Intro
In a desperate attempt to defend MGA and his blatant disrespect for Muhammad (Saw)(MGA said that Muhammad [saw] was a “messy shitting” and “messy pissing” type of vessel)(See Bro Imtiaz presenting the ref herein, 59:47 time stamp), Saleem Mir and his student Maulvi Razi ullah Noman argued that “Hagnay and Mootnay” (“messy shitting” and “messy pissing”) are not disrespectful, Saleem Mir even used it about his own parents in defense of MGA (2:05:08 time stamp)(see the tik tok herein). Maulvi Razi Ullah then alleged that some Muslim scholar called going to the wash room as a form of “prayer”.

______________________________________________________________________________________________Malfuzat V-9, page 319

The exact quote
….”The Miraaj that took place with the entity (vujud) that peed and shit, it was a pleasant and luminous entity.”””

The transliteration
“”……Miraaj jis vujud say huva tha, vo yeh HAGNE, MOOTNE, valaa vujud to na tha, balke vo ek latif aur nihayat hi noorani vujud tha.”””

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_____________________________________________________________________________________________1903, Malfuzat, Volume-5, page 40
See also Alhakam, Jild 11, Number 39, Date 31 October 1907, pg. 5-6

In this sitting, an ahmadi told MGA that Muslims present the case of Miraaj, as they argue with us on the physicality of the RAFFA of Esa (as) and the physicality of his return. In this, MGA claims that people who believe in this as a physical concept, they are very nasty people, MGA claims that any body that needs to shit and piss could never go to heaven (at the 6:48 mark). We have posted the scan in the below.

The exact quote
….”The Miraaj that took place with the entity (vujud) that peed and shit, it was a pleasant and luminous entity.”””

The transliteration
“”……Miraaj jis vujud say huva tha, vo yeh HAGNE, MOOTNE, valaa vujud to na tha, balke vo ek latif aur nihayat hi noorani vujud tha.”””

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2021 edition of Malfuzat, online

 

Malfuzaat 9 page 459

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Al-hakam, Jild 11, Number 39, Date 31 October 1907, pg 5-6

It is a series of questions Mirza was asked. The question before this particular question was that Hazrat Essa AS was born without a father. Mirza ended that one with that Essa AS used to eat and had limitations of human.

So the following question was, Muslims at this point mention the ma’raaj of Prophet ﷺ (i.e. that if Muhammad can ascend heavens in his blessed body, why can’t Essa AS ascend with physical body). Mirza responded saying prophet ﷺ didn’t ascend with this ** body (naozubillah)

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Links and Related Essay’s

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRE1yjwq/

Who is Saleem Mir? Aka Mindroaster Mir? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog

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