Intro
Qadianism is visibly dying at the West Coast Jalsa Salana-2024 #WCJS2024 #WestCoastJalsa. Less than 400 in attendance. Check out my video on this.
The official Ahmadiyya number (via the mouth of Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad, 3:41:16 time stamp) of Ahmadi’s who attended is calculated at roughly 322 Ahmadi’s. Official Attendance at the #WCJS2024 is 1,959/3=653 per day, 1047 women, 912 men. 112 International guests, Non-Ahmadi guests 210, which means, 653-322=333 Ahmadi’s attended.
Check out Khurram vs. Sohail Ahmad. It should be noted that Khurram is working as “Qaid Tabligh” and thus semi-official. He is most likely a regional office holder and thus on some national advisory committee as well. Khurram is known for kissing up and getting mid-positions in the Jamaat hierarchy. It was also reported that on May-6th, Ahmadi’s distributed 20k “Messiah has Come” flyers!
Highlights from Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad’s introductory speech
On Day-1, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad (reading a message from the Khalifa and MGA and giving personal commentary) said to bear witness against your fathers if they are following injustice (1:37:14). Ahmadi’s are immersed in this material world (1:37:37). The actions of words of Ahmadi’s reflects love of this world (1:37:53). Ahmadi’s aren’t praying (1:38:50 timestamp). 40-60% of Ahmadi’s aren’t praying (1:39:44). Adopt a life of hardship (1:39:58). Impose a death upon yourself (1:42:29). Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad called the majority of Ahmadi’s as bad and worldly (1:45:12). Some Ahmadi’s have also fell in love with the world (dunya)(1:45:19). Ahmadi’s can’t be righteous if their family isn’t also righteous (1:46:08). Most Ahmadi’s are completely ignorant (1:47:04), then he said many. Ahmadi’s are more concerned with this world and how their children are going to excel in worldly education, how much money they might make? Thier status? What degree they could get, PhD? MD? JD? Ahmadi parents don’t care to ask if their kids are praying 5 times a day, while home or outside just hanging out. He warns Ahmadi’s about hypocrisy and double dealings (1:49:10). He accuses Ahmadi’s of living to please people. He warns Ahmadi’s: “Safeguard your Progeny against Ruin”(1:50:05). In other words, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad is warning Ahmadi’s that if they don’t brainwash their children to be hard core Ahmadi…they will be ruined. He then alleges that if any Ahmadi stop praying 5 times a day, they will be ruined. At 1:52:29, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad tells Ahmadi children that if their parents leave Ahmadiyya, go against them! He said strive to be a religious nut (see on Tiktok and twitter).
Day-2 started off super dead, in fact, 60% of the seats were empty. Sherjeel Rauf (working as Qaid in the LA area) gave a speech on the life of Charles Sievwright (aka Sheikh Abdul Haqq).
MGA presented himself as a prophet to a Christian. He mentions that Mirza Tahir Ahmad dreamt of waves and waves of people joining Ahmadiyya. He then alleges that so many people were converting to Ahmadiyya, Mirza Tahir Ahmad said “bas karo” (stop it). He was missing, 1924 to 1934, Mahmud was called a prophet, the qadiani Khalifa was close to the USA government.
On Day-3, 3:46:35, he accuses Ahmadi’s of living in a contradiction. He said be a true unitarian!
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Day-2 speech
Day-2 started off super dead, in fact, 60% of the seats were empty. Sherjeel Rauf (working as Qaid in the LA area) gave a speech on the life of Charles Sievwright (aka Sheikh Abdul Haqq). He mentions that Mirza Tahir Ahmad dreamt of waves and waves of people joining Ahmadiyya. He then alleges that so many people were converting to Ahmadiyya, Mirza Tahir Ahmad said “bas karo” (stop it).
Scans
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Day-3 speech
At 2:36:35, Qudus Malik alleged that Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad didn’t abandon Qadian in some weird argument. This is incorrect, he left Qadian in shambles. Qudus Malik continues to argue that Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad saved Qadian.
Qudus Malik alleges that in 1948, Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad met with the US Consulate General (2:39:15) and his team at Rattan Bagh. Remarkably, the US Consulate General sent a cable to the Secretary of State George C. Marshall. The title of the letter was “Hazrat Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad”. At 2:40:00, Qudus Malik argued that Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad complained about Ahmadiyya missionaries not getting access to the USA. At 2:40:58, Qudus Malik said that Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad once said that without Khilafat, you can’t have zakat or salat. Qudus Malik read out the cable which strangely presented Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad as a prophet in his own right. At 2:42:54, Qudus Malik said that the Ahmadi Khulafa don’t care if Ahmadi’s understand their importance or not. At 2:43:20, Qudus Malik admits to speaking to refugee Ahmadi’s stuck in Thailand and Malaysia. At 2:43:41, he says Ahmadi’s have gotten asylum and are making money now and it owe it all to Khilafat.
At 2:44:11, Qudus Malik read out the letter from the US Consulate General to Secretary of State George C. Marshall. In the letter, it is stated on Dec-16-1948, Council Cootz and himself were invited for tea with Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad. They observed that Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad is a prophet in his own right, has authentic visions and holds the position as pope or Holy father. At 2:46:11, Ahmadiyya are a persecuted minority. At 2:46:35, Zafrullah Khan is mentioned as a successful Ahmadi. At 2:46:57, Ahmadiyya claims to have 800,000 to 1 million members in India and all other countries. At 2:47:35, he alleges that there are 1000 converts to Ahmadiyya in the USA by 1948.
Qudus Malik
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Other Attendees
Who is Harris Zafar??? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
Who is Maulvi Hadi Ali Chaudhary? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
Shazad Shah is secretly on twitter as @JcatShahid10992 – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
—Why is Hadi Ali Chaudhary there? Muhammad Ahmad Chaudhary, Amir Shah and his son. Harris Zafar, Amjad Khan, Ahsan Khan, Munir Mirza, Waqas Mirza, his father, uncle, son and younger brother. Imam Mubasher Ahmad. Mahershala Ali (famous actor). Shazad Shah, his 5 kids, his father.
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Review of K’s videos.
–4:52, we think we have something.
—5:05, taking short cuts? Ahmadiyya pocketbook?
—5:17, MGA’s books front to back? Most Ahmadi’s havent read anything.
—6:20, grabs the message book, by Ataullah Jafar Sabani, the message, he is a Shia.
–7:35, Khurram says that the Chief of the hypocrites apostated, Abd Allah ibn Ubayy, then Khurram says, maybe all didn’t apostate. Did they find this at a book fair? Assurances of not being harmed.
—9:17, MGA changed his beliefs on “khaas ilham”, not reading books. Abrogation? Change in Qibla? It’s not in the Quran, only in hadith.
—9:39, can’t read Arabic, can’t read Urdu. NO knowledge on the subject matter? I’m actually a scholar in real life!
10:10, 150 accounts muted on twitter.
10:56, a prophet can’t work for someone! Muhammad (Saw) worked for Khadija. He didn’t let Raoof finish. A prophet can’t be born wherein his religion isn’t dominate? That’s like a norm.
11:54, Qadianism is different from Islam, per K2. Khurram agrees! Colonialism pitted Muslims against each other. Even now! In the Mughal Empire, there was no division, shia-ism was semi banned too.
13:05, Islam or the sword.
13:30, Khurram is finally reading “Elucidation of Objectives”, it says therein that Muhammad (Saw) won’t be a prophet upon his return. This was abrogated. Istifa? Is that in English? What book is that inside of? “The need of the Imam? Other people were receiving ilham. Tohfa Nadwa, Tohfa Qasiriyya. The honor of the Anbiya. Izala Auham, v-1. MGA says 10,000 Messiahs. MGA and harsh language. These are facts.
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West Coast Jalsa and the books of the Promised Messiah by Khurram Shah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zejBFkMKnEc
- 4:56 says that “people don’t do research and don’t now how to read urdu”
- Then Says “to understand MGAs book you have to read it front to back”.
-Makes no sense.
- 6:19 Grabs a book called The Message/ Not Tafsir Ibn Kathir, thinking he has the answer to the question raised by Brother Imtiaz and Brother Adnan.
English Translation:
“In the narration of Hudaibiyah , Tafsir Ibn Kathir says that many truthful men apostatized.”
a.)
-The book Tafsir Ibn Kathir is mentioned.
-You can see MGA is also saying many Sahaba apostatized according to Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
-Referring back to point 2 you don’t need to read all of MGAs books to understand what he is saying here.
b.) After that he goes on to say Mohammad (SAW) of his own accord changed the Kabba and links it with MGAs changing his belief about Isa(AS).
c.) Then starts talking about the abrogation of the Quran.
d.) 9:34 starts talking about Brother Bashir saying:
“um people who don’t have knowledge they use these arguments, and then ,and then there’s a lot of uh a lot of those who ,come on act like they have knowledge, they can’t read Arabic um I think everyone knows what I’m talking about uh, can’t read Arabic can’t read Udu have no knowledge on the subject matter and and ,they want to be um some sort of YouTube Scholars”
4.) 10:11 starts talking about social media.
5.) 10:54 says “prophet can’t work for someone you know”
a.) Kurram here is referring to a question I asked him on 26OCT24 “ why did mirza say “I Beg to remain,Sir, your most obedient servant MGA , Chief of Qadian, Panjab.”” To which Kurram replied Yusaf (AS) was also a slave.
b.) MGA is willing to be a salve of is on accord and is begging to be one.
c.) In MGA was a “house Negro”. The reason I used this word is to explain who MGA was.
d.) Yusaf(AS) was sold as a slave not of free will, He had no choice in the matter.
6.) 11:03 says “argument a comment that a prophet can’t be born in a in a place where um where his religion is not dominant”
– We Muslims have not used this argument against the Ahmadiyya/Qadiani’s.
7.) 11:16 says “so they make up their own rules and that’s the other thing is that we’re dealing with people who make up their own rules and come up with their own like twisted uh ideas which uh really don’t make any sense I know the”
-Khurram must have been talking about MGA and his Jammat here.
8.) 11:40 Mentions his exchange with Brother Raoof on Twitter(X).
– Brother Raoof asked Khurram to explain:
“Al Fazl August 21, 1917, p.8
“They have their own Islam and we have our own Islam. They have their own God and we have our own God. They have their own Hajj and we have our own Hajj. We have a disagreement with them in everything.
- What Islam is he talking about?
- Which God is he talking about?
- Which Hajj is he talking about?
- What are these disagreements?
There is only one Islam , there is only One God Allah and there is only one Hajj so what is he talking about?”
Check the Blog for more References.
-Then accuses brother Raoof of not reading and only using notes.
-Then mentions Razi and teaching about how the muslims have a different God and Islam.
9.) 12:46 says “we believe in the prophet Muhammad (SAW) who was merciful, He was a he was a Mercy For All Mankind you don’t believe that”
-accuses the Muslims of not believing in Mohammad(SAW) was a Mercy for all of mankind.
10.) 14:35 says MGA wrote a letter to the Queen inviting her to Islam? Did this really happen?
In conclusion waffled his tail off for 17:40s no actual proof was ever given.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________Day-1 of the 2024 #WCJS2024 (West Coast Jalsa Salana-2024) has concluded. On Day-1, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad called the majority of Ahmadi’s as bad and worldly. Here are some other things that he said:
—most Ahmadi’s only care about their children getting worldly success.
—Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad said that Ahmadi’s must live a life of hardship!—On May-6th, Ahmadi’s distributed 20k “Messiah has Come” flyers!
Khurram Shah met up with Shazad Shah and proved that there is NO AHMADI PERSECUTION, it was all a lie!
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Day-3
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Links and Related Essay’s
Less than 400 in total attendance at the #WCJS2024 West Coast Jalsa Salana-2024
Sohail Ahmad vs. Khurram Shah #WestCoastJalsa #WCJS2024 – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
https://x.com/MessiahHas_Come/status/1871344768610922743
Qaid Tabligh USA (@QaidTablighUSA) / X
https://www.youtube.com/live/BiDHuYZpXxA?si=K3A4FcRn8513zdPf
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