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A Laboratory of Modernity—The Ahmadiyya Mission in Inter-war Europe by Dr. Gerdien Jonker, Ph.D—free download

Intro
Also see here:

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/01/30/in-1939-italy-banned-ahmadiyya-however-the-british-government-quickly-interceded-on-behalf-of-ahmadiyya/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/03/the-history-of-the-lahori-and-qadiani-ahmadis-by-dr-gerdien-jonker-ph-d-research-scholar-germany/

The free PDF download
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THE FIRST MUSLIM MISSIONS ON A EUROPEAN SCALE: AHMADI-LAHORI NETWORKS IN THE INTER-WAR PERIOD – Eric Germain [Pages 89-118] (2008)


Intro

Ahmadiyya factions, both Lahori and Qadiani were given access to many countries around the world as they spread their nonsensical ideas about Islam.  I have came across an important research book, it can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Interwar-Europe-Nathalie-Clayer/dp/1850658781.

Additional notes on this book

The complete research article by Eric Germain is available in two parts:

http://www.muslim.org/light/light091.pdf

http://www.muslim.org/light/light092.pdf

See here for additional info
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/03/the-history-of-the-lahori-and-qadiani-ahmadis-by-dr-gerdien-jonker-ph-d-research-scholar-germany/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/01/30/in-1939-italy-banned-ahmadiyya-however-the-british-government-quickly-interceded-on-behalf-of-ahmadiyya/

An excerpt from the book itself

SECTION: HOW AN INDIAN MOVEMENT BECAME THE VOICE OF ISLAM IN EUROPE

The movement founded by Mirza Ghulam Abmad (c. 1836—1908) was registered by the Government of India in the 1901 Census as a “distinct Mohammedan sect”. Soon after the death of its founder, the Ahmadiyya community split in two antagonistic groups. The majority of its members joined the Qadian Party which proclaimed the prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, whereas a minority group based in Lahore spoke of the “Promised Mahdi and Messiah” as a mujaddid (a renewer of his century as known in Sunni orthodoxy). In 1914 the latter group founded the Ahmadiyya Anjumau-i-Isha’at-i-Islam (Ahmadiyya Society for the Propagation of Islam, Urdu acronym AAII) under the leadership of Maulana Muhammad All (1874—1951). When Khwaja Kamaluddin decided to join the Lahore Party, the mission he had just founded in England became the spearhead of an Islamo-Christian dialogue/controversy that soon developed into a distinctive feature of this branch of the Ahmadiyya engaging Christian Churches in an assumed polemical argument.

Indian Muslims studying at British universities showed interest in the historical interaction between Europe and Islam. Such curiosity is illustrated by the translation made by the young barrister Haroon Khan Sherwani of the classic French book on the incursions of Saracens into France and Switzerland, a text published as a serial story in the Indian Muslim press. In launching a European Muslim mission, Khwaja Kamaluddin placed his action within a resolute historical perspective, claiming that “the fate of the Moors in Spain awaits us everywhere, and our annihilation is only a question of time.” He claimed that it was Christian missionary propaganda that made possible the atrocities currently suffered by Muslims in the Balkan wars, In order to “counteract the poison thus created’, Khwaja Kamaluddin called upon his Indian brethren to collect the means to allow the free circulation of his Islamic Review among Members of Parliament and within the Church as well as the numerous clubs and libraries of Great Britain. More than simple lobbying work, he expressed the ambition to undertake “the dissemination of Islam in Western lands” saying that “the trend of modern philosophy, ethics and socialism is towards Islam”. Such a self-confident attitude was shared by a growing number of intellectual, including one who lamented in a Lahore paper of 1907 that “in Muslim countries, governments as individuals have abandoned all idea of proselytism’’.

As a religious minority, Indian Muslims felt particularly threatened by the Christian missionary propaganda conducted since the beginning of the nineteenth century. Mission schools were ironically instrumental in forming the new Western educated elite that engaged itself in “counter-missionary” work. Such was the case of Khwaja Kamaluddin who, during his studies at the Forman Christian College of Lahore acquired a fairly good knowledge of the Bible. In England, the eloquent barrister was particularly willing to engage in Islamo-Christian debates. On several occasions he was requested to address Christian audiences about Islam and in July 1913 he traveled to Paris to speak at an Interfaith Congress convened by liberal Christians. After the war, the founder of the Woking Mission adopted an increasingly polemical discourse targeting evangelists like Samuel Zwemer who was accused of engineering “slanders against Islam” On the one hand, Lahori missionaries questioned the validity of the Christian scriptures by raising contradictions and variations in the accounts of the four Evangelists or mocking some doctrines like the Trinity or the virgin birth of Jesus. The defence of Islam, on the other hand, focused mainly on questions such as the authenticity of the Quranic revelation, holy war, slavery, polygamy and the position of women.

On Kamaluddin’s rhetorical talents, it is interesting to quote the opinion of William (Muhammad) Marmaduke Pickthall. The famous British convert stated that “he had a gift for summing up a train of arguments in striking form” and unlike much polemical writing it is not devoid of literary grace”. Khwaja Kamaluddin showed a true ability to reach an audience having little or no knowledge of Islam, a quality chat, according to Pickthall, was lacking in most Muslim missionary publications of the time. Even within the same movement, there was a noticeable difference between publications from Woking and the ones issued in Lahore. Commenting on a book by Maulana Muhammad Ali, the same Pickthall stressed that its argument and style were the ones fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence), which “differ from that of Christian polemics and can only he appreciated in the West by the few who have already made some study of Islâm”. Muslim missions in Europe brought a true added value to the worldwide effort of Islamic propaganda by publishing a popular kind of literature rather like those question/answer dialogues and compilations containing favourable references to Islam from famous Western writers.

keep reading – covering role of Woking Mission, Lord Headley, Saddaruddin, SM Abdullah, Berlin Mission, Muhammad Ali, AAIIL, Mirza Hashim Ispahani, Boras, Memons, Muslim Princesses, Muslim women and many more…

 

Review of Religions, May and June of 1939, Professor Clement Lindley Wragge’s interview of MGA from 1908

Intro
Professor Clement Lindley Wragge was a renowned astronomer of his time. He lived in England, but in 1908 was visiting India as part of his world tour during which he gave lectures on astronomy to very large audiences. In May 1908, he stayed in Lahore for a short period. There he gave a lecture which was well attended, especially by many highly placed English people.  Mufti Mohammad Sadiq was also present and he met the professor after the lecture. He briefly explained to Professor Raig the proofs and arguments put forward by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) in support of his claim to be the Promised Messiah of his time. Upon hearing these the Professor wished to meet Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) straight away. Mufti Sahib sought first to arrange a time with Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) who gave his permission; the meeting took place after Zuhr prayers on 12th May 1908. Mufti Mohammad Sadiq acted as the interpreter and the conversation was originally recorded in Urdu.  The dialogues between the two are recorded in the Malfūzāt, the discourses of Ghulam Ahmad. Some of his followers believe that Wragge had converted to Islam and stayed a Muslim until his death. Proof of his conversion is cited by Ahmadiyya Muslim scholars in the form of letters written to Mufti Muhammad Sadiq, a companion of Ghulam Ahmad, by Prof. Wragge after his meeting with Ghulam Ahmad at Lahore.[12] However, more personal family records suggest that Wragge remained a theosophist up until his death in 1922.[13]

Why did Ahmadi’s lie and write that he converted to Ahmadiyya?
In typical Ahmadiyya pattern, Mufti Muhammad Sadiq claimed that Professor Clement Lindley Wragge converted to Ahmadiyya, Zafrullah Khan said the same.  The family of the Professor ended up telling the world that he was a theosophist.  Nevertheless, Ahmadiyya unofficial website people still claim that Wragge converted to Ahmadiyya in 1917.  Per Zikr-e-Habib, Muft Muhammad Sadiq claims that Wragge converted to Ahmadiyya while Sadiq was in England (1917).  However, this is a total lie.

The PDF work
ROR-1939

Links and Related Essays
https://www.alislam.org/library/malfoozat/professor-raig-meets-the-promised-messiah/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Lindley_Wragge

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Sadiq

https://www.alislam.org/ismael/Jan-Mar-2017-EN.pdf

https://whyahmadi.org/converts-accounts/account-of-professor-clement-lindley-wragge.html

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Zikr-e-Habib

Related ROR archives
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/16/the-review-of-religions-ror-of-november-1931-front-page-and-pages-290-291/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/16/the-review-of-religions-ror-of-january-1932-pages-30-34images/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/03/a-misconception-removed-by-mga-from-1901-published-in-english-in-the-ror-of-1922/

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Hani Tahir has written a new document (available in english), as he exposes the internal workings of Ahmadiyya


Intro
Our beloved brother and Ex-Ahmadi Hani Tahir has recently released an english document via Google Docs.

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leaving ahmadiyya (1)

Any answer from Arabic desk or markaz or khalifa will be mentioned on the  chronological list shown below. Everything mentioned here is substantiated and supported by the actual email and documents which include the book of the text, the edition, the page or chapter, even in the malfouzat or newspapers of ahmadiyya or any ahmadiyya publication, it is all referenced in the original email which I can send to anyone upon his/her request. This doc. is useful for English speaking people too who have no idea yet what is going on. Again, to build your own opinion, you need to read it in sequence of dates to understand how and when events took place. All other books of ahmadiyya which we all believed in did not answer any of this new knowledge which has been discovered and uncovered in the last couple of years.

this document will show the different quranic interpretations between MGA (mirza ghulam ahmad) and the 2nd khalifa; as well, with the 4th khalifa.

will show you how they ignore members and give them false, unfulfilled promises on questions they have no answer to it and do not want to investigate it.

will show you the behavior of the officials especially in collecting money.

will show you the false unfulfilled promises given to me by the khalifa and the men around him who are all complicit in a cover-up.

will show you how they interpret prophecies which obviously were not fulfilled and fabricate them.

will show you how they declare false numbers about the number of ahmadis worldwide.

will show you the silly ridiculous reason for not accepting to debate brother hani taher who challenged them so many times.

will show you words and sentences and phrases used by MGA that will make the hair on your head stand up, i.e. calling the wife of his cousin a whore, insulting the egyptians and calling people as homosexuals……. etc.

will show you the unbelievable letter MGA sent to queen victoria.

will show you why an official asked me not to write anymore to the arabs.

will show you in ahmadiyya books references mentioned to the quran or hadith, but in fact they do not exist in the quran nor in the hadith.

will show you the similarities between jamaat’s interpretations of verses of the quran; as well, prophets’ stories and the interpretation by sayyed ahmad khan.

will show you how they never answered hani’s points which i sent to them in hani’s four books; as well, tens upon tens of emails..

will show you how jamaat deletes and removes certain sentences said by MGA from one edition to the other once they find out the harm or discrepancy in the words, i.e. the appendix of khutba ilhamiyya was removed from edition 2009.

will show you the hundreds of arabic poetic phrases used by MGA which were taken from different arab poets.

will show you many rhetoric and grammar mistakes in the arabic language of MGA.

will show you the hundreds of mistakes in MGA’s poems discovered by a scholarly arab poet; as well, discovered by hani taher.

will show you the tens of arabs who left ahmadiyya and their testimonies.

Will show you where MGA said that the Ahmadi who does not participate in AL-WASSIYA is a hypocrite. In other words, ahmadis who do not pay 10% of their monthly salary are hypocrites. Bahishti maqbara used to be in qadyan; then, moved to rabwah and now it is in Toronto.

Will show you even much more. Again, I stand behind each and every word in this document and I have the proof and more than willing to provide you with any details. I am doing this to show you the truth and to show you that my decision to leave ahmadiyya was not taken lightly nor fast ; rather, consciously and after deliberate thorough and long investigation. Bearing in mind that I was born an Ahmadi and I am 72 years old, that is, I have known and witnessed many ahmadis at different levels and I read almost all ahmadiyya books, but again we did not know about the knowledge revealed to us in the last couple of years because we have had no access to it and because we were blind in our love to ahmadiyya. We fear god almighty who commands us to tell and follow the truth.

 

On feb. 4, 2011 told them that 4th khalifa on a video liqaa with arabs dated 06/11/1997 interpreted the verses 41:10-13 differently from commentary book.

On feb. 6, 2011 told them that 4th khalifa on a video liqaa with arabs dated 24/04/1997 criticized the interpretation of the commentary book about verse 40:51 and used very harsh words about the interpretation in the commentary book, he said “it is irrelevant”, “far more misleading than explanatory”, “no justification for attributing to readers this absurdity”.

On feb. 7, 2011 told them that 4th khalifa on a video liqaa with arabs dated 16/04/1997 said something about verse 39:69 different from what is in the commentary book, on part of it he said that it is his guess work.

On feb. 8, 2011 told them that 4th khalifa on a video liqaa with arabs dated 26/03/1997 disagreed with the commentary book about the interpretation of verse 65:13.

On feb. 17, 2011 told them that 4th khalifa on a video liqaa with arabs dated 11/10/1995 talked about cloning and freezing the human body even for 100 years while still alive and bringing him back to life later on. I asked about the soul in these two cases.

On 29/03/2011 told them that there is different interpretations for the Arabic word DABBAH between 4th khalifa, commentary and pm.

On 08/04/2011  and  09/04/2011  jamaat says even peaceful demonstrations are not allowed,I asked the question as follows:

SINCE GOD IS NOT GOING TO GUIDE THE TYRANTS AS PER MANY VERSES OF THE QURAN; THEN,  WHAT’S THE POINT OF PREACHING TO THEM? IF GOD WILL NOT GUIDE THEM, AND I HAVE TO OBEY PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY ALL THE TIME, CAN I SAY I SHOULD BECOME SUBMISSIVE TO ALL KINDS OF TRANSGRESSION BY THE PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY, OBEY THEM AND DO NOTHING, OTHER THAN JUST PRAYING? 

on 12/04/2011  told them that they use two verses only from the quran from which they say there are other  creatures on other planets, but they never used the words intelligent creatures. do they have quranic verses that specifically mention intelligent creatures, since they already differ about the meaning of DABBAH. I provided my own research to prove that there are quranic verses.

on 16/05/2011 asked them if there is a quranic proof about the creation of  satan as a created being. no answer. sent them my own research .

on 14/06/2011 after laying down the premises, I asked if everything in the universe has a soul?

on 19/06/2011 I asked about the difference in the Arabic usage of the two words in Arabic  ما  and  من   I provided my research about it.

on 26/08/2011 I complained about the practices used to collect the money to build markaz in Toronto at the time of the 4th khalifa. it was deceitful tactics.

on 12/09/2011 I sent two researches of mine about day of judgement and end of the chain of time.

on 17/09/2011 sent my research about the usage of  ما  , من ,  دابة

on 14/11/2011 asked why the earth in Arabic never used in plural in quran. submitted my opinion too.

on 29/11/2011   asked about the Islamic point of view about transgender people since the quran says that god created either a male or female. What are transgenders at birth?

On 27/08/2012 asked about the quranic proof if any about a created being called iblis? Provided my research.

On 20/10/2012 provided two researches about heavens and earth of paradise and hell and the other about heavens and earth of paradise and hell and eternity of man.

On 20/10/2012 submitted my research about suras of al-muqataat.

On 21/01/2013  told them the different explanations between the pm, commentary book and 4th khalifa whether birds and animals be resurrected and requited? Pm says yes, commentary book says no; then, if yes, will they be punished or rewarded?

On 11/07/2013 submitted my two researches one about doomsday and the future of life on earth and the other about life on earth after doomsday.

On 11/11/2013 provided numerical proof re. isra and miraj.

On 15/02/2014 asked them about the reason that we never ever hear anything from jamaat’s dar-ifta.

On 22/04/2014 asked if paradise and hell occupy the same space even though divided by a partition as per verse 7:47.

On 11/05/2015 asked if muslims are allowed to have quranic verse on them while in the washroom, for example, ahmadis having a ring with a quranic verse on the finger.

On 05/08/2015 asked if there had been multiple big bangs or just one.

On 08/10/2015 I sent a doc. to the khalifa in it I put the dates of over 100 articles which I have written but no response even from him, reminded him of the following too:

On March 16,2007 I sent you (the khalifa) a document about my numerical findings re. Zu—Qarnain from Sura Al-kahf, your response was to keep this to myself only. You did not explain to me why, even though my findings were purely scientific, i.e. proofs by numbers.

On April 25, 2011 I asked you (the khalifa) if I can send some articles which include my findings so you can guide me to the right answer. On May 23, 2011 I received your response allowing me to send you these articles. On June 10/2011 I sent you the articles after getting your permission. I waited about 10 months, but have not received any response from you. On March 31, 2012 I sent you another letter asking you to remember me and give me a response to satisfy my curiousity, but to no avail. Until now I have not received your response re. my articles.

Even earlier than that on March 9, 2009 I asked you  (the khalifa) about Shaytan and Iblees and you told me that you have a busy schedule, and directed me to ask a specific missionary, which I did and he was very happy and as he said “honored” because you chose him to answer my question. After a while contacted again that missionary, he told me about his legitimate cause for the delay, but he said he will answer me as soon as possible. I am still waiting his answer since 2009, which is six years ago.

I have been told by some people to send my questions to Dar Al-Ifta, but when I asked them about the address of Dar Al-Ifta, received no response. (end of msg. to khalifa)

On 23/12/15 asked them ( arabic desk) why the quran mentioned only the names of prophets who were all born in the middle east?

On 01/05/2016 asked them (Arabic desk) if we are born of water or of clay or of dust?

On 01/05/2016 asked them what should we do if we are fought against our religion, taking in consideration verses  60:9-10?

On 08/05/2016 asked if jihad by sword is forbidden until the day of judgement?

On 16/05/2016 asked about the whereabouts of brother hani taher who has not appeared since almost a year.

On 25/09/2016 asked why jamaat does not declare the official number of ahmadis?

On 15/10/2016 I asked about the prophecy mentioned in al-tadhkirah:

“ …………………. Kings will invade kings. There will be so much bloodshed that the earth will be filled with blood. The subjects of all kings will also fight fearfully among themselves. There will be universal ruin and destruction. The centre of all this will be Syria.  ………………………………  It will be the time of my Promised Son”.     

on 17/10/2016  asked them about Video from hani taher dated aug. 30, 2016 about the story of al-khadr (verse 18:75) , who says that he raised the issue to the khalifa-aaba that the pm says that the story is literally correct, i.e. al-khadr killed the boy and it is not a kashef as being written by 2nd khalifa in tafseer.  

on nov. 29, 2016 received a letter from sister maha Dabbous informing me that she met with khalifa, conveyed my messages to him, he told her the following: “He said that he has asked Arabic Desk to provide you with the pdf copies of all the Arabic translations of the books of the Promised Messiah – that were not published yet. In this way you can have access to all what brother Hani is talking about and you can answer him yourself concerning the issues he has raised. I also knew from Hudhoor that the Jama’at in Rabwah is preparing detailed answers to all the points that were raised by brother Hani. These answers will be published when finalised. But it will be taking a very long time to make these ready for publication. So in the meantime you will be receiving the pdf files from Arabic Desk (hopefully soon InshaAllah) – as instructed by Hudhoor”. 

on apr. 04, 2017 I found that jamaat had published these numbers in different books , articles and press releases, here is a sample: book “welcome to ahmdiyat, the true islam”  Just last year more than 81 million men, women and children all  over the world have joined Ahmadiyyat.  M. M. Ahmad Amir Jama‘at Ahmadiyya, USA 

press release 28th June 2003 Ahmadiyya Muslims number 200 million worldwide. With 20 million accepting the faith in 2002, it is the fastest growing religious community of Islam in the world. .  the 200 million was mentioned in more books , articles and press releases than the 81 million.   

on 10/05/2017  I asked about the hadiths which talk about the coming of jesus who will get married and have children, but hani taher says the hadiths do not exist in bukhari, nor muslim, nor alsunnan, nor in ahmad, nor in malek, not even in any of the known hadiths books ; therefore, a hadith that does not exist in any of these books has no value.

on 14/05/2017 I asked the following: if cloning is considered interference in the creation of god; then, why did god breathe the soul into the cloned animal or human being?

on 09/07/2017 I asked the following: the pm-as wrote in the Arabic book hamamat al-bushra on page 162 that adam-as used to marry his son to his daughter which is unacceptable nowadays but they were obliged at that time. in the second book   (التحفة الغلروية)   he says OUR adam-as is the father of all human beings who was 4739 hijri years and 4598  a.d. before the hp-pbuh. since jamaat says that at the time of adam-as there were other inhabitants too, it means that the pm-as believed that. how do we know that the children of adam did not marry from the decendants of the inhabitants who were before adam-as?

on 16/07/2017 I sent a comprehensive letter to the khalifa about the reasons for not answering me, himself nor Arabic desk nor missionaries.

on 04/08/2017 asked them about the reason for not debating hani taher.

on 27/08/2017  notified them about the exaggeration of some Ahmadi officials.

on 09/10/2017 asked them why all khalifas keep mentioning in Friday sermons the number of converts to ahmadiyyah but never heard any khalifa mention that an Ahmadi found a new meaning in a quranic verse.

on 23/10/2017 told them that I find interesting points in some verses of the quran, but no one in jamaat wants to respond to me.

on 30/10/2017 and 09/06/2018 sent them hani’s email and pm’s doc. and asked this:

the pm-as described the wife of his cousin as a whore in the third edition of book al-tadhkirah, but it was removed in the fourth edition. brother hani received a response from an Ahmadi that the sentence was removed by mistake.  why the sentence still exists in the English fourth edition but not in the edition on the website?

on 29/04/2018  I copied few examples from hani’s pdf called  أخلاق الميرزا   (morals of the mirza) sent it to them and asked about it:

Why would the promised messiah call people who do not believe in him as sons of prostitutes.? Why would he say that any book other than the quran would be like the behind (bottom/butt) of a woman? Why would he describe a man like feces (poo/shit)? Why would he say if you remove the poo/shit from the toilet but some of its particles remained, would you eat there? Why would he say that god did not call Egypt the land of the arabs, and Egypt is within the lands of  العجم  and their dialect is the worse Arabic dialect? Why would he say that the son who does not grieve the death of his father, would be better if he was born a female? Why would he say to someone, you are not a man; rather, you are less in status than a woman? Why would he say that the revelations of the liars would be said in a low voice like the voice of the thieves, the homosexuals and the women because the shaytan is a thief, a homosexual and a woman? Why would he say to a man, you are like a woman, your opinion is incomplete  ناقص   like the opinion of the women, you are incomplete, you father and grandfather are also incomplete? Why would he say if a wife gives birth to girls only; then, the husband has the right to marry another wife?.

on 30/04/2018  I translated a short email from hani and asked them the following: In 1905 the promised messiah said in his book AL-BARAHEEN – part five: If a severe scourge (severe calamity) does not emerge, which will shake the world, and be in the form of an earthquake according to the appearance of the words of the revelation, but appeared a normal thing the world has always seen, and is not extraordinary and not a model of resurrection in fact, or this incident did not appear in my lifetime; then, you can say that I lied on the beats of the drums and consider me scandalous. The purpose of this great incident is that it will be a model of resurrection, the world will be destroyed in a flash, and thousands of people will enter my community (book of AL-BARAHEEN – part five).

Has an incident happened during the lifetime of the promised messiah which was a model of resurrection and destroyed the world in a flash? please advise.

on 04/05/2018  asked to answer 16 questions raised by hani taher.

on 05/05/2018  sent them a doc. named  سلسلة تساؤلات للأحمديين واضحة وسهلة  from hani taher which contains several questions.

on 06/05/2018 asked them about the letter from pm to queen Victoria written in his book    (نجم القيصرة)   which was raised by hani taher. i asked the following:

It’s true that the british under the rule of queen Victoria did not allow the sikhs and others to slaughter the muslims, but still, they are occupiers of india as they were occupiers to Palestine , Egypt, Iraq ….. etc.

Why would the mahdi/promised messiah/prophet from god say to a lady queen this:

“I love you from the depths, in my heart love and greatness in particular. My prayers for you are going on day and night like running water. We do not obey you under the pressure of politics, but your many advantages have attracted our heart”.

Was the mahdi/promised messiah/prophet from god really praying day and night for the queen like running water?

Why would the mahdi/promised messiah/prophet from god say to a lady queen this:

“God’s eyes are focused on a country where you think. The hand of God’s mercy is on the people who have your hand. God sent me because of your good intentions to re-establish the ways of piety and virtuous virtues and reconciliation”.

How did he know that god’s eyes are where the queen’s eyes are? How did he know that the hand of god’s mercy is where the queen’s hand is? Why would he say to the queen that god had sent him because of her to establish piety and virtues? We thought that god sent him to break the cross and kill the pig …… not because of the queen, who is an occupier, regardless if she was protecting the muslims. By the way, she was protecting her interests in india and other muslim countries which are under her occupation, not for the sake of muslims only.

On 07/05/2018  received email from amir Canada lal khan sahib to meet me and my two brothers Hussein and jalal with momin taher sahib and himself upon instructions from the khalifa. I refused to meet because I told them that I’ve attended many meetings, I need action.

Later on I received phone calls from amir lal and momin taher asking me to again meet with me because the khalifa has instructed him. They said they will come to Halifax where I live which is about 1500 km. from montreal where my brothers live.

We met in Halifax on 16/05/2018 in the presence also of abdul razzaq Qureshi, president of Halifax jamaat. we discussed only things related to the responses mainly to hani’s. momin sahib said that they are in the process of translation the responses from rabwah and will be published in a comprehensive book. I asked them to ask the khalifa the following:

can musleh maoud make a mistake in the interpretation of a quranic verse?

can any khalifa make a mistake in the interpretation of a quranic verse?

can a khalifa elaborate or have additional info. about the interpretation of a quranic verse?

can two khalifas have complete different interpretations to the same quranic verse?

has any khalifa received WAHI , not ilham and not vision? if yes, who did?

is the khalifa considered a mujaddid? if yes, what is the main duty of the mujaddid? should the mujaddid find additional interpretations of quranic verses that suit the time? if not; then, how can we say that quran is for all times?

is it possible that a member of jamaat finds a secret in a quranic verse not found by any of the khalifas? if yes, has any Ahmadi done that?

is it possible that some of the prophecies written in the book  tadhkirah been mistakenly written or being exaggerated?

is it possible that some sayings by some ahmadis that the pm-as had said it would be wrong, if it is written in jamaat’s books?

what is the reason for not debating hani taher?

is jamaat preparing a book of responses to hani’s accusations? if yes, who will do it? how long till we see it? will it be on jamaat’s website? has the khalifa ordered it? will it include all accusations?

I received a letter later on from the khalifa in which he answered the above questions.

At the end of the meeting momin taher sahib asked me not to write anymore to the arabs (I was sending emails mainly to arabs in kababeer), I agreed on the basis that he will send me rabwah’s responses which eventually will be published into a comprehensive book.

On 11/05/2018  asked based on an email from hani the following:

is it true that an Ahmadi told the king Abdul Aziz bin souood of Saudi arabia (founder of Saudi arabia) in 1932 that the hp-pbuh hinted in a hadith that Saudi arabia has oil (petrolium); then, the king held a meeting and hired a company to discover the oil? (مجلة التقوى ابريل 2009، نقلا عن مجلة “النور”، فبراير 2009 ص 35- 36).

12/05/2018  sent them hani’s email and asked them the following:

please respond to hani’s accusation as shown below by proof according to him that the promised messiah did not learn Arabic in one night and the promised messiah never said during his life that he learned Arabic in one night; rather, jamaat said that after his death. please read what’s written below and tell us the truth.

On 14/05/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

following are samples of quranic interpretations which are similar between the scholar sayyed ahmad khan who lived at the time of the promised messiah and the interpretations of jamaat during the lifetime of the 2nd khalifa who wrote these interpretations. brother hani taher says that jamaat stole their interpretations from sayyed ahmad khan.

On 14/05/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

following are samples of quranic interpretations of sayyed ahmad khan in English. according to brother hani the Urdu texts did not appear for technical reasons.

On 21/05/2018 received email from momin taher sahib showing the link to responses from jamaat. Wrote him back the following:

I received all your six emails with the attachments too. I have already read these replies long time ago. you are saying that you are in the process of posting more responses on the Arabic website, will these new responses be the ones coordinated between you and rabwah, which would each be considered the official response to hani’s accusation as being requested by the khalifa?

On 22/05/2018 sent them email from hani and asked the following question:

from the text shown below seems to be a confusing message or declaration. It is not known if there are any messiahs after Mirza ghulam ahmad or is there only one messiah according to him, and who is this second messiah and when will he appear? Note that the Ahmadis do not count 2nd khalifa as the second messiah, nor call him so. the 2nd khalifa did not declare that he was the representative of this second messiah, but declared that he was only the promised Son.

On 23/05/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

the promised messiah says that there are expressive phrases and proverbs in the quran extracted from the poems of the pre-Islamic poets; as well, he says that it is a big list. the promised messiah said in his book  (نزول المسيح):

“If this is theft, there is this kind of theft in the word of God too.regardless of people’s talk. if you extract from the holy quran the expressive phrases and proverbs mentioned in the poems of the pre-islamic poets, there would be a long list. Investigators, however, never consider these matters to be contested”.

what are these phrases and proverbs in the quran that were used by pre-Islamic poets? is there a big list? does this mean that god had to borrow these phrases and proverbs from pre-Islamic poets?

On 23/05/2018 received email from momin taher sahib which says:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم نحمده ونصلي على رسوله الكريم وعلى عبده المسيح الموعود

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

نعم قد بدأنا العمل بالتنسيق مع الاخوة في ربوة

الدعاء الدعاء

والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

مؤمن

On 23/05/2018 received email from momin taher which says:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم نحمده ونصلي على رسوله الكريم وعلى عبده المسيح الموعود

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

أخي الكريم

ارسل لكم من أجل التسلية ولمعرفة حقيقة هذا الشخص، رسالة كتبها  أخ أحمدي ردًا عليه حين حاول هذا إغواءه.

والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

مؤمن

it was a shallow silly email from a man named karazan Ibrahim and I told momin about it.

On 03/06/2018 sent them hani’s book (85 pages) about the Arabic mistakes in the pm’s books.

On 06/06/2018 sent them hani’s email from which I summarized the following:

summary of the important points in the Arabic email shown bellow is as follows:

The pm said that jesus suffered back pains during crucifixion; as well, he too suffered back pains. (التذكرة، ص 441، نقلا عن الحكم 11/5/1902)

The pm said that jesus spoke in the cradle but his son Mubarak spoke twice while in his mother’s belly.  (ترياق القلوب)

The pm said that even though god’s grace on him is greater than god’s grace on jesus and even though the mission appointed to him is greater than jesus’s mission , but I consider him my brother, I have visited him frequently, even once we ate beef together from the same pot; then, the pm says, I am from god and jesus is from me. (الملفوظات نقلا عن الحكم مجلد6، رقم 29، صفحة 6-12، عدد 17/8/1902)

On 08/06/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

why did jamaat delete the sentence said by the pm to mir sahib “I have been infected by cholera” which was written in the original version in (حياة ناصر، ص 14، ترجمة د.البراء هلال)

on 09/06/2018 sent hani’s email and asked the following:

I have previously forwarded to you hani’s emails in which he sees that the pm died by cholera. hani summarized it here by four points as shown below substantiated by a western writer who wrote about the spread of cholera in certain areas of india as follows:

Epidemics in Colonial Punjab by Sasha Tandon, Panjab University, Chandigarh. Twelve major cholera epidemics broke out in the Punjab between 1866 and 1921, affecting all its areas and killing 2,49,050 people. On an average, 4,357 people died of cholera annually. The districts most affected by cholera were Gujranwala, Hazara, Rawalpindi, Ambala, Gurgaon, Lahore, Jalandhar.

On 13/06/2018 sent them hani’s email which I summarized its main objective as follows:

why the appendix of khutba ilhamiyya was removed in edition of 2009.

according to hadiths a high minarette should be erected east of the mosque.therefore, almasjid alaqsa is not meant to be the one in Jerusalem; rather, the masjid of the pm. all of the above confirms the ilham the pm recceived twenty years ago that qadian is mentioned in the quran as was written in baraheen ahmadiyya. the cost of erecting the minarette is not less than ten thousand rupees.

On 16/06/2018 sent them link to hani’s video and wrote:

brother hani has shown so far more than 600 mistakes in the Arabic language of the pm, which I have already sent to you in previous emails. further more, in this video he shows the wrong usage of     أم   or   أو   by the pm. I am not knowledgeable in the Arabic langusge nor in its grammar, but some of the mistakes mentioned by hani we know them as arabs that they are mistakes, we know them by the ear, as is the case in this video. what’s rabwah’s answer to this? we’re still waiting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZACs9XunNY

 

on 19/06/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

personally never heard in my life the word  تنقيد  , but I heard and used the word نَقْد , I do not know from where the pm derived the word  تنقيد  .  please advise.

on 20/06/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

so far so many mistakes in Arabic in the pm’s books that are obvious even to me as shown below too unless jamaat tells us otherwise. until now we have not heard any response about the Arabic mistakes and other mistakes since a very long time, what is going on? jamaat needs to put direct OFFICIAL responses to these accusations on the official Arabic website. there are so many mistakes so far, you need to defend yourselves, the pm, the khalifa, the members, the truth, islam, pride and dignity.

on 21/06/2018 sent them hani’s email and asked the following:

the pm used the Arabic word الخُلوص  instead of الإخلاص  because the word  الخُلوص  in Urdu means الإخلاص

on 22/06/2018 received email from abdul momin taher sahib accusing hani of ignorance about Arabic language, stating his quick reference to a couple of words.

on 22/06/2018 received email from momin sahib says the khalifa has prepared a lengthy response to my questions which I should receive within two. (I did receive the email from the khalifa in which he answered my questions which I submitted to momin sahib when we met in Halifax. (the response was in Arabic).

on 25/06/2018 wrote to them addressing momin sahib re. khalifa’s responses to my questions, I said: Respected brother momin taher sahib,  Assalamu alaykum,

Thank you for sending khalifa’s response to my questions, I have some reservations regarding some answers especially re. debating hani, but I just could not swallow the answer to question 14 which is as follows:

(21) Sahibzadah Pir Sirajul-Haqqra narrates that once the Promised Messiahas said: God has conveyed to me that there would be a great split in my Movement as well, and mischief makers and those who are the slaves of their own desires will depart. Then God Almighty will bring this split to an end. But those who deserve being cut off, as being unconnected with the truth and given to mischief, will be cut off. Then there will be a great uprising in the world. That would be the first uprising. Kings will invade kings. There will be so much bloodshed that the earth will be filled with blood. The subjects of all kings will also fight fearfully among themselves. There will be universal ruin and destruction. The centre of all this will be Syria. 

Addressing Sahibzadah Sirajul-Haqqra directly, the Promised Messiaha continued: 

It will be the time of my Promised Son. God has decreed these events in connection with him. Thereafter our Movement will spread and kings will become members of the Movement. Be sure to recognize the Promised One.  [Tadhkiratul-Mahdi, part 2, new ed., p. 274] .

Khalifa’s answer that mousleh maoud said the prophecy was fulfilled during his time and nowadays events might be applicable to the prophecy.

The short answer that WWI and WWII or any other events, Syria or bilad alsham were not affected by it , the two world wars were taking place in Europe and other places, not even in the whole of middle east. On top of that, kings were not invading kings in Syria or bilad alsham nor so much bloodshed happened in Syria that the earth was filled with blood as per prophecy. There was universal ruin and destruction but not in Syria; consequently, Syria was not the center of all of this.

The khalifa also says that today’s events could be considered a fullfilment of the prophecy, but it is not the time of the promised son as per prophecy.

an Ahmadi wrote me and he thinks that it might mean the following :

any event taking place in any Khalifa’s time related to these major events, could be considered as happening in the time of the Promised son. my response to him:

since khilafat is ever lasting until the day of judgement; then, this invasion of kings to other kings and the bloodshed ….. etc. can happen any time from now until the day of judgement. if that is the case; then, it is not considered a prophecy when you put a span of centuries upon centuries, until the day of judgement on it.

I think that the first part of the prophecy is correct and the sentence about the time of my promised son has been misquoted.

NOTE: the khalifa mentioned in the attached answers that jamaat are preparing a book to be posted on the Arabic website, we shall be waiting impatiently.

on 29/06/2018 sent them email asking the following:

there is a hadith which says that Arabic is the language in paradise, but I do not know

how authentic is the hadith, which is as follows:

 

هناك رواية تقول: أحبوا العرب لثلاث، لأني عربي والقرآن عربي وكلام أهل الجنة عربي، وقد أخرجها الطبراني في معجميه الكبير والأوسط، والحاكم في مستدركه، والبيهقي في الشعب

as well, the promised messiah as far as I know was the only one who said that Arabic is not a language developed by humans; rather, created by god. there are these two verses in the quran, which are:

ِِ انا أَنْزَلْناهُ قُرْآناً عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ

Indeed We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an so that you may apply reason.

فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرْنَاهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ

Thus We have revealed this [Qur’an] to you in your own tongue so that they may take heed.as we know that god had revealed all other books in the language of the people of that time.the same with the quran as being said in the last verse “in your own tongue so that they may take heed”.

why god did not say also that he revealed the quran in the language he created himself and/or in the language of paradise, to give finality to the quran as the last book, and islam as the last religion, and mohammad as the last prophet; consequently, shows that god is sufficient and does not need a language developed by humans for all of the above reasons?

on 08/07/2018 sent hani’s email in which the pm says that the greatness of religion and the pride of its borders does not exist anymore except in Mecca and Medina                  ما بقي عظمةُ الدين وعزّةُ حدوده إلا في مكّة والمدينة  but hani says: I have not seen that islam has been brought back to MEDINA yet since 1400 years. according to hadiths it should take place at end of times and the pm says we are in it, but where is islam in medina? the pm says that the glory of islam are in or will be in mecca and medina.

on 10/07/2018 sent hani’s email, translated the main point:

17:59  There is not a township but We shall destroy it before the Day of Resurrection, or punish it with a severe punishment. That is written down in the Book.

according to commentary book of holy quran by jamaat it says that idolatry will spread all over the world and in consequence thereof the whole of mankind would suffer its sins and its inequities. the commentary also says that this prophecy will be after the advent of the pm and it has been fulfilled.

the verse talks about the spread of idolatry and the destruction of towns before day of judgement. so far, we have not seen the destruction of towns worldwide not by plague nor by other types of destruction; regardless, if the plague of 1347-1352 destroyed one third of europe’s towns which is different from the plague the pm is talking about, and if this is the destruction; then, it was not fulfilled at the time of the pm, but again, in the begining the pm says that qadian will be safe from plague , but in 1905 he said that plague is attacking qadian. see full details in hani’s email.

on 12/07/2018 sent hani’s email, translated main points as follows:

hani says that he is receiving many replies from linguistic arabs, some are professors, poets …. etc. and are agreeing with him on most matters. hani provided an example as shown in his email below, but most importantly I shall translate a small excerpt of what hani said which is as follows:

what I offer is easy and available, it is the following: To send my linguistic articles to professor Asaad Odeh from Kababir, a great linguist, and a scholar that has no dust on him. he is an ahmadi.  if he objects to any matter, I will immediately agree to his objection without any discussion, and I will delete any error of Mirza’s errors if he says that it is not wrong, provided that he publishes his objection on facebook to enable people to see it. even if abdel-momin taher publishes an article on facebook under his name, and took any of my articles with evidence, I will publish his article to the people, and I will immediately retract any error proved to me. What do they want more? This has been an offer since the first day, but I have repeatedly asked assa’ad odeh to intervene to stop this farce, but he did not intervene.

it is obvious that hani is saying that assad odeh is highly qualified, even giving us the impression that assad odeh is more qualified than hani. why assad did not reply at all to hani and why jamaat does not ask asaad odeh to respond to hani on the linguistic matters? it smells very bad, real real bad.

if jamaat does not respond officially to the linguistic matters raised by hani within four weeks, would it be fair to say that god did not really teach the pm the Arabic language? god cannot make all these mistakes in Arabic unless you show us otherwise, so far, for two years jammat has failed to defend itself and failed to defend the pm about being taught by god the Arabic language.

on 17/07/2018 sent them hani’s email which is a letter from pm to queen Victoria and wrote the following comment to them:

the email sent below by hani which is a letter to queen Victoria in which he describes her as if she is god’s gift to the human race and praising her like she is a saint and god sent the pm because of her ………… etc. it is too much to swallow.

I was on the Arabic website reading the sayings of the pm about the signs of the end of times, where he confirms that gog/magog are the Russians and the british and the dajjals are the priests who are spreading all the lies ……….. etc. as well, he says that gog/magog as per hp-pbuh will appear from the east side of india.

I just wonder, if the brits represent gog/magog and their priests are the dajjal and will appear east of india which was under queen Victoria’s rule; then, why the pm had to elevate her to such a status close to sainthood and use sentences like I love you from the bottom of my heart and he says he srays for her day and night like running water and the angels are helping her ……… etc. that’s too much for me to swallow.

on 17/07/2018  received email from momin sahib and responded as follows:

respected brother momin taher sahib, assalamu alaykum,

you are sending me an article by nashwan mogeb from yemen which has no date on it. as far as I know that he left ahmadiyya without mentioning the reasons.

is it possible that he wrote this article before he left? beside that, the article is shallow and has no substance and I do not think it is a good idea to send it to anyone because the quick and short answer that hani and akarma left after knowing new facts as per their say. debate them and respond to their questions is the objective response. I am still waiting for jamaat’s comprehensive book that will handle all of hani’s allegations as you have promised. that is the right articles to distribute. we’re waiting.

on 18/07/2018  I received a confirmation from the Arabic desk that soon they will -publish new responses to hani’s accusations. I hope that they concentrate on the Arabic language hani is raising because it is very critical.

on 18/07/2018  sent them hani’s email and commented as follows:

6 arabs from Egypt left ahmadiyya. 2 arabs from lebanon left ahmadiyya. 2 arabs from syria left ahmadiyya.more than five family members from Algeria left ahmadiyya.

the above names are shown on hani’s facebook and more. probably there are more that we do not know of.  I am mentioning this again and again, since you do not want to debate hani, and unless you put out a comprehensive book that handles all of hani’s accusations, there will be more and more arabs leaving ahmadiyya. there is no point of sending me an article by an ex-ahmadi , meaning , someone who just left ahmadiyya even though he still praises them. you should not be proud of him, you should be ashmed of him because he left ahmadiyya.

on 19/07/2018 received letter from momin sahib in which he says that he raised my concerns about the behavior of the Ahmadi lord named ahmad who is a member in the English parliament where he raised or stood under the flag of LGBT (homosexuality) in the british embassy in Algeria. the khalifa denounced his actions and will not allow him anymore to appear on mta. (I can submit this letter).

on 19/07/2018 sent hani’s email and commented as follows:

please see the link to hani’s book re. pm’s Arabic language shown below in hani’s email,   hopefully the new official responses to some of hani’s accusations include at least 500 kg. out of the ton kg. raised by hani. hopefully it is new other than the ones already on the Arabic website and hopefully it includes the comments re. language from the Ahmadi linguistic arab scholar assad odeh.

another hope, please let us know once it is published or would be more appreciated if you can send it to me. please separate the old responses from the new ones, do not mix them.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QNSaGuNpag3GYRM2uiJS81FQrImuSHWH/view

 

on 23/07/2018 sent hani’s email which is about a wahi (ilham) received by an Ahmadi official. I commented as follows: another official Ahmadi received a wahi while layind down in bed on his right side, he heard a voice in Arabic which says    سنأكله في تسع   (we shall eat him in nine) and from it the official understood that allah will severely punish hani taher very soon.

I am not disputing the true dreams or visions or wahi but we need official responses to hani’s official accusations rather than keep spreading visions and wahi or even dreams about the destruction and punishment of hani. jamaat has had a lot of wahi and visions, it’s time to receive at least one wahi about the meanings of the Arabic language.

 

on 23/07/2018 sent hani’s email in which he quoted texts from different books of the pm in which he claims that the events were mentioned in the quran, hadiths and other authentic sources. I commented as follows:

jamaat needs to provide proof to what has been said by the pm which is highlighted in yellow, which has been attributed to the quran, hadiths, holy persons and publishers.where are these texts from the quran, hadiths, holy persons and publishers?

 

on 23/07/2018 sent hani’s email which shows contradiction between the pm and 2nd khalifa. I commented as follows:

 فَٱنطَلَقَا حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا لَقِيَا غُلَـٰمً۬ا فَقَتَلَهُ ۥ قَالَ أَقَتَلۡتَ نَفۡسً۬ا زَكِيَّةَۢ بِغَيۡرِ نَفۡسٍ۬ لَّقَدۡ جِئۡتَ شَيۡـًٔ۬ا نُّكۡرً۬ا

(18:75) So they journeyed on till, when they met a young boy, he slew him. Moses said, ‘Hast thou slain an innocent person without his having slain any one? Surely, thou hast done a hideous thing!’

following are five excerpts from five different books written by the pm in which he says that the boy was literally killed, which fully contradicts what the 2nd khalifa said in his tafseer of quran.

 

the V khalifa said to hani that we should go by what the pm says. if that is the case, is it possible that musleh maoud has other interpretations which contradict the pm?

is it possible that the promised son, musleh maoud can make a critical mistake in the interpretation of a quranic verse? he is musleh maoud, chosen by god.

 

please include in your official response an answer to this question, beside the responses to the Arabic language used by the pm. thank you very much.

ن “الخضر” الذي لم يكن نبيا قد أُعطِي من لدنه سبحانه علما، هل كان إلهامه أيضا ظنيا لا يقينيا؟ فلماذا إذن قتل غلاما بغير وجه حق؟ (نزول المسيح)

“كافة المحدَّثين والصوفيين الذين تصبّغوا بصبغة المعرفة الكاملة والتفقه التام، يعتقدون بقناعة تامةٍ بحُجيّة الإلهام والكشف…. إن الذي خرق السفينة وقتل الولَد البريء – كما ورد في القرآن الكريم – كان ملهَما فقط، ولم يكن نبيا“. (إزالة الأوهام)

“القصة المذكورة في القرآن الكريم عن “آدم” صفي الله، أن الملائكة اعترضوا عليه وقالوا لله تعالى: (أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَنْ يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَاءَ) تضم في طياتها نبوءة أن الكُمَّل سوف يتعرضون للطعن دائما. ولهذا السبب أورد الله تعالى قصة الخَضِر عليه السلام أيضا في القرآن الكريم ليعلَمَ الناسُ أن شخصا يقتل غيره بغير وجه حق ويتلف أموال اليتامى قصدا، ومع ذلك يُعدُّ من الصالحين والأصفياء عند الله”. (ترياق القلوب)

 “فبناء على ذلك العلم القطعي واليقيني قام الخضر أمام موسى بأعمال كانت تبدو خلاف الشريعة في الظاهر. فقد خرق السفينة، وقتل الغلام، وتحمل عناء عمل غير ضروري دون أجر…. والمعلوم أنه لو لم يكن ما عند الخضر إلا الظنيات، لما جاز له أن يقوم بالأعمال المنكَرة والمعارضة للشرع صراحةً اعتمادًا على مجرد الظن”. (البراهين الثالث)

 :ثبت من الأحاديث الشريفة مدائح كثيرة عن نقاء استعداد إبراهيم فلذة كبد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي توفي في صغره وفطرته الصديقية، كما يظهر من القرآن الكريم حالة خُبث جِبِلّة ذلك الغلام الذي قتله الخضر في صغر سنه”. (الإعلان الأخضر)

on 25/07/2018 sent hani’s email in which he says that the pm believes that revival of dead people to life under conditions as per verse 2:259 is possible, even though he believes that the return to life was for a short period of time. the 2nd khalifa contradicts his father’s interpretation fully and says under no circumstance a dead person can be brought back to life. again, musleh maoud is chosen by god, can he be wrong?

on 26/07/2018 sent hani’s email and commented as follows: hani’s response re. prophecy about dr. abdulhalim bataliwi.

Al-Mirza published a declaration on 5/11/1907 entitled” insight ” “تبصرة”, in which he wrote that he received from God Almighty a gospel saying:
“I will also lengthen your age, which will prove the lie of the enemy who says that you will die after 14 months starting from July 1907, as well as what other enemies predict, I will prove all their lies, and I will prolong your life to see that I am God and that everything is in my hands”.
(مجموعة الإعلانات مجلد 2 صفحة 720).

hani says: The Mirza died in cholera half a year after the declaration, and his age did not last as the prophecy says.  there is further details in hani’s response but it is too much to translate.

on 26/07/2018 sent hani’s email and said: hani’s response re. mubahala with dia alhaq. hani says:
on june 1988 the 4th khalifa issued the mubahala to dia alhaq; then two months later the khalifa said in a khutba on august 12, 1988 that he was wrong about asking god to destroy or kill people, instead we should pray for their guidance and mercy …… etc. after five days dia alhaq died in an air crash. hani says that the khalifa withdrew his mubahala on aug 12 1988; therefore, the death od dia alhaq is irrelevant to mubahala.

hani explains further details. too much to translate.

 

on 26/07/2018 sent hani’s email and said: further response from hani re. mubahala with dia alhaq. hani shows how jamaat’s members change the context of the actual text or khutba or declaration to suit their objective and he puts the actual texts and the fabricated ones . this is the youtube video hani posted re. mubahala with dia alhaq.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTofi_4I6w&t=1s

 

on 26/07/2018 sent them the following: respected brother momin taher, assalamu alaykum,

attached are hani’s four books about different subjects which contain tens and tens of accusations. you told me that rabwah are already sending you responses and the Arabic desk are already translating it. so far the official 4 or five responses you sent are old responses, meaning, were posted sometime ago on the Arabic website. I do not see the imprints of rabwah yet. hani is already preparing a fifth book, I think it will be about the prophecies of the pm and how they were fulfilled opposite to the prophecy itself. how come hani was able to put hundreds of accusations based on factual texts from jamaat, and how come jamaat has not been able to respond to more than 10% of it. hani has the same resources you have, what is taking you so long? also, we would like to emphasize on seeing jamaat’s responses re., the ton of accusations by hani re. Arabic language, preferably to include the arab linguist from kababeer asaad oudeh.

on 26/07/2018 amir Canada lal khan sahib sent to me and my brothers an email in which he says that the khalifa would like to meet with us in November 2018.

I sent an email saying that talk is cheap, but so far no one answered the tons of hani’s accusations. I do not buy lectures, show me the responses. where are they? you can believe whatever you want, but you should be able to defend your belief. testing, mesting, festing …… is not the answer. I am very angry because jamaat has been unable to truthfully respond to hani’s accusations. I am sick and tired of lectures without substance. just sucking up to officials does not make one more faithful than the other. show me the true responses.

on 27/07/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote them the following:

The official of governorate ASSYOUT of Egypt leaves ahmadiyya with 12 members of his family and 26 members in his governorate left ahmaiyya too. The man was an Ahmadi for the last ten years. the whole email shown below is all his, in which he explains in detail the exact reasons for leaving ahmadiyya which is basically what I have been saying all along that there has been no answers from jamaat to hani’s accusations. I hope someone translates it into English because it contains many subjects worth knowing about. I shall just say onething he mentioned which I already said too long time ago that he believes in the tafseer quran by ahmadiyya regardless if it was written by sayed ahmad khan or by the 2nd khalifa, it is strictly a personal effort but has nothing to do with wahi or ilham from god. He mentions the discrepancies between pm and 2nd khalifa, he mentions the morals of the pm, he mentions the Arabic language ………….. etc.

I have told you long time ago stop spreading your ilhams and visions about the destruction and god’s  punishment to hani, rather concentrate on providing us with real factual and direct responses, but you have not; as well, I told you long time ago that many arabs will leave ahmadiyya unless you provide these answers to hani’s accusations, but so far you have been unable to defend your belief. You have promised me that there will be a comprehensive book re. hani’s accusations, where is it? Us and our families cared about ahmadiyya for decades, but you have not shown us that you care about us nor about our families and the effect on us by not providing the true answers. What a shame.

on 28/07/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote:

this is a chance for the khalifa, the Arabic desk, the virtual dar ifta , all of rabwah to keep ahmadis especially arab ahmadis within its fold. please do not tell me about the substitute of the mahdi of the 13th century nor about visions and ilhams, just tell me on how do we defend these discrepancies , contradictions and Arabic language used by pm. you do not have much more time left before all arabs would leave ahmadiyya unless you face the accusations.

you promised me personally over the years many things but never fulfilled your promises, I did not care then, but now I need answers to hani’s thousand points. politics should not be your escape; rather, the truth. the internet is a powerful tool to communicate again with kababeer and all arabs and non-arabs. we want responses, facts, truth, direct to the point, so far you failed us to do so. WHY, WHY, WHY ………………………. ???

on 28/07/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote: an illiterate arab knows that the word      “الصداقة”     in Arabic means friendship. in Urdu it means the truth   الصِّدق والحقّ.  the pm used the word     “الصداقة”      as if it means the truth which is the Urdu meaning. hani has already sent tens of emails in which the pm uses the Urdu meaning for an Arabic word which is incorrect. is this the reason rabwah or kababeer has not been able to answer the points raised by hani re. Arabic language to say the least?

on 30/07/2018 wrote them the following:

respected brother momin taher sahib,

during your last visit to Halifax with amir lal khan sahib about 10 weeks ago as a rep. to khalifa you told me that official responses are already reaching from rabwah and Arabic desk are already in the process of translating it. the khalifa reiterated and confirmed that official responses will come out in his responses to my questions which you sent to me and I sent it to my brothers. so far, there has been no new official responses since we met and the last batch of responses you sent me were old responses. I would like to know an approximate date to when are we going to see these official responses which you said as far as I recollect that it will be later compiled into a comprehensive book. it’s been two years since hani left and jamaat has not answered more than 10% of hani’s accusations, escpecially against the ton of accusations about the usage of Arabic language by pm. hani said that there is a linguist in Arabic language in kababeer who is much better than him, he is an Ahmadi by the name of asaad oudeh and said that he will publish any response from asaad re. Arabic language without any argument. why jamaat does not ask asaad oudeh the specialist in Arabic language to respond to hani’s accusations re. language. so far there have been about thirty ahmadis who left ahmadiyya just from Egypt who all were waiting for jamaat’s responses but to no avail, so they believed hani because you did not show them real or no responses. please advise if there will be official responses, especially re. Arabic language or not as you and the khalifa have promised?

I fully understand the frustration of my beloved brother jalal which myself too went through some of it but I never ever mentioned it because according to me that responses to hani are very critical too beside jalal’s points too which are important, even though I do not fully know about it. please advise about the official responses only and how long should we wait? .

jazakum allah

Nazir ahmad kazak 

 

on 31/07/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote:

the poet Abdul Jaleel alabassi  criticizes pm’s poems from a scholarly linguistic point of view, this is his first criticism, and he will further write about it in other articles. the poet has taught Arabic language for ten years, wrote several poems and received several awards.jamaat needs a highly scholarly person who understands the rules of poetry to respond to him, as you can see from the way his criticism is coming from.

where is asaad oudeh of kababeer?

 

on 01/08/2018 wrote them: email below from brother hani shows an example of the subjects or stories that are similar between sayed ahmad khan and jamaat’s tafseer.

 

on 02/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote: shown below is brother hani’s response on why Urdu speaking did not bother about sayed ahmad khan and his thoughts. attached is an English book about sayed ahmad khan religious thoughts. I just wonder why Urdu speaking Ahmadi members do not  try to prove to us that Quran’s tafseer of jamaat is different from sayed’s tafseer by just reading the Urdu tafseer and quote us the differences and/or the agreements. it is very simple, that’s the only way in my opinion that jamaat can prove that their tafseer was not stolen from sayed ahmad khan.

on 02/08/2018 ‘sent hani’s email and wrote: the poet  abduljalil alabbasi found more than a 100 mistakes just in one poem  for the pm.normal regular arabs in Arabic language like myself would not understand what this poet is talking about, nor I think any non-arab who speaks Arabic would understand it too. it is for scholary arab poets to understand it.

on 03/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote: another brother left jamaat ahmadiyya, his name is  صلاح البردويلي this exodus from jamaat will continue because jamaat has been unable to respond to hani’s accusations which are to the point and direct. very soon you will hear more and more about this exodus. jamaat used to challenge all religions from all sects regardless who and where they came from, but they say we do not want to debate hani because he will waste our time on mta and he is just asking for recognition, we shall not give it to him. this is the silly answer of jamaat who are challenging the whole world but not hani taher, running away from one man only just because this man is showing them what the whole world has not shown them before. can you prove me wrong?

on 04/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote: before the year 2016 there were 35 ahmadis in the province of sohaj-egypt, now there are only 8 ahmadis, as per president of its jamaat  الشيخ معروف صابر  before the year 2016  there were 30 ahmadis in the province of asyout-egypt, now there are only 4 ahmadis, as per president of its jamaat  نصر الدين فرغلي

on 04/08/18 sent hani’s email and wrote: shown below is the email from the president of jamaat of sohaj-egypt who left ahmadiyya, in which he mentioned just 10 reasons, but I’ll translate only two of them. Question 6 :. Are there really creatures on the planets the sun and the moon like the planet of the earth? Question 8 : whatis the reason for the differences in views between Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and his son Bashir al-Din Mahmoud, in the issue of the tree that Adam ate from, and in the matter of the fire of Abraham and the question of al-khadr (killing the boy) and many other issues.

question: If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the just judge, why did jamaat put his son’s opinion over the pm’s opinion? Who is the justice minister in Ahmadiyya?

on 04/08/18  sent hani’s email with my translation as follows: following is my translation to brother hani’s email shown below: why their feelings do not move for the crime of lying? The number of baiaat announced by Khalifa Al-Ahmadiyya this year is 647 thousand, although the truth is that it is less than zero. Those who leave are more than those who join whom we do not expect to exceed zero. But the duty of Ahmadiyah is to announce the number of baiaat in the most important countries, and has the most baiaat. I will visit all of them, and I will visit its cities an d the centers of Ahmadiyya, and I will prove that this is all a historical lie. Brother Akrama had predicted that the number of baiaat this year would be 629 thousand, how was his prediction so accurate to this extent? brother akrama knew that baiaat would increase by about 5-10%. Is this not an enough proof that the whole story is a mere lie? Is it not sufficient evidence that I did not find in India one single new ahmadi, in which I visited many of its areas, although the number of alleged baiaat in 2001 was more than 40 million? Those who do not feel the burden of lying are stolid (extremely insensitive).

on 05/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote: the khalifa announced this year that 647 thousand joined ahmadiiya and earlier this year he said that the total ahmadis who pay subscription is only one million and 200 thousand. if during 120 years the number of ahmadis is 1,200,000 ; and almost 2/3 of a million in one year, how does that make sense. we need the proof. as being suggested by brother hani in his previous email which I sent to you and in this email. the khalifa said that he knew about the discrepancy in the number of ahmadis before he was a khalifa, he was in rabwah then. he sent his observation to markaz in London to the 4th khalifa, but nothing was done. but again, after he became a khalifa he did not correct the numbers which were 80 million joined in one year and/or 40 million in one year, he only corrected it after several years from becoming a khalifa and only after brother hani brought it up to the surface. how did brother akarma predicted much earlier that the number of ahmadis who will join this year would be about 629 thousand? why should we believe any numbers given to us now without providing us with the proof?

on 05/08/2018  sent hani’s email and wrote: The official of the ahmadiyya community in the city of Ramshi, the Algerian state of Telmesan, announces his survival from ahmadiyya. his name is  حاتم بن عمر

on 06/08/2018 sent this email. http://www.islamahmadiyya.net/inner.asp?recordId=33139

from the above of jamaat’s Arabic website we see how difficult to learn Arabic without living among the arabs and in Arabic countries as per jamaat,s say. we also notice that the pm had very good knowledge of Arabic before being taught by god in one night. we also see that he was surrounded by versed people in Arabic , especially abdulkarim sialkoti and 1st khalifa whom he asked initially to help him write a book in Arabic before asking god for help in Arabic. we also notice that jamaat says that the hadith    “يصلحه الله في ليلة   (god will guide him in one night) means that god will teach pm Arabic in one night. I shall leave to the reader to derive his own conclusion.

on 06/08/2018 sent this email.  http://www.islamahmadiyya.net/inner.asp?recordId=33142

from the above of jamaat’s Arabic website it says that nobody came out to challenge the pm in the past nor in the present in the Arabic language.

well, hani taher challenged you publicly but you refused the challenge. if you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk. do not show your gun on your waist if you do not know how to use it. 

 

on 07/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote: still, I am unable to swallow the number 647,000 who joined ahmadiyya this year as being announced by the khalifa. one million and 200 thousand ahmadis as per khalifa until 2017 and this year alone about 2/3 of a million. regardless of who is paying or not paying, the number is too high to believe, bearing in mind the pattern of lying about numbers over the years.

challenge us and print the number in each country, each province, each city …. etc. we will contact these centers to confirm these numbers .

on 07/08/2018 sent hani’s email with my translation: very strong msg. from brother hani which i’ll translate. I think that the only way to prove him wrong is to print the number of ahmadis universally, or at least in Africa, in each country, province, state or tribe. following is my translation: ahmadiyya’s disregard for africans is racism, must be prosecuted for it. we must vigorously fight any contempt or defamation of any race, color, people, nation or tribe. to implant this idea in the minds of people means just an underestimation to the inhabitants of this beautiful continent, which was very wronged at the hands of the invaders for centuries.  the hateful racist hateful ahmadiyya propaganda has affected many people, they believed that the  africans were so stupid that if the head of the tribe joined them they would join ahmadiyya for the last one, and that africans could easily be persuaded and convinced by the introduction of the ahmadis and join them in groups, and that they do not care about the shameful biography of Mirza, from the insistence on the marriage from a married woman, and the curse of people and contempt of their religions and the daily falsification and hostility and hatred. The truth is that this is merely a false lie, africans are no different from others, and will not find a tribe of which joined ahmadiya once the head of the tribe became ahmadi, if it did happen, we got to see this tribe, visit them, know its name at least, and title or address. yesterday I spoke with two ahmadis from ghana and from uganda, those who read the dialogue show that there is no new ahmadi in these countries, so what does the ahmadi have to convince the african and at the same time does not convince for example the turkish or the iranian? why you cannot find in turkey except one or two, while 600 thousand join ahmadiyya in africa? i think that the african brothers should file a judicial complaint against ahmadiyya, but we all have to make this complaint against it, to take lightly of race is a crime that we all have to confront with firmness.

on 07/08/2018 sent hani’s email with my translation to the main points only: the pm said the following:

“remember with certainty that if one swears that my prophecy about ATHAM is not fulfilled, god will humiliate him and his face will be dark and destroy him by the death of the curse, because he wanted to nullify the truth … but will they swear by God? no, they will never swear because they are liars, and they will eat the cadaver (corpse) of lies as dogs” (عاقبة آتهم) . the pm also said:

“i know for certain that if one denies the realization of this prophecy [the prophecy of the death of ATHAM] swearing by god almighty before me, god will not leave him without punishment… if does not perish within a year by some disease or is not subjected to an extraordinary disaster, here i witness everyone and say i will admit in this case that I am a liar” ( (عاقبة آتهم).

following are links of hani’s challenge and swearing infront of god and everyone that the prophecy about ATHAM was not fulfilled and it was all a lie; as well many others have done that who left ahmadiyya. hani is repeating his swearing in the emails shown on the links below too . https://www.facebook.com/hani.tahir/posts/10154521811551540
فلنشعلها تكذيبا عمَلِيًّا للميرزا حتى يُجتثّ وتينُه المقَطَّع..ح1

16 July 2017

https://www.facebook.com/hani.tahir/posts/10154907818041540

فلنشعلها تكذيبا عمَلِيًّا للميرزا حتى يُجتثّ وتينُه المقَطَّع.. ح2

30 ديسمبر 2017

https://www.facebook.com/yacine.dib.10/posts/10211476723818414

دعوة إلى المباهلة مع الأحمديين

31 ديسمبر 2017

https://www.facebook.com/hani.tahir/posts/10155334783391540

آية جديدة واضحة على كذب الميرزا

16 يوليو 2018

on 08/08/2018 sent hani’s email and I wrote: the poet abduljalil alabassi found many verses in the poems of the pm taken from two Arabic poets,     زهير بن أبي سلمى     and  امرئ القيس

on 08/08/2018 sent hani’s emai and wrote: respected brother momin taher sahib, assalamu alaykum

brother hani taher is saying that every Ahmadi can now be certain that he/she is a false witness or silent about the crime of lying. it is obvious that he is saying this because he has provided many evidences about many discrepancies and contradictions and false ………. etc. and jamaat has not been able yet to properly respond to it.we are taking all this humiliation with patience giving jamaat time and time again to respond, which you have promised me personally as an official from the Arabic desk as a rep. to the khalifa that they are in the process of translating rabwah’s responses and soon will publish it in a comprehensive book. this was three months ago and nothing has happened; consequently, you are allowing hani taher to humiliate every Ahmadi by your silence. I would like an answer from you ASAP if you are going to publish this comprehensive book or not? bearing in mind , responding to each and every accusation mentioned by hani and please do not send me the old responses as you did the last time. if there will be no comprehensive book published by jamaat that includes new responses and covers all allegations within the next two weeks; then, I consider this as an unfulfilled promise by you; consequently, my promise to to you will be broken and I am not obliged to fulfill it anymore. you have two weeks to tell me the truth. my patience has run out. as you know there are witnesses to this promise by you and me, I do not make up things from my head.

Nazir ahmad kazak

 

on 08/08/2018 sent hani’s emai and wrote: sheikh marouf saber from Algeria left ahmadiyya. he mentioned some reasons but mainly he said that the pm said in his book   القول الصريح في ظهور المهدي والمسيح، that since the hp-pbuh claimed his prophethood for 23 years; then, it has become the standard for any claimant to not have less than that, but the sheikh said that the pm started taking baiaat in 1889; consequently, that is only 19 years. the real clear claim from the pm came in 1901 which is only seven years.

 brother hani added the following:

al-mirza denied his prophethood in 1892, when he said in a debate with Sheikh Abdul Hakim:

“Wherever you find the word of prophethood, write in its place the word muhaddith”
we cannot consider the beginning of the proclamation of prophethood before this date .. If we assume that he began to declare prophethood the next day from that date, it means that he lived 16 years claiming. It is impossible to be more than that.

 

on 08/08/2018 sent hani’s emai and wrote: ahmadi official writes about numbers:

he wrote that many sites on the net like wikipedia say ahmadiyya is the fastest growing, and that the number of ahmadis in niger reached two million two years ago, but now it must be more because of birth at least. following is some of what hani wrote back to him: you wrote about the numbers of ahmadiyya and quoted the wikipedia, which said that the number of ahmadis in egypt reached 50 thousand, and you know that the number of ahmadis in egypt does not reach half a thousand .. meaning, the exaggeration is one hundred times. since the announcement of 647 thousand and i am looking for one ahmadi who mentions that he knew new ahmadis this year more than the ones who left .. I asked ahmadis in nigeria, ghana, uganda, pakistan and arab countries, we did not find anyone claiming it. what prevents this official from addressing this question to the center of ahmadiyah to give him the real numbers?

on 08/08/2018 received email from momin taher sahib and responded as follows:

brother momin sahib, assalamu alaykum,

you are saying that the responses you sent included new answers, that is true, but it was !0% only. you are asking me to read them, I already read them long time ago when they were written under the name of the writer and the date (mainly dr. ayman and Tamim abu daqqa and a man from kababeer). after that you decided to put it under one category, you removed the names and the dates. I am aware of all these responses which do not constitute more than 10% also of hani’s accusations.

I wonder why this issue is not a priority to any of you. I also wonder why it needs so much time to respond if hani is telling you the name of the source, the date, the chapter, the page …….. what else do you want?

you do not even need to ask rabwah, all you have to do is open the same source hani opened and tell your interpretation since he is not creating a text from his head, he is just telling you what the pm or the khalifas have exactly said. there should be no secrets in that. furthermore, I have been hearing about this comprehensive response for a very long time. if I do not hear official responses from rabwah, or virtual dar-ifta or the Arabic desk within the next ten days; then, it means you and the khalifa did not fulfill the promise you gave me; consequently, mine is broken too. you ignored hani for too long and you ignored me for much longer than him and now you are waiting for rabwah and

translation. you have the resources hani has !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nazir ahmad kazak

 

0n 10/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote:

following is the translation of the main points in hani’s email (it does not need rabwah’s response, it is clear). following are distortions by jamaat ahmadiyyah to sentences and words said and written by the pm.

deletion of the text of atonement from the English book of al-tadhkirah

 

لقد كشف الله عليّ أن كلّ من بلغتْه دعوتي ولم يصدّقني فليس بمسلم، وهو مؤاخَذ عند الله تعالى”. (التذكرة العربية، ص 662)

it saiys : anyone who received my claim and did not believe in me is not a muslim. in the Arabic version of al-tadhkirah they wrote it as:

لقد كشف الله عليّ أن كلّ من بلغتْه دعوتي ولم يصدّقني فهو عرضة للمؤاخذة عند الله تعالى، وإنْ كان من المسلمين”. (الطبعة العربية الأولى للتذكرة، عام 2013)
instead of “not a muslim” they wrote “would be vulnerable to consequences from god almighty“.

the deletion of the whole text when pm told mir naser that he has cholera.

“مير صاحب، لقد أُصِبْتُ بوباء الكوليرا”. وبعد ذلك لا أظنّ أنه نطق بأية كلمة واضحة، وظل هكذا حتى مات بعد الساعة العاشرة من صباح اليوم التالي. (حياة ناصر، ص 14)

deleting the whole accusation of al-mirza to the wife of his cousin as a whore.

 

رأيتُ في صباح يوم الاثنين أن زوجة إمام الدين العاهرة قد وقَعَتْ. (التذكرة، الطبعة الثالثة بالأردو، بتاريخ 15 يناير 1906، نقلا عن دفتر إلهامات الميرزا ص 62)

the ahmadis deleted this shameful talk in the 4th edition and beyond, because the granddaughter of this “whore” became the wife of the 4th khalifa.

the 2nd khlifa said that the pm said: whoever does not participate in the WASIYYAH is a hypocrite.

” من لم يشترك في نظام الوصية فهو منافق.” (منهاج الطالبين، أنوار العلوم 9، 166) 

the translator put it this way:

 

من لا يشترك في نظام الوصية ففيه نفاق”.(منهاج الطالبين ص 25)

whoever does not participate in the WASIYYAH  has hypocrisy.

(the above means that ahmadis who do not spend 10% of their monthly salary are hypocrites).

as for the distortions, the word “قتالي” “combat” is written behind the words of the abortion of jihad, so there is nothing wrong with it, and the addition of the word “مستقلة” “independent” sometimes to the prophethood that mirza denies himself.

 

on 13/08/2018 sent email from poet abduljalil alabbasi and I wrote: attached is the email shown below from the poet abduljalil alabbasi in which he shows the lines taken by the pm from the poet tarfa bin alabdi.

on 13/08/2018  sent email from hani and I wrote: shown below by brother hani the unnecessary usage of the letter  ف  in Arabic and he referenced 20 sentences in different books of the pm.

on 15/08/2018 received email from hani, sent it to Arabic desk with the following comment:

what is going on , whole sentences taken by the pm from the poets alhariri and alhamazani, word by word and put into pm’s books   (حمامة البشرى، ص 142)  and   (الاستفتاء، ص 91-92).

 

on 16/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote:

shown below all of hani’s email, but I shall translate only these excerpts said and written by the pm which totally and completely contradict what the 2nd khalifa wrote in his tafseer of quran and not a single Ahmadi believes what the pm believed about this issue.

إن هذه الأعمال المتعلقة بعمل التِّرب (التنويم المغناطيسي) التي قام بها المسيح كانت بناء على مقتضى الحال في ذلك الزمن لحكمة معينة
(إزالة الأوهام، ص 262)

these works concerning the work of hypnosis by jesus were based on the case at that time of a certain wisdom (إزالة الأوهام، ص 262)

المسيح عليه السلام لم يمارس هذا العمل المادي إلا بإذن من الله وأمْرِه نظرا إلى الأفكار المادية والسُّفْلية التي كانت مترسخة في طبائع اليهود، وإلا ما كان المسيح ليحب هذا العمل. (إزالة الأوهام، ص 262)

jesus did not practice this material work (hypnosis) except with the permission of god and ordered him in view of the material and lower ideas that were rooted in the nature of the Jews, otherwise jesus would not love this work (إزالة الأوهام، ص 262)

لذلك فإن المسيح عليه السلام، وإنْ كان يُبرئ الأمراض الجسدية بواسطة هذا العمل، ولكنّ مستوى عمله فيما يتعلق بترسيخ الهداية والتوحيد والاستقامة الدينية في القلوب بصورة كاملة كان منخفضاً لدرجة كانت قريبة من الفشل”. (إزالة الأوهام، ص 263)

therefore, jesus, peace be upon him, although he cures and absolves physical diseases by this work (hypnosis), but his level of work with regard to the consolidation of the guidance, unification and religious rectitude in the hearts in full was so low that it was close to failure (إزالة الأوهام، ص 263)

إن الاعتقاد بأن المسيح كان يخلق من الطين طيوراً وينفخ فيها ويجعلها طيوراً حقيقية، إنما هو اعتقاد خاطئ تماماً وفاسد ومبني على الشرك. بل الحق أنه كان مِن عمل التِّرب فقط،
(إزالة الأوهام، ص 266)

the belief that jesus was creating birds from mud and inflating them and making them real birds is a totally false and corrupt belief based on polytheism. but it is true that it was only the work of hypnosis (إزالة الأوهام، ص 266).

on 17/08/2018  sent hani’s email with the following comment: further telepathic verses between MGA and the arab poet al-hariri  , the telepathy was so strong which made the poetic verses almost identical. so far, there are hundreds and hundreds of  poetic verses common between MGA and at least five arab poets.    

on 18/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote the following:

further evidence on top of the hundreds of verses written by MGA which were found within the verses of at least 5 arab poets. in the email shown below from brother hani there are three sentences by al-hariri, in the first sentence alhariri wrote 16 words, out of the 16 MGA used 14 words in his sentence, which is 87.5%. on the second sentence of al-hariri there were 18 words, MGA used 14 words in his second sentence, which is 77.8%. in the third sentence of alhariri there are 19 words, out of which MGA used 11 words, 57.9%. the point is that in each case there is more than 50% common words between alhariri and MGA. this was also a pattern in the hundreds of other sentences or verses between MGA and the 5 arab poets. it is obvious to me now that MGA who was knowledgeable in the Arabic language read the poetry and introductions of these arab poets and he was impressed by their sophistication in laying down such high quality of poetry;

consequently, it affected his poetry, meaning he used the same words they used too. it does not

need a rocket scientist to figure it out, it is clear as the light of the sun.

 

I think the khalifa and the associates around him, specifically the Arabic desk already know that and

they are unable to respond. I think this is the reason the khalifa keeps asking the members to respond to hani. when sister maha Dabbous while she was still with jamaat met with the khalifa and brought up my questions and inquiries to him, he told her that he will respond to me; as well, he told her that he will send me the books and articles that hani is using which are not available to me so I can respond. I still have the email from sister maha. three months ago, the khalifa sent me a letter through brother momin taher sahib in which he answered the questions I submitted to him through momin sahib and again he told me that I should respond to hani because I am a knowledgeable person (these are his words). the point I am trying to make that I have been asking and begging jamaat for a long time about several questions and issues even when brother hani was still with jamaat but they never responded. now, all of a sudden they are responding by asking me and others to respond to hani instead of them putting out the official responses, which they have done to 10% only and they stopped because the points that have been raised are overwhelming. ahmadis are asking the leaders to assume their leadership responsibilities in these situations, instead, they are running away from it and asking the members to do their job. it is 6:05 a.m. now, I am tired and frustrated, I have to go to bed.

on 18/08/2018  sent hani’s email with the following comment:

more common words and phrases between the arab poet al-hariri and MGA.

from 3.5 lines by alhariri, MGA used 27 words or combination of words.

in the next 3 lines by al-hariri, MGA used again 27 words or combination of words.

to the ahmadis who keep saying that MGA did not read these sentences or verses by alhariri or the other arab poets, I ask them, how did you know that? how can you say after submitting HUNDREDS of common words and sentences that MGA did not

know about these words/sentences/verses? the only thing I can think of, that you are

either idiots or mentally retarded or straight liars. that is the art of coverup some

members of jamaat have been conducting since a very long time on many other issues.

on 20/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote following comment:

strong communication between MGA and alhariri.

the first sentence by alhariri  has 25 words of which 23 words used by MGA.

the second sentence by alhariri  has 18 words of which 15 words used by MGA.

the third sentence by alhariri  has 19 words of which 11 words used by MGA.

still, some ahmadis say MGA did not read these sentences of alhariri. hypocrites.

on 20/08/2018 sent hani’s email and wrote following comment:

four more sentences used by alhariri ; as well, by MGA, even though some Ahmadi idiots

who ask me not to write to them still think that MGA created these sentences on his own without reading it from alhariri. god did not just teach MGA  Arabic in one night, but also gave him the power to read alhariri’s mind without reading his texts. what a miracle.

 

nazir ahmad kazak

halifax-canada

22/08/2018

United Nations Appoints Prominent Ahmadi Muslim Barrister Mr. Karim Asad Ahmad Khan to Head Investigation into ISIS War Crimes

Intro
Ahmadi’s have been securing jobs in global organizations since 1947.  They had infiltrated the United Nations, the World Bank, WTO and many other organizations.  Ahmadi’s have purposely been put into these positions by the British Government.  The British never forget the loyalty that Ahmadi’s showed towards the British.  Karim Asad Ahmad Khan was born in Edinburgh, Scotland on 30 March 1970.He is the son of the late Dr Saeed Ahmad Khan who passed away in 1996 and mother is Selma Mubaraka Ahmad Khan.  On the 16 April 1993, he was married to Sahibzadi Yasmin Rehman Mona the third daughter of Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih IV.  He has taken a second wife in the past few years.

See these essays for corroborating data
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/15/sind-holdings-was-owned-by-mirza-muzzafar-ahmad/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Zafrullah+Khan

Mr. Karim Asad Ahmad Khan, the son-in-law of Mirza Tahir Ahmad
He was recently appointed to the United Nations to oversee war crimes.  However, he will be supporting Ahmadiya interests as they come up.

United Nations Appoints Prominent Ahmadi Muslim Barrister Mr. Karim Asad Ahmad Khan to Head Investigation into ISIS War Crimes

Mr. Khan has extensive experience in acting as prosecutor, victim’s counsel and defence lawyer in domestic and international criminal tribunals

Times of Ahmad | News Watch | US Desk
Source/Credit: United Nations
By Web Desk | May 31, 2018

United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres today announced the appointment of Mr. Karim Asad Ahmad Khan of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as the Special Adviser and Head of the Investigative Team, which was established pursuant to Security Council resolution 2379 (2017), to support domestic efforts to hold ISIL (Da’esh) accountable by collecting, preserving, and storing evidence in Iraq of acts that may amount to war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed by the terrorist group ISIL (Da’esh) in Iraq.

Mr. Khan is the first Head of the Investigative Team.  He is a barrister and Queen’s Counsel in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, with more than 25 years of professional experience as an international criminal law and human rights lawyer.

Mr. Khan has extensive experience in acting as prosecutor, victim’s counsel and defence lawyer in domestic and international criminal tribunals, including, but not limited to, the International Criminal Court, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the International Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia, the Special Tribunal for Lebanon and the Special Court for Sierra Leone.

Mr. Khan holds an LLB (Hons) in law from King’s College, University of London, and various other degrees and qualifications. Mr. Khan has studied and lectured on Islamic law and has published extensively in the area of international criminal justice and human rights.

Mr. Khan is the co-author of “Archbold International Criminal Courts, Practice, Procedure and Evidence”, a leading practitioner’s text in the area.

Mr. Karim A.A. Khan is a son-in-law of the late His Holiness Mirza Tahir Ahmad (1928-2003), who served as the fourth Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

UN announcement:

Mr. Karim Asad Ahmad Khan of the United Kingdom – Special Adviser of the Investigative Team established pursuant to Security Council resolution 2379 (2017)

United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres today announced the appointment of Mr. Karim Asad Ahmad Khan of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as the Special Adviser and Head of the Investigative Team, which was established pursuant to Security Council resolution 2379 (2017), to support domestic efforts to hold ISIL (Da’esh) accountable by collecting, preserving, and storing evidence in Iraq of acts that may amount to war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed by the terrorist group ISIL (Da’esh) in Iraq.
Mr. Khan is the first Head of the Investigative Team.  He is a barrister and Queen’s Counsel in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, with more than 25 years of professional experience as an international criminal law and human rights lawyer.  Mr. Khan has extensive experience in acting as prosecutor, victim’s counsel and defence lawyer in domestic and international criminal tribunals, including, but not limited to, the International Criminal Court, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the International Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia, the Special Tribunal for Lebanon and the Special Court for Sierra Leone.
Mr. Khan holds an LLB (Hons) in law from King’s College, University of London, and various other degrees and qualifications. Mr. Khan has studied and lectured on Islamic law and has published extensively in the area of international criminal justice and human rights.

Mr. Khan is a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and son-in-law of the late Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, Khalifat-tul-Masih IV (may Allah be pleased with him).

source:

http://timesofahmad.blogspot.com/2018/05/united-nations-appoints-prominent.html#more

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Noonan was interviewed in 2006–new data on this Mullah

Intro
Michael Peter Noonan aka Ibrahim Noonan is a terrible Mullah of Ahmadiyya INC.  He lies on behalf of Ahmadiyya every single day.

Related Essay’s
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Noonan

Link to the older interview
http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000945.php

Data

Muslims in Galway: Jane Kelly meets Imam Ibrahim and hears how a good Catholic boy came to be a Muslim missionary seeking to convert Ireland to Islam

Posted by Jane Kelly

Michael Peter Noonan was born as one of seven children into a lower middle class Irish catholic family. He wanted to become a priest as a teenager. After losing his Catholic faith he became a night-club bouncer and body guard in London. Now he is Imam Ibrahim and wants to convert Ireland to Islam. Jane Kelly hears his story.

When Imam Ibrahim stands in the centre of Galway in his voluminous robes preaching the message of Islam, his main problem comes from other Muslims. There are over a thousand of them, immigrants from Iraq, Libya, Saudi and Algeria in what was until recently a quiet Irish town. He says:

I get abuse. They call me a Kaffir or infidel and say I should die.

He represents a reformist sect which orthodox Muslims dislike, but they are also a bit suspicious as he is in fact Irish. Ibrahim began life as plain Michael Peter Noonan, in Waterford. He is the only home-grown Irish Imam on the planet so far, and his conversion is surely a sign of the strange times in which we live.When I first visited Galway, in 1989, there were only three Muslims there. Dr Tasleem Amhed and Arshad Rashid had just arrived from Pakistan to start an Irish Jihad, a word then largely unknown in the west. They bought a five bedroomed house on a wind-blasted estate, and lived there with Rashid’s wife Zahide, who was hidden from Tasleem’s eyes behind a purdah curtain.

When Tasleem told me that it would be easy for him to convert the Irish to Islam I laughed like a banshee, picturing future renditions of “When Islamic Eyes are Smiling”, “Does Your Mother Come From Mecca?” and “Seven Sober Nights”.

But we’ve all drunk a lot of mineral water since then. Muslims have arrived en masse in Ireland, their leaders have grasped the proselytising power of TV, and astonishingly Islam is now seen by many as a viable replacement for 1500 years of Christian civilisation.

Ibrahim, 40, chatted to me recently in the same house over tea and delicious cakes made by his wife Qanita, 35, who lives behind the same curtain, now getting thin with age. In the background, MDM, a 24 hour Islamic TV channel shows an ancient white robed cleric preaching, and the room is full of box files, religious books, computer, photocopier and printer; all the paraphernalia of a modern missionary.

Ibrahim began life in simpler times as one of seven children in a lower middle-class family. His father Dennis was a builder, his mother Irene a hairdresser. Aged 12 he joined the Legion of Mary, practicing prayer and good works in the community. He did well academically and represented his school in athletics. At 18 he won a scholarship to Maynooth, Ireland’s most prestigious seminary, but in his late teens he changed his mind about becoming a priest. He says:

I worried about celibacy and questioned the divinity of Jesus.

He found the Church neither sacred nor practical enough.Having upset his family, he headed for London and to support himself, like the notorious Abu Hamsa, he worked as a night-club bouncer and body guard. During the day he protected the likes of the Sultan of Brunei and the Arsenal football team. At night he was a bouncer at Equinox, a flesh-pot on Leicester Square. He says:

I used to escort the models like Caprice and Elle McPherson into the VIP room. It was my job to stay with them.I saw people snorting cocaine and having sex. There were “Page Three” models who would do certain things – I won’t say what. There were wet t-shirt contests, and a lot of frolicking. I saw prostitutes, people trying to spike girls’ drinks and giving out ecstasy tablets. The bands I looked after were often high on heroin, they took it in front of me, they were so stupid and arrogant.

It was a dangerous and degrading job, dealing with people on drugs, out of control, not concerned about morals or God.

But it was his encounter with Barry Manilow which, perhaps understandably, finally pushed him into the arms of Allah. Ibrahim says:

I’d been a fan of his, but when I met him, perhaps he was having a bad day, but I found him bossy, arrogant and rude. I didn’t like the way he spoke to his co-stars in his show. I was very unhappy after that, he seemed to sum up the disappointment I felt about life and I decided to make a decision.

Islam with its authoritarian structure and dearth of fashionable crooners, was on offer and in 1995 he converted. For this sense of redemption and belonging, he was prepared to change everything. He had a house in Lewisham, a working wife and two small sons. Ibrahim says:

My interest in Islam destroyed the marriage. She liked night-clubs and the western way of life. I felt that I had normalised my life by becoming a Muslim, to me the Koran seemed rational, but she couldn’t see it. She refused to wear a veil or change her habits.

Three years ago, after learning Arabic, he returned to Ireland and agreed to marry a Pakistani he’d never met. She was chosen by the old man sermonising on the TV behind us. He says dispassionately, his mind fully focussed on his mission:

I trusted him and I trusted God. She’s a good wife and given me children.

Of his mission he says:

It will happen. Mohammed was told by God that Islam would rise in the West. I just need a small nucleus of Irish converts and they will bring other people in.

But did Mohammed mean as far west as Galway? While he talks two American Mormon missionaries who’ve come to the door also looking for converts, are invited in. Dressed in identical black anoraks they sit on the sofa smiling blankly. Beverages become an issue as they not only eschew alcohol like him, but can’t drink coffee or tea either. Sipping water, they nod at everything he says.The Mormons have 90 missionaries on the streets and made 125 converts in Galway last year, Ibrahim made two: Anna, 31, a Finn researching “holistic science”, and Christopher, now Yusuf Pender, 24, who studies film.

Yusuf discovered Islam through MDM, but is also bitterly disillusioned with Catholicism. He says in disgust:

It was dead even before the sex scandals, it’s about politics and power not spirituality.

His younger brother, Thomas, 22, is also thinking about converting.According to Galway Diocesan statistics, 95% of the population still have their babies baptised, but sitting among the Mormons and the Muslims I feel I have entered a new age of globalised Puritanism.

For these people the liberal agenda of their parents has failed, and Catholicism as it slackens its rigidities is not enough – they prefer the community of faith that howls at Ibrahim in the street.

Jane Kelly worked as a full time staff feature writer for the Daily Mail for 15 years, but she now lives as a freelance journalist and painter in west London. She is chiefly interested in writing about unusual, usually unpopular people.

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Did you ever go across the sea to Ireland?
When the muzzein calls the faithful folk to pray,
As each unrolls his carpet, pointed southwards,
You hear the call to prayer on Gaaaalwaaaay Baaaaaaay.

Yes, it is almost irresistible.

Posted by: s masty at May 30, 2006 05:40 PM

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I feel a bit like Snoopy, shaking his fist at the Red Baron, since S.J.Masty came with his parody on a lovely old Irish song. I remember my father singing this (yes, I too am from that side of the water). The verse I particularly remember is:

For the strangers came and tried to teach us their ways
They scorned us just for being what we are
But they might as well go chasing after moonbeams
Or light a penny candle from a star

So it seems that certain strangers have now come to Erin, on a quest not so futile. But I can well see how Michael Peter Noonan came to follow that path. I came across the water when I was knee-high to a grasshopper, and had a C-of-E education, but Mr. Noonan’s misgivings about his Catholic education strike a strong chord with me about mine. Some years later, I made a lot of Arab friends, and found their culture so much more attractive than ours. Even in those days, among the student body, girls would be despised if they did and despised if they didn’t. I still think there is much to be said for the values of Muslim societies, even if these values are betrayed by hypocritical rogue males who do unspeakable things to women in the name of Islam. As it is written (Psalm 50, 16 and 21):

But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.

But then I found certain things that worried me deeply, for example, the statement that Jesus was NOT crucified. While the good teachings of Islam remain attractive, and Islamic philosophers such as Ibn Sina are head and shoulders above most of those of the West, there are discrepancies which make me wonder, what is its actual agenda? Is it to stop people becoming Christians?

Posted by: Robert H. Olley at May 31, 2006 07:11 PM

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I have read this article and was astonished at my findings. I would like to clarify a few points that have been above by Michael Noonan.

In regards to his statement about how our marriage ended due to the fact of my western way of life is fabrication. I am a born muslim and his reasons for conversion was so we could marry. I do not deny he then took on the religion above my marriage, I continued to wear a head scarf as my religon requests while we were married and there was no nightclubbing involved.

I am not want to respond to these type of accusations made like so many in the past, a lot of this information is inaccurate, but it was my older son who was searching for his father on the internet due to no contact in 10 years. They are very disapointed that their own father portrays no interest in his children’s lives yet he preaches Islam and I know Islam’s way is not to leave your children. My son has presented this and questioned me.

There is numerous things I have read in this post that are incorrect, like his middle name for a start, his career and his dates whether this has been made up by the interviewer or came from Michael it is misleading information to my children.

I know Michael (Ibrahim) is a devoted Muslim and is very passionate to Islam.

Posted by: Marina Ayaz at August 1, 2006 03:43 AM

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Salam ‘

This so called Journalist is a hack and an Islamophobe. This is a total misrepresentation of our conversation and most of it is made up. Iman Ibrahim is a very pios, intelegent Muslim (I know my spelling is crap) and gave that interview in good faith.

As for the comments his ex-wife made…well a day dosent pass when he dosent talk about his children but his wife wont let him see them becouse she is….well she is not telling the truth.

The Daily Mail is a racist brit paper with an anti Catholic & Anti-Islamic agenda. And his wife is not old… she is only 35….ageism..

So Byeeeeeee……….

Posted by: Yusuf Pender at September 3, 2007 03:03 PM

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For all those concernd, 90% of what is written in this article is not true, and blown out of porportion. I had Muslims friends long before I met my former wife, and had interest in Islam but I found True Islam in Ahmadiyyat and God works in his own ways to bring people to Him, and it may have happened through me meeting my former wife, but I accepted Islam for sake of God not because of marrage. I am not here to put blame on any one but she has said something which is not true, I have done every thing to see my childern and have asked her many times to allow me to see them them, my parent are proof of this, my former wife still has contact with them and my sons have been to my parents home, I love my sons more then I can explain with every heart beat I remember them. I have always shown respect towards my former wife because she the Mother of my Sons this is the teaching of Islam. I have spoken with Jane Kelly about what has been written and asked for it to removed. May the peace of almighty Allah be with you.

Ibrahim Noonan

Posted by: Ibrahim Michael Noonan at September 20, 2007 12:16 PM

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Hi there My name is John Noonan Mick’s younger brother and i would like to say for one my father was a roofer not a builder,what his ex wife has said is absolutly true, he actualy had to go on the run in london 4 months with my big sis marina, until he finally converted to Islam so he could marry i should i was at the wedding, he was never part of the Legion of Mary, because of my brothers obsessiveness with his religion i did not get to see my nephews for 6yrs until i finally contacted Marina and convinced her to come here to ireland to see her family, and know she has gone further because of him. Mick if ur reading this sorry but i will not let anyone say one thing about Marina and the lads especially a convert who calls himself Yusuf Pender who knows nothing of our family.

Posted by: John Noonan at November 17, 2007 06:20 PM

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My name is Marina and I am responding to my ex-husband’s post and my brother in-law John’s post:

Thank you for clarifying the above and verifying that most of the original post is incorrect as Michael made me look like a bad person.

I stopped Michael Noonan seeing the kids several years ago as he would never show up, I took him to court to make him see his kids and he was ordered to see them which he never stuck to and because of this I refused him access to visiting rights, which was my legal right.
However, since then I have allowed him on several occasions to make contact but he never has.
He has both of my son’s email addresses, my eldest son’s mobile number, our home address and our home telephone number but yet he has made no contact.
We lived 20 minutes apart for years but never once did he try to see his children. If someone took my kids off me I would camp outside their house just to get a glimpse and would fight till death.

He has not paid any money towards both of my son’s upkeep in 11 years. I am a single mother, with three jobs and work days and nights but yet not once has he given me any money in 11 years. No presents or even cards/letters. My eldest is going to Uni in a year to hopefully do a medical degree and I have to pay for this all by myself.
He is on low income because the Islamic community pay for his keep but he has not even applied for extra funds to support his two first born children which I know he can and then that payment should go to my children.
I am in constant contact with his family as I love them as my own, they have never done me or my children any wrong and I wish I had the money to visit them in Ireland. They are just like my parent’s and his brother’s and sister’s are my brother’s and sister’s!

Can I also add, my eldest son was once again searching for updates on his father on the Web and found this post again! – Contact your children Michael before it’s too late, not saying it’s not too late already. How sad that he has to search the Web to learn about you and look for recent pictures.

You obviously don’t want to financially support your sons, so at least pray for them!

Goodbye

Marina Ayaz

Posted by: Marina Ayaz at December 16, 2007 05:18 AM

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To Mr Yusef Pender,

You don’t know me and never will so please do not accuse me of lying – you have no right. Sadly you are mislead, lied to, lying or just a stupid fool.

PS: Humanely impossible for a day to pass without him mentioning his kids, even if you see him everyday.

PPS: Michael, please be honest and tell all if I have stopped you seeing the kids in the last 7 years at least? Then repent for lying. I have the proof.

Goodbye.

Posted by: Marina Ayaz at December 16, 2007 05:33 AM

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to all conerned, I could spend the whole day defending my self trying to proof that it was not I who stopped seeing my Son’s I have tried every thing, as far as my young brother John is concerned he is fully aware of every thing. through out this whole time I have not blamed any one and I am not going to start. If I could finance my sons I would, I was giving money every month but Marina wanted more and complaned to a goverment office, who assed my income and it was they who, informed me that according to my low income I was not at fault. I dont have my sons home address, or phone number, and once I sent a e-mail to my sons and an e-mail came back saying your sons dont have any desire to see you or contact you. I showed this to my parents who were shocked. the one time my eldest son contacted me his mother would come on the phone and try to create a problem between me and my Wife. If my sons want to come and visit me or speak to me they can do so. Salman and Osman I love both and there is not a day which I dont think about you your photos are with me all the time where I go. Salman if I could support you for your medical degree I would, but I am Proud of you and I always pray for your success in Life and also for Osman. “Truth is Truth and I am not Afraid of Truth because I walk in Truth and only He who is Truth knows the Truth” May the peace and blessing of God Almighty be with you and protect you my Sons Always.

your Dad.

ps Salman & Osman contact the Jamaat in Australia and they will help us make contact. Salman and Osman when ever you want to come and visit me on your own as Salman you are old enough to travel on your own and Osman can come with I will pay for it. or I plan to visit Australia and I promise when I come I will do every thing to see you.
Ps Yusuf Pender is a very nice and good natured young man.

Posted by: Ibrahim Noonan at January 9, 2008 10:40 AM

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this is salman, im am the son of michael noonan or ibrahim noonan.

im just responding to what was said in past commentts made about my muother. i have a high level of respect for my father and the fact that he is so loyal to his religion but i dont appreciate people sayin my mum was the ones causing problems when it was all my fathers wife. i would very much like to get in contact with you dad as i would liek to know what type of person you are.

salman.

Posted by: Marina Ayaz at June 7, 2008 03:13 PM

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This is my uncle haha, he’s my dad’s brother. I mightn’t follow a religion, but I’m open minded and spiritual, and I respect Michael for what he’s doing, and what he believes. Too many stereotypes have been given to people of Islamic faith, I know a few Muslims and they’re really nice people, haha. Just felt like I should voice that :}

Posted by: Conor Noonan at September 24, 2010 04:34 PM

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What a nice family you are. If only you would all swap phone numbers, get together from time to time, bite the bullet and move on. Surely that is better than working it out on public internet forums.

P.S. Islam is the true religion (but not that codswallop Ahmadiyyah nonsense that Mick/Ibrahim is on). The Prophet Muhammad said “The best of you is the one who’s best to his family” and “The strong person is not the one who overpowers his opponent in a fight, but the strong one is the one who controls his anger” and “Whoever humbles himself for the sake of God, God will exalt him”

Assalaam alaykum,
Peace be upon you,
Adam

Posted by: Adam Noonan at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM

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I’m Fawad Noonan ,Ibrahim Noonans son , I’d like to point out all that I have jus read is bull and to the guy above ,adam, if you were a true muslim ud follow sunnah and if u knew sunnah ud know that the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) did not degrade or insult any relgion … So ti insuly the Ahmadiyaa the True version of Islam which is a sect in Islam due to ur ignorance or lack knowladge maybe you didn’t know that .. Adam a wise man once said if u habe nothing good to say keep qutie … Salam

Posted by: Fawad at July 23, 2013 03:55 AM

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad supported the British financially during the boer war…as he promoted the expansion of the British government

Intro
Ahmadiyya and the British Government will forever be linked.  As WW-1 ended, Ahmadiyya missionaries were given access and funding to start missions in the new African countries that had been annexed to the British.   After WW-2 it happened again, however, now it was on a higher scale.  When MGA’s son took over as Khalifa, even he acknowledged the idea that the Ahmadiyya movement and the British Government were connected.  This announcement was turned into a book and translated into english and then posted on alislam.org on January 20th, 2019.

A quote from MGA’s son, the 2nd Khalifa

“Verily, the British government is our shield. We move forward and on and on under the protection of this shield. If this shield is removed, we would be torn and pierced by a volley of poisoned arrows from all direction. Our interests are linked with this Government to such an extent that its ruin will be our ruin and its progress our progress. Wherever the British empire spreads, we find a field for our mission.” 
(Al-Fadl, October 19, 1915; by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad)

MGA had told us….

” . . . I brought the attention of my Jama’at that all people should pray from the bottom of their hearts for their magnanimous government that Allah the Exalted should give it a Great Victory in the war that is going on in the Transvaal . . . so wherever the members of my Jama’at are, they should give “chanda” according to their means for the injured (soldiers) of the British Government who have sustained injury in the Transvaal War . . . this “chanda” should be collected and the lists sent to Mirza Khuda Baksh in Qadian (who has been appointed for this duty) by 1 March 1900 . . . my Jama’at should consider this work important and carry it out urgently.”

(Feb 10, 1900 Advertisement, Majmooa Ishtiharat vol.3, p.219)

The above announcement was made near the beginning of the British offensive in the second Boer War, from January 1900 to September 1900.

The British had set up “concentration camps” to contain the refugees, mostly farmers who had lost their land during the fighting. The emotive term did not originally have the negative connotations that the Nazis brought to it. Nonetheless, conditions were inhumane and once the full extent of the suffering was revealed, there was uproar and outrage expressed in Britain. Estimates after the war revealed that as much as a quarter of the inmates, of which the vast majority were children under 16, died due to the inhumane conditions. Dysentery, typhoid and measles had been endemic and starvation claimed many. It is fair to conclude that this was a humanitarian disaster.

Mirza Sahib said:

“From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged, with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of muslims towards the true love & goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to obliterate the idea of jehad from the hearts of stupid (muslims).”

(Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)

There’s nothing wrong with being loyal to your government. In fact, I believe it’s the duty of Muslims to be model citizens, as long as they have the freedom to worship. A self-claimed prophet though, must have higher standards. He must say what needs to be said. Even if it hurts. He must speak the truth, and against oppression. Most notably, prophets hate oppression.

It’s clear that the Boer inmates were oppressed. A prophet with a hotline to God would know this and would have boldly declared the goings-on inhumane and worthy of condemnation. This didn’t happen. It behoves a decent person, never mind a claimant of prophethood, to vocally condemn such inhumanity. This is not to be mistaken for disloyalty. As a British citizen, I love Britain and respect its laws. However, I don’t have to like what we’re doing in Iraq and I am permitted to speak up against it. Mirza Sahib didn’t have 24-hour news or the Internet, but he claimed to have constant revelation from God. He should have known and he should have spoken up.

Asking for contributions to help your country’s war effort without understanding the ins and outs of the morality of the conflict seems shortsighted. A seer is not meant to be shortsighted. Let’s just say he was naive. Mirza Sahib could have dropped the requests for “chanda” (how much of it got to the intended recipients anyway?) and merely asked his community to pray for all victims of the war, whilst speaking up about the need for fair treatment of all parties. If he had a clue about what was really going on, then his unilateral support without outright condemnation of the humanitarian disaster perpetrated by the British negligence at the time was hypocritical.

Scan evidence


Links and Related Essays
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Proceedings-of-Prayer-Meeting.pdf

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/09/20/professor-humphrey-j-fisher-and-j-spencer-trimingham-called-ahmadiyya-a-maritime-implantation-in-west-africa/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/16/the-punjab-chiefs-by-lepel-griffin-1865-1890-and-1909-edition-its-data-and-scans/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/26/the-mirza-family-was-above-the-law-in-british-india/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/15/who-is-mirza-ghulam-murtaza-1791-1876/

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Before Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad took a loan from a Hindu on interest

Intro
As we continue to dig into the life of MGA before Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya we see a pattern that has developed, i.e., that MGA was a good-for-nothing-lazy-punjabee-fraudster.  In this specific instance, we have found information which proves that MGA never had property valued at 10,000 rupees in 1879.  In fact, in those days, MGA’s brother was ruling the family dynasty, and MGA’s eldest son (Mirza Sultan Ahmad) had already been chosen to take over the family management of Qadian as soon as MGA’s brother died.  So…when MGA claimed that he would give a reward worth 10,000 rupees if anyone could refute his book, it was all hogwash.  It was all a lie.  In fact, Dard did cover up job and added the idea that MGA had property worth 10,000 in 1879 (see Life of Ahmad by Dard, page 91).  Most of this correspondance was recorded by MGA in his book Shahn-e-Haq (1887).

MGA was penniless in 1884
Even after getting money sent to him by many rich Muslims, by 1884, MGA was broke (see Dard, “Life of Ahmad”, page 134).  He had no money, he relied on his friends to send him money.  In Qadian however, MGA had no bills to pay, all he needed was money for food and transportation.

The income tax case of 1898 proves that MGA was broke in 1884
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/04/the-british-government-allowed-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-to-operate-tax_free/

Also see “Life of Ahmad”, Dard, page 595.  By 1898, MGA was claiming that his annual income was 7200 rupees, of which roughly 70% came from MGA’s followers.  MGA claimed to own some land, but not very much, he didn’t list his own house as property in the case, nor did he list any of his properties in Qadian.

Additional info
In Maktoobate Ahmadiyya page 36, Vol-5, Number 3 there is a letter that Mirza wrote to Munshi Rustam Ali on 9th May, 1887, that he wanted to set up a printing press at Qadian which will cost Rs. 1500/- So He shall be thankful, if loan of Rs.400. Is given to him. He says That he will arrange balance Rs. 800 or 900/. from some other place.
It proves that either Mirza was a penny less even in 1887 or he wanted to mint money from simple fellows.

Summary of the situation

When Mirza Qadiani published Ishtihar with challenge if somebody publishes satisfactory answers to his book Baraheen e Ahmadiayya he would pay a reward of Rs. 10,000/-, Pandit Lekhram said in his book Takzib e Baraheen e Ahmadiyya that announcement of cash reward of Rs10,000/- by Mirza Qadiani, was only a lie and deceit because Mirza Qadiani,s total moveable and immoveable property was not worth Rs.10,000/- at that time because all men and women Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs knew the state of insolvency and indebtedness of Mirza Qadiani.

This can also be judged from the fact that after marriage with Nusrat Jehan, Mirza remained a permanent guest of his father in law. Mir Nasir Nawab was a Draught man at Canal Irrigation Department. Wherever he was transferred and moved, he found Mirza there as an uninvited guest. Mirza spent many years at Ludhiana and Ambala Cantonment, breaking the breads at his fathers in law,s house.

In those days Mirza obtained a loan on interest from a Hindu Mahajin (a money lender) of Ambala Cantonment. After publishing and country vide sale of Baraheen e Ahmadiyya Mirza Qadiani got financially eased out a bit, he wrote two letters to this Hindu Mahajin to get his loan settled, calculate and receive the amount payable by him.

But unfortunately for him, his letters reached to the hands of Hindu Ariyas of Qadian. These ariyas, just to show the world that Mirza took loan on interest whereas usury is not allowed in Islam, published these two letters. Mirza Qadiani wrote these letters to Bishan Singh Ambalvi. The publication of these two letters, infuriated Mirza Qadiani.

Clarifying his position, in his Book Shahna e Haq page 37- 39, Mirza Qadiani writes:-

“ in this objection the factual position is only that I have wrote to a Hindu shopkeeper to settle my old accounts which was long pending and receive money and return the loan security. Although I don,t exactly remember the text yet I think somewhere i had requested him not to disclose that he has been called for the settlement of loan. So that our enemy may not do false propaganda. Yet Ariyas with few bad character peoples of Qadiani stole these letters which is a theft and a cognizable offence under the criminal laws. Actually these evil minded, tried to steal some money from the cash box of Bishan Singh in his absence and got hold of these two letters. After which these criminals in collusion with each others published these letters just for the defamation of us. Lala Bishan Singh being a gentle man did not bring the case to the court as these were business letters, publishing of which is a cognizable offence. So in my opinion a suit should be filed against this theft”.

(Quoted by Rafiq Dilawari in his book Raees e Qadian).

The scans


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In 1884, before his wildest claims, MGA defined Inni-Mutawafeeka, wa Raffa as I shall give you full reward and shall raise you towards Me



Intro

Most Ahmadis on social media have no idea what MGA wrote, this is evident when we give counter-arguments and they quickly deflect to other topics or other lines of argumentation. They deflect for a number of reasons.  #1–they lack the ability to think independently, aka critical thinking, Ahmadis rely on their Mullah’s to give them interpretations of MGA writings and the Quran, no other sources are even trusted.  #2–they know that they are lying and choose to be argumentative and defensive, not open and clear.

When Ahmadis argue that Esa (As) is dead, and its clear in the quran
We mention that if it’s so clear, why did MGA have the opposite belief until he was roughly 50 years old, aka 1891.  We continue to argue, if it is so clear in the Quran, why did MGA not understand sooner?  Per Ahmadiyya sources, MGA was reading the quran most likely everyday from at least age 10 to age 50.  Most Ahmadi’s freeze up at this point and deflect to other silly arguments.

Per MGA, by 1884, and per the quranic verse 3:55, muta-wafeeka doesn’t mean death and Raffa, in this context means to physically raise someone to heaven, i.e. towards Allah.

In the Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya vol. 4, while published in his own revelations and explaining them:

“””I shall give you full reward and shall raise you towards Me. I shall place those who follow you—that is, truly enter into the fold of the followers of Allah and the Messenger—above those who deny you until the Day of Judgment.””” Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya vol. 4, online english edition, page 398.

Mutawafeeka in 3:55 doesn’t mean FULL reward either
Another point to take notice of is the fact that MGA was already taking up the Sir Syed position as he wrote BA 1–4.  MGA claims to have written all 4 volumes of BA as early as 1879, the delay was only in publishing.  Nonetheless, we can see how MGA was slowly changing his claims, he was already asserting Mutawafeeka means something other then “capturing in fully, body and soul”.

This very same reference as recorded in Tadhkirah, 2009 online edition
Under a lengthy Arabic revelation, which starts off with “Inni-Mutawafeeka, wa rafia o ka…”

“””I shall give you full reward and shall raise you towards Me…”””

Tadhkirah, 2009 online edition refers to the Urdu version of BA-4
Barahin-e-Ahmadiyyah, part 4, pp. 510–521 sub-footnote 3,—Urdu
Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 1, pp. 608–623 sub-footnote 3]—Urdu

MGA refers to this issue in 1898, in his book Ayyam us Sulah
“””In the Barahin-e-Ahmadiyyah I had mistakenly interpreted tawaffa as meaning ‘full reward’, which some of the maulavis cite as a criticism against me. They are not justified in this as I confess that I was mistaken in this. But there is no mistake in the revelation. I am a human being and am subject to human frailties such as mistake and forgetfulness like other human beings, though I know that God does not leave me under the influence of a mistake. I do not,
however, claim that I cannot be mistaken in an interpretation Divine revelation is free from mistake but man’s words are not free from the possibility of mistake, because forgetfulness and mistake are essential human characteristics.

[Ayyamus-Sulah, p. 41, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 14, pp. 271–272
See also Barahin-e-Ahmadiyyah, vol. 5, p. 73 footnote,
Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 21, p. 93 footnote]
^^Taken from Tadhkirah, 2009 online edition, pages 118-119

The full Arabic revelation from BA-4, online english edition
اني متوفیك ورافعك اليَّ وجاعل الذین اتبعوك فوق الذین کفروا الی یوم القیٰمۃ ولا تھنوا ولا
تحزنوا و کان الّٰل بکم رءُوفًا رحیما۔ الا ان اولیاء الّٰل لا خوف علیھم ولا ھم یحزنون۔ تموت
وانا راض منك فادخلوا الجنۃ ان شاء الّٰل اٰمنین۔ سلام علیکم طبتم فادخلوھا اٰمنین۔ سلام
علیك جعلت مبارکا۔ سمع الّٰل انہ سمیع الدعاء انت مبارك في الدنیا والاخرۃ۔ امراض
الناس وبرکاتہ ان ربك فعال لما یرید۔ اذکر نعمتي التي انعمت علیك وانی فضلتك
علی العلمین۔ یاایتھا النفس المطمئنۃ ارجعی الی ربك راضیۃ مرضیۃً فادخلی فی عبادی
وادخلی جنتی۔ منَّ ربکم علیکم و احسن الی احبابکم وعلمکم مالم تکونوا تعلمون۔ وان
تعدوا نعمۃ الّٰل لا تحصوھا۔

Tafsir Ibn Kathir on 3:55
(55. And (remember) when Allah said: “O `Isa! I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify ﴿save﴾ you from those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute.”

Ibn Kathir goes on to write

“””I will take you) is in reference to sleep, for Allah raised `Isa while he was asleep.””

“””(For surely; they killed him not But Allah raised him up unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he ﴿`Isa﴾ will be a witness against them.) ﴿4:156-159﴾

`His death’ refers to `Isa, and the Ayah means that the People of the Book will believe in `Isa, before `Isa dies. This will occur when `Isa comes back to this world before the Day of Resurrection, as we will explain. By that time, all the People of the Book will believe in `Isa, for he will annul the Jizyah and he will only accept Islam from people. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Al-Hasan said that Allah’s statement,””””

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=535&Itemid=46

MGA stole Sir Syed’s position on the death of Esa (As) in the 1889-1891 era

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/24/noorudin-and-abdul-karim-were-influenced-by-sir-syed/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/27/sir-syeds-view-on-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/06/in-1880-khan-published-first-volume-of-his-tafsir-and-he-asserted-that-esa-as-was-dead-mga-copied-via-nooruddin/

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