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Intro
In this video, we have created timestamps for the ease of the viewers. At 1:30:17, Yo yo Khan calls quoting MGA as the “thiefs door” (chor durwaza)(see the clip on tiktok and twitter). Yo yo Khan got emotional and was mad that Imtiaz quoted MGA.

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Dr Yahya Opening Remarks/ opening statements.

0:02:44 Brother Imtiaz Remarks/opening Statements.
Brother Imtiaz Asks Dr Yahya why are you tweeting” Imtiaz/Mulla Ran away” . Do you have any comments?👆

0:04:49 Dr Yahya. ” I didnt have the intention of go here and there before the debate.”( he didn’t want to talk about his tweet)
Dr Yahya then goes onto say:
“if we (Qadianis)talk 5%you (Muslims) talk 95%
he goes on to blame the moderators. Saying “the moderators kept on asking me why I didn’t answer the questions
and never ask you (Brother Imtiaz) to answer any of my (Dr Yahya) Questions, the moderator keep ignoring me.
“my Secound Objection
Was why Cant I use the Video on my Channel.”
Proof

0:07:23:Brother Imtiaz angin asks Dr Yahya to give Proof for his claim of “Imtiaz ran away”when everything was already agreed on.
” When the topic and a weeks time was set” “I had agreed to all your conditions”

0:09:19 Dr Yahya. Start complaining, about his full arname not being
Used ” My Dr. Muhammad Yahya””for me MGA is a true prophet sent by God(Yalash)”
I For me Mirca is a
“Look at the way you put his(MGA)Picture , what kind of Islam is this?
“Look at the way I Did mine”
“with yourself you said muslim
with me you Said Qadiani when i call myself a Muslim”
“Look at the way you put my prophet Picture next to me it’s is not nice”

00:11:53 Brother Imtiaz Asks Dr Yahya
the Same question again.
“ Why did you say Imtiaz is used to running away? Let’s see if he runs away today?” “what was the purpose of the tweet?””why did you do that?”

00:11:58 Dr Yahya Says ” If you don’t ran away today then I will ask for apology/forgiveness live “*** (The stream was 5:16:47 long Dr Yahya never apologized)

00:12:00 Brother Imtiaz ” When it comes to your belief we know What you call Mirza, If we were to put this fairness Of yours in a scale . then we will have to be equal, Since you Dr Yahya Call him (mirza) a prophet, you already Know what’s is our alida when it Comes to mirza and I dont want to repent myself we aren’t talking about our akidas at the moment, We are talking abund you and me”.(Dr Yahya and Imtiaz Bhai)
“‘we only had one Topic and the time and date was set. Ehy did you say Imtiaz Ran away?”

00:14143 Dr Yahya Says “you ran away some many times from debates that I named you Imtiaz Run away”
xxx No proof provided xxx.
“Do you remember the 3 Ref?”

00:15:51 Brother Imtiaz  If you went to talk about the 3 Ref do it in my presence.
“this 3 Ref was the one we had set the date on” (the time and date was already Set for the debate regarding the 3 ref.)

00:17:44 Dr Yahya “I try to set a debate for the 3 ref it never happened”
” I tried to talk about this topic in your stream it never happened.”
“Dr Imran continuely interupted me. Then later its was called a debate.”
“I am requesting let bygones be bygones”” let them go”(Dr Yahya trying to show he is willing to let things go)***

00:19:27 Dr Yahya agrees
to have Brother Imtiaz present
When talking abust the 3 ref.

00:21:18 Dr Yahya again agrees to have Brother Imtiaz present
When talking abust the 3 ref.
00:02:44 -00:23:13.
summary is about Dr. Yahya, trying to justify calling Imtiaz Bhai “Imtiaz runaway” and his tweet online then complains about his name and it not being respectful having his picture next to his picture prophets  then complains about Dr. Imran and lies that the time and date was not set for the debate. After words tries showing the word he is the better man by saying “let bygones be bygones”. Also Dr Yahya agrees to apologize in the live stream if Brother Imtiaz does not leave his stream.
00:23:15
Discussion about the terms of the debate,
Dr Yahga.
1st debate Date 15 June 2024 both agreed.
00:43:43
2nd debate Date 29 June 2024 both Agreed
00:48:08
Dr Yahya answers the question of what is the meaning of (khahe al thelalath)
→ verse with only one menning.
→ any veres with multiple meanings Can’t be used and Dr Yahya Quotes Schalars to prove his point.
00:49:34
Brother Imtaiz brings Ref from :
RK Vol 16 pg 186
RK Vol 4 pg 190
RK Vol 4 pg 169

Bashir Shah, [9/1/2024 10:33 AM]
All Ref of mirza defining what (khahe al thelalath) is and Dr Yahya agrees to all.
1.09:40
Dr Yahge try to make it Seem like Brother Imtiaz has said
” That He mufaseroon has made
mistakes when translating the Quran”
Botle Imtiaz Correct him (Dr Yahya)Saying thats
“Your (Dr Yahya) understanding not mine”
Dr Yahya agrees.
1:17:26 → Brother Imtiaz shows Ref in regards to mirza saying “I am the Haqamal and Adal “
“Cant use scholars excuse or sect card to prove points use me mirza as the Haqam and Adal for Quran and Hadith . If I say a Hadith is Shahi then it is so or if I translate the Quran, then that translation is the right translation.”
RK vol 18 pg 424.
M Vol 2nd pg 25
1:29:05
Brother Imtiaz ask Dr. Yahya “all you have to say right now is that Mirza is not Hujah on me then I won’t use Mirza‘s books”
1:29:10.
Dr Yahya Reply’s. “This i what you call what , I can’t say.”
“ I am saying let’s talk from the Quran and the Quran tells us to refer to the Quran and his Prophet”
“ I am saying Mirza‘s book are Hujat on me”
1:30:17 “ this is what you’re saying Mirza said “
“This is called CHUR DARWAZA.”
(Dr Yahya doesn’t want to use Mirza‘s books during the debate)

1:31:02 Brotter Indiaz shows Ref.
maluzat Vol py 25→. Dr yahya 92 agree.
Kudbate Mahmud 8 pg 455 ,457 and 456**( there is a word here which I don’t know how to say)
1:35:00 Dr Yahya: without addressing 👆the provided ref. moves to another ref RK Vol 11-14.
which ends of up proving exactly what brother Imtiaz was saying. “I am the one who decides what is acceptable and what is not”(mirza)
Then Dr Yahya acuses Broter Imtiaz of gong to the mufaseroon and not the Quran, When the Fact of the matter is that Brother Imtiaz said for us Muslims.
Dr Yahya wants to use the Quran Hadith and scholars.(After saying that mirza’s book is binding on him)
Brother Imtiaz wants to use the Quran Hadith and mirza’s books but Dr Yahya doesn’t agree.
1:38:14 Brotler Imtiaz Say: “Ref are the saying the same thing”
“We are saying the same thing”
Reference (kudbath mamus)8 saf 457.
The Qadiani Khalifa Qoutes his dad mirza and proves brother Imtiaz s point.
“ is Mirza’s words/books Huja on you or not”
1:42:20 Dr Yahya didnt answer the question.
1:43:30 Dr Yahya Repate exactly what was being Said.
1:50:43 Dr Yahya shows the terms again and doesn’t want to use Mas books again.
1:52:01 Brother Imtiaz again asks “ is Mirza’s words/books Huja on you or not” kolerasul***
1:52:15 Dr Yahya, “Mirza is Hujat on me”
1:54:46 Dr Yahya says (tik hai) which mean ok he agrees to use mirza’s books kolerasul***
00:23:15-1:54:46 terms and what is Kathi dalalat*** Dr Yahya refusing to use his prophet mirza’s books.
1:54:57 Dr Yahga bring te terms ayain.
1: 58:02 Brother Imtiaz First Starts Stating the Akida of the muslims. According to the muslims prophethood start at Adam (As) and Ended at Mohammad (SAW).
1:59:07 Imtiaz Bhai Akida on Isa(AS)
“Before the last day Isa (AS)will return”
Bring any Scholar From Ahle Sunna and ask them if this is our Akida regarding Isa (AS).
“What I am abut to present is the belief Of the whole Sunna Jammat.
2:01:24 Dr Yahya
“Show me your Akida”
2:01:35
Brother Intraz shares his Screen.
and Dr Yahya reads it.
2:03:35 Dr Yahya says “ I have 2 to 3 questions regarding this.” (Which end up being more.)
1. After the finish of prophethood does Revelation stop or continues?
2:03:48  Brother Imtiaz reminds Dr Yahya this is not the topic and Dr Yahya remarks” so you won’t answer”
2:03:54 Dr Yahya
2. Ask a question which brother Imtiaz say he will answer during the debate.
3. When Isa (AS) will return will he be a Prophet? (Brother Imtiaz answers once a Prophet always a Prophet.)*** this is a summary of the answer.
2:05:48
4. Will the Muslims have to believe in Isa(AS) when he returns? Brother Imtiaz Muslims already believe in Isa(AS).
2:06:09 Dr Yahya
“Let me rephrase my question
When Isa(AS) will return again, accoording to you, you Said that his mission of prophethood has ended to bani Isreal , now Isa(AS) is a Jew an Israeli will people still believe in him?”
2:06:41

Bashir Shah, [9/1/2024 10:33 AM]
brother Imtiaz reply.” This has nothig to do with He topic but while we are tate talking in the to debate. you know will have a back and forth, having Crosse questioning as well, the question is a good question but its not part of the topic.
2.07:12
Dr Yahya question.
5) Will Isa CASD get revelation when he comes?
Brother Imtiaz reply this has nothing to do with the topic.
2:07:22
6. Who will teach Isa(AS) the  Quran?
Bro Imtiaz answer this not part of the debate.
Then Dr Yahya ask “do you know or not?
Brother Imtiaz remind Dr Yahya the terms of the Debate.
2:08:19 Dr Yahya shares his Screen and asks “are you the repersentive of of all the muslims?” reply. ” I am
part of Ahle sunnat and we agree on the Akida.
2:10:41. Brother Imtiaz makes It clear that he is talking about Ahle Sanat wal Jammat.
2:11:14. Dr Yahya makes a Comment
(ALle tashi)*** Shia
2:11:40 Brother Imtiaz makes it clear he doesn’t have knowledge about the
(Ahle tashi)***Shia
2:12:45 Dr Yahya Comments on all
Sects and insists on using all sects Scholars. (When mirza har made it claao not to do this ) → note…
“You will have to make a fatwa on peope who Say different”
2:15:31 Bro Imtiaz let me make it clear, let only us the Quran , hadith(kolerasul)***
2:17:44 Our whole the docussin is on Akida and not thakleed***(the spelling might be wrong)
2:18:41 Dr Yahya is insiting on using elders and scholars and is keeps putting Shia and Sunni in the Same boat and also starts using the Shia Akida.
2:21:39 Brother Imtaiz reminds Dr Yahya. not to brake the conditions.. not to use shai’s as ref. “I will defend the Ahle Sunnat”.
2:23:17: Brother Imtiaz reminds Dr Yahya ,he has 4 weeks ” bring
a Alim from Alhe Sunnut and
ask if this is not their Akida”***(in regards to Ref provided)
1. “You have a whole months and I have given you our Akida bring Alims and ask thems about
our Akida( Ref shown in the stream)
2. “don’t waste time.”
“We agreed Ousan and Hadith “.(kolerasul)
2:25:03 Dr Yahya again brings ref from scholars after agreeing not to( pulls the kafir card)***
2:27:20 Brother Imtiaz again reminds Dr Yahya Quran and Hadith (kolerasul) according to the agreed terms.
2:28:49 Brother Imtiaz remind Dr. Yahir not to play the kafir game because Razi of Ahmed answers called a person who left the Qadiani cult a kafir. This person prays and calls himself a Muslim. “Why did he (razi)do that? “**(We never got the answer) “don’t go on the takfir again”.
2:32:00 Dr Yahya again wants to quote Scholass again.
“It my right to use scholars”
“I will use both Sunni and Shai Scholars you will have to defend them”
” you wil have to put the kukr fatwa on them ,i will use them”
2:36:57 Brother Imtiaz . “I have to keep repeating myself “
“you wanted to use the Quran and Sunnah.”(kolerasul)
Brother Imtiaz also say ask call and ask the people of those sects, I am not representing them.
“what is Huja on me is Quran and Hadtih.”(kolerasul)
2:40:47 Dr Yahya.→ Repeats. the same thing again.***(basically I want to use scholars and not talk about Mirza)
2:46:16 **1935 the Qadiani during time of the British were already declared kafirs. After 10 years. of hearing in court.*
2:48:41 Dr Yahya reply’s in regards to 1935 hearing in court*** “ Mohammad (SAW) 1400 years ago was declared a Kafir”*** (نَعُوْذُ بِاللهِ)
2:49:00 Dr Yahya Repents himself again.
2:53:22: Brother Imtiaz asks Dr Yahya ” What is your reasons for not only Sticking to the Quran and Sunnah (Kole Rusul) ?.”
Why do you want to hide
behide the Scholars?
2:53:37 Dr Yahya ” unfortunately all the scholars are munafiq. Unfortunately.”
“ I want to use the Quran and Hadith /mirza’s books . I already agreed to it”
“The solution is bring the scholars”
(Dr Yahya thinks the solution is the scholars)
2:54:30 Brother Imtiaz interrupts Dr Yahya asking him not to misqute him. Akida is referenced again.
” we all have the same Akida” (ref the stream Ref)
again brother Imtiaz Says “Let go back to Quran and Sunna.”(kolerasul)
2:55:58 Dr Yahya “Your ulama have become Munafiq”

Bashir Shah, [9/1/2024 10:33 AM]
“When bring a ulama he will have to agree with Your Akida and if he is a Deobandi he will have to call all the others kafir”
**(He wants each scholar to come and call the others kafirs)
2:57:51 Broter Imtiaz”your adding more conditions” “If anyone was to watch this stream they will see that the Drum the Qadianis beat about we follow the Quran and Sunnah is not the case because you(Qadiani) are hiding behind the scholars”
” the person you are talking to his speciality is Takfir say bismilallah and let’s start the debate on takfir.”
**(Bother Imtiaz Challenges Dr Yahya to a debate Right now on the topic of Takfir)
again brother Imtiaz ask Dr Yahya to come back to Quran And Sunnah/mirzas books “if you dont want to then ,dont repeat your Questions”!
2:59:57 Dr Yahya now says.” We are not talking about takfir.”
“We are discusing the finality of Prophethood and the Coming of Isa (AS) in the light of Quran and Hadith” Then Dr Yahya again wants to talk about Scholars,Shias and accuss brotter Intaiz of Running.
“you know that your elders  in regards to your Akida have gone against the Quran and Sunnah.
again Dr Yahya Goes on about the different Sects of Islam.(basically repents himself again.)
3:02: 01 Brother Imtiaz
“Now it has been determind that you
don’t want to use the Quran and Hadith / mirzas books”.(kolerasul)
3:02:12 Dr Yahya ” Didn’t your Elders use the Quran and Hadith?”
03:02:29 Brother Imtiaz tells Dr Yahya not to gas light.
“Dont mention the Shias again. I have reminded you again”
“Let’s call any Aalim and ask them.”
“Stop repeating Yourself we have already agreed to term and the topic and we will duscus this on
He 15th.”
“Do you want to use Quran and Sunnah (Kolerasul) or not?”
03:05:25 Dr Yahya again mentions the Shia. then goes on about Elders and Scholars again.
03:06:16 Bro Imtiaz, “When it comes to MGA’S books you want as to tell us “we will tell you what he means ” 15 pages before and 15 pages after”
“Do you say this or not? “Dr Yahya, answers yes.
“When it comes to others you (Qadianis) dont do the same.why?”
(Brother Imtiaz ask him the Same Question Again)
“Will we be using the Quran and Sunnah (kolerasul)”
03:07:28 Dr Yahya. Says” you didnt unsterstand my Question”and again
repeats himself.
03:08:10 Bro Imtiaz “The Conditions are set.” again reminds Dr Yahya the Conditins of the Debate. Quran and Saran Sunnah/. mizas books(kolerasul). and if you want to talk about other Scholars we can do that right now I am Sitting here right now.
03:10:51 Dr Yahya again wants to talk about the scholars of old.
** shows a ref which has nothing to do with the debate.
** accuses Brother Imtiaz of running again.
03:13:49 Brother Imtiaz “be mature” again asks Dr Yahya “do you want to show the people who is following the Quran and kolerasul or not?”
“Don’t say running”
“We will start with thazirunnas”**
“I am ready let’s finish this than start”
03:18:12 Dr Yahya mentions Shia again .then starts showing ref on screen.
03:21:22 Brother Imtiaz reminds to Dr Yahya what the stream is for.
03:21:52 Dr Yahya. “your Scholar has has Said a that another scholar has attacked the finality  of prophethood” and also ask why he can’t show ref.
03.22:10 brother Imtiaz ask Dr Yahya
“What does your Abdul Gaffar Jamba hare to Say about Bashir udeen M**. Due tell the people”?.
03:22:27 Dr Yahya. Doesn’t answer the Question and calls him “Gumrah”**
then ask Brother Imtiaz to call the Scholars of old “Gumrah” loses his Cool.
03:22:58 Brother Imtiaz “you said you wanted to show ref so people can
See what so and so Aalim called so and so” “MGA’s follower’s 2 of them that are MGA’s followers What are they calling each other, will you tell the people?”
03.23:23 Dr Yahya Says he can’t understand the question but Abdul Gaffar Jamba “Gumrah”. and Calls Brother Imtiaz an coward and munafiq.
03:24:13 Brother Imtiaz ” don’t  mix 2 things” ” dont point fingers at others when your own hous is a mess” come back to the topic. “I will remain till you ask me to leave.” . again I” will ask you to come back to the Quran and kolerasul.***”
03:26.28 Dr Yahya.

Bashir Shah, [9/1/2024 10:33 AM]
again starts to talk about the Scholars of old and thinks that the Scholars are hujja on Muslims and asks for a fatwa.
03:28:38 Bro Imtiaz. Summarizes the whole discussion and reminds Dr Yahya the terms of the Debate, ” For a hour you haw been stock on the
Scholars” .
03:33:30 Dr Yahya Summury and repeats himself. again. again trys to show ref. mentions Shias
again. “I didnt break the terms.”
03:39.30 Brother Imtiaz  “I dont the know the Akida of the
Shia”. “Don’t Say running”.
“Take 1 Aalim name either Barialwe,Deyobond and Ahle Hadith
Who doesn’t agree on the Akida I have
Presented”
***03:39:30
Topic Show m Rollerance from Any Scholars Who dont have the same Akida that was mentIon mentioned and show it on the Straem. Topic ends ***05:09:57
05:09:57 Dr Yahya Gives thanks to Bother Imtiaz for Coming to his stream.
05:10:20 Bro Imtiaz Gives thanks. and Ask if you talk about anything mentined in todays stream “do call me so talk about it.”
05:16:47 The stream ended .
Dr Yahya never apologized for saying “Imtiaz ran away “ and his tweets
Timestamp 00:11:58***

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