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Noor-uddin secretly disagreed with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad on the birth of Esa (as)

Intro
Noorudin and his team (Maulvi Abdul Kareem and Mufti Sadiq) believed that Esa (as) had a biological father before they had ever met Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they took this new belief from Sir Syed, who wrote it in 1880.  They all worked together in Jammu, with Noorudin being the boss.  Nonetheless, Noorudin and his team held the belief that Esa (as) had a biological father until 1903, wherein it is reported by Noorudin himself that he was forced to change his position on the order of MGA.  However, after MGA died, per Lahori-Ahmadi sources, Noorudin ordered Muhammad Ali to write in his commentary of the Quran that Esa (As) had a biological father.    The Qadiani branch went on to call the miraculous birth of Esa (as) as less then a miracle and some sort of rationally explained phenomenon.  Obviously, the classic islamic view is that Esa (as) was born miraculously, just like Adam (as). By the will of Allah.  

The Quotes
 “Once Hazrat Mirza asked Shaikh Qamar-ud-Din of Jhelum to show him the verses of the Quran from which the Shaikh had concluded that Jesus had a father. At first, the Shaikh sahib, out of respect for Hazrat Mirza, remained silent. But upon Hazrat Mirza repeating the question, he mentioned the arguments from the Quran that he knew. Hearing the arguments, Hazrat Mirza said: ‘Your arguments are certainly strong, but until God gives me to understand this point, I will follow the views of the majority of Muslims’. … Hazrat Mirza said to Hakim Fazal Din [who had complained about Shaikh sahib’s belief]: ‘How can you declare as heretic someone who bases his arguments on the Quran?’” (Mujaddid e Azam Vol.2 Pg.1342).

”Molvi Nooruddin held the same belief and he once told me that ‘The only reason I stay silent about this issue is because MGA believes otherwise.’  (Footnote) But after the death of MGA, Molvi Nooruddin became the Khalifa and he specifically instructed Molvi Muhammad Ali to write that Jesus had a father in his English commentary of the Qur’an” (Mujaddid e Azam Vol.2 Pg.1342).  

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/25/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-his-team-went-back-and-forth-in-terms-of-if-jesus-had-a-biological-father-or-not/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/07/noor-uddin-secretly-disagreed-with-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-on-the-birth-of-esa-as/

http://www.muslim.org/books/f-ahm-mv/ch12.htm#u

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/02/muhammad-ali-the-lahori-ahmadi-denies-the-miraculous-birth-of-esa-as-in-1917/

Click to access Fountain-of-Christianity.pdf

http://www.muslim.org/sa-case/evidence/s16.htm

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Muhammad Ali (the Lahori-Ahmadi) denies the miraculous birth of Esa (as) in 1917

Intro
Noorudin and his team (Maulvi Abdul Kareem and Mufti Sadiq) believed that Esa (as) had a biological father before they had ever met Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they took this new belief from Sir Syed, who wrote it in 1880.  They all worked together in Jammu, with Noorudin being the boss.  Nonetheless, Noorudin and his team held the belief that Esa (as) had a biological father until 1903, wherein it is reported by Noorudin himself that he was forced to change his position on the order of MGA.  However, after MGA died, per Lahori-Ahmadi sources, Noorudin ordered Muhammad Ali to write in his commentary of the Quran that Esa (As) had a biological father.  The Qadiani branch went on to call the miraculous birth of Esa (as) as less then a miracle and some sort of rationally explained phenomenon.  Obviously, the classic islamic view is that Esa (as) was born miraculously, just like Adam (as). By the will of Allah.  

The Quote
In his famous english commentary he writes about 3:58:

“”In either case there is no reference to Jesus being brought into existence without the agency of a parent”  (see page 161, 3:58)

Another quote from his urdu commentary on the Quran

“Christians believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, and so do Muslims generally. But there are Christians who do not believe this, and also Muslims who do not. There is, however, one difference. If, in fact, Jesus was not born without a father, it does not have any effect on any religious belief of the Muslims because it is not part of their faith to believe in the virgin birth. But the very foundations of the structure of Christianity are uprooted if it cannot be proved that Jesus was born without a father. For if he had a father, then Mary did not conceive of the Holy Spirit, nor was Jesus divine, nor is the doctrine of atonement correct.

“So, Jesus not being born of a virgin uproots Christianity altogether, but does no harm to Islam. A Muslim equally believes in the prophethood of Jesus, whether he had a father or not. He only wants to consider what the Holy Quran says, or what can be established from the Holy Prophet’s Sayings. If these record birth without a father, he will accept that, otherwise not. Nor would being born without a father show him to be superior to the prophets who had fathers because, for that matter, Adam and Eve had no father, and the Bible mentions Melchizedek who was ‘without father or mother’, see Hebrews 7:3. In this case, these three would be considered superior to Jesus. But, in fact, the very argument is wrong that one born without a father is superior.

“Besides this, a Muslim does not hold that Mary conceived from the Holy Spirit. If he was born without a father, this would merely be one of the wonders of creation, that Mary possessed both types of faculties. In fact, it is not even a miracle because it is necessary for a miracle that someone should be a witness or observer. But none except Mary could be a witness to her conceiving without a husband. What sort of a miracle would this be? So all we have to determine is what the Holy Quran and the Hadith disclose about this.

“God Himself says that He has put into effect the law for mankind that after the beginning this race propagates by the sperm, and He says that He makes man from the sperm of the male mixed with the female ovum. So unless God explicitly says that He created Jesus against this law of mating, and in a different manner, we would have to accept that the means which God brought about correspond to this law. There is no question here of whether God has the power to do such a thing or not. He can create someone without a father or a mother. The question is only whether it can be shown from the Holy Quran or authentic Hadith that God made Jesus without a father. When He Himself explains a law, then unless He Himself says that in a certain case He displayed His power as against that law, we cannot take something to have happened in breach of His law. So if some person concludes from the words of the Holy Quran that Jesus was born without a father, let him believe it. I do not draw this conclusion from the Quranic words. Though I do not consider this issue to be of any great importance, I think that it is a Muslim’s duty to make known his honestly and sincerely drawn conclusions from the Quran. Believing Jesus to have had a father, or believing him not to have had a father, does not affect our religious beliefs or practical actions in any way.”

(Bayan al-Quran, footnote 427 under verse 3:46)

 

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http://www.muslim.org/books/f-ahm-mv/ch12.htm#u

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/02/muhammad-ali-the-lahori-ahmadi-denies-the-miraculous-birth-of-esa-as-in-1917/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity.pdf

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MGA writes in opposition to the Islamic view of the miraculous birth of Esa (as)

Intro
Noorudin and his team (Maulvi Abdul Kareem and Mufti Sadiq) believed that Esa (as) had a biological father before they had ever met Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they took this new belief from Sir Syed, who wrote it in 1880. They all worked together in Jammu, with Noorudin being the boss. Nonetheless, Noorudin and his team held the belief that Esa (as) had a biological father until 1903, wherein it is reported by Noorudin himself that he was forced to change his position on the order of MGA. However, after MGA died, per Lahori-Ahmadi sources, Noorudin ordered Muhammad Ali to write in his commentary of the Quran that Esa (As) had a biological father.  The Qadiani branch went on to call the miraculous birth of Esa (as) as less then a miracle and some sort of rationally explained phenomenon. Obviously, the classic islamic view is that Esa (as) was born miraculously, just like Adam (as). By the will of Allah.  

The reference
“Do you believe birth of Jesus without father? Birth of Jesus without father doesn’t amaze me, Hazrat Adam was born without father and mother, Now rainy season is near, (you should) must go out and see how many insects get born itself. Therefore it’s a mistake to take it as proof of Jesus’s being God.”

Urdu Transliteration
“Masih ka bin baap paida hona mantay hain ya nahi?”
“Masih ka bin baap paida honay mari nagah ma koi ajoba baat nahi, Hazrat Adam AS maa or baap dono nahi rakhtay tah. Ab Kareeb Barsat Aati Ha, Zuroor Bahir Ja Kar Daikhien K Kitnay Keeray Mokohray Baghair Maa Baap K Paida Ho Jatay Hain. Pas es sa Masih ki khudai ka suboot nakalna sirf ghalti ha.”(Ruhani Khazain volume 6 Jang-e-Muqadas page 280-281)

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1923, Seeratul mahdi

qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_3.pdf
pdf page 114/316
Narration no. 645

” Dr.Ismail narrated to me that once we were talking about birth of Jesus. Masih Moud (mgaq) said Allah tala created Jesus without a father to show that now bani Israel are not left with a single man whose seed can father (bear) a prophet and now there is end of prophethood in this nation. And time has come for bani Ismail to bear Nabi….”

qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_3.pdf
pdf page 228/316
Narration no. 801

” Molvi M Ibrahim Baqa Puri narrated to me in writing that once I said to mgaq that Allah has parised mother of Eisa (a.s.) and named her SIDDIQA (truthful , pure). Upon this mgaq said here Allah tala has mentioned mother of Eisa (a.s.) to break his ‘godhood’ and use of SIDDIQA is like we say in our language (punjabi phrase) that “o squint-eyed sister in law, I say slam to you” where the objective is to call her squinted-eyed, not to say salam. Similarly in this ayat real objective is to prove that Essa a.s. had a mother which is aginst goodhood not to show TRUTHFULNESS of Maryam ”

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/02/muhammad-ali-the-lahori-ahmadi-denies-the-miraculous-birth-of-esa-as-in-1917/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity.pdf

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad disputed the status of Esa (as)’s mother as “Siqqidah” in english as “truthful”

Intro
We know how MGA disrespected Esa (as). He also disrespected Esa (as)’s mother, Maryam (ra). We have a new quote from the infamous Seeratul Mahdi, wherein MGA was heard to have said that Maryam (ra) was not “truthful” because of her moral disposition, no, it was done to dismiss the divinity of Jesus (as god), not because she was actually “truthful”. In 1898, in MGA’s book, Ayyam-us-Sulh, MGA accused Mary (ra) of even meeting up with Joseph before she married him. MGA had stolen most of these disrespectful counter arguments from Lekh Ram and the Hindu’s of India. This quote from Seeratul Mahdi is not dated, thus, we have no idea when it was uttered. We do know that Noorudin always believe that esa (as)’s was born of a biological father (Joseph the carpenter) and MGA had to quiet him in 1904, however, after MGA died, Noorudin seems to have reverted to this belief and thus the Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya vol. 5 seems to hint that Noorudin still negated the immaculate conception concept of the Bible/Quran on the birth of Esa (As).
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MGA also said about Esa (as)’s mother and grandmother’s

“Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence.” (Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, Anjam-i-Atham, P. 9, appendix).

And

“(2) Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach us that God was born of a woman – and was fed by sucking blood from the womb of his mother for nine months – the blood which had the qualities of prostitutes like the daughters of Saba, Tamar, and Rabah.” (Anjam-e-Athum, P. 41)
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The quote

Mirza Bashir Ahmad son of Ghulam Qadiani, at page No. 732 Vol-3 of his book Seeratul Mahdi narrates this as under:-

“(801) Molvi Muhammad Ibrahim Bakapuri stated to me in writing that once he said to hazrat Masih e Moud (Mirza) that Allah has praised the mother of Essa a.s. with the title of SIDDIQAH, but huzur (mirza) said that, here the word, siddiqah has been used for negating the divinity of Essa a.s. It has been used just like we in our punjabi language use the phrase “BHARJAI KANIYE SALAM AKHNA WAN” meaning O you the one-eyed wife of my brother, I say Salam to you. So the actual purpose of this sort of salam is actually not to convey salam but to remind her that she is one-eyed.”

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roohani khazyian 14 -page 300 (ayam alsulah)

“that their (afghani) women meet and talk freely to their betrothed, some of their tribes (afghani) do not make distinction between being engaged and being in the Nikah. (mga is clever how he use the words, here he is saying  that even if one is engaged they would carry on as a married couple) women meet their fiancé openly and talk freely. Hazrat Maryam Sadiqa to go out with her fiance Yousaf freely, is the firm testimony on this Israeli tradition. Women of certain coastal tribes (afghani) cross the boundaries with their fiances to the extent that they get pregnant before the Nikah, they do not get frowned upon, and they push aside the issue laughing and joking about it. Just like Jews, they, being betrothed see it a kind of nikah, during which the is set too.”

Transliteration: “muslun un kay baaz qabial (tribes) main naata aour nikah main kutch chandan (little) faraq nahin samaghtay aour aurteen (women) apnay mansoob kay saath bilaa takaluf miltee hain aour batain kertee hain. Hazrat Maryam sidiqa kaa apnay mansoob yousaf kay saath kabal nikah kay phirna (go out) us israeely rasam per pukhta shahadat hai. Magar khawateen serhadi (women from serhad-coastal area) kay baaz kabail main yaiy mamaaslat aourton kee apnay mansoobon say hud say ziaada hoti hai, hutta kay baaz aoukaat nikah say pehlay hamal (pregnancy) bhee ho jata hai, gis koo buraa naheen mantay bulkay hunsee (laugh) thathay (laughing matter) main baat ko taal daitay hain, kayounkay yahood kee taraah yay loog natta (engagement) ko aik kisam kaa nikah hee jantay hain gis main pehlay mehr bhee muqarar ho jataa hai.

“”5th point is their customs, which are similar to Jews, as their tribes don’t make a difference between regular relationship and marriage. Ladies meet their fiance quite often. Hazrat Mariam used to meet with her fiance Yousaf (Yusuf)(Joseph) before marriage, this is quote sufficient evidence of jewish customs. But these customs are too much between women of tribes of Sarhad, some of these women even get pregnant before nikah (marriage), and its not considered bad, people used to get-away with it and laugh, because like jews they believe “this-arrangement” to be like a nikah, because before it they fix a dowry for it…”

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Mirza Tahir Ahmad called Esa (as)’s mother a Hermaphrodite!!!!

Intro
Noorudin and his team (Maulvi Abdul Kareem and Mufti Sadiq) believed that Esa (as) had a biological father before they had ever met Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they took this new belief from Sir Syed, who wrote it in 1880.  They all worked together in Jammu, with Noorudin being the boss.  Nonetheless, Noorudin and his team held the belief that Esa (as) had a biological father until 1903, wherein it is reported by Noorudin himself that he was forced to change his position on the order of MGA.  However, after MGA died, per Lahori-Ahmadi sources, Noorudin ordered Muhammad Ali to write in his commentary of the Quran that Esa (As) had a biological father.  The Qadiani branch went on to call the miraculous birth of Esa (as) as less then a miracle and some sort of rationally explained phenomenon.  Obviously, the classic islamic view is that Esa (as) was born miraculously, just like Adam (as). By the will of Allah.  

Mirza Tahir Ahmad went a step further in his assertions.  He eventually asserted that Maryam (ra) was a hermaphrodite.

The quote
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/chapter_1.html

The book
Christianity: A Journey from Facts to Fiction by Mirza tahir Ahmad (1994)

 

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Dr. Basharat Ahmad, the Lahori-Ahmadi, argued that Esa (as) had a biological father

Intro
Noorudin and his team (Maulvi Abdul Kareem and Mufti Sadiq) believed that Esa (as) had a biological father before they had ever met Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they took this new belief from Sir Syed, who wrote it in 1880. They all worked together in Jammu, with Noorudin being the boss. Nevertheless, Noorudin and his team held the belief that Esa (as) had a biological father until 1903, wherein it is reported by Noorudin himself that he was forced to change his position on the order of MGA. However, after MGA died, per Lahori-Ahmadi sources, Noorudin ordered Muhammad Ali to write in his commentary of the Quran that Esa (As) had a biological father.  The Qadiani branch went on to call the miraculous birth of Esa (as) as less then a miracle and some sort of rationally explained phenomenon. Obviously, the classic islamic view is that Esa (as) was born miraculously, just like Adam (as). By the will of Allah. Interestingly, in 1902, the english ROR discussed the possibility of a biological father of Esa (as).

 “waladat e Masih” written by Dr Basharat Ahmad of Lahori ahmadiyya branch, written in 1930
Summary
He claims that he is writing this, after the extensive study of the Holy Quran and Holy Bible. Basically Dr Basharat (by the way readers might not know that he was father in law of Moulana Muhammad Ali) is saying, that Hazrat Eisa had a father, Dr Basharat does not believe in miracle birth of Hazrat Eisa, and how it is possible that he could be born without a human father, and how was it possible that Hazrat Maryam got pregnant with out a Male partner/husband.

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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity.pdf

http://www.muslim.org/sa-case/evidence/s16.htm

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MGA’s strange beliefs on the birth of Adam (as)

Intro
MGA contradicted himself many times. Most likely because he had multiple ghost-writers.  In a recent catch, we see MGA and his team of writers trying to assert that Adam (as) was born as a twin…and Eve or Hawa was the female twin of Adam (as) (nauzobillah).

The reference work
(1907)— “””Adam twa’am(twin) k toor par paida hoa tah, pahlay Adam or baad ma Hawa (rk vol 22 haqiqatul wahi page 209)”””—urdu transliteration

English—“Adam was born as a twin, first Adam and then Hawa (aka Eve)”

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20 years earlier, and before 1891 he wrote
1886 in Arya Dharam:

Urdu Transliteration—-“”””jasay Hazrat Hawa Hazrat Adam ki pasli sa nikali gae aisay he har yak larkay ki joroo us ki pasli sa nikali gae ho””””

“””Just like Hazrat Hawa was created by rib of Hazrat Adam same as each boy’s wife was created from his rib.( rk vol 10 Aariya Darham page 39)”””

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In 1908, MGA said….
An English scholar of Astronomy, Professor Rege met the Promised Messiah on 12th May and 18th May 1908 in Lahore and asked him a few questions as reported in Malfooza’at Vol. 10, Pages 353 and 426. Among other questions he asked: “It is written in the Bible that Adam or say the first man was born in Jeehoon, Seehon and belonged to that country. Are, then, all the mankind, that is found in different parts of the world like America and Australia, the descendants of the same Adam?” To this question the Promised Messiah replied, “We do not follow the Bible in holding that the world began with the birth of Adam six or seven thousand years ago, and that before this there was nothing, and God was, as it were idle and without work. Neither do we claim that all mankind who are now found in different parts of the earth, are the progeny of the self-same Adam. On the Contrary we hold that this Adam was not the first man. Mankind existed even before him, as is hinted by the Quran itself, when it says to Adam, “I am about to place a Khalifa in the earth.” As Khalifa means successor, it is clear that man existed even before Adam. Hence we cannot say whether the original inhabitants of America, Australia etc. are the progeny of this last Adam or some other Adam gone before him. (Malfooza’at Vol. 10, Page 426).

Why did he lie?
MGA and his team seemed to try to make a parallel fit, they wanted to argue that MGA was born just like Adam (as)…i.e. of a twin.  Moreover, they are also hinting towards other parallels here…since they knew that the quran linked the miraculous birth of Esa (as) to that of Adam (as)….they wanted to use this idea for an argument.

Additional lies and cover up…
In this video…(Retrieved on 10-18-16)these Ahmadis argued that women were created before men and thus supported MGA’s writings on the topic. They also explained away the Arya Dharam quote as a metaphor. So, they called MGA’s writings on this topic as a metaphor, without addressing the later writings….this is a classic Ahmadi tactic of deflection.

Further, the official Ahmadi-comprehensive english commentary on the Quran tells us that this verse means that mankind was born from 2 souls, man and woman, and thus its supports MGA’s view on this topic.  He then goes on to argue that women werent really created from the rib of a man, and its only a metaphor.

Other lies about Adam by Ahmadiyya
As we all know…Ahmadis dont believe that Adam (as) was the first human. They believe in many Adams (as)….they also dont believe that Adam (as) physically descended (nuzul) to Earth from Heaven, which is an established islamic belief.

The Lahori-Ahmadi position
Muhammad Ali (see 4:1) cleverly made the argument that this verse infers that mankind started from “pairs” and not from a single person. He didn’t care to comment on “rib” topic. I’ve found many instances wherein Muhammad Ali has steered clear of certain controversial topics.  

The Islamic position on the Adam?
Tafsir Ibn Kathir is an amazing classical book on Tafsir. Ibn Kathir tells us that Allah created a single soul, i.e. Adam (as) and then created Hawa aka Eva from the rib of Adam (as).  

Conclusions
MGA and his team of ghost-writers seem to have denied the islamic concept of creation as early as 1886. The ulema must have been concerned. It was Sir Syed who first challenged this topic and obviously, MGA’s team stole Sir Syed’s argument.

Links and Related Essays

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/25/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-his-team-went-back-and-forth-in-terms-of-if-jesus-had-a-biological-father-or-not/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/07/noor-uddin-secretly-disagreed-with-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-on-the-birth-of-esa-as/

http://www.muslim.org/books/f-ahm-mv/ch12.htm#u

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/02/muhammad-ali-the-lahori-ahmadi-denies-the-miraculous-birth-of-esa-as-in-1917/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity.pdf

http://www.muslim.org/sa-case/evidence/s16.htm

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that Jesus’ example of morals was quite worthless and misleading

Intro
As we all know, MGA insulted Jesus Christ of the bible and Esa (as) of the Quran. He insulted Esa (as) in many other books also. We have also posted lots of quotes which cover 1884 to 1902 and MGA’s insults of Esa (as). We have specifically quoted the ROR of 1902 in the below, the February edition, in the March 1902 edition, on page 114, the drunkenness is discussed in a disrespectful way. In April of 1902, the birth of Esa (as) is discussed, Muhammad Ali seems to argue that Esa (as) might have had a biological father. MGA went over board and straight up accused Jesus of even being the reason for widespread alcoholism in the European world in 1902, in his book, “Kishti-e-Nuh”, portions of this book were published in the ROR of November 1902.

The reference and the quote
“Jesus..example..was quite worthless and misleading. He taught one thing..and did another”ROR February-1902, page-43

The full timeline and list of references of how MGA insulted Esa (as)

1884
MGA denied all the miracles of Esa (as) as explained in the Quran.

Firstly, in 1892, in Nishan Asmani, MGA insulted the name Esa:
“””I am extremely perplexed as to why these Ulema are vexed by the word ‘Isa. In Islamic literature, even detestable things are named ‘Isa. For instance, in the book Burhan-e-Qati‘a, under the letter ‘‘Ain’, we read, that ‘Isa Dihqani is a metaphor for wine made from the grapes and ‘Isa Nau Maha is the bunch of grapes from which wine is made. Wine made from grapes is also called ‘Isa Nau Maha. Now, it is outrageous that these Ulema should name a wine ‘Isa and not hesitate to mention this in their books and consider it permissible that an abominable thing and a holy man should have the same appellation, while the person whom God Almighty, by His grace and power, names ‘Isaas, as opposed to the prevalent Dajjaliyyat, should be considered by them to be an infidel.””””(Nishan Asmani, online english edition, page 37).  

In 1895, MGA and his team finally called Esa (as) a drunkard, and its obvious that they copied Lekh Ram.  Here is the quote:

“Jesus was an Alcoholic and Gluttonous person, neither Abstinent nor a Pious Worshipper, nor a Truth seeker. He was a Proud and a Self- conceited Claimant of Divinity.” (Nur-ul-Quran, Roohani Khazain Vol 9 p.387).  

“A beautiful prostitute is sitting so close to him as though she is embracing him. Sometimes she massages his head with perfume or holds his feet, and sometimes she lays her beautiful black hair on his feet and plays in his lap. In this situation Mr. Messiah is sitting in ecstasy. If someone rises to object he is scolded. Besides his young age, the habit of alcoholism and being a bachelor, a beautiful prostitute is lying in front of him touching her body with his. Is this the behavior of a virtuous person? And what evidence or proof is there that Jesus did not get sexually aroused by the touch of the prostitute? Alas! Jesus could not even have the facility of sexual intercourse with a wife of his own after passing his glance upon that adulteress. What sexual excitement would have been provoked by the touching of that wretched adulteress and her playfulness! The sexual excitement and arousal would have done its work to the extreme. This is the reason why Jesus could not even open his mouth to say, ‘Oh adulteress! Keep away from me’. It is well established in the Bible that that woman was one of the prostitutes, notorious for adultery in the entire city”. (Nur-ul-Quran, Roohani Khazain vol 9 p.449).  

“You may have tried to find a solution to the objection (raised) about the Messiah’s paternal and maternal grandmothers. I am tired of thinking (of a justification of this). Up to now no nice solution has occurred to do me. What a glorious god he is whose paternal and maternal grandmothers are of such repute!” (Nur-al-Quran, Roohani Khazain, vol 9 p.394).  

“(while on the cross) Jesus could not portray himself as pious man because people knew he was gluttonous alcoholic and these bad habits were not ever since claiming divinity but it seems from early age he had (these habits). Therefore to claim divinity is one of the bad after effects of alcoholism.” (Satt bachan, Roohani Khazain vol 10 p 296).  

Later in 1897, MGA continued to insult Esa (As)
“(Jesus) had the habit of uttering obscenities and frequently using foul language. He used to get angry over petty things. He had no control over his emotions.” (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain , Vol 11 p.289 ).  

“Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes, perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them, otherwise no pious man could allow a young prostitute to touch his head with her filthy hands, and massage his head with the unclean perfume purchased with the earnings of adultery and rub his feet with her hair. Let the intelligent judge what sort of character such a person must possess.” (Zamimah Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p.291).  

“The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence.” (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol 11 p.291).  

MGA kept going…he never stopped insulting Esa (As)
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/13/mgas-tirade-against-esa-as-was-too-much/

1902
“The root cause of all the damage that alcohol consumption has had on the Europeans was that Jesus used to drink alcohol, perhaps because of some disease or an old habit.”
(Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.71).  

Scans

Links and Related Essay’s
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/13/mga-used-lekh-rams-arguments-vs-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/13/mgas-tirade-against-esa-as-was-too-much/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/11/28/in-1884-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-indirectly-denying-quran-349-as-he-denied-the-miracles-of-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/17/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-quoted-and-commented-on-178-in-1884-in-the-braheen-e-ahmadiyya-vol-4-he-then-connected-178-with-the-return-of-the-messiah/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/09/during-the-writing-of-braheen-e-ahmadiyya-mga-masked-his-beliefs-he-was-already-asserting-that-esa-as-died/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/14/what-is-maseel-e-maseeh-the-like-of-the-messiah/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/27/sir-syeds-view-on-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/16/the-queen-of-the-princely-state-of-bhopal-invested-heavily-1878-into-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-his-braheen-they-were-disappointed-by-the-product/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/12/26/did-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-claim-to-be-the-messiah-in-1889/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/14/mga-confuses-all-of-his-readers-in-1891-as-he-claimed-to-be-the-promised-messiah/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/06/nusrat-jehan-begum-and-other-women-didnt-get-into-to-mgas-bait-in-1889-and-after-were-they-illiterate/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/17/ahmadiyya-leadership-lied-about-the-first-bait-ceremony-in-1889/

http://www.aaiil.org/text/articles/reviewofreligions/raw/reviewreligionsenglish1908.pdf

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/12/09/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-accused-of-claiming-prophethood-in-the-1879-1884-era/

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An english translation of the Quran by official Ahmadiyya sources in 1905, by Dr. Khan, who would end up leaving Ahmadiyya shortly thereafter



Intro

The research team here at the blog has found the first ever english translation of the Quran by Ahmadiyya sources.  It was written by Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan, this is before he argued with MGA on the topic of salvation and verse 2:62.  In fact, the Review of Religions (see Oct-1905, page 404) even posted an ad wherein they were marketing this translation to the world as an official Ahmadiyya translation and etc.  Dr. Khan was an Ahmadi for 20+ years up to 1906, he saw MGA as his peer even before MGA was accepting Bait in 1889.  MGA slipped-up in this exchange and told Dr. Khan that all Muslims who rejected him (MGA) were Kafirs.  This would prompt MGA’s son, Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad to do Takfir in 1911 and continue to do it until 1922.

The biological birth of Esa (as)
On page 112 of this Tafsir, the Ahmadi author argues that Esa (As) was born from biological parents, this seems to confirm what MGA and his team wrote in 1891, in Izala Auham, i.e. that Esa (As) was raised by his father, Joseph.  Muhammad Ali split in 1914 and his Tafsir was published in 1917 wherein he made the same argument, i.e. that Esa (As) was fathered biologically by Joseph and the Qadianis never objected.

MGA issued a fatwa in 1904 which is opposite of the Lahori belief
Nooruddin argued with MGA on this topic.  MGA then issued a fatwa on this topic, read it here:
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=birth+of+esa

As soon as MGA died, Noorudin started writing that Esa (As) had a father again
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=birth+of+esa

Mirza Tahir Ahmad called Maryam (ra) as a Hermaphradite
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/07/mirza-tahir-ahmad-called-esa-ass-mother-a-hermaphrodite/

The missing link??
We are missing the 2nd Khalifa’s comments on this topic.  We are missing all statements from the Qadianis from 1914 to 1984.

Free Download
The Holy Quran with a Commentary by Dr Abdul Hakim

Links and Related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/dr-abdul-hakim-khan-patialvi-vs-mga-continued/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/16/dr-abdul-hakim-khan-patialvi-speaks-vs-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-1906-1907/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/15/dr-abdul-hakim-khan-predicted-mirza-ghulam-ahmads-death-the-evidence/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/07/a-word-for-word-translation-of-the-writings-of-dr-abdul-hakeen-khan-of-patiala/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/dr-khan-wrote-that-ahmadis-were-worhipping-mga-not-allah/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/new-research-data-books-by-dr-abdul-hakeem-khan-have-been-found-vs-mga/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/09/ahle-hadith-newspaper-vs-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-his-situation-with-dr-abdul-hakim-khan-of-patiala/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/dr-abdul-hakeem-khan-the-famous-ahmadi-apostate-wrote-an-english-translation-of-the-quran-in-1905/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/15/dr-abdul-hakim-khan-predicted-mirza-ghulam-ahmads-death-the-evidence/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/05/15/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-262-the-salvation-or-status-of-non-muslims-in-an-islamic-state/

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