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Noorudin didn’t care if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed even law-bearing prophethood

Intro
We all know that Noorudin was the main ghost-writer for MGA.  We also know that Noorudin was friends with Sir Syed and learned his islamic theories directly from Sir Syed.  Noorudin was out of a job in the early 1890’s and seems to have pressured MGA to make many claims.  This narration by Mirza Bashir Ahmad isn’t dated.  We needed to know when this happened?  Was it before Nov-1901??  Or after?  Obviously, Noorudin didn’t care what MGA claimed, in-fact, Noorudin had stable employment with MGA and lived in the same house as him.  In this quote, Noorudin admits that even if MGA claimed to be a law-bearing prophet and cancelled the Quran, he would still believe in MGA.  This is the height of arrogance in Ahmadis.  IMHO, MGA would have claimed prophethood has he lived til 1911, MGA and his team would have giving the same alibi as before, that MGA misunderstood what his God was telling him.

In 1911, there was an Ahmadi who opened declared that MGA was a law-bearing prophet.  His name was Zaheer-uddin, he is mentioned heavily by Muhammad Ali and Mahmud Ahmad in their discussions on the prophethood of MGA.  Nonetheless, Nooruddin didn’t expel Zaheeruuddin til a few years later when he began claiming to be the rightly Khalifa.

The quote
“….This is just a matter of nabuwwat. My imaan/belief is that if hazrat maseeh mowwod claimed to be a law-bearing- prophet, and abrogated qur’aani-law, even then i will not object, because i have found him to be truthful and munjabullah. So whatever he states, that will be the truth, and i/we will believe that ‘khatamalnabiyeen’ has different meaning….”

Narration# 109…
Seerat ul Mahdi Vol.1 Page 88 (New Edition)

Transliteration
“””””ye to sirf nabuwat ki baath hai, mera toh emaan hai key agar hazrat maseeh mowood sahib shar’eeat nabi honay ka dawah karein aur quraany shareeat ko mansooh karaadein to phir be mujay inkhaar na hogah, kyunkay jab ham nay aap ko wakiya saadik aur munjab-nabullah paya hai, toh jo bee aap farma’in ke wohee hak hoga, aur ham samajlein kay ayat katamalnabiyeen ke aur ma’nay hon gay’””””””

The scan
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Mir Nasir Nawab, the father-in-law of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

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Intro
Mir Nasir Nawab (born 1846, died September 1924) (see Dard page 132), was the father-in-law of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad circa 1884 and he was 6-7 years younger then MGA.  He worked for the British government in an official capacity.  He worked in the “irrigation department” and even worked in and around Qadian from 1866 -onward (see Dard, page 70)(also see Dr. Basharat Ahmad, Mujadid e azam, page 180, vol-1).  This is the famous father-in-law who told the world that MGA thought he had contracted Cholera as he gasped for air and eventually breathed his last.  It is also important to note that he didn’t accept MGA’s claims in 1891, however, after a few years, he eventually accepted them.  Its unclear whether his daughter (MGA’s 2nd wife) ever signed MGA’s bait form.

Mir Nasir Nawab met Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s father and worked with MGA’s brother
Sometime before 1883, Mirza Nasir Nawab worked on the canals in and around Qadian and eventually visited the house where MGA lived. He was a guest of Mirza Ghulam Qadir, MGA’s eldest brother.  He seems to have met the entire family at Qadian, even MGA’s father, as well as MGA’s sons, Mirza Sultan Ahmad and Mirza Fazl Ahmad.

Manshure-Muhammadi Newspaper of 10-25-1874 mentions Mirza Sultan Ahmad and Mir Nasir Nawab
Dard tells us:

“””The Manshur-e-Muhammadi Vol. 3, No. 24, dated 13 Ramadan, 1291, (25. 10. 1874) contains a note from Mirza Sultan Ahmad to the effect that through the efforts of Mir Nasir Nawab a Hindu of Sathyali, Bansi Dhar by name, who was secretary to the then canal contractor, had been converted to Islam and given the Muslim name of Abdul Haq.””””

Mir Nasir Nawab become a really close family friend, roughly 1877
Through the pages of Dard, (70-75) it is explained how Mir Nasir Nawab first met MGA and his wife and their entire family.  Mirza Nasir Nawab knew that MGA wasn’t taking care of his children and lived a life of comfort instead.  He seems to have seen giving his daughter away as a positive economic idea.  He gave his daughter in marriage and gained lots of land through his grandchildren and etc.

Mir Nasir Nawab asks MGA to marry his daughter
Dard tells us that Mir Nasir Nawab asked MGA to marry his daughter and MGA showed up to Delhi within a week (see Dard page 133).  Without any delay.  MGA was older then Mir Nasir Nawab, this was a very odd match, the underlying reason was most likely that MGA’s brother had died and lots of the family land had been given to MGA and his eldest son Mirza Sultan Ahmad, who was the family representative to the British Govt and he worked for the Govt.

MGA gets married in Nov-1884
The month wherein BA-vol-4 was published is unknown, Ahmadis will never tell, however, in November of 1884, MGA was married to Nusrat Jehan Begum (see Dard, page 133).   Mir Nasir Nawab seems to have disappeared from the scene for the next 6-7 years,  He shows up again in late-1891, MGA had already claimed to be Esa (as), and he visited Mir Nasir Nawab, who was working in Patiala at the time (see dard, page 299).

The account of Mir Nasir Nawab and the Mirza family from Seeratul-Mahdi by Mirza Bashir Ahmad

Feel free to read the entire story from Seeratul Mahdi here:

Mir Nasir Nawab opposed MGA in 1891, as MGA claimed to be the Messiah
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/24/mir-nasir-nawab-wrote-poetry-vs-mga-initially-1891-2-years-later-he-accepted-mgas-claims/

In 1891-1891 Mir Nasir Nawab wrote poetry vs. MGA
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/24/mir-nasir-nawab-wrote-poetry-vs-mga-initially-1891-2-years-later-he-accepted-mgas-claims/

At the Jalsa of 1892, Mir Nasir Nawab accepts MGA as the Promised Messiah
Dard tells us that Mir Nasir Nawab didn’t accept MGA or take his bait in 1889, nor did he accept his claims in 1891.  As he attended the Jalsa of 1892, in Qadian, he seems to have converted to Ahmadiyya and left Islam.  He had also been working with the famous Muhammad Hussain Batalvi in opposition to MGA for almost 2 years and seems to have abruptly changed his mind.  However, Mir Nasir Nawab worked with Batalvi for about 1-year in opposition to MGA and even wrote satirical poetry vs. MGA (see Dr. Basharat Ahmad, page 437, http://www.muslim.org/bookspdf/tgr1/tgr1.pdf)

September 1895, Mir Nasir Nawab accompanies MGA to see the Chola of Baba Nanak
By 1895, Mirza Nasir Nawab appears to be securely in the inner-circle of Ahmadiyya, Dard tells us that MGA and many others including Mir Nasir Nawab, travelled to see the clothing of Baba Nanak and etc.

1900-1901 and the case of the Wall
Dard tells us that Mir Nasir Nawab helped MGA in his case against his cousins.  He had helped in creating a site-plan for the property (see Dard, page 716).  He also seems to be a worker around Qadian in that era, Dard doesn’t tell us as to when he retired from Government service.

Other Ahmadi sources tell us that Mir Nasir Nawab retired from Govt. service and moved permanently to Qadian in roughly 1900-1901 (see video on alislam.org).  

MGA has a dream about Mir Nasir Nawab

1906—“”I saw in my dream that Mir Nasir Navvab had come carrying a fruit-bearing tree upon the palm of his hand and when he gave it to me, it became a large tree resembling a mulberry tree. It was very green and heavily laden with fruit and flowers. Its fruit was very sweet and, strangely enough, even its flowers were sweet. It was not an ordinary tree; it was a tree the like of which has never been seen in this world. I was eating its fruit and flowers when I woke up.  I consider that Mir Nasir Navvab means God the Helper, and the meaning of the dream is that God will help in a manner that will be extraordinary.”””

[Badr, vol. 2, no. 11, March 16, 1906, p. 2 and al-Hakam, vol. 10, no. 9, March 17, 1906, p. 1]

1907–Mir Nasir Nawab clashes with the Sadr Anjuman

1908—When MGA died…Noorudin reccomended Mir Nasir Nawab as Khalifa

1912—Mir Nasir Nawab accompanied Mirza Mahmud Ahmad for Hajj in 1912
Mahmud Ahmad tells us that in 1912, Mir Nasir Nawab met Mahmud Ahmad in Mecca as they both performed Hajj(See Truth about the Split, page 157).  Mahmud Ahmad claims that Mir Nasir Nawab was told by the Khalifa (noorudin) that it was OK to read prayers behind non-Ahmadi Imams whilst in Mecca, and all the Ahmadis did so.  However, Mahmud Ahmad only did it since it was ordered…he wasn’t sincere…hence, he re-did all of those fake prayers(See Mahmud Ahmad, truth about the split, page 157-160)

He died in Sept 1924
Per 12-7-16, Dard is the only source that gives us this data.  3 years later, his autobiography is published from Qadian, with the famous Ahmadi Scholar, Sheikh Yaqub Ali Irfani as the writer.  This is where the famous quote comes in wherein MGA seems to scream to his father-in-law that he has contracted Cholera…MGA died just a few hours later.

Ahmadi’s are academically dishonest, and on purpose—The Famous Qadiani ONE LINER reference game

Intro
Ahmadi’s are trained to lie.  Its not secret, and they don’t double check their own mullahs.  In this entry, we wanted to copy and paste some common references that Ahmadi’s twist.

The data

حدیث لا نبی بعدی اور بزرگان امت : The Famous Qadiani ONE LINER reference game

whenever you debate with the ordinary ahmadi lad; he will take you rather push you into this section, then he will start throwing references like machine gun.. and most common muslims lads just drop their jaws.. :shock:

But did you know that all these refernces are ONE LINERS.. they just quote one line that suits them and ignore rather hide the very next sentence that explains the context??

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Let me show you how:

Hadith e Aysha RA

Ahmadi reference
زوجہ رسول ﷺ حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا
فرماتی ہیں

لوگو ! آنحضرت ﷺ کو خاتم النبیین تو کہو مگر ہر گز یہ نہ کہو کہ آپ ﷺ کے بعد کوئی نبی نہیں آئے گا ۔

(تفسیر الدرالمنثور جلد ۵ صفحہ ۲۰۴)

Complete Reference
The Ahmadis quote the narration that seems to support their beliefs and creates a
divide. However, what they conveniently
fail to report is the hadith immediately below in Al-Dur Al-Mansur, which explains the narration of Aisha.It is as follows:
وأخرج ابن أبي شيبة عن الشعبي رضي الله عنه قال: قال رجل عند المغيرة بن أبي شعبة صلى الله على محمد خاتم الأنبياء لا نبي بعده فقال المغيرة: حسبك إذا قلت خاتم الأنبياء، فإنا كنا نحدث أن عيسى عليه السلام خارج، فإن هو خرج فقد كان قبله وبعده.

Ibn Abi Shaybah reported that Al-Sha’abi said, “A man at [the company of] Al-
Mughirah ibn Abi Shu’ubah said, ‘May Allah bless Muhammad, the seal of the prophets;
there is no prophet after him.’ So Al-Mughirah said, ‘It is enough for you to say ‘the seal of the prophets’, for we were being told that ‘Isa will be appearing. So, when he
appears, he [‘Isa] would be before him and after him’.”

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The very next hadith narrated by same narrator explains Aysha RA statement. and its perfectly correlates the muslim view

Online access:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMa … nguageId=1

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Hazrat Ibn e Qateeba

Ahamdiyya view
قتیبہ
فرماتے ہیں

حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کا یہ قول آنحضرت ﷺ کے فرمان ’لانبی بعدی‘ کے مخالف نہیں کیونکہ حضور ﷺ کا مقصد اس فرمان سے یہ ہے کہ میرے بعد کوئی ایسا نبی نہیں جو میری شریعت کو منسوخ کرنے والا ہو ۔

(تاویل مختلف الاحادیث صفحہ ۲۳۶)

Complete Reference

وأما قول عائشة – رضي الله عنها – قولوا لرسول الله – صلى الله عليه وسلم – خاتم الأنبياء ولا تقولوا لا نبي بعده فإنها تذهب إلى نزول عيسى – عليه السلام – وليس هذا من قولها ناقضا لقول النبي – صلى الله عليه وسلم – لا نبي بعدي لأنه أراد لا نبي بعدي ، ينسخ ما جئت به كما كانت الأنبياء – صلى الله عليهم وسلم – تبعث بالنسخ ، وأرادت هي : لا تقولوا إن المسيح لا ينزل بعده .

The statement is in regard to ISA AS, And this statement does not contradict the statement of Holy Prophet PBUH : NO PROPHET AFTER ME. As he said meant that No Prophet will come after me and Aisha RA said ”
DONT SAY THAT (EVEN) ISA AS WILL NOT COME AFTER HIM”

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تاویل مختلف الاحادیث can be accessed online
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/disp … o=83&ID=49

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Hazrat Mohi Ud Din Ibn e Arabi

AHMADIYYA REFERENCE

حضرت محی الدین ابن عربی فرماتے ہیں

قول رسول کہ رسالت اور نبوت منقطع ہوگئی ہے ۔ میرے بعد نہ کوئی رسول ہے نہ کوئی نبی ، سے مراد یہ ہے کہ اب ایسا نبی نہیں ہوگا جو میری شریعت کے مخالف شریعت پر ہو ۔ بلکہ جب کبھی کوئی نبی ہوگا تو وہ میری شریعت کے حکم کے ماتحت ہوگا۔
(فتوحات مکیہ جلد ۲ صفحہ ۳)

Complete Reference

Just next to above statement

“This is not against his position in prophethood and not against ISA AS, the Nabi and the Prophet, and not against as He will will come down in the last era and he will not follow his order but our shari’a, and not the shari’at he brought to Bani Israel with which he already came.”

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Imam Tahir Gujrati

Ahamdi Narration

محدث امت امام محمد طاہر گجراتی
فرماتے ہیں

حضرت عائشہ رضی اللّٰہ عنہا کا یہ قول ’لانبی بعدی‘ کے منافی نہیں کیونکہ آنحضرت ﷺ کی مراد یہ ہے کہ ایسا نبی نہیں ہوگا جو آپ ﷺ کی شریعت کو منسوخ کرے ۔
(تکملہ مجمع البحار صفحہ ۸۵)

Complete Reference

Imam added

“قُولُوْا: خَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ، وَلاَتَقُوْلُوْا:لاَنَبِيَّ بَعْدِیْ”

(مصنف ابن ابی شیبہ:۹/۲۱۰ ھٰذَا نَاظِرٌ إِلیٰ نُزُوْلِ عِیْسَیٰ”

“this is narrated in context to coming of ISA.”

He further commented in meanings of term خَاتَمُ in his book:
“فنظرت الى خاتم النبوة بكسرا لتاءاى فاعل الختم وهو الاتمام و بفتحا بمعنى الطابع اى شي یدل على انه لا نبى بعده ”

(If you look at the KHATAM Un Nabuwat with KASARAH under Taa it means ” فاعل” that is meant a as الاتمام AL-ATMAAM or completion and FATAH means it to indicate that there is no prophet after him)

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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 09:00

SHAH WALI ULLAH حضرت شاہ ولی اللہ محدث

Ahmadiyya reference

The LAST of Prophets AS means that there can not be a reformer after him that can bring new Shar’ia.
“Tafheemat Ul Ilahia, VOl 2 page 85”

Complete reference

“وأبو بكر هو مقتد برسول فى دورة الكمال فاجمل كماله ٠٠٠ ”
So Abu Bakar as we see, followed Holy Prophet PBUH , His time was beautifully perfect , and guidance came from Allah SWT, And Umar RA inherited it, and took it to fullfilling the duties, then USMAN RA balanced it with his humble personality, In his time, Iman came and hearts opened. And ALI RA the perfect in knowledge”

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If we take ahmadiyya view of ‘ مصلح ‘ or reformer as NON LAW BEARING PROPHET then SHAH WALI ALLAH definitely added Hazrat ABUBAKAR, UMAR, USMAN and ALI رضى الله علىهم اجمعىن to prophets.. DID HE??

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NAWAB SIDDIQ HASSAN KHAN SAHIB

AHMADI REF

نواب نورالحسن خان فرماتے ہیں

حدیث ’لاوحی بعدی‘ بے اصل ہے۔البتہ ’لانبی بعدی‘ آیا ہے ۔ جس کے معنی نزدیک اہل علم کہ یہ ہیں کہ میرے بعد کوئی نبی شرع ناسخ نہ لاوے گا ۔

(اقتراب الساعہ صفحہ ۱۶۲)

Complete Reference

After writing the above statement that says ” ’لانبی بعدی means that no one will bring new shar’ia after Holy prophet PBUH” He added ” In his book, he has clearly explained that ISA AS will order our shari’a and this is concluded from Quran and Hadith.”

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Once again the lie is clear as they deliberately hide the further statement that correlates muslim view of coming of ISA AS.

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IMAM RAGHIB’s quote in BAHR E MOHIT

Ahmadi Reference

“وقوله: مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم، تفسير لقوله:
{ صراط الذين أنعمت عليهم }
[الفاتحة: 7] وهم من ذكر في هذه الآية. والظاهر أن قوله: من النبيين، تفسير للذين أنعم الله عليهم. فكأنه قيل: من يطع الله ورسوله منكم ألحقه الله بالذين تقدمهم ممن أنعم عليهم. قال الراغب: ممن أنعم عليهم من الفرق الأربع في المنزلة والثواب: النبي بالنبي، والصديق بالصديق، والشهيد بالشهيد، والصالح بالصالح. وأجاز الراغب أن يتعلق من النبيين بقوله: ومن يطع الله والرسول. أي: من النبيين ومن بعدهم، ”

BAHR E MOHIT vol 3 page 699

Complete Reference

ويكون قوله: فأولئك مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم إشارة إلى الملأ الأعلى. ثم قال: { وحسن أولئك رفيقاً } ويبين ذلك قول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم حين الموت ” اللهم ألحقني بالرفيق الأعلى ” وهذا ظاهر انتهى. وهذا الوجه الذي هو عنده ظاهر فاسد من جهة المعنى، ومن جهة النحو. أما من جهة المعنى فإنّ الرسول هنا هو محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، أخبر الله تعالى أنْ من يطيعه ويطيع رسوله فهو مع من ذكر، ولو كان من النبيين معلقاً بقوله: ومن يطع الله والرسول، لكان قوله: من النبيين تفسيراً لمن في قوله: ومن يطع. فيلزم أن يكون في زمان الرسول أو بعده أنبياء يطيعونه، وهذا غير ممكن، لأنه قد أخبر تعالى أنّ محمداً هو خاتم النبيين. وقال هو صلى الله عليه وسلم: ” لا نبي بعدي

ANd the saying: “they will be in the companionship of the blessed” clearly shows higher position. Then he said ( وحسن أولئك رفيقاً ) this can be narrated from saying of the Prophet PBUH before his death, he said : “O Allah the accept me, O My best companion.”. this phenomenon ( of prophethood) is over.because this is void in the apparent meanings . And in its meanings where Holy Prophet PBUH is subject that who ever obeyed HIM and his prophet will be from the later. From these Prophets are not included. Thus when its said: whoever obeys Allah and his prophet PBUH : can not say : from the Prophets. this explaination can not be from this saying. This is not possible for prophets to join after the time of HOLY PROPHET PBUH. And this is impossible. Because Allah has told about Holy Prophet PBUH that he is LAST PROPHET. And HOly Prophet PBUH (himself) said.” No Prophets After me”

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حکیم ترمذی HAKIM TRIMZI

چنانچہ نامور صوفی حضرت ابو عبداللہ محمد بن علی حسین الحکیم الترمذی
(متوفی۳۰۸ھ)کے نزدیک خاتم النبیین کے معنی محض آخری کرنے سے آنحضرت ﷺکی کوئی شان ظاہر نہیں ہوتی آپ لکھتے ہیں :
’’یُظَنُّ اَنَّ خاََتَمَ النَّبِیّٖنَ تَاْوِیْلُہٗ اَنَّہٗ اٰخِرُھُمْ مَبْعَثاً فَاَیُّ مَنْقَبَةٍ فیِْ ھٰذَاوَاَیُّ عِلْمٍ فِیْ ھٰذَا؟ھٰذَاَتأوِیْلُ الْبُلْہِ الْجَہَلَةِ‘‘
(کتاب ختم الاولیاء صفحہ۳۴۱ مطبع الکاثولیکیۃ بیروت)

ترجمہ :۔ یہ جو گمان کیا جاتا ہے کہ خاتم النبیین کی تاویل یہ ہے کہ آپ مبعوث ہونے کے اعتبار سے آخری نبی ہیں بھلا اس میں آپ کی کیا فضیلت وشان ہے؟ اور اس میں کونسی علمی بات ہے ؟یہ تاویل تو کم علم اور کم فہم لوگوں کی ہے ۔

He (may allah bless him ) said
“people consider that meaning of خاتم النبین are that he (saw) have been made the prophet in the end, but question is what makes him superior if such meanings are given to the term خاتم النبین ? what kind of knowledge is in these meanings ? this is the interpretation of ignorant people ”

Complete Reference

و مما ىحقق ذالك , ماروى فى الحدىث المعراج, منحدىث ابو جعفر الرازى,عن ربىع ابن ابى العالىه , فىما ىذكر من مجتمع الانبىاءفى المسجد الاقصى؛ ” فىذكر كل نبى من الله علىه. فكان من القول زسول الله صلى الله علىه وسلم , انه قال ؛ وجعلنى خاتِمً و فاتِحاً . فقال ابراهىم علىه السلام, بهذا فضلكم محمد “.

The General readers read KHATAM with Fatah on Taa, But the Scholars read with KASARAH under Taa. then it is interpreted as KHATIM that makes meaning of ” اسم فاعل “. that is : Last of the Prophet; who was given prophethood in the end. DO consider this that in the narration of Hadith of Miraj, the one narrated by ABu Jafar al-razi, from Rabi ibn e abi alia, it states the gathering of the prophets SA in Aqsa Mosque. And it is from saying of Holy Prophet. Thus Prophet of Allah said ( in Aqsa gathering) : He made me the LAST and the Opener. and Propher Ibrahim AS replied. O Muhammad PBUH! this is your excellence ( فضیلت۔, فوقیت ) .”

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Shaykh Abdul Karim

Ahmadi reference

” the oreder of shari’a ended with HOLY PROPHET PBUH, thats why he is LAST Prophet PBUH”

Al Insan Ul Kamil Page 115

Complete Reference

“As we have been told that this is related to coming of ISA AS”

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Kanzul Ummal كنزالعمال

Ahmadi Reference

When Holy Prophet PBUH came back from BADAR, His Uncle Hazrat ABBAS asked his permission to go back and come back to MADINAH for HIJRAH, But Holy Prophet PBUH said to him, “dont worry my dear Uncle, you are KHATAM UL MOHAJIREEN like I am KHATAM UL ANBIYA.”

Kanz Ul Ummal vol 13 Page 519.

Complete Reference

In the next Hadith:
” the HOLY PROPHET PBUH said to HIS UNCLE, “STAY in your House ( in MAKKAH) as Allah will END the HIJRAT with you as He ENDED the PROPHETHOOD with me”

Kanz Ul Ummal vol 13 Page 519.

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Please NOTE the all Muslim scholars comment on these hadith in reference to HIJRAT from MAKKAH to MADINA only, and HAZRAT ABBAS was LAST person, He was held back by Holy PROPHET PBUH in MAKKAH to keep contacts with Kuffars and help the poor migrants who were coming one by one

Masnad Imam Hunbal

Findings: I know about it, Just read the lines below the narration

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“When (chliphate of) UMAR BIN ABDUL AZIZ came, Yazid bin Bashir explained it under this hadith, that the narration came to existance by AMIR UL MOMINEEN means UMAR (bin Abdul Aziz)”

the Minhaj un Nabuwwat is Revival of Prophethood in terms of Islamic law and order but its nothing to do with Prophethood. The author relates this hadith to Caliphate of UMAR BIN ABDUL AZIZ, should we believe that he was a prophet too?

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad quotes Ibn Arabi in the 1900-1903 era and some weird comments on prophethood..

It is alleged that MGA said: 

”Ibn e Arabi has written that Law Bearing Prophethood has ended but Non Law bearing is still open, but I believe that all kinds of Prophet hoods have come to an end, except the one which is attained by being the resemblance of Prophet Muhammad (saw)”
(Malfuzat Vol.2 Pg.254)

However, Malufzaat was published almost 50 years MGA died
MGA never taught his followers anything, in a public setting or behind closed doors.  All MGA ever did was give instructions to his closest ghost writers, and behind closed doors.

Data on Malfuzat
Malfuzaat vol. 2 was Published in Rabwah, 1960, in Urdu, covering the period from 1900 to 1901. See “Hidden Treasures of Islam“.  This book gives summaries of all of MGA and his teams writings and etc.

They correspond this Malfuzat entry with the Al-Badr magazine (1st April 1903)
”Once a woman claimed Prophethood. When she was shown the hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), where he said ”There is no Prophet after me”, she replied ”Only Prophethood for men has come to an end, women can still become Prophets”

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Who is Major Dr. M. Shah Nawaz Khan (1899–1977)??

Intro
This was a fanatical Ahmadi, who’s father was a close companion of MGA.  The family of Major Dr. M. Shah Nawaz Khan seems to have made a website dedicated to their grandfathers and etc, here is the link: https://shahnawazkhan.weebly.com/.

The first page

“Tajalliyaat-i-Ilaahiyyah” or in english, “Divine Manifestations” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad published posthumously (1922)

Intro
Ahmadiyya INC is always lying about what MGA wrote and etc, in this specific case, we have across a book that published posthumously by Ahmadiyya leadership.  They write that it was published in 1922 and claim that it was written in 1906 (see page 387-389).  They claim that MGA began writing this book on March 15th, of 1906.  In this book, MGA highlights earthquakes and warns the world about some impending day of judgement-type of earthquakes.  Although recent Ahmadi sources tell us that MGA wrote this book in 1906, some earlier sources like Hasanat Ali’s, “Noorudin”, see page 101, tell us that portions of this book were also written in 1898, since MGA predicted the birth of Nooruddin’s son with spots all over his body.

Some quotes

“””I shall show you the flash of this Sign five times.”””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 1, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 395]

“””God says He would come secretly like thieves, that is to say, no astrologer or claimant of revelation or dreamer of dreams will be given any intimation of His coming except that much which He has revealed to His Promised Messiah or that which He might add to it later. After these Signs, a change will occur in the world, and the hearts of many will be drawn to God. Many noble souls will move away from the love of the world. The intervening obstructions of
heedlessness will be removed and they would be given to drink of the fountain of true Islam.”””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, pp. 2–3, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 396]

“”In a light slumber, I was shown a paper by God Almighty, on which was written:
 meaning that these Signs will prove the truth of the Holy Qur’an.””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 2 footnote, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 396 footnote]

“””[Persian] When the reign of the Messiah, the monarch begins, the Muslims who were
Muslims in name only will be reconverted to Islam.

In this revelation, by the reign of the just monarch is meant the period of the call of this humble one. No worldly kingdom is indicated here, but the kingdom of heaven that has been bestowed upon me. In summary, the meaning of this revelation is that when the kingdom of heaven, which in the estimation of Allah is the period of the Promised Messiah, began towards the end of the sixth millennium, as had been prophesied by previous Prophets, the effect of it was that those who were only Muslims in name began to be Muslims in fact, as has already happened in the case of about 400,000 of them.”””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 3, Ruhani Khaza’in, p. 20, p. 396–397 and Badr, vol. 2, no. 11,
March 16, 1906, p. 2 and al-Hakam, vol. 10, no. 9 March 17, 1906, p. 1]

“””[That is, O Moon, O Sun, you are from Me and I am from you] In this revelation God Almighty has first called me: Moon; being Himself the Sun. This means that as the light of the moon is a bounty from, the sun, in the same way my light is a bounty from God Almighty. Then God has named Me: Sun; being Himself the Moon. This means that He will demonstrate His majestic light through me. He was hidden and will manifest Himself through me. The world was not aware of His Brightness. But now, through me, His majestic light will spread in all directions.”””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 4, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 397]

The Promised Messiah[as] said: Yesterday I was repeating the revelation

1015 —The reference is to the revelation: [Urdu] I shall
show you the flash of this Sign five times. [Jalal-ud-Din Shams]

when the following Persian verse, which appears after the revelation

1016—The reference is to: [Persian] When the reign of the Messiah, the monarch begins. [Mirza Bashir Ahmad]

mentioned earlier, was suddenly breathed into my soul:

1017—-Persian] Do not undervalue his rank, for Prophets have taken pride in his epoch. [Publishers]

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 4, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 397 and Badr, vol. 2, no. 13,
dated March 29, 1906, p. 1 and al-Hakam, vol. 10, no. 9, March 17, 1906, p. 1]

“””(B) God addressed me and said: Meaning that [Arabic] A time is coming when there will be no one left in this hell which is the hell of plague and earthquakes. That is, in this country. The same will happen here as happened in the case of the people of Nuhas [Noah] that after the death of a large number of people there followed a period of security.


Then after this revelation Allah the Almighty said: That is [Arabic] Then the supplications of
people will be heard, there will be seasonable rains, abundant yields of fruits and harvests, a
time of joy, and freedom from extraordinary afflictions.””””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 7, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 399] (see also, 2009 online edition of Tadhkirah).  

“”””God has informed me that Maulavi Hakeem Noor-ud-Deen would have a son and there would be small spots on his body signifying “it is the same son who has been prophesied,” and it happened so, that later Hakeem Sahib had a son, who was named Abdul Hayee, and when he was born, he had those small spots and those spots were still on his body.”””

Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, (Divine Manifestations, p. 30)Also see Hasanat Ali’s, “Noorudin”, see page 101

“””In a state of vision I was shown those kings, who were riding upon horses, and I was told: These are the ones who will carry the yoke of your obedience on their necks and God will bless them.”””

“””This morning, March 15, 1906, Thursday, I again received
the revelation:

This means that through these five earthquakes God will manifest His countenance and demonstrate His being. And you are to Me like My manifestation, that is ‘your coming
is like My perfect manifestation’. It is God’s promise that He will manifest Himself through five earthquakes and the promise of God will not be averted and is bound to be fulfilled.”””

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p. 13, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 404 and
al-Hakam, vol. 10, no. 9, March 17, 1906, p. 1]

[Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, first edition, p. 21 footnote, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, p. 409 footnote]

“”””God has repeatedly informed me that He would honour me and the love of Him would be instilled in the hearts of the people. And my Movement will spread all over the world and my movement will triumph over all others and the people of my Movement will gain an excellence in the fields of knowledge and learning. And He will silence all, with the Divine signs and truth. Every nation will come to this stream, and this Movement will increase, grow and prosper till the time that it will overwhelm the whole of the world. There will be numerous difficulties and trials but God will remove all this, from the way and will fulfil His promise, and addressing me God has told:

‘I shall honour thee and bless thee so much so that kings will seek blessings from thy clothes. Therefore, all ye listen, remember and secure these tidings in your caskets that this is a Divine word which will one day manifest itself with full glory. “””

(Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, p.17, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol 20, p. 409)

“””I received this honour through obedience to the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. Had I not been one of his followers, I would never have been honoured with the Divine word, even if my striving and my deeds had matched the grandeur and height of all the mountains, for all prophethoods, except the prophethood of Muhammad, have come to an end. No law-bearing prophet can now arise, but a prophet without law may arrive, provided he is primarily a follower of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. Thus I am both a follower and a prophet.””””

(Tajalliyyat-e-Ilahiyyah, pp. 19-20, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 20, pp. 411-412)

 

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that his coming to Earth was revealed in Surah Fatiha!!! Review of Religions, Feb 1924



Intro

My team and I have written about the wild claims of MGA many times.  We have written how MGA was most likely planning on claiming to be a law-bearing prophet if he had lived to 1911.  Further, in the era of 1900 to possibly 1935, Ahmadi’s considered MGA to be equal to Muhammad (saw) (nauzobillah) and vice versa.  This article is a translation of some arabic writings of MGA, that seem to have been recovered in this era, and then translated by M. Rahim Baksh.  The Review of Religions, was edited by the Khalifa’s younger brother, Mirza Bashir Ahmad, who was the only college educated child of the mirza family by 1924.

Highlights of this article
1—MGA claims that his coming was actually revealed to Muhammad (saw) in Surah Fatiha.
2—MGA claims to be the final brick, in the house of prophets, not Muhammad (saw).
3—MGA claims that the Jews are an accursed people and that Muslims have become just like the Jews.

The article
Prophecy Contained in The Opening Chapter of The Quran

Eye-witnesses state that Ahmadis had revolvers during the Rabwah incident, Pakistan Times, June 19th, 1974



Intro

We have written about the Rabwah incident at length, see here: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/26/the-samdani-commission-interviewed-mr-arbab-alam-president-of-the-student-union-nishter-medical-college-he-was-an-eye-witness-pakistan-times-june-20th-1974/

and here

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/03/mirza-nasir-ahmad-mirza-tahir-ahmad-and-mirza-masroor-are-all-missing-on-may-31st-1974/

Read this to get caught up on info: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/03/abdul-sami-zafar-tells-the-inside-story-on-the-may-29th-1974-rabwah-train-attacks/

 

 

Our notes from the testimony of eye-witnesses
1—Ahmadis planned this attack.
2—Ahmadis boarded the train and attacked defense-less teenagers with weapons.
3—A few Ahmadis were carrying revolvers.
4—This was a  terrorist attack ordered by the Khalifa

The story from the Pakistan Times   

“””””””Mr. Arbab Alam, Final year student of the Nishter Medical College, Multan and President of the Students Union of his college, who was injured during the disturbances at Rabwah Railway Station on May 29, stated on Thursday that two of the assailants had revolvers with them.

He was recording his evidence before the Tribunal comprising Mr. Justice K.M.A Samdani, inquiring into the Rabwah incident.

The witness stated that in order to force open a door of a smaller compartment where the students of NMC (Nishter Medical College) had taken refuge, one of the men armed had threatened to fire.  At this stage another man entered the compartment and tapped the shoulder of the man holding the revolver and told him that the time to use weapon had not yet come.

He stated some of the people who had launched the attack on NMC students were armed with hockey sticks, chains, small hammers and whips.  One of them was carrying a sword, he added.

Narrating the incident, Mr. Arbab Alam stated that as soon as the trained stopped, they started hitting the students who were sitting on seats on the platform side of windows with their respective weapons.  They hit the windows of the compartment with small hammers, the witness added.  

“I told the students not to get perturbed and directed them to draw the shutters and close the doors of the compartment.  But they could not go close to the windows because of the attack.  However, they managed to draw the shutters with much difficulty.  But one of the windows got stuck and could not be closed.  Meanwhile the crowd started pelting stones through the half-closed window, the Mob also tried to use lathis (a large bamboo stick) and small hammers through the window.  The students however managed to check the attack by obstructing the half-closed window with holdalls”

In the meantime, Mr. Arbab Alam stated the mob broke open one of the doors and entered the bogie upon which the witness directed other students to move to the rear towards the small compartment of the bogie and close it from the inside.  Hardly the students had moved to the rear, a group of 15 to 20 persons entered the compartment and two of them began throwing out students’ luggage on the platform and yard side as well.  

The witness who was in the middle of the compartment enquired of the intruders if someone among the students had misbehaved with them and “I assured them that if anyone had, I would call for his explanation” he stated.  

“”Meanwhile, two or three of them began pulling a sick student who was lying on an upper berth.  As the sick student resisted they could not pull him down from the berth.  Having failed to do so, they attacked him with small hammers.  He, however, fell off and later managed to run away to the rear compartment.  Later when they addressed me, enquiring as to who was the group in-charge of the students, I told them that it was I.  Meanwhile one of them hit me with a tea-mug, which they had picked up from our compartment.  As my head reeled with the blow, obliging me to seek support against a side-window, someone hit me from behind with something I became semi-unconscious and fell down.  However, shortly afterwards, I regained my senses.  But I continued to lie on the aisle and I could hear the noise.”””

As Mr. Arbab lay there, he noticed that intruders were trying to push the smaller compartment of the bogie.

In the meantime, he stated, Mr. Amin, another student of his college and who happened to be Nazim of Islami Jamiat-i-Tulaba, entered his compartment.  “I saw him bleeding from his head, and his clothes were stained with blood” he stated.  The witness told Mr. Amin that as he was unable top move he should lie on a lower berth.  Some time later some railway men visited them in the compartment and assured them that the assailants had gone, he deposed.

The witness stated that he had heard slogans of “Mirzaiiat-zindabad”, Mohammadiyat murdabad”. “Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ki jai” and “Nishtat ke Musle hai hai”.  In addition to hearing the slogans, while lying on the aisle of the compartment, he overheard people talking that the bogie should be disconnected from the train.  Some said that it should be set on fire, while some others suggested that they should take us  (NMC students) away and wait for some one to come and take them.

Earlier, the witness stated six men boarded the students’ bogie at Sarghoda.  When the NMC students objected to their presence in their bogie, they got off the train at the next station –Shaheenabad.  It were these 6 men, he said, whom he saw calling the crowd at the Rabwah railway station with the help of their hands while standing in the doorway of the last bogies of the train.

Following the attack, Mr. Arbab stated, 13 NMC students including himself were admitted to Nishtar Hospital, Multan.  “I was discharged from the hospital on June 11th, he stated.  

Earlier, he added, the injured students had objected to the rendering of first aid to them at Lyallpur railway station by Mr. Abdul Wali, stated to be a Mirzai.  

Mr. Ejaz Hussain Batalvi, counsel for the Ahmadiyya community, asked Mr. Arbab Alam a number of questions pertaining to internal politics of Nishtar Medical College to contend that students of the institution were divided into 2 hostile groups and this hostility had some bearing on the Rabwah incident.  

Cross-examined, the witness stated that he had not stepped out of his compartment at Rabwah on May 29, in reply to another question, he stated: “I do not know whether or not the luggage of students was thrown out of the train and was later collected, nor did I enquire about it from students.”  

Narrating the incident that occurred on May 22 while the NMC students were travelling in the Peshawar-bound Chenab Express, indicated that the incident was a sequel to the exception taken by students to the distribution of the daily Al-Fazl among them and preaching by an Ahmadi at the Rabwah railway station.

The incident had resulted in the raising of slogans by the students which were “Narraa-i-Takbir” “allah-o-akbar” “Islam-zindabad” “Khatme Nabuwwat zindabad” “Mirzaiyat murdabad”and “Mirzai thah”, he stated.  

Earlier, Mr. Bashir Ahmad of Sarghoda who was travelling on the Chenab Express on May 29 from Sarghoda on his way to Quetta, stated that a boy in his compartment had pulled the chain when the train steamed into the Rabwah station.  As soon as the train stopped, he said, a group of 15-16 young men entered his compartment.  They caught hold of one of the students there and began belaboring him.  After beating one, they pounced upon another but did not beat him severely.  The student who the intruders had earlier beaten up later took refuge under one of the seats of the compartment to save his life from the subsequent assaults, he said.  The attacked student has also sought his protection, he added.  

Later, he said a group of 10 persons entered the compartment, looking for students, but when we told them the men there was none, they left, he said.  The intruders, he said were armed with sticks, one of them was carrying a whip and the rest of them were empty handed, the witness stated that he had seen various groups of persons entering different compartments.  However, I cannot say what they did in the compartments, he added.  

Cross-examined by Mr. Ejaz Hussain Batalvi, the witness stated “we had not intervened to rescue the students because we were afraid that we might be beaten up.”  In reply to a question, he said while beating up those boys, the assailants were saying, “Come along we will give you the hooris”

Ch. Rafique Ahmad Bajwa, one of the counsel appearing in the inquiry, prayed the tribunal to summon confidential reports submitted by the Deputy Commissioner, Jhang, to the Home secretary from December 1873 to May 1974.

As the inquiry was in progress, a man from Jhang, stated to be a lawyer, appeared before the tribunal and sought permission to file documents pertaining to land bought by the Ahmadia community in Rabwah.  He submitted the Ahmadis had bought the land for Rs. 250 per square.  He indicated that Ahmadis had been violating the agreement under which the land was transferred to them.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the FINAL BRICK of prophets!!!!

Intro
As we all know, by 1900, MGA was claiming to be equal to Muhammad (saw) (nauzobillah). In fact, in MGA’s fake Eid-lecture, “Khutbah Ilhamia”, he tells us that he is the Final Brick of the prophets.  However, it was Muhammad (saw) who is the FINAL brick, and it was Muhammad (Saw) who was explaining how he was the FINAL prophet, and thus used this argument.  The truth is, MGA was going to claim to be a law-bearing prophet eventually, hence, his team was laying the ground work, the same way they did in 1880, as MGA casually claimed to get divine revelation.

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