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Intro
This entire entry was taken from the islam_Ahmadiyya reddit forum. 
Razi claims to have read all of the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. But, it clearly shows that he has not. Because, whenever he is caught lying by the Sunnis with proof from the writings of MGA, Razi is forced to divert attention and throw whatever tantrum he has just to avoid overtly losing. He also been caught making up texts in ahadith to fit the Ahmadi narrative. Even when he posts from scholars, he is caught in no time and shown that he had twisted the meanings of what is actually said. In fact, he has even been caught twisting the Arabic of the Quran. Razi is really a dishonest person.

At this point, it is clear he is not fit for these type of interactions. In fact, Dr Yahya has also turned out to be a very vicious and vile person. The way he is attacking the Sunnis is very abhorrent. As Ahmadis, we were taught that non-Ahmadi Muslims were just Mullahs and whatnot. However, when you actually follow these debates, Ahmadis are the embodiment of rude and mannerless fools.

I am very impressed by the way Sunnis are debating Ahmadis. They come with proofs and Ahmadis literally have no answers. Then, Ahmadis accuse the Sunnis that their platform is not fair. I mean, this is the only consolation they have given themselves.

Dr Yahya showed a very despicable side of himself, and by extension of the whole Ahmadi community, since he was endorsed to represent the Jama’at. I do not want to go into the details of what he did. But, let’s put it this way: for some reason, just like MGA, Ahmadis like to attack the mothers of people when they start losing, instead of having decent intellectual discussions. This is what happens when you lose the debate, you start cursing and accusing people of indecency. If you have been following the streams very carefully, you would know what I am talking about.

Razi said he would never come back after he was given a thorough intellectual beating. But, his ego would not let him to accept defeat. So, he showed up again last stream and they literally took Razi’s own reference from the historian Halabi and showed that if Razi still stood by his reference that he would have to literally accept that Ahmadiyyat was wrong. Either Razi disown his reference or he leaves Ahmadiyyat. Razi ended up disowning his own reference. That proved that Razi does not read or even understand his own references. He just presents “evidence” just to make it seem that he has presented a rebuttal. That was a clear defeat for Razi.

Raheel showed a side of himself that shocked everyone last stream. He became so aggressive and insufferable that it led everyone to genuinely conclude that all Ahmadis put up a facade of “decency” but that in reality they are just snakes. Raheel became so rude and cowardly. Everyone was shocked. Either he had a mental breakdown or his true colours came out. This is what happens when you start losing.

Ahmadis are clearly losing. Also, barely any Ahmadis even comment in the livechats anymore. They have been silenced. The few that do come on, they are asked to go live and present their case. The one’s that do join the stream are sent packing in no time. Then, they even stop commenting in the livechats after being defeated by the Sunnis on the actual stream.

When it comes to an actual academic proof, it’s over for Ahmadis. Of course, emotions are a different beast altogether, so I don’t see Ahmadis leaving Ahmadiyyat anytime soon. In due time, once the Kool-Aid wears off, they will drift away.

Bro ahmadiyya has been ripped open and shown to the world in the English language. Mirzas books are open and it’s full of contradictions and lies. Your top scholars are a bunch of kids. The jamaat is becoming fully exposed and it will continue.

Your people poked a bear by trying to come down to speakers corner those months ago. Ahmadiyya does not stand the test of scrutiny, it was dangerous for you guys to think you could step there. Now you are all retreating back into your bubbles because the evidence is all out to see now.

Unfortunately, Razi is just not willing to give up, despite being dealt one blow after another. It is not even a matter of honour for Razi, it is just a pure ego trip. At this point he is just throwing everything at Adnan except the kitchen sink in hopes that something will knock Adnan out. I would not be surprised if he decided to even throw the kitchen sink at some point, and completely lose his mind with foul language and abusive behaviour, just as Dr Yahya and Raheel have.

The topics are so innumerable. This is a huge missed opportunity by Ahmadis to deal with these topics once and for all. Unfortunately, the Ahmadis have avoided answering practically anything directly in the last seven months. So, you don’t get a good academic view of the Ahmadi position. What you get is one allegation after another from the Sunni side against Ahmadiyyat declaring that the alleged positions held by Ahmadis on those allegations are unfounded within the Islamic discourse. But, because Ahmadis fail to answer directly, it makes it seem as if they have conceded, and are hiding a dubious philosophy. It genuinely makes Ahmadis look as if they are only Muslims on the surface.

Honestly, the Jama’at is doing a horrible mistake by allowing Razi to answer these topics. It is way above his pay grade. Also, Razi is not a scholar. Razi just answers for the purpose of shutting down the another person without understanding that discourse itself requires patience, contemplation and deliberation. Razi has been given a hammer by the Jama’at and everything he sees is a nail. This is juvenile. He does not even think before he attacks, because he thinks everything is an attack and must be dealt with polemically. In most cases, Sunnis actually want to know what Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is trying to say. But, when they don’t get an answer, they rely on their own conclusions. And, rightly so.

If the Jama’at actually sent a proper scholar to the Sunnis, the discussions would actually help people understand Ahmadiyyat in an academic and scholarly fashion and remove a lot of misunderstandings. It would at least remove such titles as “Qadiani.” To be honest, some of the allegations that Sunni present, unbeknownst to them, are very solid points by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Unfortunately, when you have a kid like Razi who has zero life experiences answering a high level of philosophical arguments, and then failing at it, it makes Mirza Ghulam Ahmad look bad. At the expense of looking good for a moment, Ahmadis are throwing their founder under the bus and actually making a mockery of their founder and his writings.

Razi is the wrong person to deal with the Sunnis, because can’t accept that he has been handed one academic blow after another. This the problem. The Jama’at thinks that Razi is helping the Jama’at get exposure. It seems that this is all that they care about. As if it is some marketing endeavour. What they don’t understand is that aside for Ahmadis, other people are actually listen carefully and attentively to the points being made and actually want to hear the Ahmadi side. Ahmadis think that as long as Razi gives an answer, any answer, that the job has been done and is holding the fort. They don’t understand that by Razi not answering, he is leaving a cliffhanger, and after seven months, it is slowly becoming apparent that Ahmadis do not have answers and that the allegation against Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are probably founded. As a result, the Sunni side is gaining a lot of sympathy, even from Ahmadis, and it is actually making people think that Ahmadis have been lying to their people for over a century by painting the Sunnis as evil “mullahs.” More and more Ahmadis are coming out genuinely puzzled by the behaviour of Razi & Co.

By Ahmadis failing to answer, it is actually vindicating and exonerating the Sunnis from all the false accusations levelled against them over the course of the life of Ahmadiyyat. It actually makes the Sunnis look good, that they were onto something from the beginning, and that they were simply exposing a fraud in the making.

All of these conclusions in favour of the Sunnis would be avoided if Razi & Co. simply answered directly without diversions. But, alas, what can you expect from a bunch of murabbiyan who go to Jamia and are only taught polemics and nothing more!

In conclusion, either Ahmadis do not have any answers or they do not have scholars. The default thought is that Ahmadis do not have any answers. As more and more time passes, people are developing more and more hatred for Ahmadiyyat and Ahmadis because of the mannerless behaviour of the Ahmadis appearing on the streams. Without hesitation, I can honestly say that Razi and Dr Yahya have properly tainted the image of Ahmadiyyat. But, Ahmadis are none the wiser. They think they still have the upper hand. Ahmadis are just insufferable.

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Links and Related Essay’s

Razi vs Non Ahmadi Debates : r/islam_ahmadiyya (reddit.com)

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