Intro
In 2014, the president of the Qadiani Jamaat of Nadiki Goraya district of Sialkot, Mashhood Ahmed Qadiani, had misled about 25-26 people of that area by preaching Qadianism. Influential figures of that area, Maulana Dr. Abdul Ghafoor Ghafari Attari Sahib and Maulana Hafiz Ilyas Goraya Sahib, took action on this issue and invited Mujahid Khatm-e-Nabuwwat Irfan Mahmood Barq Sahib to debate with this Qadiani preacher for the second time on April 8, 2014. Professor Shujaat Ali Mujahid Sahib, Allama Qari Riaz Ahmed Farooqi Sahib, Muhammad Badi-uz-Zaman Bhatti Advocate Sahib, Maulana Syed Anis Shah Sahib and Maulana Muhammad Munir Alvi Sahib also visited the local place to listen to the debate. The Qadiani president suffered a humiliating defeat in the debate, as a result of which the misguided people cursed Qadianism and converted to Islam, and the awareness of the belief in Khatm-e-Nabuwwat was awakened in the entire area. Some important parts of the conversation are presented in this video.
In this debate, the Qadiani preacher refused to answer any and ALL questions and read off of a script, just like what was done in the London debate in 2026. This is the standard, “firqa-firqa” opening that Ahmadi’s have been taught to use.
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https://youtu.be/Hq0oGXm04so?si=Q78kY2wVd-XEfmxM
–At 0:00 to 2:00, Irfan Burq introduced himself as an Ex-Qadiani and said that he is not here to embarrass anyone, simply to help Ahmadi’s with the proper info.
–At 2:15, Irfan Burq says that ALL Muslims call Qadiani’s as Kafirs. In response to this, the Qadiani’s said that anyone who claims to be a Muslim, is a Muslim. Irfan Burq explains that if any Muslim denies a single verse of the Quran, they are not a Muslim.
–At 3:30, Irfan Burq infers how the Qadiani’s add MGA into the Kalima. Irfan Burq said that he asked the Qadiani’s about this, and specifically those who change the meanings of the Kalima. Even these Qadiani’s agreed that if anyone adds to the meanings of the Kalima, they are Kafir. Irfan Burq than quoted Kalimatul Fasl and showed the exact page wherein Mirza Bashir Ahmad said that there was “furq” (difference) in the Muslim Kalima and Qadiani Kalima.
–At 9:20, Irfan Burq showed from MGA’s book, ‘Eik Ghalti Ka Izala”, how MGA claimed to be “Muhammad-Rasool ullah” (via 48:29 of the Quran).
–At 10:30, the Qadiani, Mashhood Ahmed Qadiani begins talking. Firstly, he admits that all the books quoted by Irfan Burq are in fact Qadiani-Ahmadi official sources. Mashhood Ahmed Qadiani says he wants the reference for if anyone changes the meanings of the Kalima, they are Kafir. References are shown to Irfan Burq for approval. Irfan Burq also asks for references.
–At 15:11, the Qadiani, Mashhood Ahmed Qadiani begins reading off of his script of references. Mashhood Ahmad says that if Irfan Burq rejects any of these references, he should speak up. Mashood Qadiani quotes Ashraf Ali Thanvi.
–At 19:20, the Muslims tell the Qadiani that this is not binding upon them. This is a Deobandi book, these Muslims are not Deobandi. Another Muslim speaks up and is upset that this Qadiani played this tactic, the Qadiani knew beforehand that these are Deobandi’s, why is he wasting time? At 20:49, the Qadiani Mashhood Ahmad accepts that these Muslims will not accept this source.
–At 21:00, the Muslim moderator explains how the rules of this debate were that the Qadiani’s could only present information that was approved and accepted (Quran and hadith). However, the Qadiani’s broke that rule. They were supposed to respond to the 2 arguments that were presented by Irfan Burq, instead of that, they distracted the entire conversation. Arguments break out! The Qadiani’s said that this was not a distractor and that their response was in this question, however, the Muslims rejected it entirely.
–At 22:00 Irfan Burq starts talking. the Qadiani Mashhood Ahmad also began talking.
–At 22:30, Mashhood Ahmad starts speaking again and quotes Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani wherein he had written that he possesses the “wujood” of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Another reference from Jilani is also given wherein he alleges to have become Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Mashhood Ahmad argues vehemently that this book belongs to these Deobandi Muslims (like Quran and hadith), however, they all deny it. He then quotes Bayazid Bustami and wherein he called himself the Arsh and many others things. Chisti was also quoted. Shibli was also quoted. The Qadiani was inferring that these people also used this language.
–At 26:38, Irfan Burq began talking and explained how the Qadiani’s are playing games and purposely didn’t answer his question which came with 2 references. Irfan Burq re-explained how his claim is that when the Qadiani’s read the Kalima, they infer MGA into it, whereas Muslims don’t. Irfan Burq explained how the Muslims of Pakistan don’t accept these books for aqida issues. Irfan Burq explains how the books that the Qadiani quoted are inauthentic and tampered with, however, the book that Irfan Burq quoted (Kalimatul Fasl), which is recent and authentic via the Qadiani’s. Irfan Burq explained how if anyone claims to be Muhammad (Saw), they have left Islam. At 33:04, Irfan Burq showed a ref from RK-21 wherein MGA said that Muslims before him were innocent and made mistakes. Irfan Burq said that Muslims accept that their elders did make mistakes. At 34:06, Irfan Burq quoted RK-3, pages 402-403, in this ref, MGA said that in place of his own tongue, someone else is in control (Allah). At 35:41, Irfan Burq quoted RK-5, page 93 (Ainah Kamalate Islam), in this ref, MGA said the Ruh-ul Quddus is always with him. At 37:03, Irfan Burq quoted “Message of Peace” (1908), on the last page, MGA says that he is totally controlled via angels by Allah, thus, MGA says that he only says what Allah allows him to say. Irfan Burq then quoted Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya 1-4 and showed how MGA called this book and all of his books as commentary of the Quran. At 39:53, Irfan Burq showed how MGA wrote that whoever doesn’t give him his bayat, they are destined for Hell. Irfan Burq explains how if Muslim scholars in the past had said weird things about the Kalima, they made mistakes and would admit to their mistakes. These were emotional outbursts. However, MGA didn’t have emotional outbursts, MGA was in his senses and made these silly claims. At 42:50, Irfan Burq quoted the Ahmadiyya pocketbook. Irfan Burq explained how a Nabi can never have emotional outbursts as such. Irfan Burq explained how all of these sufi’s who had these emotional outbursts, they never said that those who don’t accept them are Kafir, hell bound and bastards! However, MGA did.
–At 44:53, a Muslim imam speaks and clarifies some things. He explains how the Qadiani’s aren’t quoting from the “mussulamat” (Quran and hadith) of Muslims. These are not “hujjat” on Muslims.
–At 46:22, Irfan Burq said that his questions still haven’t been answered.
–At 46:31, the Qadiani-Ahmadi, Mashhood Ahmad starts speaking. He immediately quoted Ahmad Rida Khan. He repeats the reference from Abdul Qadir Jilani from before. At 47:11, he blurts out that 72 sects of Muslims will go to Hell, and only 1 to heaven. The Qadiani asks the Muslims to throw the writings of Abdul Qadir Jilani on the wall then! He then repeats the quotes from Abdul Qadir Jilani.
–At 49:09, the Muslim imam sitting close by (with the orange hat), says that it doesn’t matter how many references that the Qadiani gives from Muslim scholars, Irfan Burq has refuted all of those quotes with one statement, that is, Muslims only accept Quran and sunnah as “mussalamat” (mandatory) against us, not the sayings and dreams of scholars.
–At 49:44, the Qadiani-Ahmadi Mashhood Ahmad starts talking, he repeats the same quotes from Abdul Qadir Jilani. The Qadiani says he doesn’t care, if Abdul Qadir Jilani dies, the Ahmadi’s will die with them. He then repeats the argument via Bayazid Bustami. He says Chisti-Rasool-ullah, he says “Shibli Rasool ullah”. He quotes Syed Abdul Qadi Jilani again. The Qadiani-Ahmadi even alleged that some Muslim in Jehlum claimed to be the Buruz of all prophets. The Qadiani-Ahmadi even quoted Shah Wali Ullah. He quoted others too!
–at 55:30, the Qadiani-Ahmadi Mashhood Ahmad trades comments with the main moderator. He re-explains how Muslims don’t accept these books as “hujjat”.
–At 57:30, the main moderator and the Qadiani-Ahmadi Mashhood Ahmad start speaking amongst each other. 15 people start talking at the same time, it’s hard to hear.
–At 58:38, Irfan Burq starts talking again and explains how Qadiani’s quote books which are not binding upon Muslims. The Qadiani’s admitted that these quotes from scholars are not authentic. Whereas our quotations to MGA and Mirza Bashir Ahmad have been accepted as authentic. Again, anyone who claims to be Muhammad (saw) is not a Muslim. These are accusations against them, they are all wrong. Again, at the most, these were emotional outbursts by ulema, what MGA did was not the same. At 1:01:39, Irfan Burq explains how the Qadiani refutation to him makes no sense at all. Irfan Burq explained how in general, Muslims don’t accept any Kufr from ulema, if they did, they made mistakes and they are forgiven. At the end, Irfan Burq asks the Qadiani as to where and when Allah said that he would send Muhammad (saw) back into this world? What Irfan Burq quoted from Ahmadiyya books is binding on Ahmadi’s. Irfan Burq says that any Muslim who alleges that the soul of Muhammad (Saw) came into his body is a Kafir. However, Ahmadi’s won’t admit to the same. At the end, Irfan Burq tells the Qadiani’s that they should quote books on Aqida only.
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Links and Related Essay’s
Irfan Burq’s contribution vs. Qadianism – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
Ahmadi-clerics/employees have lied about the 73 sects-hadith – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
Ahmadi-clerics/employees have lied about the 73 sects-hadith
Part-1 of the debate, FULL REVIEW, is MGA greater than Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah) #Qadianismontrial
Maulvi Razi vs. Mirza Tahir Ahmad on Ashraf Ali Thanvi – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2025/07/09/maulvi-razi-vs-mirza-tahir-ahmad-on-ashraf-ali-thanvi/
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