The problem with Ahmadi’s is that they are stuck in a cycle of loyalty, hence, they are overly argumentative, never listen to feedback and inherently dishonest. I have been trying to discuss Zakat, MGA and Sadaqa, Zakat in British India, Zakat while living under a Kafir government, if MGA ever even gave money to Islamic organizations in British India and other related matters. However, this Ahmadi will not co-operate, just like all Ahmadi’s. He wrote a response to me, however, it is lacking basic knowledge and full of errors and omissions. I don’t defend any religion or any creed. I am a Muslim, however, I don’t listen to any people from 3rd world countries, nor do I follow any Imam’s in the USA, since their knowledge is less than mine. In reality, most Ahmadi’s don’t have the time to have a proper discussion, instead, they are taught to make their arguments and run off and never listen to feedback.
His first argument
“”””What Mr. AFC fails to realize is that Islamic jurisprudence has laid out a set of criteria for the wealth that Zakat is assessed upon. According to Islamic jurists, Zakat is payable at 2.5% of the wealth one possesses above the nisab (minimum amount of wealth one must have before they are liable to pay Zakat) and reaches the nisab threshold, meaning the assessable wealth is in possession of the Muslim for one full lunar year.””””
—Answer: I never questioned this concept or idea. WTH this guy even talking about?
His second argument:
He then posts a hadith and continued to make the same silly argument, which I had never objected to in the first place, he then writes:
“”””””””””””So in reality our brother Mr. AFC is rejecting the teachings of our beloved master the Holy Prophet (saw) by accusing of The Promised Messiah (as) not paying Zakat.””””
—Answer: But I haven’t rejected this idea of concept, in fact, I agree with it. I only add that Zakat is only payable while a Muslim is living under an islamic government, it wouldn’t have applied in British India, the UK, Canada, the USA and etc.
His 3rd argument
“”””The Promised Messiah (as) did not meet the nisab that is required for a Muslim to meet for Zakat to be assessed upon. The Promised Messiah (as) was a servant of God and devoted his entire life for the cause of Islam, defending it from attacks from other religions and fierce opponents of Islam. He did not desire a life of wealth and glamour, and always gave whatever he had to the cause of Islam and its propagation. That is why he was never in possession of wealth that met the nisab threshold because he would always spend in the way of Islam and large amounts of wealth were never in his possession for more than a year.”””””
—Answer: However, in 1898, MGA told the world how much money he was making, which was above the nisab. Why don’t you look it up? He did not devote his entire life to Islam…he worked for the British government as a clerk for 4 years as a punishment from his father, he only left that job when his mother died, since she was also punished. Further, in MGA’s childhood, and after his work in Sialkot, he fought his father’s tenants in court, he was a sort of slum lord, he took a loan on interest (I can give all the refs, you only have to ask). from 1864 to 1876, he traveled all throughout British India to courts as he fought cases for land. Hence, the majority of MGA’s life was spent in worldly pursuits, he even took the law exam and failed. He totally abandoned both of his eldest son’s, and didn’t get them married or even took part in their upbringin. MGA was lazy and sat around the house and ate opium all day, like the son of most rich punjabi’s in that era.
His 4th argument
“…and he did not pay Zakat because he did not meet the nisab requirement. However, Hazrat
Walida sahiba [wife of the Promised Messiah (as)] gave Zakat on her jewellery”
This clearly shows that Zakat was obligatory upon his wife and she paid the due amount that was assessed upon her assets. I find it daft that Mr. AFC chooses to accept half the narration where it states that the Promised Messiah (as) does not pay Zakat but does not accept the other half of the statement where it explains why he didn’t. This is flawed thinking and an inconsistent argument to infer.
Answer: Firstly, he doesn’t give any reference here. What jewelry did his wife have anyways? At the time of marriage, MGA didn’t give her any jewelry, in fact, Ahmadi women complained about her lavish lifestyle at Qadian, you need the reference? Secondly, this proves that MGA never paid any Zakat. I have never paid it either, since it can only be paid to an islamic government, not a non-profit corporation.
His 5th argument
“”””””””””The Promised Messiah (as) devoted his entire life to the service of Islam. What higher sacrifice is there? What weight is there to an allegation by a common man who accuses someone who devoted his whole life for the cause of Islam. The Promised Messiah (as) followed in the footsteps of his Master the Holy Prophet (saw) and lead a life of simplicity and humility. He did not desire wealth or fame, rather he would spend in his wealth for the poor when needed. If we look at early life we see that he used to take care of the poor out of his own pocket. “While Ahmad (as) was at Sialkot, he used to entertain the poor and look after them and, as a result of this, whatever he earned did not meet all his expenses. His father used, therefore, to send him regular amounts” (Life of Ahmad (as), pg 52-53s)””””””””””
Answer: Again, he is ignorant, the majority of MGA’s life was dedicated to worldly pursuits, even then, he took money from the Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims of North india to write 50 volumes, 300 arguments in support of Islam, however, he lied, BA 1-2 were only announcements and MGA begging for money, 3-4 contain MGA’s revelations, for which he was called a Kafir by how own Ahl-e-Hadith people, the only person who supported him was the Batalvi, since he was his childhood friend. By 1904, MGA told his followers that if they don’t pay him something, he would ex-communicate them.
His 6th argument
“”””””””””he earned on helping the poor so much so that his own expenses and needs were not met and he would borrow from his father.”””””””””””””
Answer: this is a lie, with no references attached, MGA never borrowed money from his father.
His 7th argument
“”””Mr. AFC himself admits that only state taxes are mandatory payments in Islam and everything else is optional. Then why does he complains that the Promised Messiah (as) never gave money to any Islamic organization in British India as if it were a mandatory obligation. Why are you raising this accusation if its not a mandatory payment?””””
Answer: I am only pointing out the fact, see, you comprehension level is low. I need for you to agree.
His 8th argument
“”””As I stated before, The Promised Messiah (as) devoted his life to the service of Islam, which
includes AND exceeds monetary donations for the cause of Islam.”””””
Answer: This is not true…MGA lived off of his daddy’s pension until he was in his late 20’s, that pension money was tax monies collected by the British government, thus haraam. Even in 1878, he asked for donations for the Braheen and promised 50 volumes and 300 arguments, and then didn’t do what he had promised. He then brings up Batalvi and the comments that Batalvi made, Batalvi was a Wahabi, a fellow Ahl-e-Hadith mullah, MGA was fast friends with all the Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims, in fact, his wife was one, and most of his early followers like Noorduin were Wahabi aka Ahle Hadith.
His 9th argument
“””””The Promised Messiah (as) forced his followers to pay him heavily”””””
Answer: But the quote that you presented is from 1890, when MGA barely had 100 followers. After 1900, MGA changed and threatened his followers, see here:
(Al-Hakm, March 21, 1905)
“This money was given to me by God. I shall not return it to anyone – not even a penny, as I am not accountable to anyone. Anyone who asks me to render account should not give me anything in the future.”
MGA also said
“It is the duty of all my followers to remit some amount out of their earnings. After this announcement, we shall wait for three months. We shall remove from the list of devotees the name of anyone who does not remit a portion of his earnings during these three months.
His 10th argument
He discusses Zakat in Chapter 2
Answer: all of these requests by Allah only happened as Muhammad (saw) was the General and dictator of Medina, hence, all of these monies were given to the government of Muhammad (Saw), not a non-profit organization, and they were used for the Battle of Badr.
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