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A young Mirza Ghulam Ahmad stole his families pension money and was punished by never being able to see his mother again



Intro
We have written about this story before.  However, we have found new information which seems to open up this story a bit further.  The new info is from the ROR of 1922 wherein MGA’s mother was described.  This essay was written by an Ahmadi named Ghulam Mohammad Ahmadi, and published on the 5th of May 1922.  This essay doesn’t mention MGA’s stealing of his families pension, which led to MGA getting severely punished by never being able to see him mother alive ever again, as well as being forced to work in Sialkot for a meager salary. MGA was punished severely, and rightly so, per Islam he should have gotten his right hand chopped off, since he stole upwards of 100,000 dollars in today’s money and was on the run for up to 1 year.

Ahmadi spin doctors try to blame MGA’s cousin for squandering the money
You will find Ahmadi trolls all over social media running around and blaming Imam ud Din (MGA’s cousin aka brother) for spending all of the money, however, that argument collapses since MGA was punished severely.  Why would MGA’s father punish him (MGA) if it was actually Imam ud Din who was the culprit?  Ahmadi’s run from this question and rightly so, since if they ever accept the facts from this story, Ahmadiyya is dead.

Facts from this essay

1–The writer compares the mother of Muhammad (saw) with the mother of MGA (nauzobillah), we have written about this topic, in this era, Ahmadis were fanatical about equating the entire life of Muhammad (Saw) with the life of MGA.

2–In MGA’s youth, he was retired, he never did any work, he was considered a useless appendage.  And MGA’s mother allowed it, she allowed her son to be a lazy good for nothing human.  MGA’s mother protected him from this father.

3–MGA was nicknamed Mullah in his youth.  Since all he did was cry about Islam and its state of affairs in British-India.

4–The author totally omits the pension story.  By 1922, the pension story had never been written about, it was later, with the publishing of Seeratul-Mahdi, that’s when the pension story was revealed.

5–Miran Baksh was sent to Sialkot to bring MGA home, he was a servant in the Mirza household.  MGA’s mother had already died, however, he wasn’t supposed to tell MGA.  This was part of MGA’s punishment after he stole the family money, i.e. to never see his mother ever again. And MGA’s father made sure of it.

6–MGA was on opium from an early age, since he was oblivious to his surroundings and most likely high on opium.  An incident is given from MGA’s youth from roughly 1858, wherein MGA’s young son, Mirza Sultan Ahmad had fallen in the immediate vicinity of MGA and was screaming for help, however, MGA must have been high and thus didn’t hear or see anything, MGA’s mother then ran over and saved the child from what could have been an awful death.

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/15/who-is-mirza-ghulam-murtaza-1791-1876/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/16/the-punjab-chiefs-by-lepel-griffin-1865-1890-and-1909-edition-its-data-and-scans/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/06/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-had-a-sister-that-was-also-crazy-and-had-crazy-dreams-just-like-mga/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/26/the-mirza-family-was-above-the-law-in-british-india/

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/1573/forefathers-of-the-promised-messiahas/

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Mirza Tahir Ahmad purposely lied about the pension story in March of 1985

Intro
Mirza Tahir Ahmad was a vicious mullah.  He lied and lied and lied.  He setup Ord-XX and was able to move his headquarters to the UK.  His bigotry knew no bounds, and he was bold and arrogant about it.  In this specific case, I have caught him lying about MGA and his pension squandering situation from 1865.  Mirza Tahir Ahmad delivered a speech in March of 1985 wherein he acted as-if he had never heard of the pension story in his entire life.  He had never read Seeratul-Mahdi by Mirza Bashir Ahmad nor had any of his elders ever relayed the story to him.  He then claims to have had his team find the reference and then gives a totally fraudulent rendition of the events.  As the data shows, Mirza Tahir Ahmad totally misquoted this entire story.

1.  MGA didnt go to Sialkot to pickup his daddy’s pension, that is a total lie, it isnt written as such anywhere.

2.  It is not written anywhere in the narration that Mirza Imam ud Din snatched the money.

3.  MGA must have written his father a letter while on the road and then was sent to Sialkot to work.

4.  If Imam-ud-Din did steal the money, why wasnt a case filed against him?  Further, Imam-ud-din and MGA were roughly the same age, they had no beefs in that time frame.

The reference
This objection has two parts. One is that he was employed at a salary of 15 rupees per month, implying that he was a very insignificant person. This also implies that God could not have chosen him to be a Prophet, which thereby repeats the same objection raised by the Pharaoh. The second aspect of this objection is that Prophets do not work for someone else. In addition, the Promised Messiahas is being falsely accused (God forbid) of theft. Supposedly, he had to
leave home as a punishment for this theft. We have researched to determine where anyone
could possibly have found such an incident as a basis for such an allegation. We found in the biography Siratul- Mahdi, vol. 1, p. 43–44, narration no. 49:

“””Once the Promised Messiah went to Sialkot to collect his grandfather’s pension. Mirza Imam-ud-Din, a member of his family, went after him, snatched the money, and ran away. After this, the Promised Messiah did not return to Qadian because he deemed it better to earn some money by finding a job, rather than going back to his family after incurring the loss.”””

The True reference
“””in the name Allah the beneficient and the merciful. Stated to me by walda sahiba (mother of the author) that once , at the young age hazrat masih e moud went to receive pension of his father, when hazrat sahib (Mgaq) received the pension , he was chased and tracked by Mirza imamuddin who instead of bringing hazrat sahib to Qadiyan, lured him and took him from one place to other till the whole amount of pension was spent up. Then Imamuddin left hazrat sahib. Feeling regretted, hazrat sahib went to Sialkot instead of coming back to home. He got a job in the court of Deputy Commissioner Sialkot, on a very meagre amount as his father also desired him to get a job. Hazrat sahib remained there for some time till his mother got ill and he was called home by the grand father. At Amritsar He was received by a messenger from Qadiyan who told him that his mother had died.”””

See here: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/mirza-ghulam-ahmads-famous-pension-story/

The Urdu transliteration
Bayan kia mudge say hazart walida sahib nay kay aik dafa apnee jawani (youth) kay zamana main hazart masih maoud alaih salam tumharay dada kee pension wasool kernai gaye to peachay peachay (behind) mirza imam din bhee chala gaiya. Jab aap nay pension wasool ker lee to wo aap ko phusla (trick) ker aur dhoka day ker bajayi (instead) qadian lanay kay bahir (meaning of the word is outside-but it means outside qadian somewhere else) lay giaya aour idher udher (here there) phirata raha. (according to this narration -this incident was just before sialkot employment which was 1864-1868-MGA is around 25 years old-purpose of this is to ascertain MGA age- he was not a child that imam din could lure him hither thither in India)
Phir jub us nay (imamdin) saraa rupiya ura (spend) ker khatam ker diya to aap ko schore (leave) ker kaheen aour chala gaya. Hazrat masih maoud ees (this) sharam kay maray wapis ghar naheen aiyee. Aour chounkay tumharay dada ka munsha (desire) rehtaa tha kay aap kaheen mulazam ho jayeen -ees liyay aap sialkot shahr (city) main -deputy commissionar kee katchehri main qaleel tunkhua (little wage) per mulazam ho gayay (now that proves that MGA was in his 20s and was not a child) aour kutch arsaa tuk wahan mulazmat per rahay. Phir jab tumharee dadee (MGA mother) beemar hounee to tumharay dada nay admee bhaija – kay mulazmat chour (leave) ker aa (come) jaao. Jiss per hazrat sahib forun rawana ho gayay. Amritsar pohuntch ker qadian aanay kay wastay yakka karayia per liyaa. Iss mouqa per qadian say aik aour adamee bhee aap kay laynay kay liyay amritsar pouhntch giyaa -us admee nay kaha yakka (tanga) juldi chalao kiunkay un (MGA mother) kee halat bohat nazuk thee. Phir thoree dair kay baad kehnay laga -bohat hee halat nazuk thee- jaldi karo kaheen fout (died) nah ho gaee houn. Walida sahiba bayan kertee theen -kay hazart sahib fermatay thay -kay main isee waqat sumahg giaa kay -derasal walida fout ho chukee hain. Kiunkay agar woh zinda hoteen to wo shakhas aisay alfaz na boltaa. Chonanchay qadian pohnchay to pata laga kay waqayee wo fout ho chukeen thee. Walida sahiba bayan kertee hain kay hazrat sahib fermatay thay kay humain (means -“us “ is plural- does that mean that there was at least one more person?) chore (leave) ker phir mirza imam din ihther udher (here and there) phirta raha. Akhir us nay chaiy (tea) kay qaflay per daka (theft) mara aour pakra giaa- magar muqadma main rihaa ho giya. Hazrat sahib farmatay thay kay maaloom hota hai kay Allah taala nay hamaree waja say hee usay kaid (prison) say bachaa liya-werna wo khud kaisa hee adamee tha hamaray mukhalif yahee kehtay -in kay aik chacha zaad bahee jail khana main reh chuka hai. Khaksaar araz kerta hai kay hazrat masih maoud alaih salam kee sialkot kee mulazmat 1864-1868 ka waqia hai.
Is rawait (narration) say yay naheen samajna chahiya kay hazart masih maoud ka sialkot main mulaazam hona is wajah say tha- kay aap say mirza imam din nay dada sahib kee pension kaa rupaya dhoka say ura (taken) liya tha-keyoon kay jaisa kay khud hazart masih maoud alaih salam nay apnee tasaneef main tasreeh (explain) kee hai. Aap kee mulazmat akhtiayar kernay kee waja (reason) siraf yay thee kay aap kay walid sahib mulazmat kay leyay zour daitay rehtay thay -werna aap kee apnee raiy (opinion) mulazmat kay khilaf thee. Isee tarha mulazmat chour (leave) daynay kee bhee asal wajah yahee thee – kay hazrat masih maoud mulazmat ko naapasand fermatay thay-aour apnay walid sahib ko mulazmat turk ker daynay kee ijazat kay leyay likhtay rehtay thay. laykin dada sahib turk a mulazmat kee ijazat naheen daytay thay. Magar jub dadi sahiba bemaar hunyee to dada sahib nay ijazat bhijwaa dee kay mulazmat chore ker aa jao.””

The video-work

Why did Mirza Tahir Ahmad lie?
Most Ahmadis indirectly worship the Mirza family.  They believe everything their Khalifa says, without question.  They are like robots.  They all heard Mirza Tahir Ahmad give his version of events and that was it.  They never questioned him, nor are they allowed to.

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Dr. Basharat Ahmad (Lahori-Ahmadi) omits MGA’s pension story

Intro
Dr. Basharat Ahmad wrote a comprehensive biography on the life of MGA.  Its called Mujadid-e-Azam, or the “The Great Mujadid”.  He was an old friend of Maulvi Abdul Karim and Noorudin, they all knew each other very well.  Anyhow, Dr. Ahmad wrote extensively about MGA’s life in Sialkot, however, he purposely omitted the part about why MGA had to go to Sialkot and take up employment.  This is very odd, since he quotes Seeratul-Mahdi by Mirza Bashir Ahmad many times.  Anyhow, feel free to read Vol. 1 of Mujadid e Azam and you will see the deception.

The Pension story can be read here:   https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/mirza-ghulam-ahmads-famous-pension-story/

Conclusions
All Ahmadis are dishonest.  They will do and say anything to clear MGA of wrongdoing.  This is simply just another case of that.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s famous pension story

Intro
As we all know, in 1865, MGA and his cousin set off to pickup the hefty pension payment by the British govt. to MGA’s father and his brothers.  Below is the entire transliteration of the incident.  This money (700 rupees) was given to the Mirza family as a result of their military service for the British in the Mutiny of 1857.  The Mirza family showed more loyalty then any other family in the entire gurdaspur district and were thus compensated.  This money was supposed to be divided as follows:   Two-fifths belonged to the descendants of Mirza Tasadduq Jilani, two fifths to those of Mirza Gul Muhammad, and one-fifth to Mirza Ghulam Murtaza as the managing proprietor (see Dard page 68).  Jilani and Mirza Gul Muhammad were grandfathers of Mirza Ghulam Murtaza. Of the 700 rupees, 280 rupees were allocated to Jilani, who’s entire family seems to have went missing from Ahmadiyya records.  Another 280 rupees were  allocated to Mirza Ghulam Murtaza and only 2 of his brothers (Muhiyideen and Haidar), that means 46.66 rupees per family.  Another 140 rupees were just for Mirza Ghulam Murtaza.  There must have been a third cousin who also traveled with them to pickup the money.  Thus, MGA seems to have picked up his daddy’s portion of the money which would be 140 rupees and a split of the 280, of which MGA grabbed 46.66, thus his total weas 186.66 rupees.  Imam ud Din got his daddy’s pension and with MGA “in-concert”, spent all the money and returned to Qadian empty handed.

The Quote
Bismillah Alrehmani rahim
Bayan kia mudge say hazart walida sahib nay kay aik dafa apnee jawani (youth) kay zamana main hazart masih maoud alaih salam tumharay dada kee pension wasool kernai gaye to peachay peachay (behind) mirza imam din bhee chala gaiya. Jab aap nay pension wasool ker lee to wo aap ko phusla (trick) ker aur dhoka day ker bajayi (instead) qadian lanay kay bahir (meaning of the word is outside-but it means outside qadian somewhere else) lay giaya aour idher udher (here there) phirata raha. (according to this narration -this incident was just before sialkot employment which was 1864-1868-MGA is around 25 years old-purpose of this is to ascertain MGA age- he was not a child that imam din could lure him hither thither in India)
Phir jub us nay (imamdin) saraa rupiya ura (spend) ker khatam ker diya to aap ko schore (leave) ker kaheen aour chala gaya. Hazrat masih maoud ees (this) sharam kay maray wapis ghar naheen aiyee. Aour chounkay tumharay dada ka munsha (desire) rehtaa tha kay aap kaheen mulazam ho jayeen -ees liyay aap sialkot shahr (city) main -deputy commissionar kee katchehri main qaleel tunkhua (little wage) per mulazam ho gayay (now that proves that MGA was in his 20s and was not a child) aour kutch arsaa tuk wahan mulazmat per rahay. Phir jab tumharee dadee (MGA mother) beemar hounee to tumharay dada nay admee bhaija – kay mulazmat chour (leave) ker aa (come) jaao. Jiss per hazrat sahib forun rawana ho gayay. Amritsar pohuntch ker qadian aanay kay wastay yakka karayia per liyaa. Iss mouqa per qadian say aik aour adamee bhee aap kay laynay kay liyay amritsar pouhntch giyaa -us admee nay kaha yakka (tanga) juldi chalao kiunkay un (MGA mother) kee halat bohat nazuk thee. Phir thoree dair kay baad kehnay laga -bohat hee halat nazuk thee- jaldi karo kaheen fout (died) nah ho gaee houn. Walida sahiba bayan kertee theen -kay hazart sahib fermatay thay -kay main isee waqat sumahg giaa kay -derasal walida fout ho chukee hain. Kiunkay agar woh zinda hoteen to wo shakhas aisay alfaz na boltaa. Chonanchay qadian pohnchay to pata laga kay waqayee wo fout ho chukeen thee. Walida sahiba bayan kertee hain kay hazrat sahib fermatay thay kay humain (means -“us “ is plural- does that mean that there was at least one more person?) chore (leave) ker phir mirza imam din ihther udher (here and there) phirta raha. Akhir us nay chaiy (tea) kay qaflay per daka (theft) mara aour pakra giaa- magar muqadma main rihaa ho giya. Hazrat sahib farmatay thay kay maaloom hota hai kay Allah taala nay hamaree waja say hee usay kaid (prison) say bachaa liya-werna wo khud kaisa hee adamee tha hamaray mukhalif yahee kehtay -in kay aik chacha zaad bahee jail khana main reh chuka hai. Khaksaar araz kerta hai kay hazrat masih maoud alaih salam kee sialkot kee mulazmat 1864-1868 ka waqia hai.
Is rawait (narration) say yay naheen samajna chahiya kay hazart masih maoud ka sialkot main mulaazam hona is wajah say tha- kay aap say mirza imam din nay dada sahib kee pension kaa rupaya dhoka say ura (taken) liya tha-keyoon kay jaisa kay khud hazart masih maoud alaih salam nay apnee tasaneef main tasreeh (explain) kee hai. Aap kee mulazmat akhtiayar kernay kee waja (reason) siraf yay thee kay aap kay walid sahib mulazmat kay leyay zour daitay rehtay thay -werna aap kee apnee raiy (opinion) mulazmat kay khilaf thee. Isee tarha mulazmat chour (leave) daynay kee bhee asal wajah yahee thee – kay hazrat masih maoud mulazmat ko naapasand fermatay thay-aour apnay walid sahib ko mulazmat turk ker daynay kee ijazat kay leyay likhtay rehtay thay. laykin dada sahib turk a mulazmat kee ijazat naheen daytay thay. Magar jub dadi sahiba bemaar hunyee to dada sahib nay ijazat bhijwaa dee kay mulazmat chore ker aa jao.””

Partial English translation
My mother told me that his holiness, the Promised Messiah, one day, during his youth, went to collect the pension of his grandfather (700 rupees – Seeratul Mahdi, Vol. 1, P. 131). Following him was a person by the name of Imamuddin. When he received the pension, Imamuddin mislead him and took him outside Qadian. They roamed about from place to place. When his holiness had squandered all he had, Imamuddin deserted him leaving him alone and left for some other place. However, his holiness, the Promised Messiah, did not return home for shame and for fear of infamy. And since his grandfather’s desire was that he be employed somewhere, he went to Sialkot and got himself employed for a miserably low salary (ten rupees a month)…………………………………….” (Seeratul Mahdi, Vol. 1, P. 43; by Mirza Bashir Ahmad)

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Who is Dr. Mir Muhammad Isma‘il (1882–1943/1947)? The brother-in-law of MGA

Intro
Dr. Sayyad Mir Muhammad Isma’il or spelled Syed Meer Muhammad Ismail was the younger brother of MGA’s second wife Nusrat Jehan, and the elder son of Mir Nasir Nawab.  He had a younger brother named Muhammad Ishaq.  Per MGA, Dr. Mir Muhammad Isma’il was roughly 10 years old in 1892.  Thus he was born in 1882 and only 2 years old when his elder sister got married to MGA.  He also narrated some famous traditions about MGA which were recorded into Seeratul Mahdi.  He died on July 18th, 1943, just a year before his younger brother, he was aged 61, which is relatively young.  He had 2 wives, his first wife of Syed Shaukhat Sultana, who was a close relative, most likely a cousin, however, there were no children from this marriage.  He married again to the daughter of Mirza Muhammad Shafi (a member of the Sadr Anjuman in Qadian), his daughter’s name was Amtul Latif.  They had 10 children together, 7 girls and 3 boys.  She was born in 1902 and died on 16 September 1964.  On the instigation/arrangement of Hazrat Amaan Jan (nusrat Jehan) Mir M Ismaeel married her in 1917 at the time when he was assistant surgeon in Civil Hospital of Paniput.

1893
After MGA’s famous debate with Abdullah Athim, ahmadiyya sources report that Mir Muhammad Ismail left Ahmadiyya.  However, this is strange since he lived at Qadian and inside MGA’s house and was barely 11 years old.

1895
He claims that MGA used to lead prayers inside of their house (they all lived together, he claims that MGA would lead prayers for the ladies of the house and the small kids.

He was sent to study medicine in 1900
Ahmadiyya sources tell us that his sister (the wife of MGA) bore the full expenses of his education.  However, its likely that chanda money was used to pay for his education, since his father was unemployed and received no pension.  His sister had no money either, in those days, women weren’t given money to spend at their own whims.

1900–Khutbah Ilhamiya
Ahmadiyya sources tell us that he was present in Qadian during Khutbah Ilhamiya and even memorized the material, which seems to be a lie.

Oct 2 1902–Oct 5th, 1902
He traveled from Qadian to District Saharanpur (UP) with Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad, his father (Mir Nasir Nawab) and Noorudin to perform the marriage ceremony of Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud’s Ahmad’s only sister-law from his first marriage.   Dr. Rasheed ud Din  received them at the train station (See Fazl-e-Omar, online english edition).  He had only 2 daughters, no sons, the elder daughter had married off to Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad earlier in the year.

1906
He was appointed as 1 of only 14 senior ranking Ahmadi’s to the newly formed Sadr Anjuman.

1907
He began working as an assistant surgeon.

May 25, 1908
MGA died and Dr. Mir Muhammad Ismail was not able to make it to Qadian.  He must have been in an area that was experiencing flooding and plague and was thus unable to leave.  Instead, he wrote a letter to his sister (MGA’s wife).

1917
He gets married a second time.
Daughter–Syeda Maryam Siddiqua–married to the Khalifa in 1935
Daughter–Amtul Sahiba—married to Pir Salaud deen marhoum
Daughter—Tayyabba Sahiba—married to Nawab Mansoor Ahmad Khan Marhoum
Daughter–Amtul Qadooos—married Mirza Wasim Ahmad (her first cousin, a son of the Khalifa)
Daughter–Amtul Rafiq Sahiba–married to Hazratullah Pasha Sahib
Daughter–Amtul Sami Sahiba—married to Mirza Rafi Ahmad
Daughter–Amtul Hadi Sahiba—-married to Pir Zia ud Din
Son—Syed Muhammad Ahmad—
Son—Syed Tahir Ahmad Nasir—
Son—Syed Amin Ahmad—-

1918–1920
His eldest child, Syeda Maryam Siddiqua is born.

1935–His daughter
She was married off to the Khalifa on September 30th, 1935 (see Fazle Omar, online english edition, see pages 221–223).  Her age at the time of marriage is unknown, the Khalifa was 46 years old, and this was a replacement wife, the Khalifa already had 4 wives, however, one of them had died in 1934, so there was an opening.  Again in 1944, another wife of the Khalifa died, the Khalifa married again in just a few months.  Ahmadiyya sources tell us that she was the main scribe for the Khalifa as he dictated his famous Urdu-only commentaries of the Quran.

1933 29 January, page 9–Dr. Sayyed Muhammad Isma’il’s comments on his life before Ahmadiyya

Title: My Condition before becoming Ahmadi

“”””At the time, that I was not ahmadi, I do not want to reveal all the details, but my NATURE was:

I was displeased from Salat, mutinous from Holy Quran, disgusted with Fasting, foul mouth, (bud zabaan), shameless (bud Lagaam), corrupt with immoral behavior, (bud chalan), sinful (bud kaar).  I did not refrain from alcohol, or stayed away from bad (gandi) gatherings, was miser without boundaries. Never gave a penny in the name of Allah apart from spending money on self, wife and children, and on personal entertainments and enjoyments (khail tamasha).  Apart from frightening and pointless dreams, never saw a good dream.

Never sat in the company of pious person and always joined in with bad, immoral and faithless people.  I was very hard hearted, selfish, cruel natured, bad tempered, rude, bitter, rebellious and arrogant person.  Never sat in the company of pious people.  The talk in our meetings used to be, of the beauty of “Non Mehram women”, backbiting, making mischief, and creating conflicts.

Purpose of our life was to eat, sleep and sexual acts. Never remembered God. Discussions about deen, was reduced to making jokes and laughed about. Respect for my elders and parents set aside, they all were afraid and trembled from me.  Concerning the employment and the earnings, squeezed very last penny earned by unfair means (he would grab every single penny). Never slept peacefully at night, until I received bribes.  Stealing, I would acquire/confiscate any expensive, precious and of top quality, available from the government property. If those were already noted in a register, I would replace those with my old, broken and tattered things of the same name.  I would mingle and keep friends, with cruel natured, influential and powerful people, and arranged and inflicted huge cruelties on innocent people.

Forced poor people to sell their houses to pay for bribes.  Got the innocent girls/women raped.  Inflicted injuries on physically weak people and innocent children with poles (danda)and cain.  Conspired, instigate and arranged with greedy, vagabonds and scoundrels of the local area, and incited them to inflict the thefts in the local town (mahala).

The scan

1937
He writes about the Khalifa as follows:

“””One major allegation is that Khalifa [MMA] is promiscuous. About this I would say that I am a physician, and I know that those people who are promiscuous and indulge in promiscuity even for few days, their condition becomes what is called in English language ‘wreck’. Such person’s brain does not work. His intelligence is messed up. His movements are not normal. In short his all powers are destroyed. By observing him from his head to toe, immediately makes it clear that this man has destroyed himself by indulging himself in to promiscuity. Therefore it is said, “Adultery uproots the person from his foundation (Quote from Holy Quran)”””” “. Reference: Al-Fazil. July 10, 1937

Scan about his marriage
Tarikh e Ahmadiyyat Vol 22 655 (1)

1943
He dies and is buried in Qadian (See this video, at the 48:16 mark specifically—https://www.alislam.org/v/2395.html.)  However, Tarikh-e-Ahmadiyya claims that he died on July 18th, 1947.  Nevertheless, he is buried in Qadian and was forced to do Wasiyyat before he died just so that he could be buried in Bahishti Maqbara, he wasn’t exempt, since only the children of MGA were exempt.

The scan about his death from Tarikh-e-Ahmadiyya
Tarikh e Ahmadiyyat Vol 22 655

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Who is Muhammadi Begum? 1875–1966

Intro
Per Ahmadiyya sources she was a triple-niece of MGA.  MGA was her uncle in 3 ways and maybe more, MGA’s sister was married to her paternal big uncles.  Per Ahmadiyya sources, she was born in 1874/75 (see Dard, page 330).  She was thus 13-14 when MGA was asking to marry her per Ahmadiyya sources, however, she was most likely 9-10.  MGA had most likely seen her as an infant, since he was her uncle in 3-4 ways, thus, he had seen her a lot.  MGA and Mirza Ahmad Baig seem to have been friendly to each other even after MGA had his war with his cousins over land.  Nevertheless, in 1888, Mirza Ahmad Baig met with MGA and asked MGA to sign over “lucrative” property rights which belonged to MGA’s cousin, Mirza Ghulam Hussain, who had went missing around 1865, and was co-incidentally married to Mirza Ahmad Baig’s sister.  MGA responded by asking to marry Mirza Ahmad Baig’s 13-14-year old daughter, Mirza Ahmad Baig immediately refused.  This kicked off a public war wherein the entire Mirza family was opposed to MGA.  In fact, it is not too far-fetched to say that the life and career of MGA was shaped by his love of Muhammadi Begum.  Birth of sons, death threats against others, Batalvi feud, Christian feud (Christian paper published letters to Muhammadi Begum family) which led to the Atham saga, which then led to the maseel maseeh and maseeh mauood stuff.  MGA kept upping the ante.  The whole ‘promised son’ seems like a ruse to get Muhammadi Begum’s dad interested in him, implying that if Muhammadi Begum marries MGA, the son would be the inheritor to all of his spiritual and worldly legacy.

January 1886
In 1888 MGA claims that he mentioned a prophecy to Mirza Ahmad Baig a few years back (See Dard, page 172).  However, this is lie.  MGA was on good relations with Mirza Ahmad Baig until his father died and court cases were issued between the Mirza family in terms of land disbursement wherein MGA lost (1884).

Feb, 20th 1886
MGA publishes his famous announcement vs. Lekh Ram and about the Promised Son.  By 1888, MGA was connecting his proposed marriage with Muhammadi Begum to this prophecy also.  

June 8th, 1886
MGA writes letters to Noorudin wherein he claims that his God is ordering him to marry again for a 3rd time, and to thus have 3 wives.  These were published after MGA died , hence, they are tampered with.

June 20th, 1886
MGA writes another letter to Nooruddin wherein he says that he is afraid that he is commanded by his God to marry a 3rd time, and this is unavoidable (See Dard pages 173-174) .

February of 1888
Ahmadiyya sources tell us that in roughly February of 1888, Mirza Ahmad Baig seems to have came to Qadian and asked MGA to make a deal.  The issue was that Mirza Ahmad Baig’s sister (Imam Bibi) had been married to MGA’s cousin: Mirza Ghulam Hussain.  Mirza Ghulam Hussain had went missing for roughly 25 years.  He had lots of land in his and his wife’s possession, his wife possessed it for 25 years, however, per the rules of the Mirza family (Not Islam), if a person died with no heir, his land would revert to other family members.  However, this is unislamic, we are unsure where this tradition came from, however, the Mirza family was always playing his land-grabbing game.  Mirza Ahmad Baig and his sister (Imam Bibi) knew that when Imam Bibi would die, the land would revert to MGA at 50% (+Mirza Sultan Ahmad) and 50% to his cousins (see Nuzul ul Masih, via the 2009 online edition of Tadhkirah, pages 190-191) .  MGA knew that Mirza Ahmad Baig was desperate for concessions.  MGA then asked for his daughter in exchange for signing over the property to Mirza Ahmad Baig’s sister.

May 10th, 1888
The maternal uncles of Muhammadi Begum, Mirza Nizam-ud-Din and Mirza Imam-ud-Din, and also others of their party, not only publicized this matter verbally but also had Hazrat Mirza’s letters printed in newspapers to ensure the widest publicity.  Thus, the Nur Afshan published a letter from MGA to Ahmad Baig (See Dard, page 172).

June 1888
The Arya Patrika, Lahore, page 5 also covered the story (See Dard, page 172).

July 10th, 1888
In his Ishtihar he declared that if she was not married to MGA her father would die within three years of her marriage to anyone else, and her husband would die within 30 months and that other calamities would also overtake the family. This was to be a sign for MGA’s cousins and relations, who dared to flout the authority of the Supreme Being (See Dard, page 330).

July 15th, 1888
MGA publishes another announcement about his cousins and their upcoming deaths.

August 1888
By August of 1888, the entire Mirza family was against MGA and his marriage proposal for his niece.  The list includes all family members of MGA, which includes both of his sons, and all of his cousins (see Mujadid e Azim, online abridged version, pages 228-268, specifically page 253).

Aug 1888 to July 1890
2 years of total silence on this topic.  However, in the background, MGA was trying to bribe other cousins of his to help him get this niece of his tied into a marriage situation.

Izala Auham, roughly 1890, page 198
“”””By way of prophecy the Exalted God revealed it to this humble one that ultimately the elder daughter of Mirza Ahmad Beg, son of Mirza Ghulam Beg of Hoshiarpur would be married to me. These people would resort to great hostility and would place obstacles in the way, but in the end, it would surely take place. The Exalted God would, by all possible means, bring her to me, whether as a virgin or a widow, and would remove all impediments, and would, of necessity, fulfil this task, and none would be able to prevent it.”””

July 17th, 1890
MGA wrote a letter to Mirza Ahmad Baig offering him condolence at the death of his son, Mahmud (See Dard, page 331).

1890–1891
MGA says:

“””God Almighty will in any event bring Muhammadi Begum to me as a virgin or a widow and will remove all obstructions. He will certainly fulfill this and no one can obstruct Him.””” (Izalah Auham, p.296)(see also, B.A. Rafiq, “Truth About Ahmadiyya, online version, https://www.alislam.org/library/book/truth-about-ahmadiyyat/suspension-of-jihad/, Retrieved on 6-7-19).

April 7th, 1892
Muhammedi Begum was married to Sultan Muhammad (see Dard, page 334).

July 1892
MGA was dreaming about multiple women, this may have been an indication of the eventual fate of Muhammadi Begum (see the 2009 online edition of Tadhkirah, see pages 256-257).

September 30, 1892
Mirza Ahmad Baig dies (See the 2009 online edition of Tadhkirah, page 188).

February 1893
Ainah Kamalat-e-Islam is published which contains MGA’s prophecy about Mirza Ahmad Baig and Muhammadi Begum.  

The winter of 1893
MGA and his team of writers mentions the death of Mirza Ahmad Baig as a sign of MGA’s truth.  See “Shahada-tul Quran”, in english as “Testimony of the Quran”, see here a link to the english translation by the Lahori-Ahmadi’s.

“””(1) Mirza Ahmad Baig of Hoshiarpur should die within the limit of three years; (2) then his son-in-law, the husband of his elder daughter, should die within two and a half years; (3) Mirza Ahmad Baig should not die before the day of his daughter’s wedding; (4) the daughter too must not die before she is married, and then widowed, and then married a second time; (5) my humble self too should not die till all these events take place; (6) and then she should be married to myself. Obviously these events are not in human control. [Note 6]”””””

1894
Via the Ishaat us Sunnah magazine, Mirza Sultan Muhammad (the husband of Muhammadi Begum) called MGA a liar and a Kafir.

1897
In Anjam-e-Athim, MGA mentions his prophecy vs. his cousins and other close relations.

1901
MGA mentions the faliure of the Muhammadi Begum prophecy but claims that he will marry her as widow.

1902
Ahmadiyya newspapers report on 18 August 1902: Mirza Ahsan Baig formally requested to be part of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat. He was the grandson of Mirza Ahmad Baig, son-in-law of Mirza Ahmad Baig and brother-in-law of Muhammadi Begum.  He was married to one of the younger sisters of Muhammadi Begum.

Oct-1902
“””About eighteen years ago, I had an opportunity to visit Maulavi Muhammad Husain Batalavi, Editor of Isha‘atus- Sunnah at his house. He asked me whether I had received any revelation lately and I mentioned to him the revelation, which I had already mentioned several times to my friends:

[Arabic] A virgin and a widow.

I interpreted this to him and to all others to mean that: God has intended to bring two women to me in marriage—the first time a virgin and the second time a widow. The first part of the revelation, relating to a virgin, has been fulfilled By Allah’s grace, I have four sons from that wife. I await fulfilment of the part about the widow. “””[Tiryaqul-Qulub, p. 34, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 15, p. 201](See Also, the 2009 online edition of Tadhkirah, pages 50-51).

1907
In “Haqiqatul Wahy”, MGA mentions Mirza Ahmad Baig on pages, 219-220, 231, 233, 237, 238, 280, 492, 493, 576, 577, 696, 697, 710, 714, 715.  MGA basically says that even though Muhammadi Begum was still alive and married with children, the prophecy was conditional and thus fulfilled.

June-July 1908, Nooruddin comments on the failed prophecy of Muhammadi Begum
“””Now, I would like to remind all the Muslims who have had and still have faith in the Noble Qur’an that since those addressed in it include also their offsprings, successors and those like them, then, can this prophecy not include the daughter, of Ahmad Beg, or the daughter of that daughter ? Does your law of inheritance not apply the regulations regarding daughters to their daughters ? And are the offsprings of the Mirza not his agnates ? I had often told dear Mian Mahmood (Mian Bashiruddin Mahmood, a son of the Mirza and the second head of the Qadiani movement after Hakim Nuruddin. ) that even if the Mirza were to die and this girl did hot enter into his wedlock, my adoration of him would remain unshaken.”””” (Review of Religions, Vol. VII, no. 726, June and July, 1908, p. 279 (cited from Qadiani Mazhab).

October 1908
Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya Vol. 5 is published.  MGA mentions Ahmad Baig on pages, 254, 255, 494, 495.

1947
Muhammadi Begum, her husband, family and extended family move to Lahore by force.

1948
Mirza Sultan Muhammad dies.

1966
Muhammadi Begum died on 19 November, 1966, at Lahore, her funeral prayer was led by Molana Shahabuddin of Chowburji who was a disciple of Shaikhul Hind Molana Mahmoodul Hasan. She was buried in Qabrustan Miyani Sahib Lahore.

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/08/even-in-1907-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-still-lusting-for-his-niece-muhammadi-begum/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/16/the-punjab-chiefs-by-lepel-griffin-1890-edition-doesnt-even-mention-mirza-ghulam-ahmad/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=muhammadi

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/16/who-is-murad-bibi/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawab_ud_din_Ramdasi

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Who is Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi? 1840-1920

Intro
Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi (1840-1920) was a contemporary of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in the Punjab.  They were both born during the the last 8-9 years of Sikh rule and were under the Ramgharia Misl, which was annexed into the greater Sikh Empire in roughly 1816 by Ranjit Singh.  They were both educated by the same teachers as British rule began in roughly 1850.  Their parents also knew each other, when MGA’s family went to Batala, they always stayed at the ancestoral home of Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi.  They were both Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims aka Wahabis.  In 1878 Batalvi started the Ishaat us Sunnah magazine and gave MGA space to market his new book-series, the Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya.  In 1881, Batalvi gave MGA an exhaustive review and supported MGA’s work via the Ahl-e-Hadith.  In 1884, when MGA wanted to get married, Batalvi had a list of young girls with him and shared it with MGA, this is how they found out about the daughter of Mir Nasir Nawab.  The Ahl-e-Hadith grew weary of MGA in late 1884 and some even called MGA a Kafir, since MGA was boasting about divine revelations in his book series (the Braheen), neverthless, Batalvi stuck up for MGA yet again.  By 1889 they became enemies, since MGA claimed to be the second coming of Esa (as).  They organized debates with each other and jousted from their magazines until 1899, when the British government stepped in and absolved MGA and forced Batalvi to never insult MGA ever again (by calling him kafir or otherwise).  His disputes with Ahmadiyya seem to have ended here.  However, he did have a famous debate with a Quranist in 1902 and his sons were found at Qadian in 1910, later on they recanted and left Ahmadiyya.

The 1850’s
MGA and Batalvi used some of the same teachers and were classmates at many times, most likely in Batala.

1860–1869
Batalvi studied Hadith, logic and grammar from Molvi Syed Nazeer Husain (1805-1901).  The same Maulvi that read MGA’s nikkah in 1884.

1869
After his mother died, and MGA completed his punishment, MGA returned to Qadian from Sialkot.  MGA abruptly visits Batala and almost has a debate with Batalvi, however, MGA comments that he agrees with everything Batalvi is saying (see BA4, pages 399-400).  Batalvi  had finished his studies on islam and as now an imam-proper.  This entire scenario happened in a mosque in Batala (see Dard, page 54).

1878
He starts his newspaper, Ishaat us Sunnah, which runs until 1900 and then goes missing.  It seems to have been replaced with a new newspaper, the “Ahl-i-Hadis”.  Which was edited by Maulvi Sanaullah.

1882
MGA mentions batalvi in BA3, on page 7 of the online english edition.  They seem to be very good friends.  MGA claims that Batalvi works as a secretary of the Anjuman-i-Hamdardi Islamia, Lahore.  Which is most likely the Anjuman Himayat-i Islam.  Maybe out of respect, MGA wrote it the way he did.

1884-MGA mentioned Batalvi in BA4
On pages 399-400, MGA remembers his debate with Batalvi that never happened.

1884 
Batalvi gives MGA’s Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya series a glowing review, however, after the 4th volume is published, the Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims call MGA a Kafir.  Batalvi sticks up for MGA in this era and claims that MGA is not claiming prophethood, only divine revelations.

1887
The magazine became quite popular and was recognized by notable scholars and Government Officials. When Sir Charles Umpherston Aitchison, Governor of the Punjab from 1882-1887, left the area in April 1887, he gave Muhammad Hussain, a certificate testifying to his ability and learning. Muhammad Hussain proudly records this fact (See ‘ Isha‘atus Sunnah’ Vol. 20, No. 3).

1888
MGA mentions Batalvi on page 20 of “The Green Announcement”.  They seem to still be friends up to this point.  MGA even refers to him an “eminent person”, we are not sure what the Urdu word is here for “eminent person”.

1889
Batalvi begins to question MGA and his claims of being the second coming of Esa (as).  This spills over into the early part of 1890.

1891
A full blown war breaks out between MGA and Batalvi.  They arrange to debate each other in Ludhiana, however, MGA requests the British government to intervene and save him.  This debate lasted for twelve days, from 20 July – 31 July 1891.  The venue was the ‘Masjid Awanan’ (Awana’s Mosque) at Ludhiana.  This was a written debate, wherein someone other then MGA read out MGA’s (alleged) writings.  The written papers of both sides were later published by MGA as Al-Haq Mubahathah Ludhiana (Urdu). [i.e. Truth: the Ludhiana Debate].  Batalvi goes around the Punjab and gets the majority of the Ulema to pass a Fatwa of Kufr on MGA.

1892
MGA mentions Batalvi extensively in his book, ‘Nishan Asmani’ in english as “Heavenly Signs”.

March 17th, 1892
On roughly March 17th, 1891, MGA predicts that Batalvi would die in 40 days time or would suffer a major tragedy.  It expires on April 27th and Batalvi is fine, Batalvi then writes about it in his newspaper, this prediction isn’t published by MGA until 1893, in a book called, Aina Kamalat e Islam at page 601-604.

May 4th, 1893
MGA publishes a prophecy about Batalvi, that would he repent and stop calling MGA a Kafir and etc (see page 39).  Ahmadi’s claim that this was fulfilled when the British Government ordered him to never call MGA or Ahmadi’s as Kafirs ever again in 1899 and it was manifested in 1911-1913 era, when he was called to court to testify about Ahmadi’s.

Oct-Dec 1898
He claims that MGA broke the law and conducted a prophecy vs. himself.  Even though MGA is guilty, the British government absolves MGA.  MGA issues another prophecy against Batalvi, MGA claims that Batalvi will be disgraced by Feb 1900.

1902
Ahmadiyya sources tell us that In November of 1902 a debate took place between Muhammad
Hussain Batalavi and ‘Abdullah Chakrhalavi on the importance and position of the Holy Quran and the hadith.  Chakrhalavi was the founder of the Ahl-e-Quran sect of North India, he died in 1931.

1905
In Lecture Ludhiana, MGA mentions Batalvi, and even says that he visited Qadian often from roughly 1855–1889.  MGA also mentions the case of 1898 wherein Capt. Le Marchand saved MGA from going to jail.

1907
MGA and his team publish a dream of MGA wherein it seems that Batalvi will convert to Ahmadiyya. It seems that MGA was still hoping that Batalvi would eventually accept MGA as the Messiah (See 2009 Online edition of Tadhkirah, pages 949-950).

1910
2 of his children seem to have been taken to Qadian by Ahmadi’s and forcibly converted to Ahmadiyya.  Later on they recanted.  He also appears as a witness in some Ahmadiyya related cases.

1920
Batalvi dies.

1931
Ahmadi’s publish: “Batalvi Ka Anjam” by Mir Qasim Ali.

1937
The son of Batalvi writes a book about MGA called “The useless Prophet”.

2019
Via twitter, Ahmadi’s share info that some of the great grandsons of Batalvi have become Ahmadi.

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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Conclusive-Argument-Islam.pdf

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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya-Part-4.pdf

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/15/mirza-ghulam-ahmads-debate-with-batalvi-summer-of-1891-was-stopped-by-the-british-govt-on-mgas-behalf/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/30/out-of-fear-from-ahmadis-and-mgas-fake-prophecies-batalvi-registered-to-buy-a-gun-1898-1899-but-was-denied/

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/12/01/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-vs-batalvi-1891-1892-era-mga-sent-10-lanats-on-batalvi/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/30/out-of-fear-from-ahmadis-and-mgas-fake-prophecies-batalvi-registered-to-buy-a-gun-1898-1899-but-was-denied/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/31/batalvi-sent-some-of-his-children-to-qadian-for-schooling/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/ReviewBatalaviChakrhalavi.pdf

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/The-Green-Announcement.pdf

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Who is Mirza Ghulam Ghaus?

Intro
He is the cousin of Mirza Ghulam Murtaza.  His father was MIrza Qasim Baig, the only brother of Mirza Ata Muhammad.  They are forever connected based on the settlement of 1865, wherein 2/5th’s of the 700 rupee pension was divided.  The Mirza estate was divided into five parts; two-fifths belonged to the descendants of Mirza Tasadduq Jilani, two fifths to those of Mirza Gul Muhammad, and one-fifth to Mirza Ghulam Murtaza as the managing proprietor (see Dard page 68).  In fact, Mirza Ghulam Murtaza was the “head of the family”, even the Punjab Chiefs, his name is listed under the header.

Not mentioned in the Punjab Chiefs
Only his uncle, Mirza Ata Muhammad and his cousins are mentioned.  However, he still got a share of the pension (See Dard page 68 and 70).

He sold his property shares after 1876
By roughly 1876, he had sold his shares to an uncle of the famous Muhammadi Begum.  He then disappears from Ahmadiyya history.

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https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/books/9783110556643/9783110556643-008/9783110556643-008.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahluwalia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassa_Singh_Ramgarhia

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http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/may/sepoy.htm

http://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/books/2018/apr/07/1857-through-the-eyes-of-a-skull-1797554.html

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/16/nuzul-ul-masih-or-the-descent-of-the-messiah-published-posthumously-in-1909-and-quotes/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/16/the-punjab-chiefs-by-lepel-griffin-1890-edition-doesnt-even-mention-mirza-ghulam-ahmad/

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/07/the-punjab-chiefs-1909-edition-officially-states-that-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-born-in-1839/

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/26/the-mirza-family-was-above-the-law-in-british-india/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Ahmad.pdf

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/18/who-is-mirza-ghulam-kadir/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/18/who-is-mirza-ata-muhammad-died-in-1814/

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Who is Mirza Ghulam Kadir?

Intro
Mirza Ghulam Kadir was a cousin of MGA that seems to have either died young or just totally gone missing in the history of Ahmadiyya after 1865.  Not to be confused with Mirza Ghulam Qadir, who was MGA’s brother.  He is mentioned in the Punjab Chiefs of 1865, his father was Mirza Ghulam Muhammad, as can be seen via the family tree, in fact, he is mentioned in the family tree before MGA and his brother ever were, Mirza Ghulam Hussain was also mentioned, but only in the family tree area. In the 1890 edition his name is mis-spelled as “Ghulam Kadar”, he is also listed as dead, since the year of his death is given as 1883, he seems to have had a child named Abdul Kadar, who died in 1868, thus, there was no heir (both of these are errors, they seem to have confused him with MGA’s brother).  He is mentioned as he specifically served under General Nicholson, as the British totally killed all the mutineers of the 46th N.I., who had fled from Sialkot, they were killed at Trimmu Ghat.   He was also given a pension according to the Settlement of 1865 (with the British govt. see Punjab Chiefs), the Mirza estate was divided into five parts; two-fifths belonged to the descendants of Mirza Tasadduq Jilani (who have since totally disappeared), two fifths to those of Mirza Gul Muhammad (basically the sons of Mirza Ata Muhammad), and one-fifth to Mirza Ghulam Murtaza as the managing proprietor (see Dard page 68).  In fact, Mirza Ghulam Murtaza was the “head of the family”, even the Punjab Chiefs, his name is listed under the header.

His children?
In the 1890 edition of the Punjab Chiefs, under his family tree, he is listed as having a son names Abdul Kadar, the year of birth is also listed, however, its hard to see.

His exact pension amount?
He was given monies through the allotment to Mirza Gul Muhammad, which was 2/5 of 700 rupees= 280 rupees.  This was further divided up between the 5 brothers (Mirza Ghulam Murtaza included).  My estimate for Mirza Ghulam Kadir would be 280/5= 56 rupees per year.

The 1910 edition of the Punjab Chiefs confuses him with Mirza Ghulam Qadir
He is not mentioned under the children of Mirza Ghulam Muhammad, the line simply ends.  It is then written that Mirza Ghulam Qadir served under General Nicholson’s army, which is an error.  Dard (1947) thus makes the same error on pages 94-95.

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/29/22-dancing-girls-were-brought-to-qadian-by-the-mirza-family-1848-ish/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/11/who-is-mirza-nizam-ud-din-1845-the-first-cousin-of-mirza-ghulam-ahmad/

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/07/the-punjab-chiefs-1909-edition-officially-states-that-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-born-in-1839/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/16/the-punjab-chiefs-by-lepel-griffin-1890-edition-doesnt-even-mention-mirza-ghulam-ahmad/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/26/the-mirza-family-was-above-the-law-in-british-india/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Ahmad.pdf

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