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MGA never led Salaat in his entire life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Intro
For the past 2 years, my team of writers/researchers and I have continuously told Ahmadis and Non-Ahmadis that MGA was incapable of leading Salaat.  MGA spoke with a terrible stutter/stammer, he could never properly memorize any chapters of the Quran, he was always high on opium, his Arabic tajweed was terrible-he had a Punjabee accent as he spoke in Arabic.  Thus, ever since MGA attended his father’s Masjid Aqsa, there was a hired Imam who led the prayers.  Further, in 1884, when MGA had Masjid Mubarak built, MGA hired an Imam.  After MGA made his claims in 1891, Abdul Karim, Maulvi Ahsan, Nooruddin, Mufti Muhammad Sadiq or any other Muslim would lead the prayers, the same was to be said about the Masjid Aqsa, these were the two only masjids in Qadian.  In the below, I have posted “new-information” on this topic, per 12-9-17.  My team has located the Malfuzat of 1903 wherein an excuse was given by Ahmadiyya leadership as to why MGA never led salaat, they went so far as to argue that the Messiah wasn’t supposed to lead Salaat per hadith. However, they casually forget that MGA also claimed to be the Mahdi, and the Mahdi was supposed to lead Salaat, hence, MGA has failed the most basic criteria of the Mahdi, the leading of Salaat.  In fact, while MGA would perform Salaat, his fanatical followers were known to approach MGA (during salaat) and stroke his body sexually.

Further, we have argued with Ahmadis on this topic endlessly, the hard-core Ahmadi never admitted that MGA failed to be an Imam even once in his life, they would always deflect our allegations, and in typical brainwashed fashion.  However, with this reference, the story is now closed and confirmed.  MGA never led Salaat in his entire life.  This particular incident was also quoted in the official Ahmadi newspaper, the Badr.

Malfuzat from 1903
It should be noted, this volume of Malfuzat was Published in Rabwah, 1961, in Urdu, covering the period from November 1901 to October 14, 1902 (see page xl).

Malfoozat 21-oct-1903 . Vol. 3 by Mirza Ghulam Ahamd Qadyani (also reported in Al-badar ) says

“Regarding leading in prayers , one guy question that why hazrat do not lead the prayers ? Answered that it is written in hadees that Maseeh that has to come will pray behind others “

The scans

Another reference that proves that MGA never led Salaat

(Malfoozat, Volume 2, Page 211-212)

“”Look, we also take advantage of this leniency as it has been almost two months that we have been combining the prayers. This is because of the reason of my sickness, and because of the writing of the commentary of Surah Fatiha. In the combining of these prayers, the hadith وَتُجْمَعُ لَهُ الصَّلاةُ is being fulfilled which means that the prayers will be combined for the sake of The Promised Messiahas. From this we also infer that at the time of The Promised Messiahas, he will not lead the prayers, but it will be someone else. This Imam will combine the prayers for the sake of The Promised Messiahas, and this is what is happening today. The days we cannot come due to increased sickness, the prayers are combined during these days and we infer from the words of this hadith that it was through love that The Holy Prophetsaw said that ‘it will happen for his sake’. It should be that we look upon the prophecies of The Holy Prophetsaw with great respect and importance and should not be careless of them, otherwise it is will be of great sin that we look down upon the prophecies of The Holy Prophetsaw. God Almighty created the reason by which the prayers were being combined for so long, otherwise this would only be for two days and it would not be a sign. We respect every world and letter of The Holy Prophetsaw. “”

qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_1.pdf
pdf page 20 of 296
Narration no. 19

” My mother narrated to me that mgaq got first attack of dizziness and hysteria few days after the death of Bashir 1 (we had an elder brother who died in 1888). While sleeping he got choked and then condition woresned but that attack was light. Then after some time (few days) he went out saying that I am not feeling well today. Mother said after some time sheikh Hamid Ali ( he was an old sincere servent of mgaq, he is dead now) knocked at the door and asked for a pitcher of hot water. Mother said, I knew that mgaq’s condition is worsened, so I asked a maid to ask him (sh hamid) about mgaq’s condition. Sh Hamid Ali said its bad. I went inside the mosque and saw mgaq lying. I went near him he said- I m not feeling well. I was praying and saw something black raised in front of me and went up to sky. Then I screamed and fell down and became like fainted. Mother says that after that he started getting these attacks on REGULAR BASIS. This humble one asked what was attack like, she said that his hands and feet got cold, body nerves got shrunk specially neck’s and then dizziness started. In that condition, he was unable to support his body. In the beginning, these attacks / seizures were svere but later on there was no such severity and he became used to that.

Humble one asked, did he ever get any problem with his head? Mother said, before he used to get nominal headache attacks. Humble one asked, did he use to lead the prayers, mother said yes, but due to attacks he stopped. Humble one states that was before the claim of being Massiah. ”

MGA’s wife confirms that MGA never led salat after 1888
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/12/nusrat-jehan-begum-claims-that-mga-only-led-salaat-before-4-november-1888-never-after/

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad never led Salaat!!!!!!!

Intro
We all know that MGA never did any public speeches.  We also know that he only had 5-debates in his entire life and they were all written debates, and Noorudin was always close by as well as Abdul Kareem and the rest of the team.  Officially, as of 1891, Maulvi Abdul Kareem, Amrohi and Noorudin were the imams of the mosque at Qadian.  They led all the prayers, they did all the friday sermons and wrote all of the books.  Mufti Sadiq also helped.  As did Muhammad Ali later on and many many others.  Before 1891, MGA had other people lead the salaat, the father of Jalal-uddin-Shams comes to mind.

Nonetheless, MGA couldn’t memorize the quran and was mostly high on opium, so he could never lead prayers.  That’s what my research indicates.

The Quote
SEERATUL MAHDI PART-III PAGE 111
“””Stated to me by Dr. Mir Muhammad Ismail that once Due to some reasons Molvi Abdul Karim could not lead the prayers, Molvi Nooruddin was also not present, so Hazrat Sahab ( MGAQ) asked Hakeem Fazluddin to lead the prayer. Hakeem Fazluddin excused to offer the services by saying how can i lead the prayer when huzur know that i have been suffering from PILES and can,t maintain my ablution (WAZU) due to gaseous emissions all the time. Huzur asked hakeem Fazluddin, are your prayers valid despite the problem? He said yes they are valid. Then lead the prayer , our prayer will also be valid said hazrat sahab”””

The scan work
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Another quote
qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_1.pdf
pdf page 20 of 296
Narration no. 19

” My mother narrated to me that mgaq got first attack of dizziness and hysteria few days after the death of Bashir 1 (we had an elder brother who died in 1888). While sleeping he got choked and then condition woresned but that attack was light. Then after some time (few days) he went out saying that I am not feeling well today. Mother said after some time sheikh Hamid Ali ( he was an old sincere servent of mgaq, he is dead now) knocked at the door and asked for a pitcher of hot water. Mother said, I knew that mgaq’s condition is worsened, so I asked a maid to ask him (sh hamid) about mgaq’s condition. Sh Hamid Ali said its bad. I went inside the mosque and saw mgaq lying. I went near him he said- I m not feeling well. I was praying and saw something black raised in front of me and went up to sky. Then I screamed and fell down and became like fainted. Mother says that after that he started getting these attacks on REGULAR BASIS. This humble one asked what was attack like, she said that his hands and feet got cold, body nerves got shrunk specially neck’s and then dizziness started. In that condition, he was unable to support his body. In the beginning, these attacks / seizures were svere but later on there was no such severity and he became used to that.

Humble one asked, did he ever get any problem with his head? Mother said, before he used to get nominal headache attacks. Humble one asked, did he use to lead the prayers, mother said yes, but due to attacks he stopped. Humble one states that was before the claim of being Massiah. “

Conclusions
MGA was not any type of Imam.  He hired Noorudin and his friends to write and lead prayers for him and to give speeches on this behalf.  Check my other essays on MGA and his lack of leading salaat here: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/03/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-got-stroked-during-salaat/

 

Nusrat Jehan Begum claims that MGA only led Salaat before 4 November 1888, never after

Intro
Ahmadi’s are very stubborn people.  This is their biggest malfunction.  We have posted data on this blog for years indicating that MGA never led salaat for any congregation.  Ahmadi’s refused to believe it.  It was too much for them, they then began to argue that MGA did in-fact lead some salaat.  However, after some additional digging, we have uncovered that MGA never led salaat at least after Nov. 4th, 1888.  The testimony in the below proves that.  Further, MGA barely had any followers to lead salaat for before this date.  We suspect that he still never led salaat, and even if he did, it was in-front of small children or gullible peers who never tried to correct MGA when he made mistakes.

The quote

qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_1.pdf
pdf page 20 of 296
Narration no. 19

”My mother narrated to me that mgaq got first attack of dizziness and hysteria few days after the death of Bashir 1 (we had an elder brother who died in 1888). While sleeping he got choked and then condition woresned but that attack was light. Then after some time (few days) he went out saying that I am not feeling well today. Mother said after some time sheikh Hamid Ali ( he was an old sincere servent of mgaq, he is dead now) knocked at the door and asked for a pitcher of hot water. Mother said, I knew that mgaq’s condition is worsened, so I asked a maid to ask him (sh hamid) about mgaq’s condition. Sh Hamid Ali said its bad. I went inside the mosque and saw mgaq lying. I went near him he said- I m not feeling well. I was praying and saw something black raised in front of me and went up to sky. Then I screamed and fell down and became like fainted. Mother says that after that he started getting these attacks on REGULAR BASIS. This humble one asked what was attack like, she said that his hands and feet got cold, body nerves got shrunk specially neck’s and then dizziness started. In that condition, he was unable to support his body. In the beginning, these attacks / seizures were svere but later on there was no such severity and he became used to that.

Humble one asked, did he ever get any problem with his head? Mother said, before he used to get nominal headache attacks. Humble one asked, did he use to lead the prayers, mother said yes, but due to attacks he stopped. Humble one states that was before the claim of being Massiah. ”

 

The Majlis Khuddam-ul-Ahmadiyya (MKA) pledge is unconstitutional in America, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, India and every country in the world


Intro

The Mirza family is a sick dynasty comparable to the Kim Dynasty in North Korea.  The Mirza family has been seeking its own state/country since 1947 and has gotten lots of help from the British.  This pledge which is forced upon all Ahmadi’s as soon as they turn 15 and is unconstitutional to any country in the world .  It basically forces young Ahmadi’s to recite their allegiance to the Mirza family, over and over and over again, its level-1 brainwashing.  Similarly, in North Korea, China and the trump administration, people are forced to recite their pledge of allegiance often, and thus the brainwashing is complete.  This is why Ahmadi’s can never be trusted, they are working behind the scenes to help advance the political objectives of the Mirza family and eventually acquire their own country.

Can Pakistani’s trust anyone who isn’t totally loyal to Pakistan?
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/09/06/can-atifrmian-be-trusted-by-the-pakistani-government-and-muslim-people/

When was this pledge created?
It’s unclear when this pledge was created.  MKA was created in 1938.  There are also by-laws and a set of rules for MKA, its origination is also unknown.

Videos

Was Ahmadiyya created by the British?
As we all know, in the art of War, nations find minority groups in any given country and support them and put them into power.  The USA has done this many times over, they have also installed puppet governments into power and then removed them as needed.

Related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/03/abdul-sami-zafar-tells-the-inside-story-on-the-may-29th-1974-rabwah-train-attacks/

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Responding to ahmadi.answers.com in terms of MGA leading Salat, which he never did


Intro

I am writing this entry as I refute the silly counter argument by the unofficial website ahmadianswers.com.  Razi, who is the only author of the website seems to have seen my argument many months ago and then wrote a response.  However, in his response, he contradicts himself many times, practices academic dishonesty and refuses to comment on the the most credible witness and report.  He then quotes 3 references from Seeratul Mahdi and then doesn’t comment on them at all, nor does he highlight any text from these references.  In the below, I will give the timeline of arguments on this topic, as well as the Ahmadi spin doctors and their methodology.

1903 era
By 1903, it was obvious that MGA was not leading any prayers at Qadian or anywhere else.  In fact, look at these references:

Malfuzat from 1903
It should be noted, this volume of Malfuzat was Published in Rabwah, 1961, in Urdu, covering the period from November 1901 to October 14, 1902 (see page xl).

Malfoozat 21-oct-1903 . Vol. 3 by Mirza Ghulam Ahamd Qadyani (also reported in Al-badar ) says

“Regarding leading in prayers , one guy question that why hazrat do not lead the prayers ? Answered that it is written in hadees that Maseeh that has to come will pray behind others “

The scans

Another reference that proves that MGA never led Salaat

(Malfoozat, Volume 2, Page 211-212)

“”Look, we also take advantage of this leniency as it has been almost two months that we have been combining the prayers. This is because of the reason of my sickness, and because of the writing of the commentary of Surah Fatiha. In the combining of these prayers, the hadith وَتُجْمَعُ لَهُ الصَّلاةُ is being fulfilled which means that the prayers will be combined for the sake of The Promised Messiahas. From this we also infer that at the time of The Promised Messiahas, he will not lead the prayers, but it will be someone else.This Imam will combine the prayers for the sake of The Promised Messiahas, and this is what is happening today. The days we cannot come due to increased sickness, the prayers are combined during these days and we infer from the words of this hadith that it was through love that The Holy Prophetsaw said that ‘it will happen for his sake’. It should be that we look upon the prophecies of The Holy Prophetsaw with great respect and importance and should not be careless of them, otherwise it is will be of great sin that we look down upon the prophecies of The Holy Prophetsaw. God Almighty created the reason by which the prayers were being combined for so long, otherwise this would only be for two days and it would not be a sign. We respect every world and letter of The Holy Prophetsaw. “”

The earliest sources prove that it was common knowledge to all ahmadi’s who visited Qadian, that MGA didn’t lead any salat, nor did he ever lead a Friday Sermon.  
This is proven.  Then, we have the tesimony from MGA’s wife:

qarchives.com/misc/Seeratul_Mahdi_1.pdf
pdf page 20 of 296
Narration no. 19

” My mother narrated to me that mgaq got first attack of dizziness and hysteria few days after the death of Bashir 1 (we had an elder brother who died in 1888). While sleeping he got choked and then condition woresned but that attack was light. Then after some time (few days) he went out saying that I am not feeling well today. Mother said after some time sheikh Hamid Ali ( he was an old sincere servent of mgaq, he is dead now) knocked at the door and asked for a pitcher of hot water. Mother said, I knew that mgaq’s condition is worsened, so I asked a maid to ask him (sh hamid) about mgaq’s condition. Sh Hamid Ali said its bad. I went inside the mosque and saw mgaq lying. I went near him he said- I m not feeling well. I was praying and saw something black raised in front of me and went up to sky. Then I screamed and fell down and became like fainted. Mother says that after that he started getting these attacks on REGULAR BASIS. This humble one asked what was attack like, she said that his hands and feet got cold, body nerves got shrunk specially neck’s and then dizziness started. In that condition, he was unable to support his body. In the beginning, these attacks / seizures were svere but later on there was no such severity and he became used to that.

Humble one asked, did he ever get any problem with his head? Mother said, before he used to get nominal headache attacks. Humble one asked, did he use to lead the prayers, mother said yes, but due to attacks he stopped. Humble one states that was before the claim of being Massiah. ”

Razi totally ignores these references
In classic Ahmadi fashion, the owner of the ahmadi.answers website doesn’t even consider this data when he wrote his essay.  That is academic dishonesty.

Another important quote which proves that MGA never led salat

The Quote
SEERATUL MAHDI PART-III PAGE 111
“””Stated to me by Dr. Mir Muhammad Ismail that once Due to some reasons Molvi Abdul Karim could not lead the prayers, Molvi Nooruddin was also not present, so Hazrat Sahab ( MGAQ) asked Hakeem Fazluddin to lead the prayer. Hakeem Fazluddin excused to offer the services by saying how can i lead the prayer when huzur know that i have been suffering from PILES and can,t maintain my ablution (WAZU) due to gaseous emissions all the time. Huzur asked hakeem Fazluddin, are your prayers valid despite the problem? He said yes they are valid. Then lead the prayer , our prayer will also be valid said hazrat sahab”””

The scan work
16998162_738375419656767_2536717451838703720_n

 

Razi mentions three references from Seeratul Mahdi
Sirat-ul-Mahdi Volume 1 Page 15
…”I was leading the prayers when…”

Sirat ul Mahdi, volume 1, Page 21
 “…(someone) relates that once when Maulvi Sahib (Nuruddin r.a.) had left Qadian, I came for Maghrib salaat, whereupon I saw the Promised Messiah a.s. himself leading the prayer. … Hadhrat Sahib recited two short Surahs but people were crying out of (the) melting & sorrow (in their hearts) …”

Sirat ul Mahdi, Volume 1, Page 530—

” p. 530 states: in the beginning, the Promised Messiah a.s. used the lead the salaat himself in Masjid Mubarak. One person would stand on his right side, & only 4-5 followers could stand behind…”

What do these 3 references prove?
Firstly, the data in inconclusive and is presented out of context.  We don’t what years these are referring to.  These could be before 1888 and hence, it proves our point that MGA never led salat after 1888.  Before 1888, we agree that MGA may have accidentally led salat in front of 4-5 people (his inner circle), wherein MGA’s speech was unintelligible and no one dared to say anything to him.  MGA was not a proper imam and that’s why he appointed Abdul Karim and Noorudin as Imam’s.

The hadith that Razi presents
Firstly, this entire argument comes from the old ahmadi sources, not Razi.  Further, it is academic dishonesty to use this argument, i.e. that MGA didn’t lead salat because of hadith.  We are not denying that MGA may have led salat before 1888 in front of kids or old people.  The reality is that Esa (as) when he would descend would be ignorant of Arabic, and the quran, hence, he would be asked to lead salat and he would defer.  Esa (as) and the Mahdi are 2 separate people per 99% of islamic scholars.  The Mahdi would be an Arab with a good command of Arabic and a wonderful voice.  Ahmadiyya leaders are mixing the true purport of a hadith and twisting it to cover-up the fact that MGA was high on opium all day and was incapable of leading salat or even teaching Islam to his own children.  In fact, at Qadian, people would visit and mistake Abdul Karim as MGA, since Abdul Karim would lead the salat with MGA on his right side.

MGA led salat with someone on his right side?
Sirat ul Mahdi, Volume 1, Page 530 and other references seem to indicate that MGA would stand to the right of the imam, and thus give the impression that he was leading salat, when in reality, he wasn’t.  If you look closely at the small prayer hall in masjid mubarak, you will notice that the place for the imam actually has place for 2 people, and MGA would regularly find himself to the right of whomever was leading the salat.

Related Essays
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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/06/mirza-ghulam-ahmads-arabic-came-with-a-punjabee-accent/

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Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad never wrote any books or never penned any articles

Intro
Just like his father, Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad barely wrote anything.  Even in the Talim-ul-Islam school of Qadian, the Ahmadi-mullahs passed him even when he failed.  He stared the Tashhiz al-Azhan magazine in 1906 and was allowed to create his own sub-organization within Ahmadiyya, the Ansarullah.  The friends and well wishers of the Mian Sahib wrote for him and on his behalf.  In fact, in that same era, and in response to an argument by Muhammad Ali, the Qadiani-Khalifa seems to admit that his own newspaper, the Tashhiz al-Azhan continued to write the name Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad as the editor of the newspaper (as late as 1913), even though he was not, he claims that he had no connection with his own newspaper since 1911.  Further, Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad never wrote any books either, he dictated what needed to be written and then proof read it or had another mullah proof read it.  This even holds true for those commentaries of the Quran that Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad takes credit for, which are incomplete.

The quote
“””In the first place, the words of Maulawi Muhammad Ahsan possess no special authority. They may be regarded as possessing the same value as the words of any other learned man. In the second place, the publication of his article in the Tashhidhul Adhhan cannot lend any special value to the views expressed therein, because the article was published in October, 1913, when I had already for two years ceased to have any active connection with the magazine. At that time Qazi Muhammad Zahuruddin Akmal was the de facto editor of the Magazine. The managing body of the paper, however, continued to print my name on the cover in order to retain its popularity, inasmuch as it was I who had been editing it since its foundation. Under the circumstances, if any particular view was at that time published in the magazine, it cannot justly be cited against me. I was not then its active editor nor were the articles published in the magazine shown to me whether in original or in proof.””””  (See “Truth about the split”, online edition, page 125,https://www.alislam.org/library/book/the-truth-about-the-split/ ).  

Ahmadi teachers at the Talim ul Islam High School were corrupt, they would pass Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad, even when he failed

Intro
Ahmadiyya is a total fraud.  MGA and his family were all dummies and idiots who had no academic ability at all.  MGA’s precious “promised-son” aka Musleh Maud was a bad child, he never did anything good in his whole life, he lived the life of the son of a prophet, and indulged in women, men, drugs and everything Haraam.  In this specific reference, we have found Ahmadi-Mullahs admitting that they falsified records and passed Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad even when he failed in school.  He was a student at the newly built Talim ul Islam School at Qadian, which was shut down by 1904 and never officially re-started until 1947, in Lahore.   It should be understood that Middle = eighth class age would be, about 13-14 years. Next level in pakistan, after 2 years – is interence = age of 15-16 years. another 2 years of study = FA. And another 2 years of study =BA

The story

Alfazal 2 October 1935

“””At the occasion of Nikah of Mirza Mahmood to Maryam Sidiqa daughter of Mir Mohammed Ismaeel(brother of nusrat) Mufti M Sadiq announces the Nikah and it is a long one but on page 2 Mufti sadiq says (Masih Maood instructed me to learn Ibrani Language. There was written in sacred books of Ibrani, that first Masih did not marry (Hazrat eisa AS) but 2nd masih will marry and will have siblings, and his son will be his successor. Since that time i knew that you shall be Khalifa. People who rejected your khilafat are very unfortunate. Today blessings of Khilafat are appearing like the sun. Today, for the propagation of Islam, the missionaries are spread in all the countries, and the work is done in such a way, Islamic history of thousand years cannot show that example. All this is being achieved with the blessing of that one pure soul (mirza ghulam). Allah granted everything to you himself. Hazrat Masih was not student of any one. The same away you (mirza mahmood) were not student of any teacher. There is not doubt that you used to go to school, and you were my (mufti sadiq) student too, I was the headmaster in those days or moulvi sher Ali was the headmaster (here mufti sadiq is not sure who was the head master) you used to come to school those days, but you would FAIL every year but we used to promote you to the next year because you were the son of hazrat masih maood. You took an exam of Middle and i went with you, but you fail, then you took an exam of interenc and again you failed”””

The scans

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Ahmadi’s are totally brainwashed by their clerics, to the point that they never even double check sources

Intro
Per MGA, the quran uses harsh words towards stupid people.  So why do Ahmadi’s cry on social media when we call them stupid?  It’s very ironic.  Nonetheless, Ahmadi’s classically don’t even acknowledge our counter-arguments on a variety of issues.  The problem here is that Ahmadi’s have been taught to be stubborn and never open minded.  Its a desi-type problem, since they are raised in a world where critical thinking is never used.  We have already responded to this one-liner here: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/ahmadis-are-academically-dishonest-and-on-purpose/

I recently came across yet another brainwashed-idiot of an Ahmadi from Rabwah.  He didn’t know about Sir Syed and how Sir Syed invented the argument that Esa (As) was dead and never returning.  He won’t admit to anything…he tried to disagree later on, however, he forget that even Ahmadiyya literature tells us that Sir Syed influenced Noorudin and Abdul Karim.  Nonetheless, he goes on to present some other references in terms of the end of prophethood.  He quotes from B.A. Rafiq’s book on Ahmadiyya, which can be found here: https://www.alislam.org/library/book/truth-about-ahmadiyyat/finality-of-prophethood/.  However, he doesn’t know that BA Rafiq took this from Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad and his line of argumentation after the split.

The quote

Hazrat Imam Muhammad Tahir has stated in his book, Majmaul Bihar:

“””The saying of Hazrat Ayesha that Muslims should call the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, Khataman Nabiyyeen, but should not say that there would be no prophet after him, had reference to the advent of the Promised Messiah. The direction given by Hazrat Ayesha is not in contradiction with the hadees: ‘There will be no prophet after me’; for the meaning of the Holy Prophet was that there would be no prophet after him who would abrogate his law.”””

But Ahmadi’s purposely overlook the context
Who is Muhammad Tahir and what is this book Majmaul Bihar?  Why have’t Ahmadi’s went back and researched all of this?  The answer…stupidity.  What were the full beliefs of Muhammad Tahir?  What did he write in terms of 33:40?  4:69?  4:157–159?

Will Ahmadi’s ever answer these questions?
Before we proceed, we need answers to these questions.

We have responded in the past here
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/03/ahmadis-lie-about-the-aisha-hadith-in-terms-of-the-end-of-prophets/

In 1907, Ahmadi’s were proud to be called Mirzai

Intro
It’s very true, lots of Muslims from the Indian sub-continent call Ahmadi’s as Mirzai’s.  Nowadays, Ahmadi’s hate being called Qadiani or Mirzai and cry persecution whenever someone calls them as such.  However, back in the early days of Ahmadiyya, Ahmadi’s never had a problem with word Mirzai, in fact, we have a scan from the al-Badr Qadian, 7th January 1907 during life time of Mirza Qadiani, wherein an Ahmadi proudly calls himself a Mirzai.

Summary and brief translation of this scan and reference
A follower of Muhammad a muslim was called as Mohammadan by britishers.

See the red highlighted area of this scan, a Qadiani poet says “”Hum Hain Pakke Mirzai”” (we are hardened Mirzai).

This poem was read over by Mir Qasim in Jalsa salana Qadian and published in the al-badar .

The scan

Other related essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/08/10/wonder-why-we-call-them-qadiani/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/01/29/qadiani-ahmadis-vs-lahori-ahmadis-sectarianism-within-ahmadiyya-2018-version/

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