Intro
In this video, Mirza Tahir Ahmad (the 4th Qadiani-Ahmadi Khalifa) tells the world that no additional prophets can come after MGA. This info was collected by Adbur Raoof.
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Full break down and analysis
Part1
The questioner.
My 1st question is according to the Ahmadi Akida Prophethood is not closed (Nabuwat
is not closed) the series(silsala) and if any prophet comes will he also be a Mahdi/
worthy of the title mahdi?
Mirza Tahir.
1. Mirza Tahir doesn’t like the way the question is phrased and say it doesn’t alien with
their Akida.
2. If I agree with it I will agree with a lot of miss understandings.
3. Ahmadiyya Akida/belief is:
The last prophet with a Shria/law bearing is Mohammad (SAW).
No new Shria/law bearing Prophet can come.
Mohammad (SAW) is **Ammar.
In 2 way we understand Mohammad (SAW) as Khatam
A) He (SAW) more Afzal /Aala
B) In relation to all the Prophets He(SAW) Shariat is complete for He(SAW) and the
Book he brought.
“Being His (SAW) slave, not being away from being a slave in the Ummat of
Mohammad (SAW), and staying within the limitations of Quran and the saying of
Prophet (SAW) any Ummati Prophet can come it and this it not against the Quran or
considered Munafi. This is our Akida.”
And to prove this we provide this verse of the Quran:
And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger – those will be with the ones upon whom
Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs
and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions. (4:69) Correct meaning.
Mirza Tahirs translation:
Starting today whoever obeys Allah and his Messenger (SAW). These are those people
who will get the reward of with the companionship with those who get the reward.
Then Mirza Tahir goes on a Anti-Ahmadi rant.
“the reward still continues till this day”
The face of the questioner show he doesn’t agree with Tahir.***
Then mirza Tahir trys to explain what muslims believe.
the Ulima hide the dua(oo Allah give me death with the people of good).lie***.
Accordion to this translation (ref Mirza Tahir Translation)
“From the slaves of Mohammad (SAW) which ever reward Allah want to give HE will
give.”
“this is open” “but how many will get this reward is not up to any human besides what
Mohammad(SAW) said, this will solve the problem.”
The Promised Messiah (MGA) in regards to this was that when it comes to Ummati
Prophets the Quran has Qathi verses(verses which have one meaning)
Mohammad(SAW) saying are also there(referring the Ummati Prophets), whoever say
they are a Ummati Prophet it is mandatory on him to show verses from the Quran and
Hadiths.
He (MGA) says that in regards to the coming Messiah MGA says between Me (MGA)
and Him(SAW) there will be no prophet. Which means there is “no prophet after me”
and “Katim” were both translated/used by him (MGA) . Meaning getting the status of
Prophethood between Me (SAW) and the Messiah no one will be born. But a Nabi, Isa
Nabi or Messi Maud is not Mustasna(separated/excluded). He will for sure get the
reward of prophethood. In relation to this MGA showed reference from Sahih Muslim
Wazahat (Vivid description, Clarification) and Qatiyat(hadith which has only one
meaning) saying Isa(AS) Nabiula will do this and will do that, not the Isa(AS) of the past
but the coming Isa(AS) is called a Nabiula.
Massi Maud(MGA) says what my claim is , my claim is I am not munafi when is comes
the this Hadtih and Quran. Wherever I claimed to be a Ummati Prophet, there I have
also claimed the Massi Maud and any Massi can not be proven truthful until he claims to
be a Nabi according to the Hadith these two this are tied together.
“You should ask the Ulima, it’s your job to ask them . Are denying the Massi because he
claimed to be a Nabi? And if he will deny that then show them the Hadith.how can you
be truthful when Mohammad(SAW) is calling the Massi Nabiulah. They don’t let you put
your feet here nor ther. Tazad is in their thinking not Mohammad (SAW). All hadith are
interlinked with one another.”
“MGA “if a ummati nabuwat can come it is not only limited to me.” If need be a ummati
can come again. If someone worthy if being a Ummati and being a Massihiyat and
Nabiyat can be rewarded then Gods hands aren’t tied. The condition is this that he be a
Taabe(Obedient) not bring a new Shariat ,obey the sayings of the prophet and Jasarat(
Recklessness/ Boldness) to go against the Hadith.”
“The muslims should heed to the this that the one that come come as reward not as a
Lannat. As a rewad not as a Lannat.The one that come calling them Lannat or the
cliamait is called a lannat and to say we won’t tolerate a person claiming prophethood.”
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Mohammad (SAW) VS Mirza Gulam Ahamd Qadian.
Sahih al-Bukhari » Revelation – كتاب بدء الوحى
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:
Abu Sufyan bin Harb informed me that Heraclius had sent a messenger to him while he had been accompanying a caravan from Quraish. They were merchants doing business in Sham (Syria,
Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan), at the time when Allah's Apostle had truce with Abu Sufyan and
Quraish infidels. So Abu Sufyan and his companions went to Heraclius at Ilya
(Jerusalem). Heraclius called them in the court and he had all the senior Roman dignitaries around
him. He called for his translator who, translating Heraclius's question said to them, "Who amongst
you is closely related to that man who claims to be a Prophet?" Abu Sufyan replied, "I am the
nearest relative to him (amongst the group)."
Heraclius said, "Bring him (Abu Sufyan) close to me and make his companions stand behind him."
Abu Sufyan added, Heraclius told his translator to tell my companions that he wanted to put some
questions to me regarding that man (The Prophet) and that if I told a lie they (my companions)
should contradict me." Abu Sufyan added, "By Allah! Had I not been afraid of my companions
labeling me a liar, I would not have spoken the truth about the Prophet. The first question he asked
me about him was:
'What is his family status amongst you?'
I replied, 'He belongs to a good (noble) family amongst us.'
Heraclius further asked, 'Has anybody amongst you ever claimed the same (i.e. to be a Prophet)
before him?'
I replied, 'No.'
He said, 'Was anybody amongst his ancestors a king?'
I replied, 'No.'
Heraclius asked, 'Do the nobles or the poor follow him?'
I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.'
He said, 'Are his followers increasing decreasing (day by day)?'
I replied, 'They are increasing.'
He then asked, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his religion become displeased and
renounce the religion afterwards?'
I replied, 'No.'
Heraclius said, 'Have you ever accused him of telling lies before his claim (to be a Prophet)?'
I replied, 'No. '
Heraclius said, 'Does he break his promises?'
I replied, 'No. We are at truce with him but we do not know what he will do in it.' I could not find
opportunity to say anything against him except that.
Heraclius asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?'
I replied, 'Yes.'
Then he said, 'What was the outcome of the battles?'
I replied, 'Sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.'
Heraclius said, 'What does he order you to do?'
I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah and Allah alone and not to worship anything along with Him, and
to renounce all that our ancestors had said. He orders us to pray, to speak the truth, to be chaste
and to keep good relations with our Kith and kin.'
Heraclius asked the translator to convey to me the following, I asked you about his family and your
reply was that he belonged to a very noble family. In fact all the Apostles come from noble families
amongst their respective peoples. I questioned you whether anybody else amongst you claimed
such a thing, your reply was in the negative. If the answer had been in the affirmative, I would have
thought that this man was following the previous man's statement. Then I asked you whether anyone
of his ancestors was a king. Your reply was in the negative, and if it had been in the affirmative, I
would have thought that this man wanted to take back his ancestral kingdom.
I further asked whether he was ever accused of telling lies before he said what he said, and your
reply was in the negative. So I wondered how a person who does not tell a lie about others could
ever tell a lie about Allah. I, then asked you whether the rich people followed him or the poor. You
replied that it was the poor who followed him. And in fact all the Apostle have been followed by this
very class of people. Then I asked you whether his followers were increasing or decreasing. You
replied that they were increasing, and in fact this is the way of true faith, till it is complete in all
respects. I further asked you whether there was anybody, who, after embracing his religion, became
displeased and discarded his religion. Your reply was in the negative, and in fact this is (the sign of)
true faith, when its delight enters the hearts and mixes with them completely. I asked you whether he
had ever betrayed. You replied in the negative and likewise the Apostles never betray. Then I asked
you what he ordered you to do. You replied that he ordered you to worship Allah and Allah alone and
not to worship any thing along with Him and forbade you to worship idols and ordered you to pray, to
speak the truth and to be chaste. If what you have said is true, he will very soon occupy this place
underneath my feet and I knew it (from the scriptures) that he was going to appear but I did not know
that he would be from you, and if I could reach him definitely, I would go immediately to meet him
and if I were with him, I would certainly wash his feet.' Heraclius then asked for the letter addressed
by Allah's Apostle
which was delivered by Dihya to the Governor of Busra, who forwarded it to Heraclius to read. The
contents of the letter were as follows: "In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful (This letter
is) from Muhammad the slave of Allah and His Apostle to Heraclius the ruler of Byzantine. Peace be
upon him, who follows the right path. Furthermore I invite you to Islam, and if you become a Muslim
you will be safe, and Allah will double your reward, and if you reject this invitation of Islam you will be
committing a sin of Arisiyin (tillers, farmers i.e. your people). And (Allah's Statement:)
'O people of the scripture! Come to a word common to you and us that we worship none but Allah
and that we associate nothing in worship with Him, and that none of us shall take others as Lords
beside Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are Muslims (those who have
surrendered to Allah).' (3:64).
Abu Sufyan then added, "When Heraclius had finished his speech and had read the letter, there
was a great hue and cry in the Royal Court. So we were turned out of the court. I told my
companions that the question of Ibn-Abi-Kabsha) (the Prophet Muhammad) has become so
prominent that even the King of Bani Al-Asfar (Byzantine) is afraid of him. Then I started to become
sure that he (the Prophet) would be the conqueror in the near future till I embraced Islam (i.e. Allah
guided me to it)."
The sub narrator adds, "Ibn An-Natur was the Governor of llya' (Jerusalem) and Heraclius was the
head of the Christians of Sham. Ibn An-Natur narrates that once while Heraclius was visiting ilya'
(Jerusalem), he got up in the morning with a sad mood. Some of his priests asked him why he was
in that mood? Heraclius was a foreteller and an astrologer. He replied, 'At night when I looked at the
stars, I saw that the leader of those who practice circumcision had appeared (become the
conqueror). Who are they who practice circumcision?' The people replied, 'Except the Jews nobody
practices circumcision, so you should not be afraid of them (Jews).
'Just Issue orders to kill every Jew present in the country.'
While they were discussing it, a messenger sent by the king of Ghassan to convey the news of
Allah's Apostle to Heraclius was brought in. Having heard the news, he (Heraclius) ordered the
people to go and see whether the messenger of Ghassan was circumcised. The people, after seeing
him, told Heraclius that he was circumcised. Heraclius then asked him about the Arabs. The
messenger replied, 'Arabs also practice circumcision.'
(After hearing that) Heraclius remarked that sovereignty of the 'Arabs had appeared. Heraclius then
wrote a letter to his friend in Rome who was as good as Heraclius in knowledge. Heraclius then left
for Homs. (a town in Syrian and stayed there till he received the reply of his letter from his friend who
agreed with him in his opinion about the emergence of the Prophet and the fact that he was a
Prophet. On that Heraclius invited all the heads of the Byzantines to assemble in his palace at
Homs. When they assembled, he ordered that all the doors of his palace be closed. Then he came
out and said, 'O Byzantines! If success is your desire and if you seek right guidance and want your
empire to remain then give a pledge of allegiance to this Prophet (i.e. embrace Islam).'
(On hearing the views of Heraclius) the people ran towards the gates of the palace like onagers but
found the doors closed. Heraclius realized their hatred towards Islam and when he lost the hope of
their embracing Islam, he ordered that they should be brought back in audience.
(When they returned) he said, 'What already said was just to test the strength of your conviction and
I have seen it.' The people prostrated before him and became pleased with him, and this was the
end of Heraclius's story (in connection with his faith).
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 7
In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith
Question? Mohammad (SAW) Mirza
What is his family status
amongst you?
'He belongs to a good (noble)
family amongst us.’
He belongs to a family of
traitors.
'Has anybody amongst you
ever claimed the same (i.e. to
be a Prophet) before him?'
'No’. yes
'Was anybody amongst his
ancestors a king?’
'No’. yes
'Do the nobles or the poor
follow him?’
'It is the poor who follow him.' Noble
'Are his followers increasing
decreasing (day by day)?
'They are increasing.' N/A
'Does anybody amongst those
who embrace his religion
become displeased and
renounce the religion
afterwards?'
'No.' Yes, after mirza lost the
debate his people left him.
'Have you ever accused him of
telling lies before his claim (to
be a Prophet)?'
'No' Yes
'Does he break his promises?' 'No’ Yes
'Have you ever had a war with
him?'
‘Yes.' No, was a coward and
protected by the British
(Cross)
'What was the outcome of the
battles?’
'Sometimes he was victorious
and sometimes we.'
N/A
'What does he order you to
do?'
'He tells us to worship Allah
and Allah alone and not to
worship anything along with
Him, and to renounce all that
our ancestors had said. He
orders us to pray, to speak the
truth, to be chaste and to keep
Obey Him and The British
rulers.
good relations with our Kith
and kin.'
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