LIVESTREAM: Death of Prophet Isa (as) - Part 2-review by Dr. Shah

Intro
In Nov-2025, the True Islam UK live stream was hosted by an Maulvi Usman Butt, + Razi and Raheel were also on the panel. This seems to be Part-2 of a previous stream. Check out my video response + Brother Omar and Arise and Warn.

They basically argued that Islam lives if Eisa (as) dies! Maulvi Raheel lied about Al-Tabari too and his views on Eisa (As).

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–At 2:20, they play an emotional video by Mirza Tahir Ahmad wherein he defiantly spoke to the Muslim World about his family business and their ambitions. Mirza Tahir Ahmad doesn’t care about Ahmadi’s dying! He said Ahmadi’s are ready to die! They don’t care! Mirza Tahir Ahmad says that Muslims only have to being one person back to life and they win! All Muslims have to do is bring Jesus (as) to life, from the dead! Mirza Tahir Ahmad disrespectfully says that Eisa (as) is above us (in the heavens), why doesn’t he come down!

–At 7:15, the host begins speaking,

–At 10:33, Maulvi Razi starts speaking, at 11:20, Maulvi Razi mentioned Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, a leader from Deoband (See Malfuzat-7, online English edition, pages 339-342). Did Gangohi say that Allah can lie? Gangohi only said that Allah has the power to do so.

–At 14:04, Maulvi Razi quotes MGA who wrote that the life of Eisa (as) was an error that Muslims believed in. It is like a serpent. MGA clearly adjusted Islam to appease the British and their missionaries.

–At 17:23, the host says why wasn’t Muhammad (Saw) taken up, but he was! They always compare the prophets.

–At 17:45, Maulvi Raheel starts speaking. At 18:20, Maulvi Raheel alleges that the Quran said that Jesus (as) is dead. Maulvi Raheel alleges that Muhammad (saw) said so too! Aqal? The issue of ijma. What is the definition of ijma? Raheel says that Ahmadi’s believe in the ijma of the sahaba. Raheel alleges that scholars couldn’t reconcile between Nuzul ul maseeh and the end of prophethood. 20:44, scholars can make mistakes, throw their statements on the wall if there is no support in Quran or Sunnah. Scholars can be mistaken.

–At 21:36, Maulvi Raheel goes through Tabari, and the views that he listed about the life of Eisa (as). Raheel alleges that view #1 is that Ibn Abbas said mumeetuka, however, Raheel didn’t give a scan. Raheel then alleges that View #2 is that Eisa (As) has died and the second coming will be in someone who resembles Eesa (as) in his qualities. Raheel then alleges that View #3 is that Eisa (As) Tawaffa means sleep and Eisa (as)

–At 27:32, Maulvi Raheel mentions Ibn Rushd and his view. At 28:00, Raheel alleges that there is no ijma of the scholars.

–At 28:30, Maulvi Razi begins speaking. Imam Malik only said that Eisa (as) died only at age 33. Raheel says that these views aren’t binding. Maulvi Raheel says that Muslims present MGA anyway they want and thus that is what he and Razi are also doing. At 31:00, Maulvi Razi says that Imam Suyuti believes that Allah has NO direction, i.e., Allah is not above. Imam Suyuti has different views on Wahi? hain? Suyuti is close to the Ahmadi’s? Is that a joke? 32:45, couplets in Arabic about Eisa (As) being alive in the sky and Muhammad (Saw) is dead? But Muhammad (Saw) has everlasting life. Krishna and Buddha ascended to heaven? Zoroaster? Rama? Some Muslims believe that 4 prophets are still alive, Ahmad Rida Khan? At 35:53, Mujahid says that Eisa (as) is alive and was lifted alive. At 39:37, Muhammad (saw) said that someone in this ummah will be Eisa (As)?

–At 40:17, Athim and Padre Imad ud Din left Islam over the issues with Eisa (as)?

–At 43:11, Muslims will reject the Messiah like the Jews did? I thought we pray to be like them? 73 sects! Raheel admits that Muslims are united. Raheel doesn’t care about hadith grading. The Muslim messiah didn’t fit the interpretation that the ulema of the time had.

–At 50:17, the host says the majority of Muslims are wrong. How? Maulvi Razi says that the majority is always wrong. What happened with ijma? 50 verses? Adam and the hadith of Bukhari to take your family out of Hell. Was it Isaac or Ishmael? Tabari or Qurtubi? In the end times, Islam will be a small group? Ghareeb? But they will be the best of people. Allah condemns the majority? But Ahmadiyya will be in majority someday? Majority will be on biddah.

–At 58:39, Jews rejected their Messiah.

–At 1:04:10, Raheel says that people have to accept the Messiah, then peace will come, what about the Jalalee Messiah?

–At 1:06:00, even if Eisa (as) has died, why can’t he still physically return? Raheel quotes 19:33 of the Quran (19:34 in the Kadiani Koran). 5:116 is also quoted and 3:55. Tawaffa is used for natural death? People die, then Rafia o ka elayhaa! 39:42 is also quoted. Tawaffa means raised up? Only 2 meanings of Tawaffa? This was MGA’s challenge?

–At 1:11:00, those that have passed away will never return? He presents some type of exception to a rule. He wanted to come back into this world and die again.

–At 1:15:00, Maulvi Razi quotes 5:75, the word ALL is not there. 21:8 also. This verse only addresses the divinity of Eisa (as) and Mary (as). 21:34, Muhammad (Saw) was not given everlasting life and his body won’t rot? Razi admitted to NO Decay! However, this contradicts Mirza Masroor Ahmad.

–At 1:21:00, Razi alleges that ibn Kathir did Taweel. Razi admitted that Ibn Kathir believes that Eisa (As) is still alive. If Musa (As) and Eisa (as) were alive, they would follow Muhammad (Saw). Even Tabari says that Muhammad (Saw) was given everlasting life and not subject to decay. Razi admits that Eisa (as) was excluded from many verses. Raheel says that the word Tawaffa is more significant than maut. The opposite of Eisa (as) being killed is mutawafeeka? Tawaffa for a dog? hain? At 1:27:00, why isn’t the word Maut used for Eisa (as)? 16:22 of the Quran. Raheel alleges that Muslims are giving daleel to Christians to use against Islam, since Muslims say that Eisa (as) is alive. 1:32:30, Eisa (as) will die in the future. Madoodi on 5:75? Ibn Taymeen?

–At 1:35:28, the host quotes 21:98 of the Quran (21:99 in the Kadiani Koran). Maulvi Raheel then quotes 10:28. At 1:38:28, Maulvi Raheel accuses some Barelvi’s of grave worship. Maulvi Raheel makes some kind of weird distinction between Eisa (As) asking people to worship him or not. At 1:40:40, Maulvi Raheel admits that Al-Tabari gives all deviant views. Tabari wrote “it is said” many times. Maulvi Raheel admitted that this is not their personal view.

At 1:41:12, Maulvi Razi begins speaking after being asked about ijma of the sahaba. Razi alleges that there was ijma of the sahaba on 3:144 and 5:75. Ibn Abbas also said mumeetuka, Razi alleges that this is ijma of the sahaba. Razi then alleges to have ijma on 3:81. Razi says that the primary object of 3:81 is Muhammad (Saw), however, Razi hints at secondary meanings as well. Maulvi Razi argues that this verse alleges that Eisa (As) is dead.

–At 1:46:00, did Eisa (As) announce his death? Razi quoted 5:116 and other verses like 61:6 (Ismuhu Ahmad).

–At 1:53:40, Raheel mentions Yahya (as). 5:75, they used to eat.

–At 1:56:00, Maulvi Raheel mentions 5:110 of the Quran, Allah restrained (kafaftoo) the children of Israel from touching Eisa (As) and his mother. Maulvi Raheel infers that Allah protected Eisa (as) from death only. He then quotes 5:67 of the Quran.

–At 1:58:40, Maulvi Raheel mentions the moon landing. At 2:00:00, humans can’t go beyond Earth, except with the permission of Allah! At 1:59:45, Maulvi Raheel quoted 55:33 (55:34 in the Kadiani Koran) and argued that Allah said that without the permission of Allah, no one can leave Earth. Raheel alleges that this means that humans have to take food to space. What a lie! In this verse, Allah is talking about the Van Allen radiation belt and how it has trapped humans on Earth.

–At 2:01:15, Maulvi Raheel alleges that Tawaffa always happen before Raffa. Razi says that the life cycle of Yahya (as) is the same as Eisa (as). They were both together during the Miraj. At 2:02:08, Maulvi Razi is mad that Imtiaz isn’t there. The claimant must bring the evidence. At 2:04:10, Maulvi Raheel admits that Mirza Masroor Ahmad has NO political power, Raheel says that heads of state will come to him for advice, this will be his political power.

–At 2:05:00, do Muslims run from Wafat e Maseeh? Maulvi Razi mentions Ilyas Chinioti and alleges that Chinioti told Muslims to attack the character of MGA, not Quran. Razi wants Adnan and Imtiaz to come. At 2:07:00, Razi admits that the physical Nuzul of Eisa (as) is mandatory to believe in via Al-Aqida al-Tahawiyya. Maulvi Razi alleged that MGA said the same (however, a metaphoric return). Maulvi Razi alleges that Muslims have been blindly following their ulema for 1000 years. Razi alleges that Ibn Taymiyyah was pious and said that he didn’t know the details (kafeeya) of Nuzul of Eisa (As), only Allah knows. Maulvi Razi says that Muslims have to re-enter Islam. Muslims are dreaming about Sultaniyya. Maulvi Razi alleges that Muslims that Eisa (As) will save Muslims in the end times and give out money and spread Islam around world and bring world peace and etc. Razi alleges that Ghamidi has done major taweel. Maulvi Razi alleges that Ghamidi believes that a Christian reformer will come in the end times.

–At 2:11:50, Mauvli Raheel says that most people convert to Ahmadiyya over a dream, they read it in! A new convert via a dream!

–At 2:13:40, Idris (as). Maulvi Razi wants a Mubahila or an oath challenge. Maulvi Raheel cries about recent trends on TikTok and hadith rejectors. Raheel wants video editors and needs other help. Razi asks if Imtiaz and Adnan were banned? Raheel mimics Imtiaz and wonders why he didn’t show up. Razi talks about the taxi cab driver who had 5:116 on his tongue all of a sudden.

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View #1, via Al-Tabari

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View #2, al-Ṭāhir ibn Ṭāhir al-Maqdisī, Kuḥl al-Baṣāʾir fī Radd Shubah al-Munkirīn, V-2

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View #3, via Al-Tabari

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Eesa (as) physically ascended (raf’a) to heaven and will die (mutawafeeka) later…

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View #5,

Eesa (as) died for a few hours and then his body was raised up after his death. This group also suggests he would be revived after death. Via Wahb ibn Munabbah.

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View #6,

Eisa (as) died and his body ascended after death, but he will never return. Instead, a reformer will be born among the Christians.

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View #7,

Eisa (as) died a natural death and his body did not ascend. this group is not waiting for anyone to come. An Al-Azhar scholar, Mahmud Shaltut (former Grand Imam of Al-Azhar) believed like this.

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View #8,

The soul of Eisa (as) will go into someone else. al-Ṭāhir ibn Ṭāhir al-Maqdisī, Kuḥl al-Baṣāʾir fī Radd Shubah al-Munkirīn, V-2.

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Pir Mehr Ali Shah said the details are disputed

He said the majority say that Eisa (as) was alive while Rafa.

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Ahmad Rida Khan said some of the details are debatable

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An Al-Azhar scholar, Mahmud Shaltut (former Grand Imam of Al-Azhar) believed like this.

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The view of Ibn Rushd

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The view of Ibn Hazm

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4 prophets are alive?

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The view of Mujahid

Mujahid says that Idris (as) was raised like Eisa (as) and did not die.

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Ibn Taymiyya on al-Khidr

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Tabari on 5:110
https://www.youtube.com/live/_IjMMNYY7HI?si=6Rf6s22hS4DENcDI