Intro
On Day-1, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad (reading a message from the Khalifa and MGA and giving personal commentary) said to bear witness against your fathers if they are following injustice (1:37:14). Ahmadi’s are immersed in this material world (1:37:37). The actions of words of Ahmadi’s reflects love of this world (1:37:53). Ahmadi’s aren’t praying (1:38:50 timestamp). 40-60% of Ahmadi’s aren’t praying (1:39:44). Adopt a life of hardship (1:39:58). Impose a death upon yourself (1:42:29). Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad called the majority of Ahmadi’s as bad and worldly (1:45:12). Some Ahmadi’s have also fell in love with the world (dunya)(1:45:19). Ahmadi’s can’t be righteous if their family isn’t also righteous (1:46:08). Most Ahmadi’s are completely ignorant (1:47:04), then he said many. Ahmadi’s are more concerned with this world and how their children are going to excel in worldly education, how much money they might make? Thier status? What degree they could get, PhD? MD? JD? Ahmadi parents don’t care to ask if their kids are praying 5 times a day, while home or outside just hanging out. He warns Ahmadi’s about hypocrisy and double dealings (1:49:10). He accuses Ahmadi’s of living to please people. He warns Ahmadi’s: “Safeguard your Progeny against Ruin”(1:50:05). In other words, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad is warning Ahmadi’s that if they don’t brainwash their children to be hard core Ahmadi…they will be ruined. He then alleges that if any Ahmadi stop praying 5 times a day, they will be ruined. At 1:52:29, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad tells Ahmadi children that if their parents leave Ahmadiyya, go against them! He said strive to be a religous nut (see on Tiktok and twitter).
Day-2 started off super dead, in fact, 60% of the seats were empty. Sherjeel Rauf (working as Qaid in the LA area) gave a speech on the life of Charles Sievwright (aka Sheikh Abdul Haqq).
MGA presented himself as a prophet to a Christian. He mentions that Mirza Tahir Ahmad dreamt of waves and waves of people joining Ahmadiyya. He then alleges that so many people were converting to Ahmadiyya, Mirza Tahir Ahmad said “bas karo” (stop it). He was missing, 1924 to 1934, Mahmud was called a prophet, the qadiani Khalifa was close to the USA government.
On Day-3, 3:46:35, he accuses Ahmadi’s of living in a contradiction. He said be a true unitarian!
Khurram Shah video 2 review in the below.
Khurram Shah video 3 review in the below.
Tohfa Qasssiriyya!
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Extended Jalsa Review
On Day-1, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad (reading a message from the Khalifa and MGA and giving personal commentary) said to bear witness against your fathers if they are following injustice (1:37:14). Ahmadi’s are immersed in this material world (1:37:37). The actions of words of Ahmadi’s reflects love of this world (1:37:53). Ahmadi’s aren’t praying (1:38:50 timestamp). 40-60% of Ahmadi’s aren’t praying (1:39:44). Adopt a life of hardship (1:39:58). Impose a death upon yourself (1:42:29). Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad called the majority of Ahmadi’s as bad and worldly (1:45:12). Some Ahmadi’s have also fell in love with the world (dunya)(1:45:19). Ahmadi’s can’t be righteous if their family isn’t also righteous (1:46:08). Most Ahmadi’s are completely ignorant (1:47:04), then he said many. Ahmadi’s are more concerned with this world and how their children are going to excel in worldly education, how much money they might make? Thier status? What degree they could get, PhD? MD? JD? Ahmadi parents don’t care to ask if their kids are praying 5 times a day, while home or outside just hanging out. He warns Ahmadi’s about hypocrisy and double dealings (1:49:10). He accuses Ahmadi’s of living to please people. He warns Ahmadi’s: “Safeguard your Progeny against Ruin”(1:50:05). In other words, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad is warning Ahmadi’s that if they don’t brainwash their children to be hard core Ahmadi…they will be ruined. He then alleges that if any Ahmadi stop praying 5 times a day, they will be ruined. At 1:52:29, Mirza Maghfoor Ahmad tells Ahmadi children that if their parents leave Ahmadiyya, go against them! He said strive to be a religous nut (see on Tiktok and twitter).
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Day-2 started off super dead, in fact, 60% of the seats were empty. Sherjeel Rauf (working as Qaid in the LA area) gave a speech on the life of Charles Sievwright (aka Sheikh Abdul Haqq). He mentions that Mirza Tahir Ahmad dreamt of waves and waves of people joining Ahmadiyya. He then alleges that so many people were converting to Ahmadiyya, Mirza Tahir Ahmad said “bas karo” (stop it).
_____________________________________________________________________________________________On Day-3, 3:46:35, he accuses Ahmadi’s of living in a contradiction. He said be a true unitarian!
At 2:36:35, Qudus Malik alleged that Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad didn’t abandon Qadian in some weird argument. This is incorrect, he left Qadian in shambles. Qudus Malik continues to argue that Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad saved Qadian.
Qudus Malik alleges that in 1948, Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad met with the US Consulate General (2:39:15) and his team at Rattan Bagh. Remarkably, the US Consulate General sent a cable to the Secretary of State George C. Marshall. The title of the letter was “Hazrat Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad”. At 2:40:00, Qudus Malik argued that Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad complained about Ahmadiyya missionaries not getting access to the USA. At 2:40:58, Qudus Malik said that Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad once said that without Khilafat, you can’t have zakat or salat. Qudus Malik read out the cable which strangely presented Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad as a prophet in his own right. At 2:42:54, Qudus Malik said that the Ahmadi Khulafa don’t care if Ahmadi’s understand their importance or not. At 2:43:20, Qudus Malik admits to speaking to refugee Ahmadi’s stuck in Thailand and Malaysia. At 2:43:41, he says Ahmadi’s have gotten asylum and are making money now and it owe it all to Khilafat.
At 2:44:11, Qudus Malik read out the letter from the US Consulate General to Secretary of State George C. Marshall. In the letter, it is stated on Dec-16-1948, Council Cootz and himself were invited for tea with Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad. They observed that Mirza Basheer uddin Mahmud Ahmad is a prophet in his own right, has authentic visions and holds the position as pope or Holy father. At 2:46:11, Ahmadiyya are a persecuted minority. At 2:46:35, Zafrullah Khan is mentioned as a successful Ahmadi. At 2:46:57, Ahmadiyya claims to have 800,000 to 1 million members in India and all other countries. At 2:47:35, he alleges that there are 1000 converts to Ahmadiyya in the USA by 1948.
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The Los Angeles Evening Post-Record of 18 Jul 1924, Fri Page 1
Mufti Muhammad Sadiq was offering brown women to white men…if they converted to #Qadianism and a harem in India – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
The Moslem Sunrise of Jan-1924 has a note of appreciation from Charles F. Sievewright.
Mr. Sievewright is mentioned by John Bertrum Clarke (an occultist) and rapist/murderer (In The Los Angeles Evening Post-Record of 18 Jul 1924, Fri Page 1), as he responds to the allegations against him and in his own defense. He claims that he knows a Secret Ahmadi (described as a Muhammadan) named Mr. Sievewright who works at a creamery in the L.A. area. However, Sievewright also represents “The Moslem Sunrise” magazine and has inside connections with Mufti Muhammad Sadiq (written as Dr. Sadiq) and can get him Indian girls with dark eyes (+jewels and servants) and a harem of women in India. Thus, why would he be raping/killing/marrying women in the USA?
In fact, even in 1924, Mufti Muhammad Sadiq was a major connection for white men who were seeking Indian girls, a Harem in India and servants and etc. The Los Angeles Evening Post-Record of 18 Jul 1924, Fri Page 1 reports on “Fake Marriages”. As part of this report a man named John Bertrum Clarke (an occultist) and rapist/murderer responds to the allegations against him and in his own defense he claims that he knows a Secret Ahmadi (described as a Muhammadan) named Mr. Sievewright who works at a creamery in the L.A. area, Sievewright also represents “The Moslem Sunrise” magazine (Sievwright has been an ahmadi since 1906 and is a companion of MGA). John Bertrum Clarke alleges that through Dr. Sadiq he could have a harem of women in India. Thus, why would he be raping/killing/marrying women in the USA? He goes on to say he could have brown girls in India with dark eyes, jewels, servants and anything he desired. John Bertrum Clarke seems to be describing life in Qadian, which as we know, was a free sex haven.
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Notes from the 2nd video
–Taudhe Maram, book review, MGA said God is a Tendwa, Eisa (as) isnt a prophet
—Tofha Qasiriyya, book review
—00:30, 2000 Ahmadi’s showed up
—-1:25, Eisa (as) was not humiliated, Allah decides which prophets got bloodied, see 5:110. What did MGA write about 5:110? Why was Mr. Hakam silent?
—2:10, Khurram alleges that Adnan is trying to impress on Muslims that Muhammad (saw) was never persecuted. People used to throw garbage? Taif and Uhud? Was Eisa (as) the only one?
—3:56, Adnan, Imtiaz and Bashir are vagabonds and lapdogs.
—5:35, Adnan’s audience is ignorant.
–6:00, the moment Eisa (as) is about to be persecuted, Allah took him up?
—8:00, Khurram can’t find the verse? “”In nul la zeena yaqfaruna, bay ayat tul lahey, wa yaqtalun an-nabiyeena, baghaira haqq””.
However, there are 10 verses of the Quran which prove that Jews killed their own prophets, 2:61, 2:87, 2:91, 3:21, 3:112, 3:144, 3:181, 3:183, 4:155, 5:70. Khurram was quoting 3:21, the wording is different in other verses. Khurram was trying to quote 69:44 and allege that prophets were never killed. However, MGA contradicted himself and kept calling Yahya (as) as a Shaheed (he was killed for Islam) from 1891 to 1907.
Khurram thinks all prophets are the same! They are not! Some prophets had no believers. What did MGA say about these verses? Ahmadiyya commentaries say QATL doesn’t mean kill in these instances (see 3:21 and 40:28). But where does Qatl not mean kill in the Quran?
—10:18, Muhammad (saw) suffered the most out of all the prophets? Even more than the Qadiani version of Eisa (as)?
—15:45, Muslims are in love with the Christians!
—16:14, Allah protects all the prophets?
—17:00, Khurram objects to saying “Merry Christmas”, not animals, not terrorists. Calls Adnan a terrorist.
—18:09, Christians were invited to pray in a Muslim masjid? What type of Christians were these?
—19:25, Khurram says we havent read anything.
—19:45, Khurram doesnt think we are humans
—20:00, Khurram is mad at ex-Ahmadi atheists. Sohail Ahmad, real professors? Real successful people? Maghfoor called them worldly.
—21:30, Khurram wants Sohail to die! Ahmadi’s are at Top notch universities? Bar and drink? Liked a girl? Khurram says that these Ahmadis are bad.
—23:12, Ahmadi’s are contributing to Humanity? Not doing Allah, Allah and Allah! A contributing factor to society? CSR? Ex-Ahmadi Atheist arent doing anything? Going to bars? Company parties? Not helping society?
—-24:38, helping the poor and the needy? Give blood? Help the elderly? Just be a rock! But normal people don’t kiss up to get ahead, these people forgot about their parents and their sacrifices and want pork tacos! Have some shame! Know who you are?
—-25:55, one day Bashir wants to be Desi and the next day all american!
—26:00, we should be respecting our parents religion!
—-26:45, kids are embarrassed by silly desi parents. Atheist are telling kids to shun their parents?
—-28:00, the Quran is only for the righteous (mutaqee). That’s not true!
—28:15, Anti Ahmadi’s are lying every single time!! Khurram wants context! What about Ibn Abbas? Imam Malik? Did he say unsincere?
—-31:00, success? What is success? Janna? Chapter 24.
—32:08, your moustache, your pants, the ulema! You have to pray like this! Praying at graves! Allah doesnt speak! MutaKalim? Khurram says MGA vs. Sir Syed on prayers. Was that the only difference?
—33:35, Allah talks to those who pay Zakat?
—34:05, what about Khurram’s bankruptcy?
—34:31, MGA was a Mercy to Mankind? 21:107? MGA was? (See on tiktok and twitter).
—35:04, Adnan is a liar!
—35:45, Ahmadi atheist love this world, friends, GF’s, alcohol, partying, and not believing in God.
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Notes from the 3rd video
4:14, MGA setup the system of Jalsa’s?
—-success comes to the believers, 23:1 and many other verses (Trump).
—-the brotherhood in Ahmadiyya?
—dreams? Shit in the toilet?
—-Our Islam is keeping a beard and that’s it.
—he won’t admit to reading the blog
—he doesnt represent the Ahmadiyya Community
—Imtiaz read everything in Urdu, Adnan too? Shazad can’t read Urdu, neither can his sons, neither can Amjad Khan, Mahershalla, Amir Shah, neither can Ahsan Khan.
—Ahmadiyya pocket book is the real perchey!
—why is Khurram worried about me and going to the mosque? That’s an Ahmadi only thing.
—Khurram is gay, we don’t care, Allah has sealed his heart, my father too.
—Non-Ahmadi relatives are stupid too!
—He alleges that AFCB is not scholarly, im the only one working as a scholar and professor.
—Tabari also quoted the substitution theory, he was only quoting relevant literature. Maryam’s pregnancy was known to Yusuf Najjar via Tabari?
—Khurram doesnt want to debate and has been ordered to be a clown.
—Where did the title of Maseeh e Maod come from?
26:58—did sachay lokhe apostasize? That’s the issue. Hudaiybya? I thought it was a mistake? Ijtihadi ghalti.
—He quoted from Shia passage that Umar (ra) sat down during the battle of Uhud, Khurram was agreeing with it. What’s the point of quoting it?
—He said I figured out a way around something..was it college? Books? MGA’s books?
—We make up rules? the 23-year tule via 69:44 is made up by MGA. Khatam vs. Khatim.
—In “Ainah…”,. MGA told Ahmadi’s that they can become God. I have never seen that. Where did MGA say that? MGA was claiming to be the Christian God too.
—40:00–Khurram Shah alleged that in “A’ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam”, MGA explained how Ahmadi’s can become God (attaining the attributes of God, metaphorically).
—hand of Allah threw? 8:17 of the Quran (8:18 in the Qadiani Quran). Did MGA ever explain this.
—What did MGA write about 8:18?
—Lets do some research work together? In collaboration?
—Khurram called Sir Syed Ahmad Khan a Muslim? que putr? Barakat-Dua?
—At-tabligh was the first book, and it’s inside of Ainah!
—Khurram read Izala Auham? It’s 2 parts? One before the claim and one after, MGA said that stupid people think he claimed to be the Messiah in P-1, in P-2, MGA contradicts himself.
—Khurram said the Ottomans were too busy to translate teh quran? Hain? Only the Mughals had it translated into Persian putr!
—Khurram admitted that his father was willing to lose everything for the Mirza family, including his kids. Thus, everything was being sacrificed! Even if that meant living in poverty. The laws of the Quran were not followed on how to be a parent.
—The color of God? 2:138 (2:139 in the Qadiani Quran)? Suyuti said:
—43:00, Khurram says Ghabi means lacking understanding only and agrees that Abu Hurraira (ra) lacked (naozobillah). This is what the Shia might say.
—-46:00, MGA was telling Muslims to not be terrorists.
—-MGA ended the Jihad of terrorism? This is a new argument? We make stuff up?
—-Khurram is scared of Modi’s INdia? What about Qadian? You guys kiss up? Want proof? Famous video of Sharif Odeh, Netanyahu and Modi?
—-48:27, Shias weakened the Mughals? No….weaponry of the British was superior, they fought wars in open areas, and thus won! Shot their guns at people with swords.
—-People in India converted to Islam via Tabligh? No sources!
—-In 1948, K2 authorized offensive Jihad? You forgot? All wars were defensive in Islam? What if people break treaties?
—-51:15, he calls Adnan a terrorist again.
—Khurram forgot, MGA’s father is Mongolian, not Persian, not central asian.
—Every time Khurram goes down a rabbit hole…
—No brotherhood in Islam? MGA said the sects in Islam are all similar, and only differ on a few things.
—-MGA brought brotherhood back?
—-56:30, does Allah speak?
—-But we have the Quran, no one else had it before.
—-Muslims gave lip service and were forced to be loyal publicly, MGA was hte messiah, the mahdi, his case is different.
—-59:57, the Sikhs wouldnt let Muslims pray? really? from 1800 to 1849? 1780?
—-Syed Ahmad Shaheed was a Barelvi? Why did he call “Zone of War”? The Sikhs were an extension of the British and told to behave by the British.
For Syed Ahmad and the followers of the Faraizi movement, India was “Dar al-Harb” (a land without a peace treaty with Muslims) and therefore jihad was obligatory for all Muslims. In his book Sirat-e-Mustaqeem, Shah Ismail Dehlvi wrote:
A large part of present-day India has become “Dar-ul-Harab”. Compare the situation with the heavenly blessings of India two and three hundred years ago.[31]
This contradicts many other arguments by Khurram Shah.
—Khurram also forgot that MGA supported the Sikhs, since his father was a commander in their army and his brothers.
Khurram forgot that Maulvi Nur ud Din was a physician in the Maharaja Ranbir Singh (late 1870’s and early 1880’s, as his Chief Physician) and his successor, Maharaja Pratap Singh, whom he served from 1885 to 1893 in a similar capacity.
Maharaja Gulab Singh Jamwal (1792–1857) joined the army of Ranjit Singh in 1809 and was sufficiently successful to earn a jagir worth 12,000 rupees and also 90 horses. As Raja (Governor-General/Chief) of Jammu, Gulab Singh was one of the most powerful chiefs of the Sikh Empire. Under the Imperial and Feudal Army arrangement, he was entitled to keep a personal army of 3 Infantry Regiments, 15 Light Artillery Guns and 40 Garrison Guns.
^^^These were the guys who were persecuting Muslims in Kashmir and Jammu. Mualvi Nur ud Din was there Chief Physician. the Dogra dynasty.
—All the Muslims in the Punjab sided with the British in the 1857 mutiny? They didnt want to be under Hindu rule.
—the British allowed people to pray, publish, print, propagate,
—-of course they took the resources, Khurram said it was OK for the British to steal sugar, salt, cotton and etc (see on twitter).
—Khurram spelled Ahmadi wrong (ahmadies).
—Ahmadi’s got Rabwah, that was huge! He said Ahmadi’s got nothing.
—Khurram wants a Mubahila
—Khurram says that MGA was justified in cussing at Muslims (1000 Lanaat).
—Khurram cries about a Khalifa having land
—We are silent on Israel? Is that a joke?
—attendance was 2000?
—Khurram quoted 5:67 (5:68 in the Qadiani Quran) and alleged that all prophets were protected? What about Taif?
—Fateh-e-Islam recently contradicted Khurram too, on Khatam in 2:7.
Khurram can’t spell! Was this Qanta? When an anonymous Ahmadi spelled it wrong they cried.
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A’ina Kamalat i Islam, RK-5, p. 564
‘I saw in one of my visions that I am God myself and believed that I am the same. His Godhead penetrated and infused in me. My personal edifice collapsed and that of God appeared distinctly and divinity subdued me completely.’ He further writes ‘and in this state, I submitted that we need a new system and a new sky. So, first of all, I vaguely created the earth and the sky but there was no order and no system therein. Then according to the will of God, I put them in proper order and appropriate arrangements and I saw that I was capable of creating things. Then I originated the sky of the earth and said [sic]. Then I asserted that now We should beget man with the essence of clay. Then the state of contemplative vision converted into inspiration and I started muttering “These are the inspirations I am enlightened with by God Almighty.”
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Links and Related Essay’s
Who is Charles F. Sievwright and his sexual connections to Qadian and brown women?
The West Coast Jalsa Salana-2024 stream #WCJS2024 #WestCoastJalsa – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
The West Coast Jalsa Salana-2024 stream #WCJS2024 #WestCoastJalsa
Was there freedom of the press in British India? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
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