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Bashir Ahmad Misri, Murdered Multani were Correct about Mirza Mahmud in 1937 – Viceroy Papers

Please accept my apologies for the long title. The events of 1937 in Qadian went all the way to the Governor of the Punjab and the Governor-General (Viceroy) of India. Recently released documents by the Indian government show that:

  • Abdur Rahman Masri and Fakhruddin Multani did accuse Mirza Mahmud of moral turpitude of a sexual nature
  • Mirza Mahmud had no response but to incite violence against them up to the point that the Deputy Commissioner Gurdaspur was thinking about charging him.
  • Incitement led directly to the murder of Fakhruddin Multani
  • Deputy Commissioner Gurdaspur had to threaten Mirza Mahmud in order to get his tone down and renounce violence
  • Masri and Multani were guarded by police and authorities advised them to leave Qadian for their own safety
  • Section 144 (unlawful assembly) was imposed in Qadian for many days and mass prosecution under section 107 (incitement, same charge that was brought against Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) was contemplated

See this page from the original.  Other pages and complete description is at Fakhruddin Multani’s page, and Masri’s account.

Bashir Ahmad Misri’s Mubahila with Mirza Tahir Ahmad

Taken from: http://ahmedi.org/eng-articles/misrimubahila.html

1st January 1989
Al Hafiz B.A. Masri
7 Hurst Road East Molesey Surrey KT8 9AQ England
To Mr. Tahir Ahmad Mirza Amir Jamaat Ahmadiyya 16-18 Gressenhall Road London SW18 5QL England

1.Your secretary Mr. Rashid Ahmad Chaudhry, has sent me a letter (undated) by Recorded Delivery daring me on your behalf to accept your challenge of Mubahilla which you gave to the opponents of Qadianism on the 10th June 1988. This letter, along with a copy your challenge reached me on the 5th of August 1988.

2. It gives me great pleasure to accept your challenge and to avail myself of this opportunity to expose the pious fraud of Qadianism once and for all.

3. Mubahilla is a sort of ordeal by prayer in which two parties beseach Allah to establish the truth or falsity of matter under dispute. Since Mubahilla is a grave matter of utmost solemnity, it is expedient that we should settle its articles and convenants directly between the two of us instead of negotiating through our secretaries to avoid any possibility of ambiguity or incertitude in the final result of it.

4. On page 4 of your challenge you have conceded that those who accept your challenge are free to single out any one clause out of the articles you have listed. I therefore choose to accept the articles which you have written on page 2 in these words: “The second aspect of this Mubahilla concerns the utterly false accusations and the mischieveous propaganda against the Ahmadiyya community.”

5. Since my accusations are about matters of moral turpitude and sexual promiscuity of a nature which is not generally thought fit to be mentioned to ears polite, it needs to be explained as to why I feel justified and morally obliged in making these immodest accusations as issue for this ‘Mubahila’.

6. Normally no individual has a right to sit in judgement on another individual. However when a person assume a position of trust and moral responsibility he becomes personalized as an institution and forfeits his prerogative as an individual. In any civilized society, Doctors of Medicine, School Teachers, Office Bearers of Destitute Homes and Orphanges, the functionaries of all such institutions become open to moral and ethical censorship, in addition to Statutory Law. One of the reasons why religious charlatans and impostors remain unconstrained from the exploition of simple and gullible people is that the Governments of Secular States do not feel inclined to interfere in matters spiritual. It is left to society at large to regulate the affairs of their respective religious institutions and establishments.

7. My second justification is that your Qadiani clique started violating the civilized norms of sexual ethics not as individuals but as an institution in the name of Islam. Stop calling yourselves as Muslims, give yourselves any appellation as a new religion and Muslims will gladly leave you alone.

8. My accusations are not against the generality of the Qadiani community. There are many among them who believe in the Qadiani doctrines honestly and sincerely, albeit mistakenly. We do not start kicking against the people of other faiths on the grounds of doctrinal differences. It is only when their lifestyle becomes a menace to the ethical fabric of a society that people put their foot down. If there are degenerates in this world who are willing to sacrifice the honour and chastity of their womenfolk and young boys out of devotion to the religious thugs, good luck to them. However the moot point of contention arises when unsuspecting and innocent victims fall prey to such deceits. In that situation you feel justified in shouting from the roof-tops: Snake in the grass!

9. It is with this sence of moral responsibility and genuine solicitude that I accept your challenge of Mubahilla to establish whether the following accusations are true or false. MY CLAIM THAT THEY ARE TRUE IS BASED ON MY PERSONAL KNOLEDGE GAINED DURING MY LIFE IN QADIAN WHERE I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP UNTIL 1937, WHEN I DENOUNCED QADIANISM. THE OATH OF MUBAHILA

10. You shall declare on oath, in the words laid down below, that the under-mentioned statements made by me are false to the best of your knowledge; and I shall declare oath in the same words that they are true to the best of my knowledge:

11. “I Mirza Tahir Ahmad (Son of Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmoud Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement), the present Amir of the Qadiani section of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat, declare it on oath in the name of Allah that to the best of my knowledge, the under-mentioned statements made by Al-Hafiz B-A Masri, s/o Sheikh Abdul Rahman Masri, are false and that I have no knowledge to the effect that they are true. I pray and beseech Allah that in case I am perjuring myself by willingly uttering this false evidence while on oath, I may be cursed by Allah and die within one year from the date of uttering and signing of this oath in the presence of six witnesses, three of whom shall be selected by me and three shall be selected by the said Al-Hafiz Basheer Ahmad Masri.”
Signed by: six witnesses Signed by Mirza Tahir Ahmad .

12.”I, Al-Hafiz Basheer Ahmad Masri (s/o Sheikh Abdul Rahman Masri), declare it on oath the name of Allah that, to the best of my knowledge, the under-mentioned statements made by me are true. I further declare it on oath in the name of Allah that Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the present Amir of the Qadiani section of the Ahmiadiyya Jamaat knows that they are true. I pray and beseech Allah that in case I am perjuring myself by wilfully uttering this false evidence while on oath, I may be cursed by Allah and die within one year from the date of uttering and signing of this oath in the presence of six witnesses three of whom shall be selected by the said Mirza Tahir Ahmad.”
Signed by: Six Witnesses Signed by Al-Hafiz Basheer Ahmad Masri. THE ADJURATIONS OF MUBAHILA

13. I, Al-Hafiz Basheer Ahmad Masri, give this evidence on oath in the name of Allah that: Your father, Mirza Basheer ud-din Mahmoud Ahmad (the eldest of the three sons of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who was the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement, the Second Khalifa of the Qadiani section of the Ahmadiyya Jama’at) was a debaucher, fornicator, adulterer and incestuous i.e. guilty of habitual sexual intercourse even with women of near kin who are declared by not only the Islamic Shari’ah but also by all scriptural religions as inviolable (Haram). Your paternal uncle, Mirza Basheer Ahmad ( the second of the three sons of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) was a homosexual with a great sexual propensity for young boys. Your paternal uncle, Mirza Shareef Ahmad (the third of the three sons of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) was a homosexual with a great propensity for your boys. Your elder brother, Mirza Nasir (s/o Mirza Basheer- ud-Din Mahamoud Ahmad, grandson of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and the third Khalifa) was a fornicator and homosexual. Your maternal grand-uncle, Mir Muhammad Ishaque (brother of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s wife) held an oligarchial and celebrated position in the Qadiani community and was honoured with the title of Muhaddith, i.e. authority on Hadith (Sunnah and Tradition). He was a homosexual. As the man-in-charge of the orphanage in Qadian, the young orphan boys were helplessly at the mercy of his perversions.

14. I could go on listing many more names of people who held very high positions in the Qadiani Establishment, using their prestige and power to gratify their sensuous and perverted desires free of moral censure. However the real reason for writing these sordid details, even though it is an obscene subject, is to refute your assertion that the accusations are utterly false” and a “mischievous propaganda” against the “Ahmadies” while you know fully well that they are true.

15. As it is, I have confined the list of people in the above accusation to the Mirza family only in order not to confiuse the issue and thus to leave any loop-hole in it for to wriggle out of this Mubahila. Even within the Mirza family, I have left out many names of the second and the third generations for the same reason. The main reason for not including women of this family in this list is out of comassion. Although some of them have played a very active and willing role in this abomination and fraud, I consider them by and large as being the victims rather than the cluprits. Most of them had no choice and deserve pity.

16. The circumscription of the period of Mubahila to one year is meant to achieve definitive verdict of Allah. Leaving it open to generalities and to an unspecified period as you have done in your challenge, would leave the outcome of the Mubahila inconclusive. However, I am open to suggestions by you for any alteration in the span of time.

17. In case you try to seek shelter under the plea that you cannot vouch under oath for the good or bad moral conduct of those who are dead, I would point out that you have already agreed in principle to do so, on page 8 of your challenge in these words: “Since the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement is no longer in this world and it is neccessary that there should be a party to represent him, I and the Ahmadiyya community declare it with all our hearts and without any scruples that we accept this challenge of Mubahilla on his dehalf.”

18. If you are prepared to accept the challenge of Mubahilla on behalf of your dead grandfather, there is no earthly reason why you should not be able to accept a similar Mubahilla on behalf of your dead father, dead uncles and dead brother.

19. Apart from this the moot point at issue on which I am accepting your challenge of Mubahilla is not that you should represent your ancestors mentioned in paragraph 13. Your are being put on oath to vouch for yourself whether or not it is within your knowledge that your ancestors named in that paragraph were morally depraved and sexual debauchees. The reson why it has become necessary to drag these obscenities into the open is to prove that you as the head of a so-called religious denomination, know all these facts to be true and yet you are hypocritically misleading your followers and others and perpetuating the fraud of Qadianism in the name of Islam.

20. I hope you will appreciate that, by accepting your challenge of Mubahillah. I am giving you a unique chance of proving once and for all that my accusations are false. What you have to do is simply to declare on oath, in the words prescribed above in paragraph 11, that you have no knowledge that my above-stated accusations in paragraph 13 are true. I assertively insist that you know without a shadow of doubt that my accusations are true, so much so that on my part I am prepared unhesitatingly to stake not only my cerdibility but my life as well on it. More than that I am prepared to lay myself open to the eternal curse of Allah on myself, in case I am wrong or uttering a falsehood.

21. Mr Tahir Ahmad! Let us take our case to the Court of Allah, the Supreme Judge of the Universe and leave it to him to adjudge between us.
Signed: B.A. Masri. Al-Hafiz Basheer Ahmad Masri.
P.S. Since there are millions of Muslims who do not know Urdu,I would request you to do all your correspondence on this subject in English, which can be translated later into Urde, Arabic and other languages.
B.A. Masri.
BY REGISTERED POST To Mr. Tahir Ahmad Mirza Amir Jama’at Ahmadiyya 16-18 Gressenhall Road London SW18 5QL England.

A REMINDER It is noted that you have neglected to respond to my letter, accepting your challenge of Mubahilla. This was mailed to you by registered post on the 18th August 1988, and two months later there is still no reply from you. In case I do not receive a reply from you within two weeks, I shall have to make it known to the Muslim world that your challenge of Mubahilah was nothing more than a cheap con game and a confidence trick at which you people have become quite adept.
I would like to make this point clear that, until the oath of Mubahila has been pronounced and Allah’s Judgement has been invoked solemnly by both the parties, the Mubahilah does not become operative. I have to request you, in your own interest, not to try to have me killed, as your predecessors used to do when cornered in similar circumstances. Otherwise the consequences for you and your minions would be extremely disastrous.
The whole Muslim world has come to know what kind of people you are. They are getting fed up with your Qadiani fraud in the name of Islam and are not prepared to put up with it any longer. I am still hoping against hope that you would tell me when and how you would like both of us take the oath of Mubahila.

Signed: Al Hafiz Basheer Ahmad Masri.

 

Out of fear from Ahmadi’s and MGA’s fake prophecies, Batalvi registered to buy a gun (1898-1899), but was denied

Intro
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was really close friends with Batalvi going back to his childhood days, in fact, they even shared some of the same teachers.  However, MGA began praying for people to die as early as 1880, nevertheless, by 1884 he was at odds with the ulema of India in terms of his claim of getting divine revelation.  By 1889, MGA had turned on Muslims as he claimed that Esa (As) was dead and never returning and indicating that he (MGA) was an Esa (as) and others could also come.  By 1893, he was telling the world that Lekh Ram would die violently, he was thus murdered in Lahore and was still alive until he got to the Mayo Hospital in Lahore and the Ahmadi doctor who just so happened to be on duty let him die (March 6th,1897).  Athim was also given many death threats and eventually died of old age, which MGA argued fulfilled his prophecy.  MGA beat the case, the same way he beat all of his cases, with the help of the British government.  Kashful Ghita was published by the Ahmadiyya jamaat in 1898 in english.  In this book MGA denied that he was publishing a death prophecy, he fell back and said it was just a prayer.  Furthermore, he denied ever having a dream/ilham which indicated the end of the British Government within 8 years, however, by 1929, many Ahmadi’s came forward and admitted that MGA did in-fact have this dream/ilham, thus proving that MGA lied in his book.  The British courts dropped the case vs. MGA and forced him and Batlalvi to sign a 6 clause declaration, wherein both of them agreed to stop insulting each other in the press and to stop doing death prophecies aka Mubahila’s.  Thus, the British government ordered MGA to stop his silly death prophecies again.  This was because of the help that MGA’s father gave the British in 1857, hence, MGA was above the law in British India. Even when MGA was totally guilty of breaking the law, the Brits pardoned him.  MGA had some insults written about Batalvi in his newspaper also (the al-Hakam, however, in court MGA denied any connections to that newspaper).  Batalvi never engaged MGA ever again.

Oct-November of 1898
Some Muslims of India ask Batalvi to officially engage MGA in a Mubahila (see Dard page, 604–608).  On November 10th, 1898, Muhammad Baksh of Lahore (manager of the Ja‘far Zatalli, Tajul Hind Press), along with a colleague of his, Abul Hasan Tibbati, published a reply to the Ahmadi’s of Patiala, Simla, Allahabad, Batala, Amritsar, Lahore, Bhera, Sialkot and to MGA.

October 1898
MGA’s house is raided and searched by Inspector Rana Jalal-ud-Din Khan, who had arrived in
Qadian under the command of the Superintendent of Police and surrounded MGA’s house. The Superintendent and the Inspector then climbed up to the roof of the mosque much to the consternation of Maulana Abdul Karim Sialkoti who was present on the roof and witnessed
this police action (see Mujadid e Azim, abridged english version).

MGA responds to the question of Mubahila with Batalvi
November 21st, 1898

“”””If I am, really a liar and an impostor as Muhammad Husain and his friends declare me
to be, then let me be disgraced. But if it is not so, O God, then bring disgrace upon them as
they have tried to bring disgrace upon me. Let them be disgraced within the next 13 months—
December 15th, 1898, to January 15th, 1900.””” (see Dard, page 605)Dard claims that MGA published an announcement, however, we haven’t found it as of yet.

MGA’s death prophecy vs. Batalvi is now official
MGA and Ahmadi’s were now praying that some disgrace happen to Batlavi in the in next 13 months.  This was against the order that MGA had just signed with the British government, Via Judge Captain Douglas wherein he promised to stop making “death prophecies” and “disgrace predictions”.

November 30th, 1898
On November 30th, 1898, MGA issued another leaflet in which he instructed his followers to observe patience under every kind of provocation. They should purify their hearts and stick to their ways of humility, meekness and love. They should persevere in prayer and wait for the judgement of God promised in his leaflet dated November 21st, 1898.

Breach of peace by MGA on December 1st, 1898?
There was an apprehension of a breach of the peace and that therefore MGA and Maulawi Muhammad Husain should both be bound over to keep the peace under section 107, Cr. P. C. Muhammad Husain, he said, had bought a sharp dagger made at Bhera which he showed as his weapon of self-defense. The Gurdaspur police endorsed the report and confirmed the allegation that MGA was violating the order of Capt. Douglas which prohibited him from making such prophecies.

Dec 5th,1898
On December 5, 1898, Batalvi applied for an arms licence for a pistol on the plea that his life was in danger on account of the prophecy made by MGA, Batalvi argued that MGA was getting his death prophecies fulfilled by his fanatical followers, thus Batalvi’s life was in danger. The case was fixed for hearing against MGA on January 9, 1899.

MGA gets an official notice to appear in court on Jan 9th, 1899
MGA came to know about the case instituted against him between December 10 and 15, 1898 and this book was published on December 27, 1898, in which he assured the Government and acquainted them with the peaceful principles of his Jama‘at. In this book, he also drew the attention of the authorities to the abuse and vituperation to which he was being subjected by
Maulavi Muhammad Hussain Batalvi and his friends. In the defense statement filed with the District Magistrate of Gurdaspur on January 27, 1899 (see Hidden Treasures).

The Kashful-Ghita was thus published
Dard tells us that MGA and his team wrote as follows:

“”””To recapitulate, five charges have been brought against me in this case: (1) that I habitually make prophecies of death or injury to others, (2) that I have disregarded the terms of the notice signed by me in Dr. Clark’s case by publishing a prophecy on November 21, 1898, (3) that I pre-arrange the fulfilment of my prophecies or make secret attempts to fulfil them afterwards, (4) that my writings are harsh and provocative, and (5) that my prophecy of November 21, 1898, is likely to cause a breach of peace.

My reply to them is:

(1) that no such prophecy was ever been published without the consent of the person about whom it was made and that it is only after much persistence on his part that such a course had been adopted,

(2) that the notice in question contains no prohibition against making a prophecy,

(3) that this was only a suspicion, not having the slightest evidence in support of it, and that the good conduct of my followers, the high moral tone of my teachings and the absence of any such assertion on the part of those about whom the prophecies were made, are strong proofs to reject such a supposition completely,

(4) that my writings are not provocative in the least, and this becomes clear on comparison of the
writing of the two parties, and

(5) that the prophecy had been made and fulfilled without causing any breach of peace.”””” (Life of Ahmad by A.R. Dard, online edition of 2008, pp. 633-634).

However, MGA lied about his 8-year prophecy of demise about the British Government
In roughly 1895, MGA saw a dream that he interpreted to mean that the demise of the British government would happen in 8 years.

Jan 9th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
MGA reached the court compound at about 10 o’clock, and waited till noon. The lawyer engaged by Maulawi Muhammad Husain could not come that day and at his telegraphic request the hearing was postponed by Mr. J. M. Dowie to January 11th, 1899.  The attitude of the magistrate (Dowie) appeared to be stiff. In a note he asked the parties to show cause why they should not both be bound over for a period of 12 months and also furnish security of Rs. 1,000 each (see Dard).

Jan 11th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
The hearing began on the 11th at Gurdaspur. MGA was represented by Mr. W. Browne, Sh. Fadl
Din, Sh. Ali Ahmad and Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. Mr. Browne admitted that his client had issued the following: Ishtihar dated 1.11.1898 (b) Ishtihar dated 3.1.1899 (c) Ishtihar dated 6.1.1899 (d) Kashful Ghita (e) Ishtihar dated 7.1.1899. Maulawi Muhammad Husain admitted in court that he had published in his paper.

Batalvi’s comments in terms of MGA were discussed
1—-“”””That the Qadiani is a Dajjal of this time, a second Musailma, perfidious, deceiver, cheat,
liar and impostor, and that he is the enemy of the faith of Islam and all other heavenly faiths.””” (Vol. 16, No. 1, p. 6.).

2—“””Had we been under Muslim rule, we would have given you (Ahmadas) a proper reply. We
would have at once cut off your head with a sword and made you a dead body”””. (Vol. 18, No. 3, p. 95).

3—“””Otherwise He would send down the severest punishment upon you and drive you to
destruction””” (Vol. 15, No. 1, p. 15. See also Vol. 18, No. 7, p. 215).

4—-“””‘If you are a man and have any courage, then prove both your claims in an assembly of
learned men—you will not come into the field—I challenge you to a Mubahala. Come out into the field of Mubahala and take an oath”””. (Vol. 14, No. 12 p. 338).

5—-“””Have pity on the creatures of God and give up stratagems. Either accept Islam—or prove by means of a controversy or a Mubahala that these articles of faith which you profess do not
lead to Kufr.”””” (Vol. 18, No. 3, p. 77 See also Vol. 17, No, 12, p. 384; Vol. 18, No. 4, p. 132).

6—-“”””Having expressed many a time my readiness to have a Mubahala with him, I prevented his having recourse to a challenge for Mubahila. I showed the mischief contained in the conditions added by him to a Mubahila—when these machinations of his were broken and he was left helpless he devised another plan which he published in his Ishtihar of May 19th, 1897,
viz. both parties should pray to God without coming into the presence of each other. This
showed clearly that he was unable to have a Mubahila with me in my presence, and that
therefore no one should go to him in Qadian. I accepted this method also.””” (Vol. 18, No. 7, p.
197).

MGA’s comments in court at Gurdaspur
MGA stated in court that the prophecies about the Rev. Abdullah Athim and Pt. Lekhram had been made at their written request and with their consent.

Muhammad Bakhsh, who was a prosecution witness at Gurdaspur
He stated that he had been at Batala from 1893. In his opinion there was real danger to Muhammad Husain from MGA. Sayyid Bashir Husain, Police Inspector, also appeared in court and deposed that there was real danger to peace and that there had been strong suspicion against MGA in the matter of the murder of Pt. Lekhram. There was no suspicion against Muhammad Husain. The houses of MGA’s enemies were also searched when Pt. Lekhram was
murdered (See Dard).

January 13th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
MGA presented over 50+ witnesses to the court, however, the court complained that these were too many.

January 17th, 1899 at Gurdaspur
After asking MGA to reduce his amount of witnesses a second time.  The case continued.

January 27th, 1899 at Dhariwal

MGA presented the court with a 20-page letter in english (See Dard, 614-634).  MGA defended himself against all allegations.  Nevertheless, the case was extended.

Feb 3rd, 1899
MGA is sent a letter from the British courts that he might be forced to pay 1000 rupees as guarantee that he would keep the peace and thus not cause a “breach of peace”, which was against the law.

February 14th, 1899
MGA and his team wrote another letter begging to not have to pay the 1000 rupees and full of flattery.  (See Dard, pages 635-638).

February 24th, 1899
The Judge makes a final decision on the case, he forces MGA and Batalvi to sign a 6-clause declaration, wherein they will not be able to insult each other or make prophecies about each other (see Dard).  The case ends with this declaration.

The 6-clause declaration
(1) I will abstain from publishing any prophecy which implies or might reasonably be
considered to imply that any person will suffer disgrace or be an object of the Divine displeasure.

(2) I will abstain from publishing any appeal to God requesting that He will, by disgracing any person or by granting a sign that any person is an object of the Divine displeasure, show who is right and who wrong in any matter of religious controversy.

(3) I will abstain from publishing as an inspired message any statement which implies
or might reasonably be held to imply that any person will be disgraced or is an object of the
Divine displeasure.

(4) I will abstain from employing in any controversy with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or any
friend or follower of his any abusive epithet or injurious expression and from publishing any
writing or picture which might cause him pain. I promise not to use with reference to him or
any friend or follower of his such expressions as Dajjal, Kafir, Liar, Kadiani. (note: Kadiani
spelt with a means cheat. J. M. Dowie). I will publish nothing with refererce to his
private life and family relations which might reasonably cause him pain.

(5) I will abstain from challenging Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or any friend or follower of his
to resort to any appeal to God (Mubahala) for the purpose of showing who is right and who wrong in any controversy. I will not challenge him or any friend or follower of his to make
any prophecy with reference to any person.

(6) I will to the utmost of my power induce any persons over whom I have influence to act
on their part in the manner in which I have promised to act in clauses 1,2,3,4,5′.

A six clause declaration?

A reference to this case in Seeratul Mahdi

“””This case registered against him for maintenance of Public Law keeping Arms and Ammunition under section 107 of criminal procedure code. The court of Mr dowie Deputy Commissioner Gurdaspur exonerated hazrat sb being bailable offence on 24 february 1899. The case was filed on the application of Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi and on the report of in-charge Police station Batala on 1st December 1898. Detail published in Al-Hakam March 1899.”””

Links and Related Essays

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/12/30/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-lies-about-his-relationship-with-his-newspaper-al-hakam/

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http://www.aaiil.org/text/books/mga/kashfulghita/kashfulghitaenglish.pdf

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/12/25/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-vs-molana-muhammad-hussain-batalvi-and-muslims-leaders-in-british-india-in-august-of-1891/

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In the early 1890’s, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that the British Government’s control of India would end in 8 years

Intro
MGA made many strange predictions about the future.  Another weird one is his prediction about the British Government.  He had a revelation in Persian which indicated that the British government would end its rule in India in 8 years.  Later on, this revelation was deleted by the Ahmadiyya editing team.  In Seeratul Mahdi,  Volume 1 page 68,  Mirza Bashir Ahmad mentioned three names Haji Abdul Majeed, Haifz Hamid Ali and Mian Abdullah Sanwari as witnessed that MGA received a revelation in which it was mentioned that rule British Government will end in 8 years. One out of these three witness (Mian Abdullah Sanauri) says that he remembers this revelation like it was etched in stone.  As time passed British Rule became stronger and stronger day by day. Mirza realized that he has fired a wrong bullet so in Roohani Khazain Volume 14 page 216 (Kashful Ghita) he denied this ILHAM altogether (see the scan in the below), it can also be found on pages 38-39 of the 1898 english edition of Kashf-ul-Ghita).  MGA denied this prophecy mainly because one of his friends informed of this prophesy to Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi and he published it in his magazine Ishaat us sunnah. Mirza got scared that his masters, the Britishers would not like this so he denied it.  We don’t have the original scan from that newspaper as of yet.  Nevertheless, Ahmadi’s archived this revelation of MGA after the Khalifa authenticated it in 1929.

2009 online english edition of Tadhkirah, see page, 1017
[Persian] [The British Empire will last for eight years; thereafter there will be weakness, disturbance and decline.]

[al-Fadl, vol. 16, no. 78, April 5, 1929, p. 5]

Jalal ud Din Shams’ commentary on this persian revelation
Shams was an employee of the Mirza family and a major editor, you will see his notes all over the literature of the Ahmadiyya Movement.  He claims that this revelation was fulfilled via the death of Queen Victoria in 1901.  Shams doesn’t mention that this book was published in English in 1898.

Additional references from the 2009 online english edition of Tadhkirah, see page 1018

Hafiz Hamid ‘Ali narrated to me (((Refers to Haji ‘Abdul-Majid))), …that Hadrat Sahib [the Promised Messiah] received the revelation:

[Persian] [The British Empire will last for eight years, thereafter there will be the days of
weakness, and decline.]

[Siratul-Mahdi, part 1, p. 75, no. 96, 2nd ed]

Sahibzadah Pir Sirajul-Haqq Nu‘mani narrates that he has heard this revelation as following:

[Persian] [The power of the British will last for eight years, thereafter there will be the days of weakness, and decline.]

[Siratul-Mahdi, vol. 2, p. 9, Riwayat no. 314]

The scans

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad vs. Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi and Muslims leaders in British-India in August of 1891

Intro
MGA avoided public debates, in fact, he only competed in 5 total debates in his 30- year career (1878–1908), and they were all written debates.  MGA stuttered and was thus incapable of articulating in any language.  In July 1891, MGA had a scheduled debate with Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi at Ludhiana and ran away from there on 31 July.

Summary of the scans in the below
( from Ishaat us sunnah Volume-14 , publication Year 1891, pages 2 onwards)

After being humiliated at Ludhiana, Mirza in his Ishtihar dated 1st August 1891, invited Batalvi to have a debate with him at Lahore. Batalvi replied that he is ready to debate with him at Lahore Peshawar or Qadian. However, MGA backed out yet again.

He then planned to try his luck at Dehli. He reached Dehli in October, 1891, where he published an Ishtihar challenging Molvi Syed Nazir Hussain for a debate he also put the name of Molvi Abdul Haq in his Ishtihar. MGA thought Molvi Nazir and Abdul Haq, due to their old age, would not come to face him and Molana Batalvi would also be far away from Dehli so he would get a “walk over.”

What happened was that Molvi Abdul Haq accepted the challenge and Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi (ever chasing MGA), also reached Delhi. Before the arrival of Molana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi, MGA had negotiated the debate on the following un reasonable terms and conditions:-

a.)Special permission of Deputy Commissioner should be issued in his name.
b.)A European officer should be ever present in the gathering.
c.) Debators should write with their hands and read over to public no munshi or Scribe is permitted.

But when Muhammad Hussain Batalvi reached Dehli, MGA went to Molana Abdul Haq and said your name was mentioned in the debate erroneously . He said I do not want to debate with you. Molvi Abdul Haq said he is ready to withdraw if you publish an ishtihar to this effect. So MGA issued an Ishtihar on 6th of October saying that he do not want to debate with Molvi Abdul haq because he had met him and found him a monk like person. He do not like to interact with govt officials hence he would debate only with Nazir Hussain who may keep Muhammad Hussain Batalvi with him for assistance during debate.

This trick, however failed when Molvi Abdul Haq replied in a published Ishtihar that he can arrange anything and invited Mirza sb to come to the Town Hall on 11th October for this debate otherwise he would be termed as liar. Mean time Muhammad Hussain Batalvi published Ishtihar inviting MGA to have debate with him if he loses then MGA may debate with Molvi Nazir Hussain. He requested him to come to the Chandni Mahal on 11th Oct, 1891 at 9.AM. The ishtihar further states that all terms and conditions laid by you are acceptable and we do not lay any terms and condition from our side. All arrangements have been finalized with the expenditures of hand sum amount.

MGA replied that he hates to debate with Molvi Muhammad Hussain and would have it with Molvi Nazir Hussain only. This refusal was accepted by Molvi Nazir Hussain and MGA was informed that his challenge to Debate with Molvi Nazir Hussain, has been accepted and he must come to Chandni Mahal on 11th Oct. However MGA breached this agreement on the pretext of law and order situation and wrote a letter to defer this debate till Ghulam Qadir would inform Deputy Commissioner.

On 5th October, Molvi Nazir Hussain wrote to MGA to come to his house and talk to him directly to remove his apprehensions, still MGA refused and said there should be a European officer in the debate. After that 14 letters were sent to MGA for debate from Ulema of Dehli inviting MGA, but he refused them all.

One of them was Molvi Abdul Majeed who invited MGA and offered a reward money of Rs 1000/-in case MGA prove his claims.  Molvi Rahim Bakhsh invited MGA, Molvi Mujaddid Ali Khan too invited MGA for debate on 10th Oct at Masjid Fatehpuri , Molvi Abdul Hamid invited MGA to come to the roof top of his house and he would be at his roof top, there would be Bazar between two and no risk of life would be there, but MGA did not agree and dared not to come out of his heavily guarded house.

MGA failure to debate at Chandni Mahal brought great humiliations to him. So he thought of washing of this defamation. He brought another Ishtihar dated 17 Oct 1891 wherein he used abusive language against Molvi Nazir Hussain and challenged to declare him liar in his claims and in his arguments under oath in open before general public. Molvi Nazir Hussain went to Jamia Masjid Dehli with general public and sent message to Mirza sb that he is ready to give such statement under oath now come to us in Jamia Masjid and state your claims and arguments before us.

This message was given to MGA through Nawab Saeeduddin Khan of Loharo, Molvi Abdul Majid and Mir Basharat Hussain Kotwal City.  Nevertheless, MGA refused again.

After prayer Molvi Abdul Majid, Nawab Saeeduddin Khan and Syed Bashir Hussain Inspector Police went to MGA and asked him to give them in writing that he would repent if Molvi Nazir Hussain rejects his claims and arguments on oath. MGA got puzzled on this demand and remained silent. However, his deputy Mullahs stood up and said we would repent after one month subject to the condition that Molvi Nazir Hussain would not fall ill or suffer from fever and headache during this period.

Subsequently, few questions were asked from Mirza sb through the City Superintendent Sahab Bahdur, as under:

City Superintendent: why Do you not cut short your arguments and agree to give a written statement.

MGA and his team:- we want to talk on the life and death issue of Jesus Pbuh and nothing else.
Molvi Abdul Majid :-We want to settle this issue including all of your claims. Do you have a proof to your claim of Messiah ship.

MGA and his team : same answer.

City Superintendent:– Addressing to Mirza sb, Are you Messiah? If yes what is the proof? Suppose Jesus has died then why should you be considered a Messiah give us a proof?

MGA :-Remains silent.

Khwaja Muhammad Yusuf from MGA side: addressing to Molvi Sahib , Hazrat if someone wants to be muslim why do do you not allow him to be?

Molvi sb: Yes if he repents he is our brother!
Khwaja sb: I can bring his written repentance just now. He would write it down that whatever he wrote against Quraan and Hadis is rejected and he is a muslim.

MGA wrote repentance but in the same language as that of he published in his Ishtihar of 12 October.

Molvi sb. He should write that he seeks repentance from Allah for whatever anti Islam he wrote in Tozihula maram, Fathe Islam and Izala auham.

After few more meaningless exchanges between the parties, the City Superintendent Sahab Bahadur announces to end the proceeding and MGA and his deputy mullahs returned under police escort.

Scans

 

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In June-July of 1908, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote that the ‘Promised Son’ would not be actual son of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Intro
The majority of prophecies of MGA failed.  As a result of this, after MGA died, Ahmadi’s scrambled to clean up the mess.  Noorudin tackled the failure of the Muhammadi Begum prophecy directly, but there are many other cases, in fact, we are all late to the party, so to speak.  This entire story and references is taken from the Lahori-Ahmadi website.  This is basically the son of MGA saying that he isn’t the Musleh Maud, however, after he became Khalifa, almost every edition of the ROR was claiming that he was actually the Musleh Maud.  Years later, the Lahori-Ahmadi’s would opine that MGA’s son that died was the Musleh Maud.  Finally, Hani Tahir recently made a video about this entire story herein (at the 4:49 mark).  Hani Tahir quotes a speech of the Khalifa, Mirza Basheer-uddin mahmud Ahmad from the annual jalsa of 1939 wherein the Khalifa argues that he cannot deny the Khilafat like Hassan did, or else he would die and cause his whole family to be killed, like Hasan.  This speech was given on the 25 year anniversary of his Khilafat.  Its Urdu edition was first published by Al-Shirkatul Islamiyyah in 1961 and has now been included in Anwarul ‘Ulum Vol. 15.  The first english edition was published in 2009.

Why so many contradictions?
The sons of MGA contradict each other all the time, this is nothing new.  In fact, Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad would always publicly say that a son of a Khalifa should not be a Khalifa, however, behind the scenes he was prepping Mirza Nasir Ahmad to be the 3rd Khalifa.  In fact, after 1956 or so, the Khalifa, Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad stopped making public appearances and never led Salaat, Mirza Nasir Ahmad did all of that, and thus acted like a Khalifa as early as 1956 or 1957.  One more point, Mirza Nasir Ahmad was the President of Majlis Khuddam ul Ahmadiyya since its inception in 1939, and thus all the youth of Ahmadiyya knew who Mirza Nasir Ahmad, the Khalifa seems to have taken the president-ship for about 5-6 years (officially) upto 1954, he was also the principal of the Talim ul Islam Highschool at Qadian and the new college in 1944 to 1965.  Other then this, he didn’t seem to write any essays in his daddy’s magazines and newspapers, nor are any of his speeches recorded or written out from the 1950’s.  Interestingly enough, Mirza Bashir Ahmad opined that the Ahmadiyya Khilafat would end (in the 1950’s he wrote about it).

The Data
Shortly after the death of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in May 1908, Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad wrote a lengthy article in the magazine of which he was editor, Tashhiz-ul-Azhan (v. 3, no. 6–7, June–July 1908), answering allegations by the opponents of the Ahmadiyya Movement that some of the prophecies of the Promised Messiah had not been fulfilled in his lifetime. One objection related to the non-fulfilment of the prophecy of the birth of a noble and glorious son who would bring a great transformation in the world (the Muslih Mau‘ood). In answering this objection, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote that the word ‘son’ in this prophecy could apply to a later descendant of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad from some future generation or it could even apply to any true follower who is not physically related to him in any way.

After Mirza Mahmud Ahmad became khalifa in 1914, his followers began to put forward the notion that he was the Muslih Mau‘ood, till in 1944 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad himself laid claimed to this.Starting from within that period till now, members of the Qadiani Movement have been raising the same objection against the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement as the opponents of the Ahmadiyya Movement raised against Ahmadis in 1908, saying: if you believe that the Muslih Mau‘ood has not yet come then it means that the Promised Messiah’s prophecy about a great son was untrue. Our answer is just the same as the answer that Mirza Mahmud Ahmad gave to the opponents of the Ahmadis so emphatically, in full detail, in 1908 as quoted below.

In this reply Mirza Mahmud Ahmad does not even mention the possibility that one of the three sons living at that time, including himself, could in future become the Muslih Mau‘ood. However, his followers later argued that a part of the prophecy, made in 1886, was that the Muslih Mau‘ood would be born within nine years, so he had to be born by 1895. But Mirza Mahmud Ahmad makes no mention of this in his 1908 article!

Extracts from article by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad

Note: Click here to see the extracts below from the original Urdu magazine, presented as scanned images.

 


This point should also be considered that even according to the use of language the word ‘son’ can also be applied to a descendant from some future generation. Accordingly, it is used in this way frequently in Arabic. Thus, many tribes are named after a forerunner and they are called his sons.

— p. 297-298


Considering that people of the world call one man as the son of another who passed away several centuries earlier, and thus Umar ibn Abdul Aziz and Harun Rashid are known as the sons of Umayya and Abbas respectively, why cannot God the Most High call a boy from among the future descendants of the Promised Messiah as being his son? Is God not allowed to do what people can do? When worldly people can consider a man to be related to one who passed away long before, even though he does not deserve it, can God not do the same, Who knows well who deserves to be related to whom? Today those known as Sayyid, despite being embroiled in thousands of kinds of evils and sins, … are considered deservant of being called Al-i Muhammad, but when God the Most High has, for some purpose, referred to a boy from among the future descendants of the Promised Messiah as being his son, this is regarded as unlawful.

… Today, not hundreds but thousands of preachers call out loudly in their speeches ‘O sons of Adam, refrain from doing such and such acts’ and ‘do such and such acts’, but no one asks them: ‘Why are you addressing us by this title when Adam was not our father?’ So what is the problem if a boy from among the future descendants of the Promised Messiah is called his son?

His revelation, kafá háza, proves clearly that the revelation about son refers to a boy from the future descendants, and the revelation ‘your descendants will have fame through your name’ further supports that someone from future descendants can also be called the son of the Promised Messiah. God the Most High knows well who deserves to be known as his son. So what harm is there if a prophecy is given about a glorious boy who would bring a transformation in the world and he is called as the son of Hazrat sahib? The Holy Prophet too said that those among the Persians who accept Islam are included in the Bani Fatima. So do the Persians themselves become the sons of Fatima? One should also ponder over the fact that in the Quran and Hadith this figure of speech is used frequently. So what harm is there if God the Most High spoke to the Promised Messiah in this way? For example, in the Holy Quran the Jews are again and again called the Children of Israel. Although Israel had died some 2500 years previously, God the Most High still called the Jews as the Children of Israel. If this had not been a form of expression used by the Arabs and in the Divine scriptures, the Jews of that time who raised objections on most things would have cried out immediately that they were not the Children of Israel and would have given the names of their fathers. Again, in the Holy Quran it is said about Abraham “We gave him Isaac and Jacob”, even though Jacob was not the son of Abraham but of Isaac. This shows that such expressions occur in the word of God, and there is no scope for objection in this.

— p. 298-300


By son can be meant grandson or great grandson or some other descendant. There is no cause for objection in this.

— p. 300


Ponder that it is stated clearly in the Quran:

“And strive hard for Allah with due striving. He has chosen you and has not laid upon you any hardship in religion — the faith of your father Abraham. He named you Muslims.” (22:78)

Now does this verse mean that the name of the father of every Muslim is Abraham? Most certainly not. It means that he who follows the example of Abraham, walks in the path taught by him and accepts Islam, is in the sight of God like the son of Abraham. Everyone knows that there are hundreds of nations among Muslims who are not descended from Abraham nor is their nation connected with the family of Abraham in any way. Thus when God declares every such person as son of Abraham who is a Muslim and strives in the way of God, giving the word ‘son’ so broad a meaning that it is not necessary to be from among the Bani Ismail or the Bani Israel, then where is the difficulty if the same God today declares someone from the future descendants of the Promised Messiah as his son? To sum up, not only people of Iran, Afghanistan, India, China and Japan but even Europe and America can be called sons of Abraham, and God the Most High calls them sons of Abraham in the Holy Quran. So what is the problem if a man is declared as the son of the Promised Messiah?

We also find such figures of speech when we look in Hadith. For example, on the night of the mi‘raj, when the Holy Prophet asked Gabriel about Abraham, he replied to him: This is your righteous father. He said the same about Adam. So when this is proved from the Quran and Hadith, then why is the objection raised against the Promised Messiah that he was given the promise of a son which was not fulfilled. The promises of God never remain unfulfilled. They always come to pass, and the same will happen in this case. These revelations did not mean that the Promised Messiah himself would have a son but that in the future such a man would be born from his progeny who, in the sight of God, would be as if he were his son, and would be considered his fifth son, besides his four sons. Just as Jesus is known as the son of David, so will he be called the Promised Messiah’s son.

This view of mine is supported by the revelation of the Promised Messiah that I quoted above, kafá háza, which meant that he would not have any further male issue. Accordingly, two girls were born after this, and no boy. The Promised Messiah himself also believed this because he too applied a revelation to his grandson which gave news of a son. Otherwise, if he thought that it would be his son, why should he have applied it to his grandson? In that case, he would have thought that he would have a son in the future to fulfil the revelation. So it is evidently clear that those revelations were about a boy from later descendants, whether it be a grandson, great grandson, or later still.

— p. 301-303


Our Holy Prophet had given the prophecy of the railway as a form of transport which has been fulfilled today. Should the people of the twelve centuries in the middle have given up Islam and turned to unbelief because the prophecy of the new form of transport was not fulfilled? As this has been happening to all the prophets, that they made prophecies about future times, then what does it matter if the Promised Messiah also gave some news of the future and foretold that among his descendants would be born a boy possessing such great awe that it would be as if God had descended from heaven to help him? This will further prove his truth and people of that future time will see this prophecy fulfilled and derive pleasure from it. People of the present time should ponder over the promises that are for them … As I have written, this prophecy of a son is about a boy from his descendants who would be a man of great glory, being accompanied by Divine succour. I have also proved that it is not only in the revelation of the Promised Messiah that such metaphorical expressions occur, but they are also found in the words of the earlier prophets and in the Quran and Hadith. A person is referred to as son, but a later descendant is meant.

— p. 305

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/07/12/ahmadiyy-and-2455-of-the-quran-and-their-spiritual-khilafat/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Talim

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Khilafat-e-Rashida.pdf

http://ahmadiyya.org/qadis/rep-khilafat-speech.pdf

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/06/29/the-office-of-khilafat-cannot-be-a-family-inheritance/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/08/even-in-1907-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-was-still-lusting-for-his-niece-muhammadi-begum/

http://www.muslim.org/qadis/mm/tashhiz.htm

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=tash

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/06/29/the-office-of-khilafat-cannot-be-a-family-inheritance/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/02/17/was-mirza-mubarak-ahmad-the-musleh-maud/

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When a Sikh looter murdered an Ahmadi in Qadian and during partition

Intro
Dear readers, Ahmadiyya sources are the epitome of “fake news”, they been doing this since 1878, starting with MGA.  Nevertheless, Ahmadiyya sources are silent on Fakhr-uddin Multani and myriad of other topics.  We have found a story from an Ahmadi, his name is Dr. Muhammad Sharif Khan and he wrote a detailed history of this high school and college.  He tells us about the Ti College and how some Ahmadi’s were directed to stay at Qadian and guard it.  This led to an Ahmadi being killed.  Mirza Tahir Ahmad also spoke about his life at Qadian and during partition.  He was barely 20 years old and in the prime of his youth during this time, in his book, “A Man of God”, he speaks about having many guns hidden away.  All of these details are cloudy, we are unsure of what happened.  However, we do know that the Khalifa fled to Lahore from Qadian under military escort, Bashir Ahmad Orchard was part of the caravan.

Dr. Sharif Khan tells us: 
See page 9

“”””In an office order issued on 30th June, 1947, Talim-ul-Islam College was notified by
the principal to remain close for summer recess from 1st July to 27th September, 1947.
Meanwhile partition of the subcontinent, into India and Pakistan, as two sovereign states,
took place on 14th August 1947. So that 30th June, 1947, proved to be the last working
day of the college in Qadian.

Most of the college officials and students migrated to Pakistan, however, few were
directed to stay back, to help protect college equipment from looting and destruction by
the refugees that were pouring into Qadian from surrounding areas. They were also to
supervise safe evacuation process and migration of women and children to Pakistan.
Muhammad Munir Khan Shami, a Talim-ul-Islam College B.Sc. student, who was at
guard duty was martyred by a band of Sikh looters“””

Links and Related Essays

https://archive.org/details/AManOfGodIainAdamson/page/n9

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Orchard

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Multani

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/06/30/the-british-govt-donated-25000-rupees-for-the-talim-ul-islam-high-school-in-qadian-in-1909/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/30/ahmadi-teachers-at-the-talim-ul-islam-high-school-were-corrupt-they-would-pass-mirza-basheer-uddin-mahmud-ahmad-even-when-he-failed/

http://www.ticollegerabwah.com/talimul.pdf


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Bashir Ahmad Orchard, the first non-desi-Ahmadi-imam


Intro

Dear readers, we have recently covered some of the non-pakistani-imams that were rushed through Jamia and even though they failed, were made imam’s by the Ahmadi Khalifa.  Bashir Ahmad Orchard, previously known as John Bren Orchard (April 26th, 1920 – July 8th, 2002), seems to be their first ever indigenous European Ahmadiyya Missionary, he was born in Torquay, England and thus became the first ever English-Ahmadi-missionary.  His brother was a Roman Catholic priest. But to the astonishment of his fellow officers, he began to take instruction in Ahmadiyya.  For Bashir Orchard, after the war, there were no prospects, things were bad and rationing of the basic food, Britain was devastated by the german bombing and overall war effort, there was rubble everywhere, things were not looking good for him. Joining Ahmadiyya was a good situation, where he got a super-young desi- woman, employment and comfy life.

He was sent off as a missionary by the 2nd Khalifa, however, he didn’t pass Jamia or any other islamic school, the Khalifa waived all of that and made Bashir Ahmad Orchard a Murrabi nevertheless.  He was given an important young Ahmadi woman, in fact, Orchard became a brother-in-law of the Khalifa since he married the only sibling of the Khalifa’s first wife.

His preaching was very unsuccessful, his son even admitted as much, both in Scotland and Guyana.  He seems to have been specifically used as the token English-Ahmadi and was marketed as such.  He also claimed to be a recipient of divine revelations and true dreams.

When he died in 2002, the ROR wrote the story of his life and conversion.  Bashir Ahmad Orchard interviewed.  His children interviewed.

His wife and children
He was married to Qanita in 1948 in either Lahore or Rabwah, she died in 2011, Ahmadiyya sources claim that she was 81 at death, which makes her DOB as roughly 1930.  She was the granddaughter of Dr. Khalifa Rasheed-ud-din and was the niece of Umme Nasir, first wife of Khalifatul Masih II.  They had 5 children in total.  2 daughters and 3 sons.  This is interesting, since Dr. Khalifa Rasheed-ud-din only had 2 daughters, one was married off to Mirza Basheer-ud-did Mahmud Ahmad and the other daughter was married to a Shia-Muslim.  Bashir Ahmad Orchard seems to have married into that tree.  Nasira Rehman is a daughter of his. Abida Rehman is another.  The son of Bashir Ahmad Orchard did an interview a few years ago, his son’s name is Nisar Ahmad Orchard.  He has another son named Nasir Orchard. Essah Orchard is also interviewed, he is a grandson of Bashir Ahmad Orchard.

His grandchildren arrested 

1944
He fought in WW-2 in France, was evacuated from Dunkirk, and was commissioned as an officer for British-India as he fought on the Burma front.  By age 24, he was a drunkard, heavy gambler and heavy smoker.  He most likely indulged in prostitutes like most British officers as well.  In 1945 through Sergeant Abdul Rehman Sahib Dehlvi he was introduced to Ahmadiyya.

April 1945
Orchard tells us that he visited Qadian during the final stages of the official Burma campaign.  By April, the Japanese had been totally beaten in Burma, a few months later, atom bombs were dropped.  During his trip to Qadian, he met the Khalifa and saw Qadian in full detail.  He then returned to his unit and defeated the Japanese and returned to England on April 21st, 1946.

1946
While in England, he visits the famous Ahmadiyya Fazl Mosque, and meets Jalal ud Din Shams and inquires what it would take to become an Ahmadi murrabi.  He is then accepted by the Khalifa and prepares to spend the rest of his life as an Ahmadi missionary.

May 1st, 1947
Orchard arrives in Qadian and is greeted by the Khalifa and given a warm reception.  He was given an ahmadi woman and was married.

A quote:

This event has been described by Maulana Shams:

After his release from the army, when he arrived in England, he stayed for two days only at Bristol with his relatives and so, on the third day, he was at the mosque in London. During his conversation with me he expressed his willingness to live at the mosque and become a Muslim missionary. I explained to him the responsibilities of a missionary and the required qualifications for missionary work. Eventually I promised him to see to his case sympathetically for missionary work and would write to him this matter. He was a little bit upset from my reluctance in accepting his offer readily. After a few days he, however, dedicated his life for the service of Islam unconditionally like other waqifeen. I sent his application to Hazrat Amir-ul-Momineen, with my opinion that he might be a useful missionary. I asked him to come and stay with us and to begin the study of Islam. Hazrat Amir-ul-Momineen graciously accepted his Waqf and Mr. Orchard began to work with other missionaries.
Review Of Religions, June 1947

August 1947–the partition
Orchard claims to have remained in Qadian until the partition, he then recalls a story wherein he was part of a major convoy from Qadian to Lahore.  He claims that his future wife was also in this convoy, she was in one of the trucks and he was in another (see 23:32 mark).  Although he couldn’t remember, he seems to have spent time in Lahore and Rabwah up until 1949, wherein he was sent to Glasgow, Scotland by the Khalifa.

1948 in Lahore and Rabwah
He is married into a major Ahmadi family, he is now a brother-in-law with the Khalifa.

1949–1952
He seems to have been stationed at Glasgow, Scotland by the Khalifa.  His wife went with him.

1952 – 1966
The Khalifa orders Orchard to go the west Indies and preach Ahmadiyya, his young wife went with him.  He went to Guyana to be specific.  The Ahmadiyya Jamaat doesn’t seem to have grown much in this area and in these 14 years.  Nor has it grown much after.

1966–1983
He returned to Glasgow, Scotland.  Even though he was a paid-employee of the Mirza family, he was allowed to sell stamps and thus make money for his own welfare as well as other random expenses.  His wife and kids lived in the mission house in Glasgow.  Thus, Ahmadiyya INC saved money.

1983, he leaves Scotland for England
He moved to South England and continued working as a missionary, first in Oxford and later to London.

May 1984
He is on the editorial board of the Review of Religions, see the  May 1984 edition.  He remained as its editor until at least December of 1990.  He doesn’t seem to be very good at giving speeches or leading prayers, the Ahmadiyya jamaat thus uses Orchard in an area wherein he might be of service, editing the english language.  Most of his writings are general in nature, he doesn’t have the capacity or knowledge to write about in-depth islamic topics.  Its unclear if he edited the Moslem Sunrise, it doesn’t seem so, however, he did have some of his essays published in it.

1993
He performs Hajj.  A collection of his writings are transferred

2002
He passes away.

Links and Related Essays

https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/15485148.Man_jailed_after_knife_point_robbery_at_cash_machine_in_Sutton_High_Street/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ahmadiyya_Truth/comments/a0ib79/serious_tarbiyyat_issues_relative_of_national/

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR198405.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/baiturrahmanmosqueglasgow/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAaqarjYgoc

https://www.alislam.org/v/1798.html

https://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/printer-friendly-summary-2011-02-18.html

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11914666.bashir-ahmad-orchard/

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Loyal_Enemies.html?id=ggQqBgAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAaqarjYgoc

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR200207.pdf#page=46

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/11/18/who-is-rashid-ahmad-the-first-african-american-ahmadi-imam/

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Devotion-of-Life.pdf


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Who is Dr. Mirza Munawar Ahmad?

Intro
Mirza Munawar Ahmad (1918–1990) was the 3rd eldest child of Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad.  He was the first grandchild of MGA to become a qualified doctor.  Bashir Ahmad Orchard, the first ever Irish-Ahmadi-imam seems to have written his life story in the Review of Religions of December–1990 (see pages 39-40).  He married his first cousin, Mahmooda Begum, daughter of Nawab Muhammad Ali in 1940.

The copy and paste job
“”””The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam mourns the death of one of its illustrious sons, Dr Munawwar Ahmad, who passed away in Rabwah, Pakistan on the 19th September, 1990, at the age of seventy-two. He was the grandson of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah and Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement. He was also the third son of Hazrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad, second successor of the Promised messiah, and his spouse Umme Nasir.

Dr Munawwar Ahmad was born in Qadian, India, on the 1st of February, 1918.  In 1940 he married Mahmooda Begum, daughter of Nawab Muhammad Ali. He studied medicine at the King Edward Medical College, Lahore and had the distinction of being the first doctor in the family of the Promised Messiah. After graduation he was medical demonstrator at Glansay Medical College, Amritsar, and from 1945-1947 he worked at the Nur Hospital, Qadian. Later, after the partition of the Indian sub-continent, he played a large part in building the Fazl-e-Omer Hospital in Rabwah, Pakistan, and was its chief medical officer from 1955-1983.  Now the post is held by his son, Dr. Mubashar Ahmad.

Dr Munawwar Ahmad was particularly concerned for the medical care of the poor and he organised a system for providing them with free treatment and medicine at the hospital. He always prayed for his patients and considered that trusting in medicine alone was tantamount to the setting up of an equal with God. He was the personal physician to both the second and third successors of the Promised Messiah, Hazrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad and Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad respectively.  In 1955 He accompanied Hazrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad to Europe where he went for treatment following a dastardly attack on his life when he received a deep and dangerous stab wound in the neck.

As I have mentioned he was a very prayerful person and was regular in attending congregational prayers in the mosque. He did not allow climatic and weather conditions to prevent him from going to the mosque. He would offer long prayers with full and earnest attention. He was also very loyal, respectful and obedient to the Khalifa of the time.

In addition to his medical duties which required much of his time and attention, he was also engaged in other activities of the Community. He was the Vice-President of the Central Khuddamul Ahmadiyya Association which attended to the spiritual and all round training of the male members of the Community between the ages of fifteen and forty. He held this office from 1950-1956. Later he became the Vice-President of the Central Ansarullah Association which attends to similar needs for male members over the age of forty. He also served on various other committees.

I first had the pleasure of meeting him in one of the narrow thoroughfares of Qadian during one of my early visits to that holy place either in 1945 or 1946. At that time I was unaware who he was nor do I remember what words may have passed between us. What I do remember, however, was the bright and smiling countenance with which he greeted me and which was always a permanent feature in his appearance.  The last time I met him was at his home in Rabwah, Pakistan, when my wife and I paid him a surprise visit during our short ten day stay there in 1989. He welcomed us in a most gracious, cheerful and amiable manner. He was suffering from several ailments which he nobly concealed under cover of his pleasant and happy demeanour.

Dr Munawwar Ahmad has progeny of four sons and one daughter, Amatul Hayee, who is married to Dr Hamidullah Khan of Batley, Yorkshire, U.K. In addition he has been blessed with fourteen grand children. May God bless and elevate his soul in paradise. Amin. “”””

In 1961, he diagnosed his father and had attended to him once he was stabbed
In 1954, the Khalifa was stabbed, his son attended to him and later on told the world:

“””Nervous prostrations like the loss of memory, and emotional outbursts (like at the mention of holy names, places and events), are more or less prevalent. Some days the symptoms dwindle, but again they intensify : and so the trouble goes on. Because of remaining in prostrate position, there is tension followed by numbness in the leg muscles. All the possible efforts to make his holiness walk a litter, have failed all along…..”

Diagnosis by Mirza Munawar Ahmad (son of Mahmud Ahmad).

Links and related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/23/mirza-basheer-uddin-mahmud-ahmad-had-20-children-with-7-wives/

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/pdf-downloads/RR199012.pdf#page=41

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/06/30/who-is-nawab-muhammad-ali-khan-a-chief-of-malerkotla-son-in-law-of-mirza-ghulam-ahmad/

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