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Ahmadis are fond of making silly and stupid parallels. In the 1930’s, when Mahmud Ahmad was accused of homosexuality and other sex crimes in Qadian by Bashir Misri, he defended himself by saying that ALL holy people are accused of sexual mis-conduct by their followers. This argument sufficed for the poor and ignorant followers of Mahmud Ahmad, however, the Lahori-Ahmadis soon chimed in and objected to Mahmud Ahmad’s arguments. Muhammad Ali wrote this letter in 1938, however, he didn’t mention the murder of Fakhr-ud-Din Multani, which had happened in August of 1937. Earlier in Aug of 1938, the Khalifa was accused of committing more adultery than MGA.
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Allama Shibli Nomani, a prominent Muslim leader organized a Jalsa (gathering) in Lucknow on 6-8 April 1912 (See pages 134-135), in an effort to find the solution to this issue. On his invitation, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad (before his Khilafat) and Khwaja Kamaluddin attended this event.
It seems that Allama Shibli Nomani was super friendly with Maulvi Noorudin and even wrote him letters in 1900 and a delegation of Ahmadi’s went to go and see him in 1910 (See the Al-Badr, 27 October 1910, p. 10).
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The Shah Jahan Mosque (also known as Woking Mosque) in Oriental Road, Woking, England, is the first purpose-built mosque in the United Kingdom. Built in 1889, it is located 30 miles (50 km) southwest of London.
In 1912, the Shah Jahan Mosque fell into Ahmadi hands, via Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din (See the details in the below). However, just a year later, during the split of 1914, Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din joined the Lahori-Ahmadi’s and detested all orders and advice coming from Qadian and the 2nd Qadiani Khalifa. Thus, the Shah Jahan Mosque was under Lahori-Ahmadi control in 1914, and the other Ahmadi Maulvi (Maulvi Fateh Muhammad Sayyal) had Qadiani leanings. Thus, from 1912 to roughly 1965, the Shah Jahan Mosque was in Lahori-Ahmadi hands.
In 1961, the famous ex-Qadiani-Ahmadi Bashir Ahmad Misri arrived in the UK (he famously accused the 2nd Qadiani-Khalifa of rape in 1937). A few years later, the Lahori-Ahmadi’s hired him to be an editor. It seems that Bashir Ahmad Misri was planning to make friends with the Lahori-Ahmadi’s and then to turn on them at an opportune time. Which is exactly what he did. In 1964, he became the Imam of the Woking Mosque. By July 1968, his plan was in motion, he organized the local Muslim’s and wrestled control of the mosque from the Lahori-Ahmadi’s to the local Muslim scholars. He them left and went on a tour. His father (Sheikh Abdur Rehman Misri, also an ex-Qadiani-Ahmadi, allegedly a Lahori-Ahmadi) died as a Lahori-Ahmadi in Pakistan in 1979. Bashir Ahmad Misri then responded to Mirza Tahir Ahmad’s global Mubahila challenge in 1989 and wrote about his youth in Qadian. His death year is unknown to us. Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh has a photo with Bashir Ahmad Masri in his book and met him in the UK in 1989. Bashir Ahmad Masri was living in the UK in 1989. He died in 1992, in the UK.
The struggle to its conversion to Sunni Muslims started in January 1968 by setting a Woking Mosque Regeneration Committee, comprising Khalid Hussain Qamar (Woking), Moulana Habibur Rehman UK Islamic Mission (Manchester), Allama Khalid Mehmood (executive director Manchester Mosque), Editor of Faran Magazine (Leicester), and Gondal (Reading). The committee wished to see High Commissioner of Pakistan, who was officially President of Registered Trust responsible for affairs of the Mosque, but all in vain for nine months. The state of the Mosque was miserable as there was no place for abolution, or taharat. There were no five times prayer established in the Mosque. Only on Sundays the Imam use to deliver a sermon to non-Muslim visitors over a cup of tea. The Islamic Review magazine was regularly published from Shah Jehan Mosque as the only Muslim Organ under Editorship of Moulana Majeed Ahmad and Imam Hafiz BASHIR Ahmad Misri. Khalid Hussain Qamar started Quran Nazira lessons to 80 children of Sunni Muslims of Woking voluntarily with kind permission of the Imam in January 1968. So the First ever Sunni Imam (an employee of High Commissioner) Khawaja Qamar-Ud-Din took the charge as First Sunni Imam in December 1968. Since then the Mosque is in possession of Sunni Muslims (See The Light — U.K. edition, April 2-2007).
Because of this permission, the Ahmadiyyah Movement terminated Hafiz Bashir Ahmed as Imam. Hafiz BASHIR Ahmad Misri, while leaving for Uganda authorised Khalid Hussain Qamar for arranging Traveeh Prayer during Ramadan first time ever in the history of the Mosque. Khalid Hussain Qamar (Woking), Chaudhary BASHIR Ahmad(Woking), and Raja Muhammad Asghar (Woking) availed this opportunity to install a new Imam for leading Traveeh Prayer while Hafiz BASHIR Ahmed Misri moved to Uganda as terminated Imam. Forceful capture of Mosque’s Residence and Mosque itself for prayers during Ramadan 1968 was beginning of Sunni Era of usage of the Mosque. That reached as blowing news to staff of Pakistan High Commissioner. Col Nazir Ahmed Dence Attachee and Haroon High Commissioner shown their concern about this possession. After one week of consistent request of the High Commissioner, Khalid Hussain Qamar along with local Muslims asked Col Nazir to visit them in the Mosque to resolve the issue. Woking Muslims presented the case that Mosque is to be natural worshipping place for local Muslims and therefore should be run along the wishes of local Muslims. Col Nazir agreed and requested the audience, let the High Commissioner offer them list of possible next Imams for their choice and High Commissioner could restore the official responsibility. So the First ever Sunni Imam (an employee of High Commissioner) Khawaja Qamar-Ud-Din took the charge as First Sunni Imam in December 1968. Since then the Mosque is in possession of Sunni Muslims (See the statements of Bashir Ahmad Misri in 1989).
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In 2007, the Qadiani-Ahmadi’s translated this book into English. Bro Imtiaz recently quoted it herein (see 42:15 time stamp). Bro Imtiaz showed how MGA used the word “Kanjaree” (prostitute) for the grandmothers of Eisa (as), the corresponding ref can be found in the online english edition of “Mi‘yarul Madhahib” (The Criterion for Religions, see pages 23-24).
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After MGA lost the debate with Athim (the only Christian he ever debated) in 1893, MGA was mad that Muslim’s were happy that he (MGA) lost and celebrating. Thus, MGA directly told Muslim’s that they were bastard’s and born of illegitimacy (born out of wedlock). MGA did this in his book, Anwarul Islam (not in english by 2022)(the quote is in the below). Adnan Rashid discussed this also(Check out Part-2 herein [“Zarrayatul baghaya” and “Waladul Haraam” are discussed] and on the Dawah wise channel).
I recently discussed the fraudulent beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Movement on discord server as a live stream (roughly at the 2:25:50 minute mark). Watch my response video on it here, this was in response to the Ahmadi’s calling me a bastard child and etc. al_moejahid called me a bastard and Khurram Shah responded with calling me wulud ul haraam (See the ref in the below), which is a phrase that MGA used in his books. You can listen to Khurram Shah calling me “Waladul Haraam” (a bastard child) herein.
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Razi ullah Noman (A Qadiani-Ahmadi maulvi) recently argued that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad only cussed at Hindu’s and Christian’s who mocked the Messenger (Saw). Razi Ullah Noman was forced to say this, since Mirza Ghulam Ahmad cussed at everyone and anyone who opposed him and his blasphemous utterances. Adnan Rashid discussed this also (Check out Part-2 herein [“Zarrayatul baghaya” and “Waladul Haraam” are discussed] and on the Dawah wise channel).
In 1891, MGA was telling the world that it’s OK to curse at people since the Quran does it frequently. In late 1892-early 1893 MGA wrote his famous book, “A’ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam”, in this book, MGA used the famous “bhagaya” (sons of prostitutes) insult for his rejectors. This was about Muslims, since MGA was beefing with Saadullah (that is the context of this quote). In 1894, MGA used the famous cuss word “Waladul Haraam” for those people who were against MGA (mostly Muslims). MGA wrote poetry about Saadullah and clearly call him a son of a prostitute (1897). 10 years later (1907), when Saadullah died, MGA quoted his poetry from 1897, however, he purposely leaves out the lines wherein he calls Sa’dullah the son of a prostitute (Ibn Bagha). MGA also discussed the insult “Zurrayatul Baghaya” in his book “Khutbah ilhamiya” (published 1902-1903). This bhagaya insult was also for another Muslim, Abdul Haq Ghaznavee. These are MGA’s insults from late 1892 to 1897. In the same era (1894), MGA wrote the famous 1000 curses. It should also be noted that in “A’ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad vs. Batalvi-1891-1892 era, MGA sent 10 Lanats on Batalvi. Thus, all of the insults were directed towards Muslims, who did no accept or support MGA, even vs. Christians like Abdullah Athim.
Thus, MGA never even cursed the Christian’s of India, nor did he curse the Hindu’s, there weren’t any Jews, thus, MGA only cursed Muslims. In fact, in 1899, MGA admitted that he only cursed the Christian missionaries just to protect them.
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He was born in 1955, he is a second generation Ahmadi from Kababir. He was the first ever Qadiani-Ahmadi born in Kababir to become a missionary for the Ahmadiyya Movement. He became an ex-Ahmadi in 1989 and wrote about his experiences. Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh tells us that his maternal grandfather was the first ever person in his family to convert to Ahmadiyya, his name was Abdul Qadir Bin Salih Al-Odeh (in 1928). Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh then tells is how his paternal grandfather was the second person in his family to convert to Ahmadiyya, his name was Al-Haj Ahmad Bin Abdul Qadir Al-Odeh. Thus, both of his male grandparents were converts to Ahmadiyya. His father is named Mahmood (just like the 2nd Khalifa), and he was the Ameer of Kababir for many years (most likely 1970’s). Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh has 2 brothers, Ahmad and Salih (See page 12).
In the 1970’s, he had moved to Sweden, and it seems that his brother Ahmad Odeh was also there as well as their father, it’s unclear if Salih was there. He met the 3rd Khalifa in 1976 and 1978 and became intimately close to the 3rd Khalifa and his notorious sons, Mirza Anas Ahmad, Mirza Farid Ahmad and Mirza Luqman Ahmad. In 1979, he decided to devote his life to Ahmadiyya and was sent to Qadian for Jamia training. He was a moosi (someone who pays 10% chanda and will give 33% of their assets to the jamaat when they die).
In his book, Hassan Odeh mentioned how he worked closely with the 4th Khalifa (1986–1989) at Tilford in the UK. He also worked closely with the 4th Khalifa’s inner circle (1986–1989) and noticed that they lacked qualities of goodness and virtue. At the same time, Hassan Odeh said that he observed that the 4th Khalifa was making mistakes with reading the Quran/hadith, “he didn’t have command of Arabic”, and that the member of the Mirza family lacked Taqwa and most had sold their soul to the Khalifa like rabbits. Hassan Odeh tells us that in 1989, as the second century of Ahmadiyya dawned, the 4th Khalifa gave a sermon on March 23rd, 1989 and announced that he had received a revelation and then read the revelation and then made a mistake and quickly changed the revelation (See page 76). This really shook Hassan Odeh. Hassan Odeh also mentions how Mirza Tahir Ahmad was always in search of New Ahmadi’s and specifically from the Arab world and was targeting young Arab men who were in the UK and seeking a work visa or educational visa (See page 78). Hassan Odeh explains how he came in contact with young arab men and they quickly accepted Ahmadiyya without asking many questions. Hassan Odeh claims that the conversions to Ahmadiyya were mutual, the arabs needed visa’s and Mirza Tahir Ahmad needed converts. Hassan says that after he left ahmadiyya, he confirmed that all of these young arab men had only converted to ahmadiyya for self-interest. He was also there for the Mubahila vs. Zia ul Haq and the famous prophecy of Mirza Tahir Ahmad about “Friday the 10th”. The Mubahila was also published in the Arabic magazine, “Al-Taqwa”. When Zia died, the 4th Khalifa was shocked and he thought that many people would join Ahmadiyya as a result of this, however, that didn’t happen. In fact, Zia had never accepted any Mubahila from Mirza Tahir Ahmad, nor did he ever know of it. However, many ulema from Pakistan had accepted it and has sent letters to the 4th Khalifa asking for a place to meet him and etc., however, Mirza Tahir Ahmad never even answered them. Thus, the Mubahila vs. Zia ul Haq and the propaganda that ensued also was a huge factor in Hassan Odeh leaving Qadianism. He also had issues with MGA’s attack on Muhammadi Begum and how the Ahmadiyya Movement was purposely mistranslating words as they lied about the facts of the case.
We have written extensively about Ahmadiyya in Kababir, Haifa, Israel. We wanted to add one more piece research information to our blog. We have found and posted a book by Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh, who is an ex-Ahmadi from Kababir, Haifa, Israel. He is from the famous Odeh family. In 1986, under Mirza Tahir Ahmad, he worked as the “Director-General” of the Arabic section of the Ahmadiyya Movement. He had also lived in Qadian and had learned Urdu and thus was able to read directly from the books of MGA. Read about Hani Tahir and Ikrami Najami herein.
By 1990, Ahmad Odeh (Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh’s brother) officially quit Ahmadiyya.
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When I first started reading about Ahmadiyya (2005), I came across an interesting debate between Dr. Tahir Ijaz and Dr. Zahid Aziz. Dr. Tahir Ijaz (the Qadiani-Ahmadi) is still a medical doctor and doesn’t have the proper academic background to discuss highly complicated literature and Dr. Zahid Aziz (the Lahori-Ahmadi) has ran the famous Lahori-Ahmadi blog and their website for many years. He seems to have gotten sick recently and even the Lahori-Ahmadi website has lost lots of documents and etc.
Nevertheless, I have reproduced their debate in the below. You can download some of the PDF’s herein:
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My team and I have translated the first 27 pages of the 1923 edition of Seerat ul Mahdi, which includes the first 48 narrations. These are hilarious stories of MGA. The most damning story thus far is about MGA’s death (See narration #11). In 1923, Mirza Bashir Ahmad and his mother told the world that MGA was too weak to go the bathroom and pooped diarrhea on the floor next to his own bed. This was changed in the 1935 edition of Seeratul Mahdi and stated that MGA’s widow (Nusrat Jehan) made arrangements by the side of the bed for MGA to poop diarrhea, which was a lie.
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