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Batalvi’s children were brought to Qadian by force

Intro
Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi was a great friend of MGA and then later became a major enemy.  However, after MGA died, Batalvi seemed to have buried the hatchet, he was allowed to write an article in the ROR in 1910.  Lahori-Ahmadis sources tell us that it was Dr. Mirza Yacub Bag who found 1 son of Batalvi and brought him to Qadian for free food and shelter (See Mujadid e Azim, online abridged version, see page 798).  We have conflicting stories however, the Qadiani’s tell us that Batalvi sent his children, whereas lahori-Ahmadi sources tell otherwise.

By 2010
Ahmadiyya leadership has kept in contact with some grandson’s of Batalvi and seem to have bribed them into accepting Ahmadiyya.  They claim to be the off spring of Shaikh Saeed Ahmad, who was a son of Batalvi.

The reference  

page 368 footnote

“Muhammad Husain had two wives and seven sons and three daughters. He himself says that they had all turned out to be thoroughly wicked and irreligious. They severed all connection with their father and some of them even conspired to kill him (Isha‘atus Sunnah, Vol. 22 No. 8, pp. 225, 226). In 1910 Muhammad Husain complained of his children’s wickedness to the Editor of Al-Hakam Qadian, who advised him to send the two younger ones to the Qadian school. He accepted this advice and sent them to Qadian.

When his friends came to know of it he had to write in defence in the Ahl-e- Hadith, Amritsar, dated 25-2-1910 that the boys were well looked after and that their religious beliefs were not being interfered with. But the enemies of MGA could not bear it, so they pressed Muhammad Husain to get his sons out of Qadian. At last he yielded and sent them to Rupar where they drifted into ways of profligacy. On December 1, 1912, the two boys were brought to the Anjuman Ahmadiyya, Lucknow, in a miserable state. There was a complaint and the matter came to the notice of the police and the court. The Ahmadis of Lucknow tried to wean them from their wicked way of life but with no success.

Muhammad Husain died a miserable death in the beginning of 1920 at Batala. (See Batalvi ka Anjam by Mir Qasim Ali, 1931) ” (Also see Dard).

Batalvi’s article in the ROR
49/480 of the pdf or see page 46 thru 78.

http://www.aaiil.org/text/articles/revi … sh1910.pdf

Batalvi’s children became Ahmadi’s and then left Ahmadiyya, per Ahmadiyya sources only
See Tadhkirah, 2009 online edition, pages 949-950

Note by Hadrat Maulana Jalal-ud-Din Shamsra: Hadrat Amirul- Mo’minin Khalifatul Masih IIaba says: I believe that one of the interpretations is the following. Two sons of Maulavi Muhammad
Husain Batalvi came to Qadian, studied in the seminary school, and took a pledge of my allegiance. Later, they showed some weakness, but it was a moral problem, not a problem of religious belief…. Thus the prophecy of the Promised Messiahas was fulfilled in my person and also fulfilled was the dream that I saw about the wrestling match which had informed me that ultimately Maulavi Muhammad Husain would join us.
[al-Fadl, vol. 32, no. 110, May 12, 1944 p. 2]

Scan from Mujadid e Azim

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Arabic is not the mother of all languages–contrary to MGA and his team’s assertions

Intro
Along with homeopathy, a much lesser-known but just as embarrassing, pseudo-scientific (pseudo-scientific being a polite way of saying ‘complete and utter bullshit’) aspect of Ahmadi theology is the claim by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad that Arabic is the mother of all languages. He made this claim in his book Minan-ur-Rahman, and you can find a summaryof these claims on the jamaat’s official website.  Hani Tahir has exposed this entire issue herein: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Hani+Tahir+arabic

The claims are:

  • all languages come from Arabic
  • Arabic essentially contains the building blocks of human language, and is unique well-designed to do so
  • Arabic has unique characteristics that other languages don’t, and other languages are languages insofar as they resemble Arabic

I’m not going to bother addressing this claim because it’s so ridiculous and so at odds with modern scholarship, if not contemporary scholarship, that it doesn’t actually need refutation. I’ll just summarize it by saying that the jamaat has spent a lot of time and effort in connecting different languages to Arabic, which is to say that it spent a lot of time finding false cognates (words that sound the same in two languages, but actually have no connection) in multiple languages and otherwise jamming a lot of pieces of a puzzle together to make them fit, though the image that results isn’t really an image at all.

I would like to focus on the role this played in me leaving Ahmadiyyat, the way the jamaat deals with this claim and the way it exposes Ahmadiyyat as a fundamentally nineteenth-century ideology operating in the twenty-first century on the basis of inertia.

My professional and academic background leads me to have proficiency in a couple of foreign languages not spoken commonly in the Muslim world and not commonly spoken by Ahmadis. Based on this, I’ve had an interest in languages for a long time, and I was in my early 20s when I first heard of this claim from someone in my AMSA as another AMSA had organized an event on this topic (or was about to).

The idea genuinely seemed intriguing, though I was very skeptical, and this was around the time that I thought that the jamaat had brilliant ideas and general intellectual purchase around its often outlandish claims. I got into a debate with a few people and read a few discussions of this online and in print from jamaat sources, and the result was, as was the case with the jamaat’s opposition to gay marriage, that it was unsubstantiated and nowhere near as intellectual as I had hoped. In fact, the process smacked of pseudoscience, not unlike defenses of homeopathy or the convoluted way in which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is both a prophet but not really a prophet, or seal of the prophets actually is a prophecy about elite military units. This isn’t something that people discuss often, but it stuck in my mind because, like homeopathy, it was one of those things where the jamaat is clearly, falsifiably wrong about a real-world matter.

The jamaat likes promoting this claim because it gets attention, which I think they like, along with claims about Jesus being in India (technically possible, but why not Jesus in upstate New York?). If you get into it, depending on the person you talk to, you’ll find that they just double down on their claims and tell you that the problem is with you, not Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, or they’ll define their way out of the problem, claiming that the Arabic that was the mother of all languages isn’t at all like the Arabic that’s spoken now. This, of course, is like saying that the sky is blue at night and then defining blue to be the colour of sadness, and then saying that what could be sadder than black, since it’s what we wear at funerals, so the sky is in fact blue at night.

If you read the original book, and I don’t recommend it because it’s so poorly written and formatted, you’ll find that the idea was not just to answer the question about a proto-human language, but to set out and prove the superiority of Islam by proving the superiority of the language in which its holy book is written. This type of adversarial world view is endemic to Ahmadiyya as an exercise in repairing egos wounded by the spread of aggressive, racialist ideologies and colonialism in the nineteenth century. Ahmadiyyat has a lot in common with messianic religious movements that emerged around this time, of which the Mormons, Adventists, Bahai and Jehovahs Witnesses are the most similar for time, beliefs, size and organization, as well as number of quirky beliefs.

The adversarial view, where each country and people have a religion, and each of them are out to compete for numbers, betrays itself in the way Ahmadis organize large events and also interfaith events. This may be changing in the last decade, but Ahmadi jalsas are essentially a continuation of the large conferences new religious movements would hold in India and elsewhere, when people genuinely enjoyed debating religion and would spend hours listening to someone pontificate.

You see it in interfaith events that are explicitly designed to prove the superiority of Islam, like an intersports seminar organized around “Should all sports be played with black and white spherical objects?” or a nutrition seminar on the topic of “why is kale the best superfood?”. At these events, each team has the right to present and, because Ahmadis want to read from the Quran and sing a nazam, every other team also has to do the equivalent, regardless of whether or not they do this at their events.

The idea of deciding what exactly it is that you’re going to prove in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is both sad and dangerous. Ahmadis can fudge, in the presence of outsiders and aggressive questioning, but never internally to mainstream members, on where they stand with homeopathy, but it’s hard to fudge with something so ridiculous and so easily falsifiable as the idea of every language somehow coming from Arabic. This is something that I couldn’t get out of my mind and if you’re a thoughtful Ahmadi, you need to ask yourself why you so revere someone who was so arrogant about his divinity and yet so wrong.

MGA and his team mixed Sauternes Wine with his foods and medicines at Qadian

Intro
MGA and his team dabbled with drugs at Qadian. MGA and his team loved opium, wine and other foods all mixed up, unfortunately they prayed their salaat in this condition, which is haraam. MGA’s wife, (Nusrat Jehan) started taking tonic wine immediately after Mirza Mubarak Ahmad was born in 1899. This is the famous case of MGA ordering tonic wine from Plommers shop in Lahore. In that same era, Mirza Mubarak Ahmad was also given port wine, since he was sick. MGA also kept Saturnes wine. MGA and Noorudin would take wine and opium as needed, it was not a big deal. they gave it out like candy. MGA took coco wine also and Scottish Emulsion. There is another entry from Seeratul Mahdi wherein MGA was giving out alcohol also.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad used poison, opium and wine in his medicines too. This was all very normal for life at Qadian. Opium was another drug in heavy circulation at Qadian, and MGA never admitted to its usage, nor did MGA ever admit to having wine in his house.
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Seertul mahdi Quotation 929


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Ahmadi teachers at the Talim ul Islam High School were corrupt, they would pass Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad, even when he failed

Intro
Ahmadiyya is a total fraud.  MGA and his family were all dummies and idiots who had no academic ability at all.  MGA’s precious “promised-son” aka Musleh Maud was a bad child, he never did anything good in his whole life, he lived the life of the son of a prophet, and indulged in women, men, drugs and everything Haraam.  In this specific reference, we have found Ahmadi-Mullahs admitting that they falsified records and passed Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad even when he failed in school.  He was a student at the newly built Talim ul Islam School at Qadian, which was shut down by 1904 and never officially re-started until 1947, in Lahore.   It should be understood that Middle = eighth class age would be, about 13-14 years. Next level in pakistan, after 2 years – is interence = age of 15-16 years. another 2 years of study = FA. And another 2 years of study =BA.  Furthermore, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad had a math teacher named Master Faqeerullah Sahib. Master Faqeerullah Sahib made a complaint about Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad to MGA, saying, “‘He remains absent from school and only comes occasionally.’””” However, when MGA heard this, he said to Master Sahib, ‘It is very kind of you that you show concern for him, however I am very pleased to learn that he occasionally attends because according to me, his health is not good enough for him to study at all.’ Following this, MGA smiled and said, ‘We are not teaching him mathematics in the hope of him opening a local shop. It makes no difference whether he learns mathematics or not.’ He then said ‘What level of mathematics did the Holy Prophetsa and his Companions study? It is good if he attends school, but if he does not, he should not be forced.’

The story

Alfazal 2 October 1935

“””At the occasion of Nikah of Mirza Mahmood to Maryam Sidiqa daughter of Mir Mohammed Ismaeel(brother of nusrat) Mufti M Sadiq announces the Nikah and it is a long one but on page 2 Mufti sadiq says (Masih Maood instructed me to learn Ibrani Language. There was written in sacred books of Ibrani, that first Masih did not marry (Hazrat eisa AS) but 2nd masih will marry and will have siblings, and his son will be his successor. Since that time i knew that you shall be Khalifa. People who rejected your khilafat are very unfortunate. Today blessings of Khilafat are appearing like the sun. Today, for the propagation of Islam, the missionaries are spread in all the countries, and the work is done in such a way, Islamic history of thousand years cannot show that example. All this is being achieved with the blessing of that one pure soul (mirza ghulam). Allah granted everything to you himself. Hazrat Masih was not student of any one. The same away you (mirza mahmood) were not student of any teacher. There is not doubt that you used to go to school, and you were my (mufti sadiq) student too, I was the headmaster in those days or moulvi sher Ali was the headmaster (here mufti sadiq is not sure who was the head master) you used to come to school those days, but you would FAIL every year but we used to promote you to the next year because you were the son of hazrat masih maood. You took an exam of Middle and i went with you, but you fail, then you took an exam of interenc and again you failed”””

The scans

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Musleh-e-Maud: The Prophecy and its Fulfillment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_Hospital

Click to access talimul.pdf

http://alhafeez.org/rashid/fatwa27.html

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/03/05/in-1935-the-ahmadiyya-khalifa-lashed-out-at-jamia-students-and-even-called-them-pigs/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/01/14/who-is-syed-muhammad-hussain-batalvi-1840-1920/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/30/ahmadi-teachers-at-the-talim-ul-islam-high-school-were-corrupt-they-would-pass-mirza-basheer-uddin-mahmud-ahmad-even-when-he-failed/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/13/ahmadiyya-missionaries-are-sent-to-russia-illegally/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/09/fast-times-at-qadian-high-adultery-and-immorality-of-mahmud-ahmad-and-company/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/06/30/the-british-govt-donated-25000-rupees-for-the-talim-ul-islam-high-school-in-qadian-in-1909/

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An Ahmadi girl is caught lying about persecution in Toronto, Canada—Khawla Noman

Intro
Ahmadi’s are no different then the average Desi person.  Ahmadi’s have criminals, murderers, fraudsters, liars and etc etc etc, hence, there is no purpose in joining AhmadiyyaAhmadiyya INC doesn’t change people from their habits, its a family business which only cares about laundering more and more money overseas.  In today’s story, we report that a young Ahmadi girl from Toronto has been found lying about getting her Hijaab ripped off of her head or some man cutting her Hijaab, the entire story sounded strange from the get go.  The original story is in French, however, just click on translate.  We feel sad about this young girls decision to lie, what most likely happened is that her parents were forcing her to do Hijaab, and that forcing caused this girl to lie.  This incident proves that most western-born Ahmadi’s hate Ahmadiyya and only do it out of respect for their parents.

The story
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/faits-divers/201801/15/01-5150049-lattaque-aux-ciseaux-contre-une-ecoliere-voilee-na-pas-eu-lieu-dit-la-police.php

An english translation of the story
Toronto police said Monday that the story that a man scissored the 11-year-old Muslim headscarf last week was unfounded.

The Toronto Police Service investigated what was then considered a hate crime: it now concludes that the allegations were unfounded, and announces that its investigation is now closed. No charges will be brought against the girl.

The case was touring the country on Friday, and even Prime Ministers Justin Trudeau and Kathleen Wynne condemned the move.

“We conducted our investigation, gathered a significant amount of evidence, and we conclude that what has been told has not happened,” said police spokesman Mark Pugash on Monday.

The young Khawlah Noman said last week that on her way to school with her younger brother, a man who was following them had lowered the hood of his coat and started cutting the bottom of his hijab. She recounted that the attacker had fled, but returned a little later and resumed his ride. The girl claimed that the abuser had finally smiled at him before fleeing.

Investigators have not been able to determine how this whole thing has gone so far, but Mr. Pugash does not believe it’s up to the police now to find out. According to him, it is “very rare” for citizens to make false allegations of this kind, but he hopes that this incident will not discourage future denunciations.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at Canada also expressed the same sentiments, while admitting that such incidents could provoke hostile reactions to Muslims. “Even though this incident did not really happen, let’s remember that a few years ago, a Muslim mother was brutally beaten in Toronto while driving her children to school,” she said. Safwan Choudhry, spokesperson of the association.

Following this alleged assault in 2015, police reported that the woman was beaten and her cell phone stolen by two men before she could find shelter at the school.

Relief

Several of those who had denounced the aggression last week sighed with relief on Monday. Prime Minister Trudeau did not want to comment specifically on the results of the police investigation, but he felt that there was nevertheless a strong trend towards hate crimes against religious minorities, particularly against women, and that this phenomenon was to be fought.

“We need to address this issue in a very, very, very serious way, and the trends we are observing (…) are one of the forerunners of intolerance,” he said. “We are a country that protects freedom of religion, freedom of expression, the right to go to school without living in fear or intimidation – that’s part of us,” he said. .

“I add my voice to those Ontarians who are grateful and relieved to learn that this aggression has not taken place,” Prime Minister Wynne commented on Monday, thanking the police for their work.

Toronto Mayor John Tory defended the speed of his reaction last Friday. He promised to speak loud and clear “whenever there are reports or allegations of hate or intolerance in our city”.

“It’s nice to hear that it did not really happen,” he said in a statement. We must all remain vigilant in the fight against hatred, racism, sectarianism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, to ensure that our city remains an inclusive space. ”

A spokesman for the Toronto Board of Education also said Monday that the assault did not take place. The Council offered help and support to the alleged victim, his family and other students.

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Ahmadi’s are totally brainwashed by their clerics, to the point that they never even double check sources

Intro
Per MGA, the quran uses harsh words towards stupid people. So why do Ahmadi’s cry on social media when we call them stupid? It’s very ironic. Nonetheless, Ahmadi’s classically don’t even acknowledge our counter-arguments on a variety of issues. The problem here is that Ahmadi’s have been taught to be stubborn and never open minded. Its a desi-type problem, since they are raised in a world where critical thinking is never used. We have already responded to this one-liner here: https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/ahmadis-are-academically-dishonest-and-on-purpose/

I recently came across yet another brainwashed-idiot of an Ahmadi from Rabwah. He didn’t know about Sir Syed and how Sir Syed invented the argument that Esa (As) was dead and never returning. He won’t admit to anything…he tried to disagree later on, however, he forget that even Ahmadiyya literature tells us that Sir Syed influenced Noorudin and Abdul Karim.  Nonetheless, he goes on to present some other references in terms of the end of prophethood.  He quotes from B.A. Rafiq’s book on Ahmadiyya, which can be found here: https://www.alislam.org/library/book/truth-about-ahmadiyyat/finality-of-prophethood/.  However, he doesn’t know that BA Rafiq took this from Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad and his line of argumentation after the split.
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Hazrat Imam Muhammad Tahir has stated in his book, Majmaul Bihar:

“””The saying of Hazrat Ayesha that Muslims should call the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, Khataman Nabiyyeen, but should not say that there would be no prophet after him, had reference to the advent of the Promised Messiah. The direction given by Hazrat Ayesha is not in contradiction with the hadees: ‘There will be no prophet after me’; for the meaning of the Holy Prophet was that there would be no prophet after him who would abrogate his law.”””
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But Ahmadi’s purposely overlook the context

Who is Muhammad Tahir and what is this book Majmaul Bihar?  Why have’t Ahmadi’s went back and researched all of this? The answer…stupidity. What were the full beliefs of Muhammad Tahir? What did he write in terms of 33:40?  4:69?  4:157–159?

Will Ahmadi’s ever answer these questions?
Before we proceed, we need answers to these questions.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________We have responded in the past here

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/03/ahmadis-lie-about-the-aisha-hadith-in-terms-of-the-end-of-prophets/
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Fakhar-ud-Din Multani on his death-bed

Intro
Read the full story here, https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/new-data-on-the-murder-of-fakhar-ud-din-multani/.

The picture

 

Links and Related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/08/07/in-1937-was-the-mirza-family-was-suffering-the-divine-the-wrath-of-their-false-claims/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/25/bashir-ahmad-misri-murdered-multani-were-correct-about-mirza-mahmud-in-1937-viceroy-papers/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/29/mazhar-multani-son-of-fakhar-uddin-multani-wrote-3-books-vs-ahmadiyya/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/fakhar-ud-din-multani-on-his-death-bed/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/new-data-on-the-murder-of-fakhar-ud-din-multani/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/24/who-is-fakhuruddin-multani/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/10/20/the-first-time-a-qadiani-ahmadi-murdered-a-muslim-for-criticizing-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-1930/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/03/abdul-sami-zafar-tells-the-inside-story-on-the-may-29th-1974-rabwah-train-attacks/

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New data on the murder of Fakhar-ud-din Multani



Intro

Dear readers, we have found some new data on the murder of the Ex-Ahmadi, Fakhar-ud-din Multani, which happened in 1937, in broad daylight in Qadian.  We have a document which is the official judgement from the Lahore high court, wherein an Ahmadi was punished with the death penalty.  This breaks the Ahmadi argument that Qasim Rashid keeps making that “not a single act of terror” by any Ahmadi.  This document proves that the Khalifa radicalized Ahmadi’s to kill any people who opposed the Mirza family Khilafat.

The PDF file
Judgement-of-the-High-Court-Lahore-Murder-of-Fakharuddin-Multani

Links and Related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/08/07/in-1937-was-the-mirza-family-was-suffering-the-divine-the-wrath-of-their-false-claims/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/25/bashir-ahmad-misri-murdered-multani-were-correct-about-mirza-mahmud-in-1937-viceroy-papers/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/29/mazhar-multani-son-of-fakhar-uddin-multani-wrote-3-books-vs-ahmadiyya/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/fakhar-ud-din-multani-on-his-death-bed/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/new-data-on-the-murder-of-fakhar-ud-din-multani/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/24/who-is-fakhuruddin-multani/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/10/20/the-first-time-a-qadiani-ahmadi-murdered-a-muslim-for-criticizing-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-1930/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/03/abdul-sami-zafar-tells-the-inside-story-on-the-may-29th-1974-rabwah-train-attacks/

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https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/08/08/aziz-ahmad-qadiani-was-an-ahmadi-and-a-murderer-but-the-khalifa-still-led-his-funeral-prayer/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/24/who-is-bashir-ahmad-misri/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/03/25/fakhar-ud-din-multani-on-his-death-bed/

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Ahmadi’s are academically dishonest, and on purpose—The Famous Ahmadi ONE LINER reference game

Intro
Ahmadi’s are trained to lie.  Its not secret, and they don’t double check their own mullahs.  In this entry, we wanted to copy and paste some common references that Ahmadi’s twist.

The data

حدیث لا نبی بعدی اور بزرگان امت : The Famous Qadiani ONE LINER reference game

whenever you debate with the ordinary ahmadi lad; he will take you rather push you into this section, then he will start throwing references like machine gun.. and most common muslims lads just drop their jaws.. :shock:

But did you know that all these refernces are ONE LINERS.. they just quote one line that suits them and ignore rather hide the very next sentence that explains the context??

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Let me show you how:

Hadith e Aysha RA

Ahmadi reference
زوجہ رسول ﷺ حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا
فرماتی ہیں

لوگو ! آنحضرت ﷺ کو خاتم النبیین تو کہو مگر ہر گز یہ نہ کہو کہ آپ ﷺ کے بعد کوئی نبی نہیں آئے گا ۔

(تفسیر الدرالمنثور جلد ۵ صفحہ ۲۰۴)

Complete Reference
The Ahmadis quote the narration that seems to support their beliefs and creates a
divide. However, what they conveniently
fail to report is the hadith immediately below in Al-Dur Al-Mansur, which explains the narration of Aisha.It is as follows:
وأخرج ابن أبي شيبة عن الشعبي رضي الله عنه قال: قال رجل عند المغيرة بن أبي شعبة صلى الله على محمد خاتم الأنبياء لا نبي بعده فقال المغيرة: حسبك إذا قلت خاتم الأنبياء، فإنا كنا نحدث أن عيسى عليه السلام خارج، فإن هو خرج فقد كان قبله وبعده.

Ibn Abi Shaybah reported that Al-Sha’abi said, “A man at [the company of] Al-
Mughirah ibn Abi Shu’ubah said, ‘May Allah bless Muhammad, the seal of the prophets;
there is no prophet after him.’ So Al-Mughirah said, ‘It is enough for you to say ‘the seal of the prophets’, for we were being told that ‘Isa will be appearing. So, when he
appears, he [‘Isa] would be before him and after him’.”

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The very next hadith narrated by same narrator explains Aysha RA statement. and its perfectly correlates the muslim view

Online access:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMa … nguageId=1

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Hazrat Ibn e Qateeba

Ahamdiyya view
قتیبہ
فرماتے ہیں

حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کا یہ قول آنحضرت ﷺ کے فرمان ’لانبی بعدی‘ کے مخالف نہیں کیونکہ حضور ﷺ کا مقصد اس فرمان سے یہ ہے کہ میرے بعد کوئی ایسا نبی نہیں جو میری شریعت کو منسوخ کرنے والا ہو ۔

(تاویل مختلف الاحادیث صفحہ ۲۳۶)

Complete Reference

وأما قول عائشة – رضي الله عنها – قولوا لرسول الله – صلى الله عليه وسلم – خاتم الأنبياء ولا تقولوا لا نبي بعده فإنها تذهب إلى نزول عيسى – عليه السلام – وليس هذا من قولها ناقضا لقول النبي – صلى الله عليه وسلم – لا نبي بعدي لأنه أراد لا نبي بعدي ، ينسخ ما جئت به كما كانت الأنبياء – صلى الله عليهم وسلم – تبعث بالنسخ ، وأرادت هي : لا تقولوا إن المسيح لا ينزل بعده .

The statement is in regard to ISA AS, And this statement does not contradict the statement of Holy Prophet PBUH : NO PROPHET AFTER ME. As he said meant that No Prophet will come after me and Aisha RA said ”
DONT SAY THAT (EVEN) ISA AS WILL NOT COME AFTER HIM”

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تاویل مختلف الاحادیث can be accessed online
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/disp … o=83&ID=49

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Hazrat Mohi Ud Din Ibn e Arabi

AHMADIYYA REFERENCE

حضرت محی الدین ابن عربی فرماتے ہیں

قول رسول کہ رسالت اور نبوت منقطع ہوگئی ہے ۔ میرے بعد نہ کوئی رسول ہے نہ کوئی نبی ، سے مراد یہ ہے کہ اب ایسا نبی نہیں ہوگا جو میری شریعت کے مخالف شریعت پر ہو ۔ بلکہ جب کبھی کوئی نبی ہوگا تو وہ میری شریعت کے حکم کے ماتحت ہوگا۔
(فتوحات مکیہ جلد ۲ صفحہ ۳)

Complete Reference

Just next to above statement

“This is not against his position in prophethood and not against ISA AS, the Nabi and the Prophet, and not against as He will will come down in the last era and he will not follow his order but our shari’a, and not the shari’at he brought to Bani Israel with which he already came.”

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Imam Tahir Gujrati

Ahamdi Narration

محدث امت امام محمد طاہر گجراتی
فرماتے ہیں

حضرت عائشہ رضی اللّٰہ عنہا کا یہ قول ’لانبی بعدی‘ کے منافی نہیں کیونکہ آنحضرت ﷺ کی مراد یہ ہے کہ ایسا نبی نہیں ہوگا جو آپ ﷺ کی شریعت کو منسوخ کرے ۔
(تکملہ مجمع البحار صفحہ ۸۵)

Complete Reference

Imam added

“قُولُوْا: خَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ، وَلاَتَقُوْلُوْا:لاَنَبِيَّ بَعْدِیْ”

(مصنف ابن ابی شیبہ:۹/۲۱۰ ھٰذَا نَاظِرٌ إِلیٰ نُزُوْلِ عِیْسَیٰ”

“this is narrated in context to coming of ISA.”

He further commented in meanings of term خَاتَمُ in his book:
“فنظرت الى خاتم النبوة بكسرا لتاءاى فاعل الختم وهو الاتمام و بفتحا بمعنى الطابع اى شي یدل على انه لا نبى بعده ”

(If you look at the KHATAM Un Nabuwat with KASARAH under Taa it means ” فاعل” that is meant a as الاتمام AL-ATMAAM or completion and FATAH means it to indicate that there is no prophet after him)

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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 09:00

SHAH WALI ULLAH حضرت شاہ ولی اللہ محدث

Ahmadiyya reference

The LAST of Prophets AS means that there can not be a reformer after him that can bring new Shar’ia.
“Tafheemat Ul Ilahia, VOl 2 page 85”

Complete reference

“وأبو بكر هو مقتد برسول فى دورة الكمال فاجمل كماله ٠٠٠ ”
So Abu Bakar as we see, followed Holy Prophet PBUH , His time was beautifully perfect , and guidance came from Allah SWT, And Umar RA inherited it, and took it to fullfilling the duties, then USMAN RA balanced it with his humble personality, In his time, Iman came and hearts opened. And ALI RA the perfect in knowledge”

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If we take ahmadiyya view of ‘ مصلح ‘ or reformer as NON LAW BEARING PROPHET then SHAH WALI ALLAH definitely added Hazrat ABUBAKAR, UMAR, USMAN and ALI رضى الله علىهم اجمعىن to prophets.. DID HE??

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NAWAB SIDDIQ HASSAN KHAN SAHIB

AHMADI REF

نواب نورالحسن خان فرماتے ہیں

حدیث ’لاوحی بعدی‘ بے اصل ہے۔البتہ ’لانبی بعدی‘ آیا ہے ۔ جس کے معنی نزدیک اہل علم کہ یہ ہیں کہ میرے بعد کوئی نبی شرع ناسخ نہ لاوے گا ۔

(اقتراب الساعہ صفحہ ۱۶۲)

Complete Reference

After writing the above statement that says ” ’لانبی بعدی means that no one will bring new shar’ia after Holy prophet PBUH” He added ” In his book, he has clearly explained that ISA AS will order our shari’a and this is concluded from Quran and Hadith.”

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Once again the lie is clear as they deliberately hide the further statement that correlates muslim view of coming of ISA AS.

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IMAM RAGHIB’s quote in BAHR E MOHIT

Ahmadi Reference

“وقوله: مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم، تفسير لقوله:
{ صراط الذين أنعمت عليهم }
[الفاتحة: 7] وهم من ذكر في هذه الآية. والظاهر أن قوله: من النبيين، تفسير للذين أنعم الله عليهم. فكأنه قيل: من يطع الله ورسوله منكم ألحقه الله بالذين تقدمهم ممن أنعم عليهم. قال الراغب: ممن أنعم عليهم من الفرق الأربع في المنزلة والثواب: النبي بالنبي، والصديق بالصديق، والشهيد بالشهيد، والصالح بالصالح. وأجاز الراغب أن يتعلق من النبيين بقوله: ومن يطع الله والرسول. أي: من النبيين ومن بعدهم، ”

BAHR E MOHIT vol 3 page 699

Complete Reference

ويكون قوله: فأولئك مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم إشارة إلى الملأ الأعلى. ثم قال: { وحسن أولئك رفيقاً } ويبين ذلك قول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم حين الموت ” اللهم ألحقني بالرفيق الأعلى ” وهذا ظاهر انتهى. وهذا الوجه الذي هو عنده ظاهر فاسد من جهة المعنى، ومن جهة النحو. أما من جهة المعنى فإنّ الرسول هنا هو محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، أخبر الله تعالى أنْ من يطيعه ويطيع رسوله فهو مع من ذكر، ولو كان من النبيين معلقاً بقوله: ومن يطع الله والرسول، لكان قوله: من النبيين تفسيراً لمن في قوله: ومن يطع. فيلزم أن يكون في زمان الرسول أو بعده أنبياء يطيعونه، وهذا غير ممكن، لأنه قد أخبر تعالى أنّ محمداً هو خاتم النبيين. وقال هو صلى الله عليه وسلم: ” لا نبي بعدي

ANd the saying: “they will be in the companionship of the blessed” clearly shows higher position. Then he said ( وحسن أولئك رفيقاً ) this can be narrated from saying of the Prophet PBUH before his death, he said : “O Allah the accept me, O My best companion.”. this phenomenon ( of prophethood) is over.because this is void in the apparent meanings . And in its meanings where Holy Prophet PBUH is subject that who ever obeyed HIM and his prophet will be from the later. From these Prophets are not included. Thus when its said: whoever obeys Allah and his prophet PBUH : can not say : from the Prophets. this explaination can not be from this saying. This is not possible for prophets to join after the time of HOLY PROPHET PBUH. And this is impossible. Because Allah has told about Holy Prophet PBUH that he is LAST PROPHET. And HOly Prophet PBUH (himself) said.” No Prophets After me”

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حکیم ترمذی HAKIM TRIMZI

چنانچہ نامور صوفی حضرت ابو عبداللہ محمد بن علی حسین الحکیم الترمذی
(متوفی۳۰۸ھ)کے نزدیک خاتم النبیین کے معنی محض آخری کرنے سے آنحضرت ﷺکی کوئی شان ظاہر نہیں ہوتی آپ لکھتے ہیں :
’’یُظَنُّ اَنَّ خاََتَمَ النَّبِیّٖنَ تَاْوِیْلُہٗ اَنَّہٗ اٰخِرُھُمْ مَبْعَثاً فَاَیُّ مَنْقَبَةٍ فیِْ ھٰذَاوَاَیُّ عِلْمٍ فِیْ ھٰذَا؟ھٰذَاَتأوِیْلُ الْبُلْہِ الْجَہَلَةِ‘‘
(کتاب ختم الاولیاء صفحہ۳۴۱ مطبع الکاثولیکیۃ بیروت)

ترجمہ :۔ یہ جو گمان کیا جاتا ہے کہ خاتم النبیین کی تاویل یہ ہے کہ آپ مبعوث ہونے کے اعتبار سے آخری نبی ہیں بھلا اس میں آپ کی کیا فضیلت وشان ہے؟ اور اس میں کونسی علمی بات ہے ؟یہ تاویل تو کم علم اور کم فہم لوگوں کی ہے ۔

He (may allah bless him ) said
“people consider that meaning of خاتم النبین are that he (saw) have been made the prophet in the end, but question is what makes him superior if such meanings are given to the term خاتم النبین ? what kind of knowledge is in these meanings ? this is the interpretation of ignorant people ”

Complete Reference

و مما ىحقق ذالك , ماروى فى الحدىث المعراج, منحدىث ابو جعفر الرازى,عن ربىع ابن ابى العالىه , فىما ىذكر من مجتمع الانبىاءفى المسجد الاقصى؛ ” فىذكر كل نبى من الله علىه. فكان من القول زسول الله صلى الله علىه وسلم , انه قال ؛ وجعلنى خاتِمً و فاتِحاً . فقال ابراهىم علىه السلام, بهذا فضلكم محمد “.

The General readers read KHATAM with Fatah on Taa, But the Scholars read with KASARAH under Taa. then it is interpreted as KHATIM that makes meaning of ” اسم فاعل “. that is : Last of the Prophet; who was given prophethood in the end. DO consider this that in the narration of Hadith of Miraj, the one narrated by ABu Jafar al-razi, from Rabi ibn e abi alia, it states the gathering of the prophets SA in Aqsa Mosque. And it is from saying of Holy Prophet. Thus Prophet of Allah said ( in Aqsa gathering) : He made me the LAST and the Opener. and Propher Ibrahim AS replied. O Muhammad PBUH! this is your excellence ( فضیلت۔, فوقیت ) .”

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Shaykh Abdul Karim

Ahmadi reference

” the oreder of shari’a ended with HOLY PROPHET PBUH, thats why he is LAST Prophet PBUH”

Al Insan Ul Kamil Page 115

Complete Reference

“As we have been told that this is related to coming of ISA AS”

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Kanzul Ummal كنزالعمال

Ahmadi Reference

When Holy Prophet PBUH came back from BADAR, His Uncle Hazrat ABBAS asked his permission to go back and come back to MADINAH for HIJRAH, But Holy Prophet PBUH said to him, “dont worry my dear Uncle, you are KHATAM UL MOHAJIREEN like I am KHATAM UL ANBIYA.”

Kanz Ul Ummal vol 13 Page 519.

Complete Reference

In the next Hadith:
” the HOLY PROPHET PBUH said to HIS UNCLE, “STAY in your House ( in MAKKAH) as Allah will END the HIJRAT with you as He ENDED the PROPHETHOOD with me”

Kanz Ul Ummal vol 13 Page 519.

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Please NOTE the all Muslim scholars comment on these hadith in reference to HIJRAT from MAKKAH to MADINA only, and HAZRAT ABBAS was LAST person, He was held back by Holy PROPHET PBUH in MAKKAH to keep contacts with Kuffars and help the poor migrants who were coming one by one

Masnad Imam Hunbal

Findings: I know about it, Just read the lines below the narration

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“When (chliphate of) UMAR BIN ABDUL AZIZ came, Yazid bin Bashir explained it under this hadith, that the narration came to existance by AMIR UL MOMINEEN means UMAR (bin Abdul Aziz)”

the Minhaj un Nabuwwat is Revival of Prophethood in terms of Islamic law and order but its nothing to do with Prophethood. The author relates this hadith to Caliphate of UMAR BIN ABDUL AZIZ, should we believe that he was a prophet too?

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