Intro
In Nov-2025, the Ahmadiyya Movement in the UK (AMAUK) told lots of lies as they continued to hide the true nature of their beliefs on prophethood and run their business model. On the panel were Maulvi Razi, Hadi Ali Chaudhary (from Canada via zoom), Mansoor Ahmad Zia, Fazl Rahman Nasir and the host is unnamed.
At 1:42:30, Maulvi Razi says that the argument “La Nabiya Badee” is wrong as commentary of “Khatam un Nabiyeen” (See the clip on TikTok and Twitter). Razi alleges that NO sahabi challenged Aiesha (ra) on this. Razi alleges Ijma-sukhuti (consensus via silence). However, in “Eik Ghalti Ka Izala”, MGA specifically used the argument of “La Nabiya Badee” (see page 3).
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At 4:35, the host starts the program without giving his name, this is an Urdu stream.
At 6:50, Mansoor Ahmad Zia starts, he says that Mullahs lie and make false allegations on Ahmadi’s. However, its Muslims who don’t understand. At 8:10, he quotes Malfuzat, page 312. At 9:22, Mansoor Ahmad Zia quotes MGA saying that he is the full moon (hilal).
At 11:09, Mansoor Ahmad Zia presents a reference from MGA via Majmua Ishtiharat, Volume-1, page 296.
At 13:38, Hadi Ali Chaudhary starts, he presents MGA’s argument on May-23-1908, this was about MGA’s prophethood. See Maktubat V-5, pages 542-544. Hadi Ali Chaudhary quoted MGA wherein MGA complained about getting accused of claiming some type of law bearing prophethood. MGA claims to have been given ilm ul ghaib (knowledge of the unseen) more than anyone else (See 72:26).
At 23:33, Hadi Ali Chaudhary admits that the prophecy was only about 1 from Muhammad (saw) and from the Quran, and that 1 is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
At 24:04, Maulvi Razi starts, he quotes Malfuzat. At 26:26, Maulvi Razi says that via the mohr (seal of attestation, aka tasdiq) of Muhammad (saw), prophethood will continue.
At 27:15, Fazl Rahman Nasir starts, he argues that it is nonsense to believe that Muslims can’t receive the ranks of the previous generations. At 28:49, he presents 4:69 as evidence that prophethood continues. Fazl Rahman Nasir quoted Haqiqatul Wahi, pages 29-30. At 31:22, Fazl Rahman Nasir argues that via the mohr of Muhammad (saw), prophethood continues. Fazl Rahman Nasir argues that Muhammad (saw) will do tasdiq of new prophets, even for people becoming shaheed, saleh and sadiq. At 31:43, Fazl Rahman Nasir argues that Muhammad (saw) only did Tasdiq of one prophet, and this can’t be denied, and this door will stay open until the Day of Judgement. At 33:29, while quoting MGA, he is arguing that zilli nubuwwat will remain open until the Day of Judgement.
At 34:50, Mansoor Ahmad Zia starts about “La Nabiya Badi”. At 37:02, he says that did Muhammad (Saw) predict the coming of another prophet? Mansoor Ahmad Zia alleges that Aisha (ra) told people to not call Muhammad (Saw) as “La Nabiya Badi”. At 40:24, he presents the famous hadith about Ali (ra) and the prophethood of Harun (as). At 41:55, he argues that baadi only means while Muhammad (saw) is gone and also right after Muhammad (saw)’s death. At 43:13, what verse of the Quran is this? At 45:10, he argues that baadi means vs. or against? At 46:56, he argues that baadi means directly after Muhammad (Saw) only and no prophets between him and the Messiah (46:49).
At 49:30, Hadi Ali Chaudhary starts, he quoted Ibn Arabi and two bricks, like the Final brick.
At 57:50, Hadi Ali Chaudhary alleges that Hajar Asqalani said that this is for law bearing prophets only.
At 1:03:45, they being talking about the hadith about 30 Dajjals.
At 1:13:45, Fazl Rahman Nasir starts barking, he talks about the last masjid argument.
At 1:29:08, Hadi Ali Chaudhary says that another meaning of “La Nabiyaa Badi” a prophet with the “shawn” of Muhammad (Saw) won’t come.
At 1:32:30, Mansoor Ahmad Zia starts, he says that Muhammad (Saw) is not the finisher of the prophets. Ahmadi’s don’t believe that Muhammad (Saw) finished the cycle of prophets. He argues that prophethood is a good thing, why was it ended? Good things are never ended…1:36:30, he says that to say that NO MORE good (naik) people will come is wrong (See MGA in Tiryaq ul Qulub).
At 1:39:17, Fazl Rahman Nasir quoted Surah Fatiha and made that argument we ask for prophethood. He also quoted dua wherein Ibrahim (as) is named. At 1:39:46, he says that prophethood is a blessing or a grace. At 1:41:34, the Ahmadi Maulvi joked that Muslims wont accept a prophet because their masjids will be shut down. At 1:41:57, he says that if a prophet comes, he must have the “Tasdiq” of Muhammad (saw).
At 1:42:08, Maulvi Razi says that it is important to know what the ijma of the sahaba was (however, MGA did the opposite in terms of the Miraj. Razi then presents the famous fabricated hadith of Aisha (ra), wherein she said don’t say La Nabiya Badee, say Khatam un Nabiyeen. At 1:42:30, Maulvi Razi says that the argument “La Nabiya Badee” is wrong as commentary of “Khatam un Nabiyeen”. Razi alleges that NO sahabi challenged Aiesha (ra) on this. Razi alleges Ijma-sukhuti (consensus via silence). At 1:43:22, Maulvi Razi cries about our argument that No prophet can be born and is mad that we are saying it as such. At 1;44:28, Maulvi Razi quotes Mullah Ali Qari. At 1:44:54, Maulvi Razi quoted Ibn Taymiyah and tried to give the impression that Ibn Taymiyya said that non-law bearing prophets could appear. At 1:45:27, Maulvi Razi argued that Imam Suyuti said that anyone who rips prophethood off of Eisa (as) upon his second coming has done Kufr.
At 1:46:45, Mansoor Ahmad Zia begins to allege that Ahmadiyya is growing. At 1:47:14, Mansoor Ahmad Zia argues that all Muslim firqa’s have come together and are trying to stop the growth of Ahmadiyya. Mansoor Ahmad Zia says that this is another piece of evidence, whenever the truth (Ahmadiyya) comes, there are always some people objecting to it.
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Malfuzat-1, Urdu edition, pages 312-313
Malfuzat-1, Urdu pages 312-313 and Al Hakam, 17 March 1905
Al-Hakam, March-17-1905
This reference was found in the English edition of Malfuzat-7, page 149, however, the text is different.
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Majmua Ishtiharat, V-1, page 296
Dated as Oct-23-1891
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Maktubat V-5, pages 542-544
May-23-1908
The reference
“Dear Mr. Editor,
In the second line of column I, Akhbar-i ‘Am dated May 23, 1908, it has been ascribed to me that in the meeting (held in Lahore) I had denied a claim to prophethood. The correct position is that in this meeting I only repeated what I have been writing in my books and I now declare it again that it is entirely unfounded that I claim prophethood which tantamounts to total severance from Islam meaning thereby that I am an independent prophet and absolve myself from following the Quran, and introduce a new kalimah (formula of faith) of my own, have a different qiblah and hold the law of Islam as abrogated, and forsake the precept and guidance of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). These allegations are not correct. The claim to such a prophethood is heresy to me. This is not for the first time that I refute these accusations but have been writing time and again that I have no claim to such a prophethood and it is a calumny against me. I call myself a prophet because I have been gifted with divine revelation. I profusely receive His communications. He grants my prayers, manifests for me many Unseen matters and discloses to me knowledge about the events to come. Such secrets are disclosed only to the person who earns exclusive nearness to God. I have been named prophet because of the abundance of these qualities. Thus I am a prophet in consonance with the divine command. If I disclaim this privilege, it will be a sin. I cannot deny that God has named me prophet in a particular sense and I stick to it till I depart from this world. I am not a prophet in the sense that I dissociate myself from Islam or abrogate any of its injunctions. I faithfully submit to the dictates of the Quran in word and spirit. No one can dare to abrogate even a jot or tittle of the Quran. I have thus been called a prophet because, in Arabic and in Hebrew, nabi means a person who, on the basis of divine revelation predicts the future events in abundance. And it is this abundance which counts for this epithet just as possession of a penny does not construe riches. God by His grace has granted me immense knowledge of the Unseen and thousands of signs have been manifested at my hands and His favour still continues. I say it not by way of self-praise but in gratitude to Allah’s grace and His assurance that even if the entire world rises against me, He will come to my rescue and that He will stand by me in trials and tribulations and make me dominant over my foes in every respect. This is why Allah has named me nabi. I alone have been granted abundant knowledge of the sciences of the Unseen and frequency of divine communion and communication in this age. Dreaming is a common human experience. A few people receive revelation (ilham) and even do experience a little and turbid knowledge of the Unseen but these communications are few and far between and disclosure of the Unseen matters is ambiguous and obscure. Reasoning and rationale (aql-i saleem) demand that a person who is granted clear revelation and knowledge of the Unseen, free from impurities and flaws, should not be bracketed with people having common and insignificant experience of this phenomenon and should be called by specific name so as to differentiate them from the rest. Therefore, God has given me a distinctive status in calling me ‘prophet’. This is an award of honour bestowed on me to distinguish me from the rest. I am thus a prophet in this sense as well as a follower (ummati) so that the prophecy of our Master and Guide that the coming Messiah will be a follower as well as a prophet, comes true. Otherwise, how could prophet Jesus about whose second advent people are relying on false hopes and vain aspirations can be a follower (ummati) of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)? Would he after descending from heaven, become a Muslim first or would our Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), cease to be the Last Prophet (Khatam al-Anbiya)! Peace be on him who follows the guidance!
Lahore
Ghulam Ahmad
May 23, 1908″
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Al-Badr, May-24, 1908, page 7
Prophethood in Islam — www.aaiil.org
See PDF 5/677
“””I never made any claim of messenger-ship in the sense the Mullahs attribute it to me to incite people. Whatever my claim is of being “inspired-one” (mulham) and warner and of being a follower of the Shariah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), has been the same. There is nothing new in it now”
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Haqiqatul Wahi, RK-22, pages 29-30–urdu edition
See page 36, online English edition
Click to access Haqiqatul-Wahi.pdf
MGA says that only those have the mohr of Muhammad (Saw) can become prophets or saleh, shaheed and siddiq.
At 27:15, Fazl Rahman Nasir starts, he argues that it is nonsense to believe that Muslims can’t receive the ranks of the previous generations. At 28:49, he presents 4:69 as evidence that prophethood continues. Fazl Rahman Nasir quoted Haqiqatul Wahi, pages 29-30. At 31:22, Fazl Rahman Nasir argues that via the mohr of Muhammad (saw), prophethood continues. Fazl Rahman Nasir argues that Muhammad (saw) will do tasdiq of new prophets, even for people becoming shaheed, saleh and sadiq. At 31:43, Fazl Rahman Nasir argues that Muhammad (saw) only did Tasdiq of one prophet, and this can’t be denied, and this door will stay open until the Day of Judgement. At 33:29, while quoting MGA, he is arguing that zilli nubuwwat will remain open until the Day of Judgement.
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