilafat.

Qadiani-Ahmadis have been persecuting Lahori-Ahmadis for 100 years and calling them Kafir
It is important to note that in terms of persecution, the Qadianis have hated their Lahori brethren for over 100 years, they even called them by many disrespectful epithets like “Paghamis” and etc.  In fact, in 1916, Mirza Bashir Ahmad indirectly called them Kafirs as he declared that any Muslim who rejects the prophethood of MGA was a Kafir.  

The video

The video from official Ahmadi sources

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Qadiani Jamaat Against Lahori-Ahmadi’s in Shimla Debate Of 1915

I left Ahmadiyya mainly because of what I read about the Lahori-Qadiani split in the Ahmadiyya movement.  I was disgusted by the behaviors of the Mirza family.  In my research, I found an old debate by these two groups in 1915 and published in 1916.  In this debate each party put forward its arguments before an impartial, non-Ahmadi Muslim arbitrator as to its interpretation of the claims of  Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The arbitrator’s verdict, printed in this book, is presented to show that he ruled that the Qadiani explanation of his claim, that he claimed to be a prophet, was correct.

The debate
You can find it here also:

This debate is the definitive reference on what the Qadiani group of the Ahmadiyya think about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet, and how the Lahori groups deflect the issue.

This debate on the innovative and complicated theology of the Ahmadiyya groups was conducted at a conference held in Shimla that was called by the Ahmadis of Shimla.  Shimla being a rich resort, these Ahmadis invited both parties and appointed Shaikh Muhammad Umar BA, LLB, as the arbitrator.

The debate took place on 23rd December 1915 and was published in Qadian as Qaul Faisal, Mubahatha Shimla (8.5MB PDF) on 4 June 1916. These proceedings represents the closest we will get to the original positions and it includes many very interesting references and interpretations.
The arbitrator concluded:
  1. Mirza Sahib is not a permanent (i.e. direct) prophet, nor is he a real prophet in the sense related to being legislative, but he is a indirect non-legislative prophet.
  2. According to Mirza Sahib, he is a real prophet in the sense that he attained the office of prophet via Muhammad (saw).
  3. According to Mirza Sahib, no other person has been bestowed this office in 1300 years Hijri.
  4. According to Mirza Sahib, he is entered into the group of prophets and between him and past prophets, the only difference is the means by which he became prophet, and not in the essence of being a prophet.
  5. According to Mirza Sahib, as he himself is a prophet, he has superiority, with all aspects of glory, over Jesus (as).
Urdu original:
Mubahatha Shimla Conclusion

Lahori Defense

Although the Lahori group has never been vocal about this debate, after this article was published, Dr. Zahid Aziz has written a defense of the verdict against the Lahori group on the Lahore Ahmadiyya Web site, available at  None of the three points he raises — deferred matter of takfeer, Qadiani debater becoming Lahori, and Qadianis retracting their beliefs — is a rebuttal.  As we wrote above about the Lahori position, the article is indeed a deflection.
Dr. Aziz’s point is valid that the Lahori doctrine has been consistent.  This is so because it was explicitly engineered by M. Ali and K. Kamaluddin as to not offend Muslims and try to stay within the realm of Islam.  During the British raj, the Qadianis went full-bore with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claims of being a prophet, and then they have had to retract or back-pedal their views in the face of Muslim opprobrium.
There are two distinct phases of Mirza’s prophetic career: before 1901 and after 1901.  Right in that year when the Mirza staked his claim to being a prophet, two of his stalwart followers, Ahsan Amrohi and Abdul Karim Sialkoti publicly argued about the matter.  Hence, the Lahori view that there was no change at all is contrived.  And that is exactly the point that makes this debate, held within a year of the Split, so important.

The Debate

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