Intro
At 2:34:03, Bro Imtiaz explains how MGA argued that the alleged marriage between Maryam (as)(astagfarullah) and Joseph was illegitimate according to the law of Moses (as), the law of Allah. MGA was accusing Maryam (as) of ZINA, forced zina, this was not a marriage at all per MGA. Razi admitted that MGA wasn’t simply presenting an “ilzami=jawab”, instead MGA was also authenticating those sources. However, Yahya Khan came on later and refused to admit to this fact. Thus, MGA authenticated phantom Jewish sources on Maryam (as) and Eisa (as).
The second ref that Bro Imtiaz brought was Al Hakam November-10-1901
Malfuzat, Vol. 2, New edition, page-322. This ref quoted MGA as saying that Maryam (as) was forcibly married in a haraam way, but the Jewish elders still did it, even against their religious laws (the laws of musa [as[).
The 3rd scenario was MGA never called Maryam’s (as) marriage legitimate. MGA also never said that Eisa (As) spoke in the cradle (fil mahdee) in defense of Maryam (as).
Fourthly, Razi brought a reference from Al-Haq Mubahathah Dehli, Ruhani Khaza’in Vol.-4, p. 167, which was a debate that MGA had in Oct-1891 in Delhi and published 14 years later in 1905. In this ref, MGA wrote that Eisa (as) defended his mother against the allegations of the Jews when he was 2-4 years old (khorud salee). However, Razi was alleging that MGA claimed that Eisa (As) spoke in the cradle (fil mahdee)(See 3:46, 5:110 and 19:29). It was proven that there was a contradiction between MGA and his son (the 2nd Khalifa and Promised Son).
Fifthly, Bro Imtiaz brought Tafeer-e-Kabeer and showed how the 2nd Qadiani Khalifa clearly wrote that Eisa (as) was 30 years old when he spoke in the cradle (Mahad in 19:29, 3:46 and 5:110). Thus, in Ahmadiyya theology, Mahad=30 years old. This is in total contradiction to what MGA wrote.
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1902
Al-Hakam, April-24-1902, page 5-6
Malfuzat, Vol. 2, New edition, page-505
Al Hakam 4-24-1902
Transliteration
“”in buzurg-au ko bee yayh-hee fikr paydah hoo-ee, kue-kai vo asl vaqaya say bilqul bay-khabr aur na-ashna thay. Islee-ay, uno nay in baaataa kee zaraa purvah naa kee, kay nikkah say ashiknee ka intiqab au gha, ya dosree shadee kee vajaa say baqul yasu masih zina kar tarray gee, ya hamla ka nikkah jaiz nahi hai, aziz-au nay samjaya kay ab agar hamasho-ee kee gay, aur nikkah nah kee-a-gay, tho naat kaat jai kee, islee-ay nikkah kee-a gay”
Translation
“These elders were also afraid of the same thing. The reason was because they had no idea of the facts (unaware of the news) and na-ashna thay. As a result, they didn’t care about the chatter, they married her (Maryam) off, they didn’t care that it was a second marriage (for Joseph), or that this nikkah while pregnant was unlawful. Respected people explained, if you remain quiet now, they would be exposed, this is why the nikkah was done.”
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1901
Al Hakam November-10-1901
Malfuzat, Vol. 2, New edition, page-322
Transliteration
“”…Yusuf Najjar kay saat hazrat maryam kee shah-dee, iskee aik beevee pai-lay bee majood tee, ab aur tauraf yay ummar hai kay yahoodee nay, apnee shararat say, aur khad say baray, aur shokee say, hazrat maseeh kee padiash ko na-jaiz karar-dee-aa. Aur aunnany ya zulm aur zulm kea-a, kay aik taraqa aur nazr do-e larkee, kay apn-ee shariat kay khilaf nikkah kee-a, aur pir hamal may nikkah kee-a. Ais-tra, unaanay Shariat musv-ee kee tauhin kee-aa. bha-hee, hazray maseeh kee paak padaish per nuqta cheenee kee.”
Translation
“”…Hazrat Maryam got married to Yusuf Najjar, he had one wife already with him, this is something to be contemplated that the Jewish people, due to their problematic and troublesome nature, they declared the birth of the Hazrat Messiah as illegitimate. And they did persecution and persecution, to one woman who was dedicated, who married forcible, and against her own religious laws, and during her pregnancy got married. And like this, they “went against” their religious laws by Musa (as). And they went looking for errors, with the intent to criticize the birth of Hazrat Messiah.””
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_____________________________________________________________________________________________Al-Haq Mubahathah Dehli, Ruhani Khaza’in Vol.-4, p. 167
4:21:31 time stamp
Translation
..”speaking here means, a special speaking, which Hazrat Messiah (eisa [as]) said to the Jews, who put allegations against his mother..”
Transliteration
...”kalam say murad vo khaas kalam hai, jo Hazrat Maseeh nay in yahoodi say kee-a taa, jo yah ilzam unkee walda per lagataytay…”
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______________________________________________________________________________________________Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Part-7
Maryam, Chapter 19, page 229
4:29:32 time stamp
The 2nd Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said if people believe that Eisa (as) spoke in the cradle (between the age of 1 week and 4 months), then his first miracle (mojiza) was a lie, he was not a prophet, but he said was a prophet.
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Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Part-7
Maryam, Chapter 19, page 233
4:29:56 time stamp
The 2nd Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said that Eisa (as) spoke per 19:29-30 at the age of 30.
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Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Part-7
Maryam, Chapter 19, page 233
4:24:38 time stamp
The 2nd Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said that if people think “Mahad” (cradle) means the age of childhood and it is thought that the Messiah was a milk drinking (breastfeeding age) infant when he spoke, then, these verses all are full of lies.
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1907
Al-Hakam
Al Hakam March 31, 1907, page 11:
It is written about Hazrat Isa that he began to speak in Mahd, it does not mean that he began to speak at the time of birth or at the age of two or four months, but it means that when he was two or four years old, because this is the time when children play in cribs. It happens and it is not surprising for such a child to talk, my girl Ummat al-Hafiz also talks a lot.
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Tafsir-e-Kabir, Vol.-7, pages 244-245
Under Chapter 19 and the specific verses of about Maryam (As), the 2nd Qadiani Khalifa made a joke and gave a disrespectful parallel. He gave a stupid story about a man who unknowingly gave birth and was tricked as such, and how he returned to his town 30 years later and got embarrassed. The 2nd Khalifa was trying to say that this is how Maryam (as) and the miraculous birth of Eisa (as) happened, a series of stupid people doing stupid things for money (astagfarullah), listen to Bro Imtiaz explain it herein.
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Links and Related Essay’s
https://x.com/noormcmxcii/status/1749004443234828400?s=46&t=HTqZKquoOvKbgoBAF2aQcg
Did Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad write “Tafseer-e-Kabeer” or even “Tafseer-e-Sagheer”? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
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