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January 2020

Did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad give money for Islam? Ever??

The problem with Ahmadi’s is that they are stuck in a cycle of loyalty, hence, they are overly argumentative, never listen to feedback and inherently dishonest. I have been trying to discuss Zakat, MGA and Sadaqa, Zakat in British India, Zakat while living under a Kafir government, if MGA ever even gave money to Islamic organizations in British India and other related matters. However, this Ahmadi will not co-operate, just like all Ahmadi’s. He wrote a response to me, however, it is lacking basic knowledge and full of errors and omissions. I don’t defend any religion or any creed. I am a Muslim, however, I don’t listen to any people from 3rd world countries, nor do I follow any Imam’s in the USA, since their knowledge is less than mine. In reality, most Ahmadi’s don’t have the time to have a proper discussion, instead, they are taught to make their arguments and run off and never listen to feedback.

His first argument
He writes: 
“”””What Mr. AFC fails to realize is that Islamic jurisprudence has laid out a set of criteria for the wealth that Zakat is assessed upon. According to Islamic jurists, Zakat is payable at 2.5% of the wealth one possesses above the nisab (minimum amount of wealth one must have before they are liable to pay Zakat) and reaches the nisab threshold, meaning the assessable wealth is in possession of the Muslim for one full lunar year.””””

—Answer: I never questioned this concept or idea. WTH this guy even talking about?
His second argument: 

He then posts a hadith and continued to make the same silly argument, which I had never objected to in the first place, he then writes:

“”””””””””””So in reality our brother Mr. AFC is rejecting the teachings of our beloved master the Holy Prophet (saw) by accusing of The Promised Messiah (as) not paying Zakat.””””

—Answer: But I haven’t rejected this idea of concept, in fact, I agree with it. I only add that Zakat is only payable while a Muslim is living under an islamic government, it wouldn’t have applied in British India, the UK, Canada, the USA and etc.
His 3rd argument

He writes:

“”””The Promised Messiah (as) did not meet the nisab that is required for a Muslim to meet for Zakat to be assessed upon. The Promised Messiah (as) was a servant of God and devoted his entire life for the cause of Islam, defending it from attacks from other religions and fierce opponents of Islam. He did not desire a life of wealth and glamour, and always gave whatever he had to the cause of Islam and its propagation. That is why he was never in possession of wealth that met the nisab threshold because he would always spend in the way of Islam and large amounts of wealth were never in his possession for more than a year.”””””

—Answer: However, in 1898, MGA told the world how much money he was making, which was above the nisab. Why don’t you look it up? He did not devote his entire life to Islam…he worked for the British government as a clerk for 4 years as a punishment from his father, he only left that job when his mother died, since she was also punished. Further, in MGA’s childhood, and after his work in Sialkot, he fought his father’s tenants in court, he was a sort of slum lord, he took a loan on interest (I can give all the refs, you only have to ask). from 1864 to 1876, he traveled all throughout British India to courts as he fought cases for land. Hence, the majority of MGA’s life was spent in worldly pursuits, he even took the law exam and failed. He totally abandoned both of his eldest son’s, and didn’t get them married or even took part in their upbringin. MGA was lazy and sat around the house and ate opium all day, like the son of most rich punjabi’s in that era.
His 4th argument
He writes: 

“…and he did not pay Zakat because he did not meet the nisab requirement. However, Hazrat
Walida sahiba [wife of the Promised Messiah (as)] gave Zakat on her jewellery”

This clearly shows that Zakat was obligatory upon his wife and she paid the due amount that was assessed upon her assets. I find it daft that Mr. AFC chooses to accept half the narration where it states that the Promised Messiah (as) does not pay Zakat but does not accept the other half of the statement where it explains why he didn’t. This is flawed thinking and an inconsistent argument to infer.

Answer: Firstly, he doesn’t give any reference here. What jewelry did his wife have anyways? At the time of marriage, MGA didn’t give her any jewelry, in fact, Ahmadi women complained about her lavish lifestyle at Qadian, you need the reference? Secondly, this proves that MGA never paid any Zakat. I have never paid it either, since it can only be paid to an islamic government, not a non-profit corporation.
His 5th argument
He writes: 

“”””””””””The Promised Messiah (as) devoted his entire life to the service of Islam. What higher sacrifice is there? What weight is there to an allegation by a common man who accuses someone who devoted his whole life for the cause of Islam. The Promised Messiah (as) followed in the footsteps of his Master the Holy Prophet (saw) and lead a life of simplicity and humility. He did not desire wealth or fame, rather he would spend in his wealth for the poor when needed. If we look at early life we see that he used to take care of the poor out of his own pocket. “While Ahmad (as) was at Sialkot, he used to entertain the poor and look after them and, as a result of this, whatever he earned did not meet all his expenses. His father used, therefore, to send him regular amounts” (Life of Ahmad (as), pg 52-53s)””””””””””

Answer: Again, he is ignorant, the majority of MGA’s life was dedicated to worldly pursuits, even then, he took money from the Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims of North india to write 50 volumes, 300 arguments in support of Islam, however, he lied, BA 1-2 were only announcements and MGA begging for money, 3-4 contain MGA’s revelations, for which he was called a Kafir by how own Ahl-e-Hadith people, the only person who supported him was the Batalvi, since he was his childhood friend. By 1904, MGA told his followers that if they don’t pay him something, he would ex-communicate them.
His 6th argument
He writes: 

“”””””””””he earned on helping the poor so much so that his own expenses and needs were not met and he would borrow from his father.”””””””””””””

Answer: this is a lie, with no references attached, MGA never borrowed money from his father.  
His 7th argument
He writes:

“”””Mr. AFC himself admits that only state taxes are mandatory payments in Islam and everything else is optional. Then why does he complains that the Promised Messiah (as) never gave money to any Islamic organization in British India as if it were a mandatory obligation. Why are you raising this accusation if its not a mandatory payment?””””

Answer: I am only pointing out the fact, see, you comprehension level is low.  I need for you to agree.
His 8th argument
He writes: 

“”””As I stated before, The Promised Messiah (as) devoted his life to the service of Islam, which
includes AND exceeds monetary donations for the cause of Islam.”””””

Answer: This is not true…MGA lived off of his daddy’s pension until he was in his late 20’s, that pension money was tax monies collected by the British government, thus haraam. Even in 1878, he asked for donations for the Braheen and promised 50 volumes and 300 arguments, and then didn’t do what he had promised.  He then brings up Batalvi and the comments that Batalvi made, Batalvi was a Wahabi, a fellow Ahl-e-Hadith mullah, MGA was fast friends with all the Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims, in fact, his wife was one, and most of his early followers like Noorduin were Wahabi aka Ahle Hadith.
His 9th argument
He writes:

“””””The Promised Messiah (as) forced his followers to pay him heavily”””””

Answer: But the quote that you presented is from 1890, when MGA barely had 100 followers. After 1900, MGA changed and threatened his followers, see here:

(Al-Hakm, March 21, 1905)

“This money was given to me by God. I shall not return it to anyone – not even a penny, as I am not accountable to anyone. Anyone who asks me to render account should not give me anything in the future.”

MGA also said
“It is the duty of all my followers to remit some amount out of their earnings. After this announcement, we shall wait for three months. We shall remove from the list of devotees the name of anyone who does not remit a portion of his earnings during these three months.
His 10th argument
He writes:

He discusses Zakat in Chapter 2

Answer: all of these requests by Allah only happened as Muhammad (saw) was the General and dictator of Medina, hence, all of these monies were given to the government of Muhammad (Saw), not a non-profit organization, and they were used for the Battle of Badr. 

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and collecting money from interest for religion

It is unclear what MGA wrote “in-total” on the topic of interest in Islam. However, we have found a few references. In 1898, he told his disciple Seth Ghulam Nabi that it is OK to use money received from interest towards religion. MGA also comments on Zakat, which he himself never paid in his whole life. In fact, MGA claims that Muslims in India weren’t paying any Zakat either, hence proving that Zakat is only given to a Muslim government. This conversation was also going on at the islam_Ahmadiyya reddit forum.
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Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad explains how young Ahmadi’s in America are leaving Ahmadiyya at an alarming rate

Ahmadi’s who are born in the USA are leaving Ahmadiyya at an alarming rate. Without the persecution-card, Ahmadiyya is dead! The persecution is self-generated anyways. Nevertheless, in the concluding speech at the 2019 USA-Jalsa, the younger brother of the Khalifa, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad explains how Ahmadi’s have given up on the Ahmadiyya Jamaat in the USA. Read our reddit forum posting herein. It should be noted that Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad was only made in-charge of the USA jamaat since he is the brother of the Khalifa, not based on any merit. Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad doesn’t think that any Ahmadi’s in the USA are sacrificing their wealth, he seems to spit on Ahmadi’s who think they are sacrificing. He lies and claims that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad invented the Chanda that Ahmadi’s are having to pay in 2020, however, that is a lie, MGA never invented Chanda-Aam, MGA invented Wasiyyat, which is 10% and totally optional.
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The British Government created the Indian Air Training Course (IAT) in Qadian at the T.I. College in the 1940’s

After the outbreak of WW-2, the British government became desperate and began making more and more Indian’s as officers. As we all know, there was an “Ahmady-only” company and Ahmadi’s were trusted more than any other group of non-whites. The British were so desperate, the Japanese had taken Burma, and many other British colonies in the Far East and they wanted India next. Being an Ahmadi was almost like a certificate that would surely get an Indian person preferential treatment. In fact, even Zia Ul Haq joined Ahmadiyya in 1941. This is an interview of Chaudhary Muhammad Ali who was living in Qadian at that time and attending the T.I. College.

The British wanted Ahmadi’s to become pilots in the British Air Force
The British government spent lots of money here in Qadian. Chaudhary Muhammad Ali (a hard core qadiani) tells us that the College in Qadian in the 1940’s was the only college in all of India to have high technology Aircraft simulators and etc. They also had 2 small aircraft there in Qaidan, one un-assembled and one as fully assembled. The Sadr-Anjuman at Qadian had even purchased a few planes for themselves (see at the 21:00 minute mark). This is probably why Bashir Ahmad Orchard converted to Ahmadiyya, since he saw their amazing relationship with the British government. Spate drew a map of Qadian and mentioned how a crashed aircraft torso was being used at Qadian for training purposes.

In 1974, Bhutto starting removing Ahmadi Generals and other high ranking Ahmadi officers
This caused Ahmadi’s to hate Bhutto and to eventually prop up Zia Ul Haq to execute Bhutto.

This is a golden era in Ahmadiyya history, they were re-instated into government and military positions. Specifically, in 1982, there is a list of Ahmadi’s which proved over-representation of Ahmadi’s in civil jobs.

By 1987, Ahmadi’s were generals again
It seems that Zia began promoting Ahmadi’s again, he was never against Ahmadi’s in the first place.

Famous Ahmadi officer’s who almost made General
Major Syed Maqbool Ahmad was a colleague of Zia and one of the founders of ISI.

Nasir Ahmad Faruqi (a Lahori-Ahmadi)
He was the principal secretary for Ayub Khan from 1959 to 1969 as well as Chief Election Commissioner of Pakistan for the 1965 election, which was totally rigged. The elections in Pakistan were under his control in 1970 also.

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The Mirza family loves the persecution, they call it free press

An Ahmadi spills the beans on the Rabwah train attack

Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad

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Ahmadiyya Social Boycott Circular in India–2020

There is absolutely NO Ahmadiyya persecution in India. There has never been. During the partition, many Ahmadi’s were killed in and around Qadian. Nevertheless, since 1947, the government of India considers Ahmadi’s as Muslims and has allowed them to keep Qadian at barely 5-7% of the population. We have recently found an announcement which was given to all Indian jamaat’s of the Ahmadiyya Movement wherein it is ordered to socially boycott Ex-Ahmadi’s. Even in the USA, in 2010, Ahmadi’s were kicked out for attending a wedding wherein there was dancing.
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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that men have been bestowed greater faculties than women

MGA was supposed to be a reformer, however, he failed. Desi men are still sick, twisted, backwards, and generally lazy.  However, the remarks that MGA made about women are really bad. MGA basically said that men and women are not equal, he also said that men have been bestowed greater faculties than women, and women are less courageous than man, and women are the root of idolatry. MGA also said that women should unquestionably loyal to their husbands. MGA also said that men should never even hear women’s voices, which means no music from those female indian singers. In 1933, the Khalifa said that women shouldn’t work. The Mirza family always saw working women as a sort of curse. Even in 2020, women are not allowed to vote in general–local elections for Jamaat President and etc. Mirza Tahir Ahmad and Mirza Masroor Ahmad told Ahmadis that it’s OK to beat their wives and to force Hijaab.  

The Quote
[Malfuzat, vol. 7, pp. 133-34](Via Essence of Islam, vol. 3, page 324

 “””””If you desire to reform your own selves, it is essential that you also seek to reform your women. Women are the root of idol worship, for they are naturally devoted to decoration and ornaments. This is why idolatry started with women. They are also less courageous. Under the
slightest stress of hardship, they begin to cringe before their fellow creatures. Hence those who are completely under the influence of their women gradually acquire their characteristics. It is, therefore, necessary to constantly try to reform them. God Almighty says: 

‘Men are guardians over women.’—Al-Nisa’, 4:35

This is why men have been bestowed greater faculties than women. One marvels at the modern man who insists on the equality of the sexes and asserts that men and women have equal rights. Let these people raise armies of women and send them into battle and see the result for themselves. How would a pregnant woman discharge her duties in the battlefield? In short, women have fewer and weaker faculties than men. Men should, therefore, keep them under their care.”””””””””


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In 1884, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that the Quran 48:29 was also revealed to him

After the publishing of the 4th volume of Braheen e Ahmadiyya in late 1884, MGA was called a Kafir by the leaders of the Ahl-e-hadith sect, who had just helped MGA marry an Ahl-e-Hadith girl. MGA was so bold, he began claiming that many verses of the Quran had been also revealed onto himself. In this essay, we are writing about 48:29, which would be 48:30 in the Ahmadiyya Quran’s (interestingly, after MGA died, the Ahmadi’s who wrote commentary on the Quran never mention that this verse is about MGA, Lahori’s and Qadiani’s, see page 2953)). Per MGA,  “””I have been named ‘Muhammad’ as well as ‘Messenger'”””, (see “Eik Ghalti Ka Izala”, page 2, online english edition). MGA is essentially claiming HE WAS REFERRED TO AS MUHAMMAD in this verse.

In Nov. of 1901, in MGA’s famous announcement/booklet, “Eik Ghalti Ka Izala”, MGA says:

“”””””””””””””””””””””In the same book, close upon the above Divine Communication, is this Divine revelation:  Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are
hard against the disbelievers, tender amongst themselves.“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

This is just the first sentence of the full verse from the Quran
The full verse is as follows:

“”””””””””””””””””””””””Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are hard against the disbelievers, tender among themselves. Thou seest them bowing and prostrating themselves in Prayer, seeking grace from Allah and His pleasure. Their mark is upon their faces, being the traces of prostrations. This is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is like unto a seed-produce that sends forth its sprout, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and stands firm on its stem, delighting the sowers — that He may cause the disbelievers to burn with rage at the sight of them. Allah has promised, unto those of them who believe and do good works, forgiveness and a great reward.“””””””””””””””””””””””””””

The verse is mentioned in Izala Auham (1890–1891) as MGA tried to explain his abusive language
As MGA worked on explaining as to why he had used abusive language, he quoted 48:29.

This verse was on the cover page of Asmani Faisala (1891)
The verse was presented on the cover page of MGA’s famous book.

Other Quranic verses that MGA claimed for himself in 1884
——48:28, 61:09 and 9:32


In Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya Vol. 4, online english edition, page 396
The original quote can be found in english.

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In 1884, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that the Quran 61:09, 48:28 and 9:32 was also revealed to him

After the publishing of the 4th volume of Braheen e Ahmadiyya in late 1884, MGA was called a Kafir by the leaders of the Ahl-e-hadith sect, who had just helped MGA marry an Ahl-e-Hadith girl. MGA was so bold, he began claiming that many verses of the Quran had been also revealed onto himself. Again, in 1901, via “Eik Ghalti Ka Izala”, MGA quoted this entire scenario and explained how he has been a prophet since 1880-ish (see the ref in the below). Even in the 2018, official 5-volume commentary of the Quran, it is explained that 9:32 is about MGA and how MGA will make Islam prevail against Christians.
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Zia Ul Haq’s grandson speaks

Zia ul Haq seems to have came from an Ahmadi family. Nevertheless, his grandson seems to have written about him in 2014.

His essay

Published: August 16, 2014
The writer is based in Princeton, New Jersey. He tweets @mziaadnan

The writer is based in Princeton, New Jersey. He tweets @mziaadnan

The writer is based in Princeton, New Jersey. He tweets @mziaadnanThe writer is a London-based student who has contributed to The Express Tribune Blogs and Pakistan Today.

I can only come up with the forewarning that this is not a reactionary outburst, nor in support or defence of the merits of military governments in place of genuine democracy, if we can ever come to that. Yes, former president Ziaul Haq is my grandfather, and if this article appears to you as one-sided, and no doubt it certainly will, perhaps, we should first question our overzealous political anchors and their self-crowned analyst guests, who repeatedly present the same side of the coin.

26 years after the C-130 crash, I decided to pick up Benazir Bhutto’s much-lauded 1988 memoir, Daughter of the East. Initially apprehensive given that Benazir begins with her father’s execution, I had prepared myself for the barrage of criticism that would be directed towards General Zia. Three chapters in, however, I found myself laughing at the baseless accusations that Bhutto levels against Zia and his family.

Regarding the former president’s funeral, Benazir claims that in order to increase participation, the government paid for the accommodation of citizens in Islamabad. In reference to Shahnawaz Bhutto’s funeral, Benazir describes the feeling of tremendous sadness that swept over Sindh, and how millions turned up to mourn ‘martyr Bhutto’s’ son. The videos of the 1988 state funeral are online, and while Shahnawaz’s untimely and mysterious death (which his niece Fatima claims was Benazir’s doing) may have attracted many supporters, there is no comparison to the two to three million individuals who descended upon Faisal Masjid from all across Pakistan. The Mohtarma’s memoir is replete with the downplaying of the facts which reveal the support Zia had from Pakistanis.

Then there is the absolutely absurd claim that General Zia planned to flee to Saudi Arabia after Benazir’s return in 1986. She writes, “Zia allegedly left with his family, three airline containers of furniture, and a gold-plated Rolls Royce gifted to the president from an Arab head of state.” I’d certainly like to know where the car is, because we, Zia’s family, definitely don’t have it; perhaps it, along with the ‘furniture’, has made its way to Surrey, or better yet, the underground garage of a certain someone’s Park Lane apartment.

In order to understand the extent of the damage that Bhutto, both father and daughter, caused to Pakistan, one has to dig deeper. Yet, our media is inclined toward the superficial, remaining on the surface during attempts to dissect the characters of General Zia and Bhutto — a moustached general who came to power through martial law doesn’t look as good to them as an idealistic prime minister with a feudal background swaying the masses with his romantic notions of roti, kapra and makaan.

If power doesn’t change hands, and only changes faces, which Fatima Bhutto once said in a Karan Thapar interview, then Benazir, behind her dupatta and coiffed hair, was about as much a dictator as General Zia. A January 1995 Amnesty International report titled Pakistan: The Pattern Persists outlines the human rights promises made by the PPP, and how the government instead facilitated the spread of torture and rape by the “widespread practice of incommunicado detention, sometimes in places not officially designated as prisons.” There was also Operation Clean-up or Blue Fox, which under Bhutto’s initiation turned Karachi into a hotbed for sectarian violence that continues to this day.

On the much-decried issue of General Zia’s censorship, let’s not forget Junoon’s song Ehtesaab, parodying fat cat bureaucrats and politicians as well as the infamous poly pony stables at PM House, which was banned from being aired on PTV under Benazir’s premiership. Najam Sethi said it best in the 1996 exposé, Princess and the Playboy, when he told viewers that Bhutto forgot to be an elected leader and instead became a queen. The irony lies in her repeated reference to herself as Cory Aquino, and General Zia in the same category as Ferdinand, the Shah and other tyrants. In hindsight, it seems that she was less Aquino and more Imelda.

More recently, however, under the government of former president Zia’s biggest mistake, the media has launched a campaign of defaming his character under the guise of political satire. The July 31 episode of Express News’s Media Azaad Hai parodied Ziaul Haq in extremely bad taste: if the media is truly as ‘azaad’ as it says it is, then perhaps it should also poke fun at the former prime minister’s late father in primetime.

It’s almost funny how political programmes across networks repeatedly mention former president Ziaul Haq in every single episode. Why? Because General Zia sells books, because General Zia gets ratings up, because General Zia is forever etched into our selective national memory.

We never fled the country, never got whisked away by a sympathetic Middle Eastern despot. President Zia did not run any political party like a family business either. He did not pass on the mantle of power to his son, or spouse, or sibling in a system akin to monarchy. It is today’s politicians who think they can loot and plunder Pakistan’s exchequer, manipulate the mandate from the people, and then cry foul in remembrance of the dictators that sent them into the wilderness of exile (Kensington, Jeddah, Dubai). This is ‘democracy’ in Pakistan, and General Zia is its most convenient target.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 16th, 2014.

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