Intro
Ak Shaikh is reporting (44:58 timestamp) how Nida‘s friend, Hibba Qureshi leaked the audio and now hates Nida. Hibba Qureshi is the daughter of Dr. Wali Shah and her mother is Ruhee Shah.
Ak Shaikh also reported that hos Mirza Nasir Inam Ahmad is the Principal of Jamia Ahmadiyya in the UK. He seems to be a descendant of the Mirza family and a contender for the khilafat.
2 years ago, we think Hibba joined the reddit forum and wrote, see herein and here.
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I can no longer stay silent : islam_ahmadiyya (reddit.com)
I can no longer stay silent

I dont know what I will write here, or how I am going to begin. I just need to say what I need to say because I cant hold it inside anymore. Recent months have been agony for me. People wont know how much. I have hated myself, I have cried, I have hard dark thoughts and several emotional breakdowns. Its just been so tough. My spouse has witnessed all of this and been a comfort. Nothing matters anymore though, nothing is enough, and I dont know what to do. It feels like these Reddit pages are my only possible outlet to say what I want so I am going to share this on them.
Before I say anything else, this isnt about Ahmadiyyat for me, or endless religion debates, or any of that. I dont care. I dont want to care. I have been removed from my old life, and the old people in the London Jamats I grew up with for years. I have my own life. At least I thought I did.
Everything I am about to say is about the current CASE and everything that is being said about it since the video leak. It is something I have been intimately associated from the beginning. I am not going to name the alleged victim or the alleged perpetrators, because unlike all the social media idiots who are using this for their own agendas, there is an ongoing case and everything said in public prejudices that. May be this will too. I dont know, I am not a lawyer. I dont know anything. I just cant stay silent anymore though.
I have chosen to say my piece now for many reasons. One is that I have suffered my own abuse in my life. Its different in kind but I know what its like not to be believed, to have to fend off stupid questions like why didnt you tell anyone and all of those kind of things, and I dont want that when all the stories and web of lies are revealed, and they will be, for this to ruin it for other people. I hate the fact that when everything comes out, all the keyboard warriors will scamper away, and forget about this, while their agendas will have done untold damage to the cause of other victims.
I have no love for anyone involved. Almost. I loved the fourth caliph very much. He loved me too and he was a good man. I once had love for N but I dont know what to think about her anymore. I dont have much to say about the current caliph because I never really got to know him and have gone whole years without even meeting him. Theres just always been a distance which I havent been able to bridge.
For now I am not going to reveal everything I know. If I feel I need to I will come forward with my real identity, maybe I will go to the police. I am not sure how this works legally. I could just give them the evidence I have and they can deal with it. It will be their problem then. I haven’t decided that yet. I will probably do nothing. Who knows.
Here is everything that I want to say for now. All of this is true and I am not the only person who knows these things. They are easily verified.
– A couple of years after the fourth caliph died N’s parents got divorced. It was very publicaly an unhappy marriage. Anyone who ever visited the old mission house saw that. mostly because of N’s “Baba”. After the divorce which happened in Pakistan N and one of her brothers chose to live with their dad in England, and the older brother stayed with their mum. I know lots of people encouraged N to live with her mother, but she always refused. She used to say the most vile and horrible things about her mum. You cant even imagine. That poor woman. I also know the current caliph told her to live with her mum too. But she didn’t listen to him either. This happened for years. She will tell you herself. Another time I remember her saying even if the caliph ordered her to live with her mum she wouldnt. There werent any accusations at the time. Her dad was a moron, but even I never suspected anything like this and N never hinted anything. I dont know the hidden truth. I just know she didnt listen to anyone and freely chose to live with her dad for years.
– N made her accusations in Spring. I dont know when exactly. She told me a little later than other people. She seemed happy with the response of her family and even said that when she told the caliph he got emotional. She said he was helping her and being her support. I know he spoke to her for months and she was happy with him. I dont know what went wrong. She never told me that. There were some of her cousins in Pakistan who she said werent being supportive. I just told her to ignore them. They needed time to adjust to the news and not everyone was going to believe her.
– I know that I didnt sleep properly for weeks after she told me these things. I couldnt handle it. I have suffered my own things in my life, but this was enormous. I couldnt come to terms with it. Even now sometimes when someone touches me I flinch. Its sickening to me.
– Something, somewhere along the line changed. The things she started saying became more threadbare. She even started making petty allegations against those supporting her. Stupid things. Then there were inconsistencies. The last time I spoke to her there were outright lies. There came a point where I could no longer lie to myself out of sense of obligation of believing the victim. She even began saying things about the fourth caliph whose name she is so happy to use now, not just to me but to other people. She really dragged him. Her supposedly beloved “Abba”. We would talk about it amongst ourselves. The whole thing became really uncomfortable. Once when she was raging about the fourth caliph I told her I couldnt listen to it anymore and shut her down. She was just lying, saying things she could say about him in public which she knew werent true. When I began to question her about the other accusations and the things that didnt make sense or add up she got angry with me and blocked me. We havent spoken since. Quite a few of us are blocked now. But our doubts were and are real. I know that after a while even those of her family who believed her stopped believing and she bagan to say things about them. Her problems with the current caliph started when he began to doubt too.
– I know that a police investigation has been lodged in Kingston or Sutton or one of these areas. I think its Kingston. I know the police have already interviewed some people. I know the police told her to not talk about the case to journalists or the press but shes not listening clearly, which feeds my doubts and makes me wonder how much justice she actually wants. When things started getting bad and more public, I spoke to a lawyer. The advice I got was to stay away. They didnt think I would be involved and they didnt think there was going to be case because it had already become too prejudiced mainly because of that idiot journalist she is talking to and the Youtube people. They are just using her and she is letting him. They dont care. None of them do. The prophethood guys or anyone. If they cared they wouldnt have been responsible and followed the procedures but they didnt. If they really want to help her why dont they pay for her lawyers or something like that instead of damaging the case.
– There were always red flags. N lied a lot to a lot of us quite a lot of the time. Mostly about money. But other things too like cheap gossip about everyone. When youve known someone that long you ignore a lot of their things but we all knew about the lies and exaggerations. But that was just N being N. I think she picked it up from her dad. We all of us overlooked a lot. She was from a broken home and N just has a way of patching things up with you again until the next set of lies. There were other weird things too. She is, at least was, randomly abusive to children. She would just hit them or torture them and then laugh about it and give them sweets. I never saw it, but she would sometimes laugh about the things that she would do the kids of her mums servants in Pakistan when she would go spend time with her. I would just try and change the subject. I should have called her out.
– I know its not just the caliph she has recorded. She has phone recordings of other people too including her friends. Are they friends. I dont know. But she does this a lot because everything about her is transactional and she cant even deny it because she has sent these voice recordings to a lot of us. I can easily share them but I dont want to be dirty about this. Less dirty than her anyway.
– I know that there are so many other people she isnt talking about. People she has tried to entrap or marriages she has ruined. A couple of years ago she tried to coerce a very famous vlogger (AR) into marrying her. She cant deny that because I have the messages. He cant deny it either. Let them try. I know that when the vlogger freaked out and tried to back away she said quite a lot of stuff about him too. He is another one who needs to watch his back and so do all the women whose husbands are friends with her. I could take so many names.
I cant deal with the lies anymore. I wish she had never told me any of this. I wish I had never known her or any of this. I hate msyelf. I am in so much agony, and so conflicted about writing all of this. My spouse knows everything and has seen all the messages and other disgusting things I cant even talk about. They have told me so many times I dont have to do this. They have seen all my emotional breakdowns. The whole thing is just a con trick. I cant keep it in anymore.
The thing I hate the most is that the truth, if anything like that exists will never really come out. I am no legal expert but I know the case is dead. Thats what the people who know have told me. And its dead because of N herself and these moron journalists and Youtubers. Even if they wanted to report on this stuff they could have done it without exploiting it. None of these people will have to live with this trauma like those of us close to everything will. They will just use N and move on to the next thing. I could share audios and screenshots myself here or anywhere I suppose, but for now I am not going to. Let N and her new found supporters and the alleged perpetrators deal with everything. They can all go to hell for all I care.
I very much loved the fourth caliph. I have so many insecurities and he was the only person who I felt ever believed in me. A beautiful man. I hate that this happening and seeing his name associated with this. The current caliph I dont really know. I have some sympathy for him because unless N was lying to us about the other stuff, he did try and help her. For a long time actually. Even before the allegations. I know he lost faith in her eventually, but thats a guilt a lot of us share.
Do not expect me to respond to any comments or questions. I wrote this for me and for the hatred I feel towards everything right now. I have said what I wanted to. Mostly anyway. There is nothing that can be done. But if these lies and deceptions harm future victims thats not on me. I have said my bit.
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Lajna have suffered for generations and it’s time to speak about your abuse. So if you have information you should report it.
Regardless of weather Nida is telling the truth or not. This jamaat should not be a safe haven for abusers. In regards to your personal information around Nida’s childhood and personality traits you are pointing out (BPD and PTSD): lots of child sexual abuse victims have similar traits and often fathers that abuse their kids groom them with love/affection/presents/toys etc to continue to abuse them. Which is why she may have wanted to live with him.
I remember a victim once telling me. “I hate pancakes, because every time my stepfather would rape me, the next morning he would make me pancakes. For years I thought it was my fault because I let him buy me expensive things in exchange for sex not realizing I was the child and he was the adult/abuser”.
Rape isn’t always a violent crime.. many times it’s an emotionally abusive/coercive crime.

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Thank you for this. This post verges on victim blaming with the stuff about Nida going back to her father.

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Children that are abused for long periods of time experience complex-ptsd that sometimes looks like bpd.. some become repeated victims of abuse.. because my of their past trauma. We call this re-victimization.
https://cptsdfoundation.org/2019/09/03/what-is-complex-post-traumatic-stress-disorder-cptsd/ Additional resources.

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Newly created account, trying best to misguide people. Murrabis are out of shock now and doing their best.
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·2 yr. ago·edited 2 yr. ago
I’m sorry that you have been suffering. I highly recommend that you seek professional help and talk to the police. I’m not sure where you are, otherwise I would provide resources that you could access for help.
However, I would like to humbly address the people here; please, please I implore you to be cognizant of the fact that it is very easy to jump to conclusions just because it seems like Nida is not an ‘ideal victim’ of sexual violence and abuse, according to the post.
OP is insinuating that Nida might be lying about the abuse just because she has allegedly lied about other things in her life which are not directly related to the incidents mentioned in the audio call. Although I completely empathize with OP, this post is coming off as a personal attack against Nida.
People of this sub; know that anything you write here, from the comfort of your homes, could potentially have real life implications for other people. Victims of abuse should be heard and respected even if they don’t conform to your standards of morality.
Edit: Grammar

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It doesn’t seem like an attack at all. It just sounds like someone telling their experience- what they’ve actually witnessed, heard, and seen. Someone who knows N, unlike all us.
Sometimes things aren’t what we want to hear but that doesn’t make it an attack.

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N May have wanted to live in England because all her friends and social life is there. Who wants to live in a country like Pakistan if you are so used to the great experiences growing up in the west?
I can understand why she may have chosen not to go to Pakistan with her mum

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If what was happening was true I would hope she would have left, changed her mind, listened to Huzoor, etc

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Cleverly veiled victim blaming. Bravo. I hope you get as much compassion for your suffering as you are showing in this post.

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·2 yr. ago·edited 2 yr. ago
This story has the potential to change perception of the members of this subreddit about Nida. Please go to the law enforcement to seek justice for yourself, don’t go to the Khalifa as you already know he will try to silence you.
Anyhow, the account that posted this was created just four hours ago. First two comments in support of the post are from those who created their account 1 and 10 days ago.
Take your evidences to the police (if you have any), if you don’t care about any of it then it doesn’t make sense why you spent so much time to write this long story and are also not ready to answer any questions. I feel sorry for the trauma you faced in your personal life. I hope you gather the courage like Nida to raise it on the right platform, even though she was pressured not to take this matter outside but she still gathered the strength to move against all the odds.

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Funny how you are quick to judge if this person has any evidences, but you are not only believe but promote that N has all the evidence while you have see none….Hypocrisy is real.

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Nida shared the evidences with the Khalifa and he acknowledged that. He also said that evidences are not considered according to Shariya and went on and on about the importance of 4 witnesses. He also commented on some of the evidences she gave him. Do you think Khalifa was lying, pretending that he received the evidences and sent them forward to get comments from the accused?
Also Nida came forward with real identity. Imagine I started accusing you, without revealing my identity and without providing any evidence. Would that be fair?

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“ I know that I didnt sleep properly for weeks after she told me these things. I couldnt handle it. I have suffered my own things in my life, but this was enormous. I couldnt come to terms with it. Even now sometimes when someone touches me I flinch. Its sickening to me.”
How do you think Nida feels? If these allegations are enough to make you sick how do you think she feels having experienced that abuse? Look, no-one is under any pretence that Nida, or anyone, is a perfect victim. But you have come here and posted publicly about things which you are rightly annoyed about. Yet not a single time have you stated that you believe Nida – a person you have known for a long time by your account. Do you equate lying about money and being gossipy to publicly coming out and claiming you have been abused by your father? If you truly did care about Nida and other victims of abuse, you wouldn’t just say “let the legal system deal with it” when you know most legal cases fail. Most abusers get away with it. You can’t even bring yourself to say “I believe Nida” before going on about her various character flaws (according to you).
You spend a lot of time in this post criticizing Nida. Okay. But you say you care about other victims but also don’t have a single thing to say about KMV’s shameful victim-blaming approach in that call. If you actually cared about the victims then you would criticise the man in power as well, not just your friend who has treated you badly.
If you have such a problem with other people and their agendas (and most people on this sub are against Khatme Nabuwwat weaponizing this issue), then why don’t you outline what you think about Jamaat’s treatment of Nida’s case and other sexual assault cases. The past 20 days has seen an explosion in people talking about these things, because of Nida’s bravery. You could have contributed to that but instead, you chose to fail to stand with someone you knew for a long time, and don’t criticize the way KMV handles this.

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A few comments:
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It is your duty to go to police if you have any relevant evidence. Not doing so is against N as well as Jamaat. Justice needs to be serves and hiding evidence means avoiding justice.
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You seem pissed off that youtube and news have been publishing relevant content. Why are you upset? Why do you think it will harm the case?
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You have tried to prove that N has psychological problems. You might be right. Children facing sexual abuse will definitely have problems. This doesn’t make the CASE weaker. Luckily, British police is involved. They will take it from here. Much better than misogynistic khalifa saying if you dont bring 4 witnesses, culprit can’t be punished. This is not 7th century Arabia anymore. Jamaat is not above the state, neither does it have any responsibility to provide justice. N should have gone directly to police instead of going to Khalifa.
Anyways…

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I don’t know you, but I knew N for a few years after she moved to Pakistan before we had a falling out. A lot of what you say rings true to my experiences with her. I haven’t mentioned it anywhere because I don’t want to sound like I’m victim blaming.
A lot of her behavior from past in which she burned a lot of people makes sense now that we know what trauma she might have gone through. Her trauma has not only affected her, it has impacted those around her too, those who genuinely cared for her. I hope she finally finds justice and, more importantly, inner peace to put her demons to rest.

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I truly hope you find the strength to go public with your experience with Nida. Thousands of people are frustrated and feel their world have turned upside down because of this case. I would say many of us are in pain because of this.
Wish you healing and strength!
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Submit your proofs to the actual authorities so that this matter gets settled. But jmaat can’t wash its hands from so many other things Going on in the system. This Reddit page is not just about N now.

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Moderator Note: This post was originally removed pending enough moderators reviewing the highly charged content, just as we had done with the original leaked audio call.
We take moderation seriously. Our moderators spanning multiple time zones across the globe still need to consult with each other while making a determination on highly charged posts.
The overwhelming majority of posts we end up removing are those which are insulting to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at by virtue of making unsubstantiated claims against individuals. In fact, it’s because of that phenomenon that we had explicitly created Rule 13:
Rule 13: No posts about Ahmadi Muslims “doing bad things”
To claim we are censoring content that allegedly exonerates the Jama’at while only allowing content that offers criticism, is seriously uninformed.
For more on why this post was originally flagged, and why discussion on the fallout from Nida’s case is generally permitted here, please read our full statement, in this pinned post:
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·2 yr. ago·edited 2 yr. ago
Why do you need to hate yourself and cry, emotional breakdowns? I mean if the case is in process let it be normally processed and let’s wait for the verdict why you started blaming her and trying to prove her wrong?
We don’t care if she is lying all we care is what Masroor have told her about Witnesses stuff which is clearly a lie and forcing her stay silent.. I don’t think anywhere here trust N. all we say how dumb is the guy she is talking too.
Amir k pass tum khud gye thi osne try ki andar ni gya tha tmhary. Masroor is saying this in the audio..
Newly created account, trying best to misguide people. Murrabis are out of shock now and doing their best.
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This whole incident is so incredibly messy! I at such a distance was emotionally disturbed so much due to it, confused and in pain. I have this emotional obligation to be with the abused/ alleging of abuse and this is something comes out of me naturally. I have read that 95% of the abused victims are telling the truth but in case… In case if this is among the 5% or even 1 % who are not… I mean yes innocent until proven guilty.. But for me atm the people who are accused seem incredibly powerful people who can harm others. And this notion has emotions associated with it, I agree. But since I don’t know the truth, I feel uncomfortable about the people accused. What I mean to say, it is really dirty from all directions! If she was indeed abused by all of these, it is disturbing.. If she is lying…it is disturbing and also I don’t think so the people accused can get their image cleared in near future because such allegations hit people emotionally! The people who are using it for their own agendas.. This AK Sheikh guy..this feels so extremely disturbing… about the world we live in.. Selfish people exploiting sensitive things for their own gains whether it be the people who abuse others, those who lie or those who exploit a situation for their own gain. And another thing that is disturbing is how the Ahmadis like us are not communicated well. My mother said, may be Hazur said that Four witnesses thing to calm her down in that isolated incident as we don’t know the context…Even if that were the case, this thing had become dirty really badly… Because then 4 witnesses thing had become an official stance of Jamat. It is so messed up. I hope that everyone involved gets justice. I really hope that Jamat listen to those confused and instead of condemning us understand that this is really a trouble thing for people.

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You’re not “sure how things work legally” but you “spoke to a lawyer” 😂😂 which is it? Seems like people are getting desperate so they’re trying to muddy the weather with red herrings like this. It’s like a really bad episode of Game of Thrones. All this shows is that the Jamaat is just a political playground for the Mirza Family.

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You wouldn’t speak to a lawyer seeking advice and then not know what the process is. So how about you try again 😂

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This is an eye opener.
First of all, I’m sorry for the abuse you have endured in life and I advise you RIGHT AT THIS moment to go and report it to the police.

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Seems a work art of a murrabi on payroll silently and subliminally trying to whitewash the actual accusations with personality traits of the supposed victim … while forgetting that all arguments portrait on N are actually supportive of her claims …. What a sum attempt ….Well done Bravo

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Thank you for taking the time to write this out. I can’t imagine what you’re going through, but I want you to know that I support you. I’ve dealt with similar incidents in the past like this as well so I really sympathize with you. Lots of people in and outside the jamaat here have been speculating and used this case as a weapon. Especially ex-ahmadis here and on other platforms. We live in very sensitive times, and I believe the victim should be believed unless proven. In retrospect, I think Huzur just wants to avoid a media circus since it’s an ongoing investigation. Thank you for your openess. I hope there will be justice for all involved in this case including you.

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Thank you for sharing this. Very revealing. This clarifies a lot. Prayers for you.

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N was under heavy influence of her father. This confirms pedophilia case. Imagine someone sexually molest you since early age. How would be your behavior with him as you grow?
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N chose to stay with her father because she knew same things happen in Qasr-e-khilafat rabwah too.
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N chose to stay with her father because she was affraid of her father.
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N being harsh to kids is because this is what she experienced in her childhood.
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N being inconsistent is because of her mental health issue again because of Pedophilia experience.
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We are willing to pay for her lawayers but she refused. She asked for prayers.
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N was negative about many people because it is the symptom of depression because of early childhood experiences.
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Caliph 5 saying “Adultry ho ya rape ho aik hi baat ha” has no justification.
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The family chose not to do anything about it because of obvious reasons: many ex Ahmadies reported pedophilia in this family.
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Family wanted her to remain silent. In fact, all ahmadies want her to stay silent. It is a shame.
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N didn’t talk about case. She said she will not talk about case.
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Gossips are always two-ways. Why would N gossip with you if you were not reciprocating?
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A friend in need is a friend indeed. So don’t claim to be her friend.
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Shut up
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Do you believe me now? : islam_ahmadiyya (reddit.com)
Do you believe me now?

I wasnt expecting to post anything about the N situation ever again. I thought my post would give me some closure. But it didnt. It only showed me how much of a struggle all of this is and how angry I am about it.
I didnt realise how angry I was about everything until my first post was removed. Laughably it was the so called more enlightened, freedom of speech, no holds barred group that removed it. What a joke. Everything here is just agenda driven. I used to read the articles on Ahmadi and ex-Ahmadi Reddit from time to time as a way of keeping a small connection with my previous life. Sometimes the name of an old uncle or auntie would come up, and whatever the context, it brought a smile to my face. More simple times at least for us kids.
Everyone called me a liar. A troll. A fake person. But I am real and everything I said was true. You dont even even need to go out of your way to prove the things I wrote, because N is verifying them for herself.
I am one of the people who knows N the best. I know she went to Southfields School and Ricards Lodge. I know her family lived in Esher after the fourth caliph passed away. I know she loves James Stewart and sometimes colours in black and white pictures of him. I know she loves photography. I know she used to love the Backstreet Boys and Boyzone as a kid. I know all the things that happened on her trip to America a couple of years ago which she will never admit to. I used to know TM, the person she mentions in the call who she says works for the Huffington Post. She doesnt by the way. Not anymore. She has blueticked account on Twitter. Find it and ask her what she thinks of all this. I told you N has been recording other people but no one believed me. Do you believe me now? I told you that she says the most terrible things about her mother, and constantly abuses her. She is only ever nice to her when she needs money, or needs her mother to clear her thousands of pounds worth of debts. Money is all N cares about. Do you believe me now? I told you all N has a history of violence against children. That will come out too. If anyone lives in Rabwah, they can speak to the women who have worked in her mothers house and ask her about all the disgusting things N used to do to their children. Its all coming, and N will have to answer for everything.
Justice? Give me a break please. What about the justice for the poor wife, her three daughters and son whose lives N helped destroy and how she then went about belittling them and laughing at what she had done to the family. Who is going to give them justice? Or all the other families? Where is their justice?
I am so angry. N had no right to tell us these things that are all based on lies and take away the peace of our minds. N had no right to make voice recordings of people and share them with us to fill our minds with dread about what shes recorded of us. She had no right to do this. We were closest to her and now we are shattered because of her lies, and her narcism, and her love for blackmail and money. I know from others she has been sharing screenshots of messages of her new found friends, especially the journalists. Dont believe me? Give it time. All of it will come out. She probably thinks she can blackmail them for something. After everything thats happened, anyone stupid enough to talk to her now on Whatsapp or the phone deserves what they get.
I only feel sorry for one person in all of this and that is the fourth caliph. He didnt deserve this. None of this. People in these threads say nasty things about him too, but those of us who grew up with him, know he was a loving and caring man. I remember he used to go on these walks in Wimbledon Common and he sometimes would take the kids from the mosque. Sometimes I went to. Happy memories. N hasn’t even spared him. She will publicly reject him eventually and say horrible things like she says in private. Shes already friends with people like that Sheikh guy who spend all their life abusing her beloved Abba. She will do the same. Shes only exploiting his name right now.
Let N fight her case. Lets see how far she gets. Maybe she will be the one who ends up in trouble with the police. Everyone is just dealing with lies and deception and pushing their own agendas. I need peace from this, but I am never going to find it. And I dont know what else to do except rage. There are too many lies.
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·2 yr. ago·edited 2 yr. ago
You keep drumming on about “N’s” character and missing the point that most people are not concerned with whatever news we hear about her.
The issue is with the corruption and misogyny within the jamaat. Senior officials are having inappropriate relationships with potentially vulnerable women and are being protected.
It’s not just about “N” anymore.

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Since when did rape victims need to be perfect in order to have a case against their rapists?
If anything, maybe she was a perfect target for rapists because she was known to be a ‘loose’ character by her community and therefore her credibility will be questioned by those living inside the ‘Ahmadiyyat-bubble’.
How is jamat saved from embarassment by proving that she may be lying? When rape and other sex related crimes (goes beyond Nida’s case) become the highlights of a jamat who prides themselves in being rightly guided, you gotta wonder why God would embarrass the jamat/KM5 like this.

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Wow, another one of those ‘ Nida is the Evil’ rants.
You keep forgetting that Nida is just showing us the evil which is rampant in the Jamaat.
Really, Nida is to blame for Naseer Shah’s family being ruined? Please give me a break. It is Naseer himself who is to blame and no one else.
And don’t forget that the Khalifa is supposed to be a custodian of the Jamaat, if he is hiding and protecting these evil characters then he has to take responsibility for his actions.
I think it is great that Nida kept a recording of her dealings. If the people she was dealing with, are not corrupt themselves, they should have absolutely no fear.
Let Nida bring all those recordings to the public and let her expose all the evil characters hiding in those holy cloaks. I am all for it.

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Pretty sure that part isn’t about Naseer Shah’s family as the composition of his kids is very different. Maybe a certain doctors family in America. Who can tell? Who can tell? Too many skeletons in this madams closet.

level 1
Say we accept everything you say is true – should a rape victim not report the crime because they have engaged in fornication in their life or have also committed child abuse? Are you saying the crimes that may have been committed against her are cancelled out by whatever crimes she may have committed?

level 1
Is Shandy gonna get punished? He admitted doing Zina and betrayed his wife. N says she only talked to him to investigate, that seems plausible because she asked quite a few questions about him and her mother and he admitted it.

level 3
So she just wanted to talk to him about her moms sex life?

level 4
·2 yr. ago·edited 2 yr. ago
Seemed past talking stages, also what relevancy whatsoever would that info hold at all? Is naseer someone she accused?
Do you think she wanted to put into the world how loose character her mother is? smh leave the conspiracy theories alone now, she messed up
I’d rather believe op now who i didn’t take too seriously when he/she told us about nidas ways ages ago

level 2
Very nice of someone to talk to someone knowingly to discredit their mother.. what has she really achieved by this ?

level 1
N is a victim or not, this is a separate subject. However, she has surely removed the lid of a big gutter. Now the question is, will it be cleaned or not, and how long is it going to stink?

level 1
No, I don’t believe you now. Claims of rape are distinct from other questionable behaviour and should be treated as such. None of this changes the Caliphs encouragement of silence.

level 1
I don’t understand what you want us to believe? That she is lying about being told not to go to the police? What do you want people to believe,?

level 1
Ya Allah.. I don’t ever recall a time the Jamaat has faced such an implosion and internal wrangling, and yes Khalifah rabia.. my heart goes out to him, he would be totally distraught with what’s coming to light right now..I swear I’m a pendulum right now, just going to do dua that Allah (swt) gives justice to those who fully deserve it and punish those who are the cause of such hurt, pain and confusion to the innocent, and show us clear signs of what’s right and what’s wrong in such matters 🙏

level 1
N had no right to tell us these things that are all based on lies and take away the peace of our minds. N had no right to make voice recordings of people and share them with us to fill our minds with dread about what shes recorded of us. She had no right to do this. We were closest to her and now we are shattered because of her lies, and her narcism, and her love for blackmail and money
Question is not how much lies N is telling, how much truth is in all that and why so, why hidden covered & unpunished. If all that is 100% lies, why should you fear, why should you lose peace of mind, why should you be shattered. You think her mother & 3 children are starving, no they surely share the plunder with others. With that huge money only she spoiled N from childhood to develop love for blackmail and money. Of course children of broken houses are most difficult to manage. The police shouldn’t take so long, even if the matters are not so straight & simple either way. They must update on the progress of investigations, now that this case has got an international notoriety, with many agencies trying their own tactics of arm twisting or may be extortion even.

level 1
One of the most important lessons to learn in life.. two seemingly opposed facts can be true at once. Nida may have been raped and she may also have flaws as a human being.
One thing is for certain: there are a lot of immoral people in the Jamaat— and it doesn’t bode well for them.

level 2
Agree with the facts you raise. The following however is an assumption ‘there are a lot of immoral people in jamaat’?
Social media is not a representation of every person, that is a fact.

level 3
Ok I’ll restate: maybe there are as many immoral people as in any group/sect. It’s ridiculous to think somehow Ahmadis are special or the chosen ones. Pure arrogance and hubris.

level 1
Whoever you are, your total anxiety is about why is N getting support. Because for you, people with imperfect behaviors must be shunned and silenced. You’ll find closure only when your friend aka N is defeated, destroyed and shattered beyond recognition. You are not interested in fairness and accountability otherwise you would’ve not waited until now to scream about N’s nasty behavior towards her house help.

level 1
Just because she lies or has mental health issues does not mean she has not been raped. And many in the khandaan are dreadful to their house help this is what I have witnessed first hand. We are also enraged. At the corruption and nepotism in this community. So sad.

level 1
I feel so sorry and sad for what Nidas family and friends are going through. This must be hell for them. May all this end soon. May Allah give you peace and free you from all this burden and agony, ameen.

level 3
By all accounts her brothers and Khalas absolutely despise her and know her to be a pathaological liar so I guess it must make it doubly hard for them.

level 5
They don’t record people’s phone calls from what I know and plaster there family laundry all over social media, so I’d be more inclined to listen to them 😂😂😂😂

level 1
N has started the end of Ahmadiyyat. The downward spiral has begun and there is no turning back. In next 20-30 years, there WILL be NO jamaat.
It’s all downhill from here. Mark my words.

level 2
I don’t think it would be the end but things will never ever be the same again

level 2
·2 yr. ago·edited 2 yr. ago
No, it will rise even if from the (spiritually) dead. If not you, your progeny will join it. Mark MY words. Let the filth be dusted off, it will be. It’s the “Ark of Noah” in the world in turmoil twists & confusion, the world in wars, calamities & catastrophe. Dajjaal affects us but as a smoke, and tears of isteghfar & justice shall wash it off.Inshallah . You are welcome in new Avtars of Jamaat & it’s KHALIFA.

level 3
Billions were born and died before becoming Ahmadi. Billions more will stay safe from this evil God and sick community.

level 4
Billions were born and died before becoming Ahmadi. Billions more will stay safe from this evil God and sick community.
Billions more are alive today without having even heard of Ahmadiyya. If I generously consider them to be 10 million, as self-reported, that makes them 0.1% of the world population, despite claims of being the fastest growing religion. Ahmadiyya relies and thrives on misinformation.

level 4
i think the average user on this sub is more sick than the average Ahmadi

level 5
That’s the beauty of freedom of belief, right? You can believe whatever you want, I can believe whatever I want.

level 6
True, but be sure to believe anything a woman ever says because they are always right 😉

level 7
A woman declaring that she is raped and sexually exploited by men is a “slut” in this society. A man who commits adultery and rape is a “stud” here.
Of course, the woman has to lose more even in her fight for justice. Someone needs to balance the scale. Doesn’t seem like the believers are willing to do it.

level 8
That’s your own thinking mate
Adulterers are equally wrong
But those acting like saints may face more backlash when exposed, naturally

level 9
All aspects constant, yes both adulterers are wrong. But are all aspects constant? You seem to agree that they are not.

level 10
In this case they aren’t really
Shah we already knew was a lost drunkard that was on his second or third chance
But Nida and her mom didn’t have such an image so it comes as a bigger shock to hear stuff like that from them.

level 7
It is not about believing Nida or not. That is for the court to decide. There are always 2 sides to an allegation. My issue is with huzoor’s response. Rape allegation is a criminal case, just like murder, robbery. Qaza or jam’mat should not be handling it. Period. He should have reported it to UK police himself and encouraged Nida to go with him to the police instead of silencing her.

level 3
Dead don’t rise. They remain dead.
By the way, Mafroozay are just that Mafroorzay.
Thank you for your invitation but I am better without jmaat and religion altogether.
level 1
Hold Up folks
This post is against updated moderation policies regarding Nida-ul-Naseer case. Mods please remove this post.
Here is the link for the updated policies:

level 2
Yeah you guys make all the rape allegations and spread conspiracy theories about decent individuals like Mirza Waseem Sahib who aren’t even alive to defend themselves anymore, but nobody better say anything about little Miss Nida darling here.
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Links and Related Essay’s
In 2022, in the UK, the Qadiani-Ahmadi’s spent 3+ million on their Maulvi’s – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
I can no longer stay silent : islam_ahmadiyya (reddit.com)
Do you believe me now? : islam_ahmadiyya (reddit.com)
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