Intro
On a recent livestream on Tiktok, Bro Imtiaz told anonymous Ahmadi’s to bring it! These seem to be Ahmadi’s living in Germany on Asylum and thus super fanatical, however, backwards, remember, the average Ahmadi is a taxi-cab driver and thus not qualified to sift through complicated literature. The Ahmadi’s on tik tok were, Shoaib @nafeesahmadi, Ahmad Upal @naeemahmad8004, Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7, Malik Awan @maalik_awaan, Azeem Butt, Chaudhary @chaudhry12141 and Truth Seeker @ggsir4. All of these are anonymous Qadiani dogs, some others are @Masroor1973 is the main Qadiani-Ahmadi who attacks people and refuses to have any level of intelligent conversations. Another one is @pakpakl5693. @nadir_0522 is another. Saleem Meer is another, @mindroastermeer.
Other Qadiani-Ahmadi tiktokers are Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7, Chaudhary @chaudhry12141, Azim Saifi (@muzm333)(From India), Fathe-Islam, Truth Seeker @ggsir4, Nadir (@nadir_4th_0522), @Masroor1973, Shoaib @nafeesahmadi, Ahmad Upal @naeemahmad8004, Malik Awan @maalik_awaan, Azeem Butt (@we4peace on TikTok), @pakpakl5693 and Saleem Meer (@mindroastermeer).
At 2:17:51, the Ahmadi says that when Eisa (as) left Earth, he was not a Muslim. He apologized and admitted his error later on in the stream (2:26:44).
At the 2:19:34 mark, an Ahmadi can be heard objecting to the physical return of the Jew Eisa (as) and would even need to be circumcised. At 2:22:03, Bro Imtiaz asked him to give proof that MGA was circumcised first. At 2:23:00, he calls Eisa (as) a Non-Muslim (Ghair Muslim). At 2:27:50, Bro Imtiaz explained how even the laws of the Torah require circumcision, thus, his query is an altogether ignorant argument. At 2:31:00, the Ahmadi alleges that Christians in Germany don’t get circumcision, thus, he thinks all Christians are against circumcision (he is ignorant). However, the Ahmadi refused to confess to his error. At 2:33:00 Ahmadi’s are desperate to change the topic and thus are admitting these blunders.
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Full review
At 5:15, Bro Imtiaz seems to start.
At 6:52, Truth Seeker @ggsir4 starts talking. He asks Bro Imtiaz about the nature of the new prophethood of Eisa (as) when he returns. Bro Imtiaz explains that since Eisa (as) is already a prophet, a new category doesn’t even need to be created, Eisa (as) is already part of the “Bra-hayrast-Nabi’s (independent prophets). Thus, this line of questioning is a moot point.
At 10:50, Bro Imtiaz explains it all again, see the above.
At 13:50, Bro Imtiaz explains it all again, see the above. Bro Imtiaz explains how MGA’s new prophethood breaks the seal of prophethood.
At 13:55, the Ahmadi said that Ahmadi’s believe in the same type of prophethood as explained by Bro Imtiaz.
At 15:17, Bro Imtiaz explains it all again, see the above.
At 16:16, the Ahmadi guy asks if Eisa (as) will be required to announce his new prophethood under Islam?
At 17:00, Bro Imtiaz explains it all again, see the above.
At 19:51, the Ahmadi calls Eisa (as) as for Bani Israel and asks if Eisa (as) will need to announce his new prophethood.
At 21:07, the Ahmadi alleges that Muslims believe that Eisa (as) didn’t complete his mission, and Ahmadi’s believe that he did. Bro Imtiaz responds by asking for the reference.
At 21:35, the Ahmadi says that all seals in the world can be re-opened.
At 23:00, Bro Imtiaz starts talking about the Seal of the Prophets, specifically the Seal. At 25:00, the Ahmadi argues that it is a seal of attestation.
At 27:17, Bro Imtiaz tries to answer a question by referring to a book of MGA and is stopped by the Ahmadi’s on the stream. Ahmadis ask Bro Imtiaz to NOT quote MGA. At 27:37, the Ahmadi tells Bro Imtiaz that they are here to hear the beliefs of Muslims, not anything else., i.e. the books of MGA.
At 28:40, Ahmadi’s keep talking over each other and vs. Bro Imtiaz.
At 30:19, Bro Imtiaz quotes “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) and MGA’s comments on 33:40.
At 33:17, the Ahmadi’s asked Bro Imtiaz where he works, or what he does for money? job?
At 35:50, Ahmadi’s are complaining at the way that Bro Imtiaz is reading “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala).
At 38:40, Ahmadis start arguing with each other over who should read “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala). They seem to be perturbed by the way Bro Imtiaz was reading it.
An Ahmadi begins reading it.
At 40:00, an Ahmadi who is reading “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) word-for-word comes across the word Baruzi.
At 43:08, Bro Imtiaz asks for proof that prophethood has been stopped from the Quran and proof that Baruzi Nabi’s can come from the Quran.
At 44:50, an Ahmadi accuses Bro Imtiaz of not doing proper research or reading off of notes. This Ahmadi quoted the Bible.
At 48:18, Bro Imtiaz asks for proof that prophethood has been stopped from the Quran and proof that Baruzi Nabi’s can come from the Quran. Bro Imtiaz points out how the Ahmadi quoted the Bible. Bro Imtiaz presses the point about that Baruz who is special.
At 53:00, Bro Imtiaz asks about the Baruz who will be “Kadeem say Maud”.
At 54:53, Bro Imtiaz starts reading “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) word-for-word.
At 57:54, an Ahmadi argues that MGA wrote “if”.
At 58:31, Bro Imtiaz points out a contradiction between MGA and his Ahmadi. MGA wrote that Allah said “Fermuda hai”, the Ahmadi said NO.
At 59:57, Bro Imtiaz explains how an Ahmadi misunderstood MGA’s writing and inferred “TO” (in english as ‘if’).
At 1:00:33, an Ahmadi chimes in and says these are questions for Bro Imtiaz, not for Ahmadi’s to answer.
At 1:01:34, Ahmadi’s beg to put this entire topic on hold. Since there is some confusion.
At 1:02:28, Bro Imtiaz asks about the Baruz who will be “Kadeem say Maud” and as to why Ahmadi’s presented the Bible. Ahmadi’s answer with 62:3.
At 1:05:26, Bro Imtiaz explains how MGA argued in “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) that he (MGA) was the Baruz who will be “Kadeem say Maud”.
At 1:06:34, Ahmadis get upset that Bro Imtiaz won’t answer their questions and allege him of diverting.
At 1:09:30, Bro Imtiaz explains how MGA argued in “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) that he (MGA) was the Baruz who will be “Kadeem say Maud”.
At 1:14:00, there seems to be lots of repetition.
At 1:15:30, Bro Imtiaz explains the blunder of the previous Ahmadi as he asserted that inferred “TO” (in english as ‘if’) into “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) and tried to change the meanings of his prophets words.
At 1:16:27, an Ahmadi misheard what Imtiaz bhai said and snapped at him for lying about the text. All hell breaks loose.
At 1:18:27, the Ahmadi accuses Bro Imtiaz of saying that if a Baruzi Nabi comes, the seal of prophethood is broken, however, Bro Imtiaz never said that, Bro Imtiaz quoted MGA and said that other than a “Baruzi Nabi”, no other Nabi can come. The Ahmadi misheard and never admitted to his error.
At 1:19:53, Bro Imtiaz proves that he literally read off of the text of “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala).
At 1:21:45, the Ahmadi reads from “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) and announces that a Baruzi Nabi can come.
At 1:22:41, the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 chimes in and says that the other day, Bro Imtiaz argued that MGA was only the Baruzi Nabi, and now, we are seeing the opposite in “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala)(1901). The Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 was accusing Bro Imtiaz of lying and was thinking that he had caught him. However, he doesn’t know that MGA made this claim in the following year (1902) and contradicted himself from 1901 via “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala).
At 1:24:24, the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 again says that Bro Imtiaz said only one Baruzi can come, but MGA said thousands.
At 1:27:00, Bro Imtiaz begins to explain the blunders of the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7. Bro Imtiaz points out again how MGA claimed to be the Baruz who will be “Kadeem say Maud”.
At 1:29:00, a new reference is pulled from Izala Auham, page 251. Bro Imtiaz shows how MGA once said that 10,000 Messiah’s can come.
At 1:31:01, the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 says that he doesn’t have Ruhani Khuzain after the 17th volume and thus can’t look up the reference wherein MGA says that he is the only Baruz of Muhammad (Saw).
At 1:36:19, Bro Imtiaz shows how MGA initially said that 10,000 Messiah’s can come and later said he is the only one, this is similar to MGA’s comments on prophethood.
At 1:37:37, the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 gets mad and says that he knows MGA better than Bro Imtiaz. Again, he is confused about when and how MGA said only one Baruz.
At 1:40:16, the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 denied that MGA ever said that he was the only Baruz. He asserts that more can come. He argues that more Messiahs can even come.
At 1:42:19, the Ahmadi tiktok account Kamalat-e-Islam @fazl.ahmad7 left.
At 1:43:41, Bro Imtiaz quotes MGA “A Correction of a Mistake”, (Eik Ghalti Ka Izala) and shows MGA was the only Baruz of Muhammad (Saw).
At 1:47:33, an Ahmadi asks how Muslims believe that Eisa (as) completed his mission? Bro Imtiaz proves how success is not based on the amount of followers, this is from sahih hadith. Why do Ahmadi’s think that Eisa (As) failed?
At 1:55:00, Bro Imtiaz quotes Malfuzat-8, page 8 (urdu edition) and Ahmadi’s get mad.
At 1:57:30, Ahmadi’s ask to hear about Muslim beliefs, not the books of MGA.
At 1:58:00, Bro Imtiaz quotes Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Ruhani Khazain, Vol. 5, page 200:
“”The magnitude to which Jesus Christ failed to spread the divine truth and monotheism, perhaps the example of his is rarely found in the history of any other prophet…”””
And shows how MGA wrote that Eisa (as) failed in his mission.
At 1:59:15, Bro Imtiaz quotes Malfuzat-9, page 317. MGA wrote that Eisa (as) was always a failure (naozobillah). Bro Imtiaz quotes another page from Malfuzat. MGA says that Eisa (as) failed (magloob).
At 2:02:34, the Ahmadi asks Bro Imtiaz to present his own beliefs on Eisa (As) and whether he was a failure or not.
At 2:06:25, Bro Imtiaz explains how Allah gave Eisa (as) knowledge of the Torah and via the Injil and Eisa (as) spread that teaching. Eisa (as) delivered the message. Just like Musa (As) delivered the message.
At 2:08:05, Bro Imtiaz explains how Eisa (As) has some tasks remaining in the Muslim Ummah.
At 2:09:00, the Ahmadi asks about the prophetic status of Eisa (as) when he returns.
At 2:10:00, Bro Imtiaz explains how Eisa (As) will be taught by Allah, the Quran and the Hikmah (see 3:48 and 5:110). However, in 1898-99, in Ayyam-us-Sulh, MGA claimed that Eisa (as) had Jewish teachers that taught him the Torah. Watch my video explanation here. his phraseology is also used when Allah speaks of Muhammad (saw)(see 62:2). Further, this phrase Kitab (book) normally means the Quran (see Chapter 2:2 as an example) when Allah is speaking to Muhammad (saw). Moreover, verses of the Quran like 2:129, 2:151, 4:113, 62:2, 3:164, 4:54, 3:81, 2:231 and 5:110, prove that the Kitab and Hikma are simply the revelations and guidance given to prophets. Also, in 5:110, Allah says that he taught Esa (as) the “Kitab” and “Hikma”, and the Torah and Injeel. This seems to assert that via the divine revelations of Esa (as) and via Allah teaching him directly (like Adam (as) was taught), Allah would teach Esa (as) the Quran and hadith so that upon his second return, he would be able to be a judge (see Bukhari)(Allah says this twice in the Quran)(See the Tafsir of Suyuti). Finally, in the same verse (5:110), Allah tells the world that Esa (as) spoke while a baby and he would speak in maturity (which means about 40), thus proving that Esa (as) would physically return and know the Quran and hadith and be a just judge and convert all Christians and Jews to Islam.
At 2:17:51, the Ahmadi says that when Eisa (as) left Earth, he was not a Muslim. He apologized and admitted his error later on in the stream (2:26:44).
At the 2:19:34 mark, an Ahmadi can be heard objecting to the physical return of the Jew Eisa (as) and would even need to be circumcised. At 2:22:03, Bro Imtiaz asked him to give proof that MGA was circumcised first. At 2:23:00, he calls Eisa (as) a Non-Muslim (ghair Muslim). At 2:27:50, Bro Imtiaz explained how even the laws of the Torah require circumcision, thus, his query is an altogether ignorant argument. At 2:31:00, the Ahmadi alleges that Christians in Germany don’t get circumcision, thus, he thinks all Christians are against circumcision (he is ignorant). However, the Ahmadi refused to confess to his error. At 2:33:00 Ahmadi’s are desperate to change the topic and thus are admitting these blunders.
At the 2:43:00 mark, another Ahmadi jumps in and quotes, 14:4 of the Quran (14:5 in the Qadiani Quran) and argues that it is impossible for Eisa (As) to descend since he doesn’t know any language on Earth.
At 2:47:18, an Ahmadi alleges that per hadith, Eisa (as)’s second coming would occur in India. Bro Imtiaz asked for the reference, however, it was never found. At 2:51, Bro Imtiaz catches him on this. At 2:55:00, he indirectly admits his mistake and says that he was explaining the meanings of a hadith, and not the hadith itself. At 2:55:54 he takes and back and admits that the hadith doesn’t exist.
At 3:06:08, the Ahmadi tells Bro Imtiaz to take MGA out of the conversation. It will make things easier.
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Links and Related Essay’s
On tik tok, there is an army of Qadiani-Asylum cases living in Germany – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
@nafeesahmadi
@naeemahmad8004
@chaudhry12141
Ahmadi tiktoker Malik Awan cusses at Muslims and denies MGA’s prophethood – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
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