True Islam UK livestream, Nov-2025, Razi and 3 Ahmadi Mullah stooges- LIVESTREAM: True Meaning of the Finality of Prophethood - Part 3

Intro
On Nov-21-25, the True Islam UK Ahmadiyya Maulvi team streamed about the “True Meaning of the Finality of Prophethood – Part 3”. On the panel, the host never gave his name, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar, Maulvi Razi, Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid and Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary. Interestingly, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar didn’t even have a laptop, most likely because he can’t operate a computer. The host seems to be reading off of his laptop.

In this sitting, Maulvi Razi alleged that Muhammad (saw) said that if Allah hadn’t sent Muhammad (saw), he would have sent Umar (ra) in his place (naozobillah)(1:01:14 time stamp)(see on TikTok and Twitter)(see in the below also).

Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar says that Muhammad (Saw) did Tasdiq of MGA’s prophethood (29:54, see also on TikTok and Twitter)(see extended commentary in the below).

–At 35:08, the host reads off an MGA quote (Al-Hakam, vol. 9, no. 20, p. 2, dated 10 June 1905
Via Malfuzat-7, online English edition, 519-524, undated), MGA said that now only that prophet can come who has the “mohr” of Muhammad (saw). Any prophethood independent of Muhammad (saw) is impossible. MGA says that he brought the “Mohr” of nubuwwat and if this aqida is Kufr, he doesn’t care.

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—2:00, the host says that the main question is will there be a prophet after Muhammad (saw).

—2:26, Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid is given a question by the host, the question is, prophethood after Muhammad (saw). Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid says the only difference between Ahmadi’s and Muslims is that Ahmadi’s believe that the person mentioned has already arrived, meanwhile Muslims are waiting. He says that Eisa (as) was called Nabi ullah 4 times in Sahih Muslim.

—7:55, Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid quoted 6:90 of the Quran (6:91 in the Kadiani Koran). At 9:31, he says that MGA said that Muhammad (Saw) had all the qualities of the prophets in him. MGA also argued that he was Musa (as), Eisa (as), Adam (as), Yousaf (as), Ibrahim (as) and Jacob (as). At 10:55, he argues that the offspring of Muhammad (saw) can also reach these heights (can someone double check?). Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid argues that it is in the Quran that Muhammad (saw) is mostly like Ibrahim (as). Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid argues that it is written in Bukhari that the second Messiah will be better than the first. MGA’s soul has already met him? Thus, the messiah would come in Muhammad (saw)’s name. Thus, when MGA came, he came to complete to do the job that the Messiah of the Nasara (Christians)(Eisa?) didn’t do. He quoted “Ainah Kamalate Islam”. Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid argues that MGA said that he made the soul of Eisa (as) happy. Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid quoted MGA referring to himself as Ibrahim (as). At 12:57, he quotes Wasiyyat in terms of Khatam. At 14:09, there was editing. He ends by saying that the one who was supposed to come, has come.

–At 15:33, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar begins trying to explain the Islamic belief on the end of prophets. He makes standard Ahmadi arguments about how the messiah will be a prophet. At 19:15, Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid starts getting messages on his cell phone. At 19:27, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar says that Muhammad (Saw) was the “maseel-e-Musa”. At 24:30, Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid argues that “La Nabiya Badi” means that NO prophet can be “azad” (free) without Muhammad (saw). At 29:39, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar says that only one person was called a nabi in the future by Muhammad (saw), it was a reserved spot. At 29:54, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar says that the future Messiah will have the “tasdiq” (attestation) of the mohr (seal). At 30:55, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar said that those enemies of Ahmadiyya are disrespecting Muhammad (saw) and the Quran, and lying about history and lying in general, when they say that no prophet can come of any type. At 32:54, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar says that in the end, that person came, who was called Nabi-Ullah in hadith by Muhammad (Saw). Does the mohr of khatimiyat do “tasdiq” on this new person?

–At 37:30, Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary answers a prompt from the unnamed host. The host asked him to comment on (Al-Hakam, vol. 9, no. 20, p. 2, dated 10 June 1905, Via Malfuzat-7, online English edition, 519-524, undated). He begins talking about the “Mubashirat” that were promised in a hadith of Muhammad (Saw) (See Sahih al-Bukhari [6989, 7017] and Sahih Muslim (2263). At 46:15, he argues that a roya of a nabi is also Wahi. He called the Isra and Miraaj as a roya. At 51:45, he says that ALL Muslim’s can become the like of prophets. He quotes Abdul Qadir Jilani and argues that ALL muslims have been given the status of prophets, however, they were NOT called a prophet, they didn’t get the name.

At 57:10, the host asks Maulvi Razi to comment on La Nabiya Badi and Umar (Ra) being a nabi. Maulvi Razi asks is there a need for a prophet? Maulvi Razi says that Muslims who are “Ahl e Sunnah Wa Jamaat”, hide their belief in another prophet after Muhammad (saw). He quotes the famous fabricated hadith from Aisha (ra) about the end of prophets, but don’t say NO more prophets. Maulvi Razi argues that Muslims have closed prophethood, not Allah. In terms of the hadith about Umar (ra) not being a prophet, Maulvi Razi alleges that Imam Ahmad Hanbal rejected this hadith in a way. At 1:01:02, Maulvi Razi quoted Kanzul Ummul and alleged that this same hadith, i.e., if Muhammad (Saw) would not have come, it would have been Umar (ra)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi alleges that Ibn Taymiyyah authenticated this hadith. Maulvi Razi alleges that the sayings of Umar (ra) were included into the Quran (naozobillah). Maulvi Razi alleges that Muhammad (Saw) said that if Allah didn’t send him, he would have sent Umar (ra)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi argues that all of these hadith only mean that directly after (and during) Muhammad’s (saw) death, there would be NO prophet. Maulvi Razi argues that in “last days”, a nabi would come.

–At 1:04:12, the hosts asks Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid to comment on “Khilafat” in the Muslim ummah. Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid says that there would be NO prophet directly after Muhammad (saw). Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid says that a Khalifa can also be a Nabi. Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid quoted 38:26 of the Quran (38:27 in the Kadiani Koran) and alleged that Daud was a Khalifa and a prophet. Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid mentions the minhaj of nubuwwat. Muhammad (Saw) is the maseel of Musa (as). At 1:15:00, he called MGA as the Last (Akhri) Khalifa.

–At 1:16:37, the host starts talking again.

–At 1:18:20, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar is prompted by the host to answer about why the Quran says that the deen is complete, why is there a need for a prophet? At 1:21:40, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar argues that ALL Muslims can become the like of prophets, but they won’t get the name. At 1:27:38, Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar argues that there was a need for a prophet, and thus MGA was sent. Maulvi Naseer Ahmad Qamar quoted 12:6 of the Quran (12:7 in the Kadiani Koran). Maulvi Daud Ahmad Abid also spoke and mentioned how Allah once threatened to stop sending prophets after Yousaf (as) (40:34 in the Quran, 40:35 in the Kadiani Koran).

–At 1:35:12, the hosts prompts Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary to speak on Muhammad’s (saw) ummah being the final ummah, Ibn Maja 4077. Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary says that “akhri” doesn’t mean last. Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary says that how is it possible that the LAST MASJID, actually means the last? At 1:44:29, Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary says that “Akhri” means the raising of ranks (bolandee). At 1:46:15, Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary explains how in “Noah’s Ark” (1902), MGA told Ahmadi’s that they are the “Akhree Jamaat”. At 1:47:19, Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary argues that Ahmadi’s are persecuted like the sahaba were. Ahmadi’s are also giving financial sacrifice. In the end, he says that only Ahmadis will go to heaven and all other Muslims will go to Hell.
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Al-Hakam, vol. 9, no. 20, p. 2, dated 10 June 1905
Via Malfuzat-7, online English edition, 519-524, undated

“”The Reason for the Establishment of the Ahmadiyya Movement””

I see that this is the very condition of almost all the scholars at this time. The condition of most of them is reflective of:

لِمَلِمَ تَقُوْلُوْنَتَقُوْلُوْنَ مَامَا لَالَا تَفْعَلُوْنَتَفْعَلُوْن 1
Why do you say what you do not do? (Surah as-Saff, 61:3) [Publisher]

and faith in the Holy Quran is confined only to the lips. Otherwise, people have transgressed beyond the authority of the Holy Quran. It is found in ahadith that a time would come when the Quran would be lifted to heaven. I know for certain that that time has indeed come. Where is the true purity and taqwa [righteousness] that comes from acting upon the Holy Quran today? Why would God have established this Movement if the condition had not become such?

Our adversaries cannot comprehend this, but they will eventually come to see that our truth will become evident like a bright sunny day. God Almighty is Himself preparing a Jama‘at
that will believe in the Holy Quran. Every type of contamination will be cast out from it, and a pure group will be created, and this is that very Jama‘at. That is why I urge you to fully comply with the commandments of God Almighty and bring about such a change in your lives as the Noble Companions [of the Holy Prophet sas] did. It should never happen that someone stumbles upon seeing your condition.

Yes, I also say that it is the duty of every person to dissociate himself from the way of fabrication and falsehood. So, look and examine this Movement on the precept of Prophethood. I know that when the grace of God Almighty descends, and it rains upon the earth, useful and beneficial herbs and plants are brought forth in the world, but poisonous plants are also produced along with them. The word of God Almighty is descending at this time, and the gates of heaven are open. Since a divine Movement has been established, it was essential that false claimants and fabricators accompany it, which lead many astray. Therefore, it is the duty of every person at this time to pray for success in this endeavour and remain engaged in prayers. Our Movement is based on definitive texts of the Quran and Hadith.

Then, to support and affirm this Movement, Allah the Exalted has given us a seal of earthly and heavenly Signs. Remember well that a person who comes from God Almighty is given a seal, and that is the seal of Muhammad, which the short-sighted opponents have failed to comprehend. I say with great certainty and conviction that the excellences of Prophethood climaxed upon the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. That person is a liar and a fabricator who establishes any dispensation in opposition to him, presents any truth after parting ways from his prophethood, and abandons the fountain of his prophethood. I declare openly that the person is cursed who believes in someone apart from the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, to be a prophet and breaks his Khatam-e-Nubuwwat [Seal of Prophethood].

This is indeed the reason why no such prophet can come after the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, who does not have that same seal of Muhammad’s prophethood. This is indeed the mistake made by the Muslims who have an opinion different from us, and they bring down the Israeli Prophet from heaven by breaking the seal of Khatme-Nubuwwat. In contrast, I say that it is but a small miracle of the power of holiness of the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and his sas eternal prophethood that even after 1300 years, the Promised Messiah comes with that same seal of [Muhammad’s] prophethood in his Ummah, trained and educated by him.

If this belief is kufr [disbelief ], then I cherish this kufr. But these people whose minds are enveloped in darkness, who have not been given a share of the light of Prophethood, cannot comprehend it and call it kufr, whereas it is that which proves the excellence and continuity of life of the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.

“”Signs for the Support and Affirmation of the Appointees of God””

In short, Allah the Exalted gives a sign of prophethood to every Appointee [of God] and righteous person, and these are those earthly and heavenly Signs that appear in his support and attest to his truth. It is the grace of God that He has shown, not one or two, but millions upon millions of Signs for my support and validation, if only they could see.

Then there are rational arguments to support and validate me and the truth of this Movement. Alas! If these people were not familiar with the Quranic texts and ahadith and could not see the earthly and heavenly Signs that were manifested at my hand as proof of my veracity, they could have at least used their intellects. It is precisely concerning such people that mention is made in the Holy Quran that when they will enter Hell, their eyes will open up, and they will become aware of their mistake.

Then they will say: Surah al-Mulk, 67:11 [Publisher]

Alas! If we had listened and then acted wisely, we would not have become inmates of Hell.

“””Need of the Time as an Argument

I say that even if other matters are not considered, the need of the time alone is such that it sets a seal upon my truth. At this time of upheaval and war, when Christians have decided to annihilate Islam and are attacking it from every direction and in every way, they are publishing thousands upon hundreds of thousands of newspapers and magazines against it because Islam is an obstacle and a barrier in their way. Islam alone adds bitterness to their [life of ] luxury. The newspapers of Europe proclaim it openly, and their top advisers and analysts identify Islam as the only obstacle in their progress. In such a situation, how can the people who live in their reclusive huts know and understand the extent to which Christians are focused on the total destruction of Islam? They see that every day a few people become Muslims. They think that Islam is progressing. They are unaware of the attacks taking place on the holy religion of Islam in different ways. The extremely destructive fire of Christianity has already engulfed the house of Islam: 2.9 million [Muslims] have already succumbed to this fire. They were born in Muslim households and were counted as the dear children of Islam but now stand and preach in opposition to the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. These are those who are open enemies.

Then there is a large number of people who have not openly become Christians, but there is no doubt in this either that they have no love or attachment to Islam. They laugh and mock the beliefs and practices of Islam. They are engaged daily in trying somehow to modify the commandments of Islam regarding Prayer and Fasting as far as possible and to create such an Islam that is of their liking and designed by them, which they are the founders of, even if it is apart from the Islam taught by the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. The condition of these people is not far behind the Christians in any way. They openly wear their uniform. I do not understand why they wear the uniform of the enemy of the Faith if they have love and affection for Islam.

“”Test this Truth against the Standard of the Prophetic Precept

If someone hates our Jama‘at, so be it. However, at the very least, out of jealousy for the honour of Islam and on account of the current state of Islam, it is also absolutely necessary that such an individual search and identify the Jama‘at that is engaged in breaking the Cross with proofs and arguments and fresh Signs and miracles of God Almighty. Nevertheless, I proclaim that no matter where you go—east, west, north, south—you will not find a trace of any such Jama‘at except mine. This is so because God Almighty has sent only me as His Appointee for this purpose.

Upon hearing my claim, do not act out mistrust and mischief. Rather, you should ponder upon it and gauge its veracity upon the standard of prophetic precept. A man who buys a pot for even as little as a penny still takes care of it. Then why do they start to hurl abuse immediately upon hearing our words without giving it serious thought? This is a highly inappropriate matter . Evaluate my claim in the way that I have proposed. And then, if you find me to be a liar even by using this method, you can abandon me with regret. But I tell you most assuredly that I am not a fabricator. I am not a liar.

Rather, I am that very one promised by the Prophets, to whom the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, has sent his salam [salutation of peace]. I am that very Promised Messiah who was to come in the 14th century and who is also the Mahdi. Only he accepts me whom Allah the Exalted grants the seeing eye through His grace. This Jama‘at is now growing day by day. God desires for it to grow, and so it will grow. And grow it definitely will.
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Kishti e Nuh, RK-19, page-15
Noah’s Ark, Online English edition, page 25

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At 1:46:15, Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary explains how in “Noah’s Ark” (1902), MGA told Ahmadi’s that they are the “Akhree Jamaat” (last community).