Intro
Technically, in 1899 (via “Tiryaq ul Qulub”), MGA alleged that Muhammad (saw) was sitting on the throne (Arsh) of Allah and on Allah’s right side. Bro Imtiaz discussed this in Feb-2025 (3:43:52 time stamp).

The topic of the throne (‘Arsh)of Allah and whether it was created by Allah or not is a subject lots of controversy. This was recently discussed on twitter. We checked the writings of MGA and his team wrote that the throne of Allah was not created, instead it’s a metaphor.

In 1903, MGA said that Allah is above (3:43:46 time stamp)! In an article entitled, “The Meaning of Allah being in the Sky” (Khuda Taala Kay Asmaan may ohnay ka mafoom). MGA argues that per the Quran, Allah has attributed “above-ness” to himself and we cannot attribute down-ness to Allah (See Malfuzat-3, page 482-Urdu edition, Al-Hakam Vol. 7 Number 1, dated January 10, 1903, page 11).

In 1904, MGA got a revelation wherein he (MGA) was called the Arsh (See in the below). He writes: “This word has been used because ‘Arsh [throne] is the perfect manifestation of God’s attributes of jamal [beauty] and jalal [majesty] and the Promised Messiah is the perfect manifestation of His attributes of beauty which are being displayed just now (See al-badr, via Tadhkirah). This also goes with the Ahmadiyya argument (and Sir Syed) that Allah is everywhere, which is not true, in fact, check out the famous Shamsi debunking that line of argumentation herein.

In 1908, MGA and his team of writers argued that “Asmaan” is above us (See via Bro Imtiaz, 3:43:46 time stamp). In an article entitled, “Arsh Kee Haqiqat” (Reality of the Arsh). Allah is on his Arsh (throne). The throne is where the sphere of creation ended. It’s not a throne like the throne of Kings and etc. The Arsh of Allah is like a station (maqam) and it is above (ala). It is far and beyond, above and above (3:43:55). In conclusion, MGA is arguing that Allah is above his throne (arsh), in the sky, this throne and the sky is above! It is far beyond all of the stations. It exists where there is no interference of creation (See English Malfuzat-10-pages, 224-234
Al-Hakam, vol. 12, no. 21, p. 2–3, dated 22 March 1908).

Brother Shamsi with CCDawah recently had discussion with a Qadiani-Ahmadi, this was posted on the DUS Dawah channel. Brother Shamsi brought up the fact that Allah said he raised Eisa (as) towards him (see 4:158 of the Quran), you can view the clip on tik tok herein. The Qadiani-Ahmadi responded per his script that Allah is everywhere. Shamsi disagreed and reminded the Qadiani-Ahmadi that Allah is in Jannah and Eisa (As) is in the samaa wattay. 4:158 means that Allah lifted Eisa (As) out of trouble and to the Samaa Wattay.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________ The Throne of Allah appears in the quran and hadith

“It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing.”(Quran 57:4)

Allah has mentioned His Throne and Kursi in the Quran, and our beloved Prophet has told us about it in several narrations. So here are Six facts about the Throne of Allah to help us understand the greatness of Allah and His creation: The Throne (Al-Arsh) is Allah’s First and Greatest Creation

The Prophet ﷺsaid, “First of all, there was nothing but Allah, and (then He created His Throne). His throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the Heaven) and created the Heavens and the Earth.” (Bukhari)

The Throne of Allah is on Water

“And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days – and His Throne had been upon water…” (Quran 11:7) The Prophet ﷺ was asked, “ Where was Allah before He created His creation?’ He said: “He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.” (Sunan Ibn Majah)

The Bearers of the Throne

The Prophetﷺ said, “I have been permitted to tell about one of Allah’s angels who bears the throne that the distance between the lobe of his ear and his shoulder is a journey of seven hundred years.” (Sunan Abi Dawud)

Glorifying Allah reaches the Throne

The Messenger of Allahﷺ said: “What you mention of glory of Allah, of Tabsih (Subhan-Allah), Tahlil (Allahu-Akbar) and Tahmid (Al-Hamdu lillah), revolves around the Throne, buzzing like bees, reminding of the one who said it. Wouldn’t any one of you like to have, or continue to have, something that reminds of him (in the presence of Allah)?’” (Sunan Ibn Majah)

Allah’s Mercy is mentioned over the Throne

Allah’s Messengerﷺ said, “When Allah completed the creation, He wrote in His Book which is with Him on His Throne, “My Mercy overpowers My Anger.” (Bukhari)

Al-Firdaws (The Highest Paradise) is directly under the Throne of Allah

The Messenger of Allahﷺ said: ‘Paradise has one hundred grades, each of which is as big as the distance between heaven and earth. The highest of them is Firdaws and the best of them is Firdaws. The Throne is above Firdaws and from it spring forth the rivers of Paradise. If you ask of Allah, ask Him for Firdaws.’” (Sunan Ibn Majah)
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1899-1902
“Tiryaq ul Qulub” (See page 139 of RK-15)

Sheikh Ibn Hazm was reading the Arabic edition of “Tiryaq ul Qulub” (See page 139 of RK-15) and found a strange utterance of MGA. MGA wrote that Muhammad (Saw) hasn’t died and is sitting on the right side of Allah, and on the Arsh (throne)(astagfarullah).

“Our holy prophet SAW is alive in the highest heaven, sitting on the throne on the right hand of his Almighty Master with his glory and holiness.”

This was discussed by Sheikh Ibn Hazm on a live stream too.

Scan from the Arabic

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1903
Nasim-e-Da‘wat, Ruhani Khaza’in, Vol.19, pp. 453-456
Via Essence of Islam, Vol.1

“””It is not the belief of the Muslims that the ‘Arsh is a physical or created thing on which God is seated. You may go through the Qur’an from the beginning to the end and you will not find it stated that the ‘Arsh is something limited and created. God has repeatedly said in the Holy Qur’an that He is the Creator of all things that have any existence. He is the Creator of heaven and earth, and souls and all their faculties. He is Self-Existing and everything exists because of Him. Every particle that exists is His creation. He has nowhere stated that the ‘Arsh is something physical of which He is the Creator…. Wherever the word ‘Arsh has been used in the Holy Qur’an its meaning is the Greatness and Majesty and Supremacy of God. That is why it is not included among created things. There are four manifestations of the Greatness and Majesty of God Almighty. The Vedas call them four gods, but according to the idiom of the Holy Qur’an they are angels.”””
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1903
Malfuzat-3, page 482-Urdu edition
Al-Hakam Vol. 7 Number 1, dated January 10, 1903, page 11
Ahmadiyya Deception Continues | Live Stream – YouTube
3:43:46 time stamp

Allah is above (3:43:46 time stamp)! In an article entitled, “The Meaning of Allah being in the Sky” (Khuda Taala Kay Asmaan may ohnay ka mafoom). MGA argues that per the Quran, Allah has attributed “above-ness” to himself and we cannot attribute down-ness to Allah.

Scans

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1904
Via Tadhkirah
[al-Badr, vol. 3, no. 16–17, April 24, May 1, 1904, p. 8]

April 20, 1904

[Arabic] You have a standing with Me of which people have no knowledge. You are to Me like My ‘Arsh [Throne].

Regarding the ‘Arsh [Throne] the Promised Messiah[as] said: This word has been used because ‘Arsh [throne] is the perfect manifestation of God’s attributes of jamal [beauty] and jalal [majesty] and the Promised Messiah is the perfect manifestation of His attributes of beauty which are being displayed just now. That is why I have been addressed with the names of all the Prophets, so that I might become a perfect manifestation of all their qualities. The attributes of God Almighty, that He bestows life and causes death, are both mightily in operation. On one side, people are being revived, and on the other they are dying. Divine attributes are being manifested in these days in their full glory; that is why the phrase ‘Arsh has been used in this revelation.
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1906-1907
Via, “”The Will””

“”His attributes with anyone. None of His powers is less than perfect. He is near, yet far and
He is far, yet near. He can reveal Himself to Ahl-e-Kashf . He has no body, nor any shape. He is above all, but it cannot be said that there is anything beneath Him. He is on ‘Arsh, but it can’t be said that He is not on the earth. He is the sum total of all Perfect Attributes and He is the Manifestation of every True Praise. He is the source of all that is Good and encompasses all Powers and He is the source of all forms of Beneficence. He is the One to Whom everything returns.””
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1908
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2020/03/17/chashma-e-marifat-quotes-and-background-information/

The word ‘Arsh is written 15+ times.
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1908–March
Malfuzat-10-Urdu, page 31
3:43:46 time stamp

English Malfuzat-10-pages, 224-234
Al-Hakam, vol. 12, no. 21, p. 2–3, dated 22 March 1908

Asmaan is above us (3:43:46 time stamp). In an article entitled, “Arsh Kee Haqiqat” (Reality of the Arsh). Allah is on his Arsh (throne). The throne is where the sphere of creation ended. It’s not a throne like the throne of Kings and etc. The Arsh of Allah is like a station (maqam) and it is above (ala). It is far and beyond, above and above (3:43:55). In conclusion, MGA is arguing that Allah is above his throne (arsh), in the sky, this throne and the sky is above! It is far beyond all of the stations. It exists where there is no interference of creation.

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1944

The Arsh of Allah is mentioned extensively in the ROR of July-1944.
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1953

MGA’s writings on the Arsh of Allah are quoted in the Muslim Sunrise of the 2nd Quarter-1953.

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Links and Related Essay’s

Chashma’-e-Ma‘rifat (May-1908) quotes and background information

What is “Tiryaq ul Qulub” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1899-1902)? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog

MGA said that Muhammad (Saw) hasn’t died, MGA said Muhammad (Saw) is sitting on the right side of Allah, and on the arsh (astagfarullah) – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog

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