Intro
In Part-1 of the #Londondebate (#Qadianismontrial), Qadiani-Ahmadi’s have fully turned into “Lahori-Ahmadi’s” and denying MGA’s claim of being the literal 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) via Buruz and “The LAST PROPHET” (check out my video too). Instead, the Qadiani-Ahmadi’s are claiming that MGA was only speaking in a “metaphoric-spiritual” manner, however, that is the Lahori-Ahmadi position (See the writings of Maulvi Muhammad Ali). Ahmadi’s refused cross examination in this debate, which means they lost before it even started (see the clip on Twitter). The Ahmadi Maulvi team refused to give fatwa’s, however, they kept asking us for fatwa’s, the Quran is against this! This is hypocrisy (See 61:2 of the Quran). Lastly, in this debate, the Qadiani-Ahmadi’s have taken the position of the “Lahori-Ahmadi’s” and are claiming that MGA was only a prophet in a metaphoric sense, the claim of “Muhammad and Ahmad”, the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) and the “Khatam ul Anbiya” (See Maulvi Muhammad Ali, “Prophethood in Islam”, 1915, pages 422, 435 and 15, 21 and 25).
As part of his opening statement, Bro Imtiaz mentioned how Ahmadi’s believe that looking at the face of MGA is like looking at the face of Muhammad (saw)(naozobillah)(See Al-Badr, Oct-25, 1906 and the Al-Fazl of Aug-13-1944, See also the 1974 NA proceedings page 785, pdf page 410). If you want to see Muhammad (Saw), look at MGA at Qadian (naozobillah). This was also stated by the 2nd Qadiani-Ahmadi Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad.
Bro Imtiaz also mentioned how MGA argued that he would die in the grave of Muhammad (Saw). In 1909, MGA alleged that God Almighty has entered me in Muhammad’s (saw) being, in everything, without even letting it (from me) to have a different name or a different grave (See RK-18, page 381, Nuzul Maseeh)(See pages 297-298, online English Edition). MGA also argued that from the hadith, it is clearly derived that in the end times, Prophet Muhammad (saw) will also appear in the world (See RK-18, page 384)(See page 300, online English Edition).
Bro Imtiaz explained how in 1902, MGA said that the truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet (SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand (13th century in Mirza Ghulam), i.e. these days, is MUCH STRONGER, MORE COMPLETE and STRONGER than in THOSE EARLY YEARS. Nay, it is like the fourteenth (moonlit) night (full moon)(Khutbah Ilhamiya RK 16:271)(See also Kalimatul Fasl, pg. 147). MGA also said, Islam was a crescent at the time of Muhammad (Saw), but now it is like a full moon (Khutbah Ilhamiya RK 16:275). In 1902, MGA said that the person who makes a difference between MGA and Muhammad (Saw) has neither seen me nor recognized MGA (See Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, RK, V16, P. 258 – 259). MGA also claimed to be the FINAL BRICK of the prophets (See RK-16, Pg 178, Khutba-e-Ilhamiah). MGA claimed that in the palace of prophets, one brick was left (See Rk-16, Pg 177, Khutba-e-Ilhamiah and via Bro Imtiaz). MGA also claimed that the time of the manifest victory of the era of the holy Prophet has expired, and the second victory which was to be much greater and clearer then the first one had yet to be achieved. It was ordained that its time should fall during the times of the promised Masih (See Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, pages 193-194, and via RK16, p.288)(See Al-Badr, Oct-25, 1906 and the Al-Fazl of Aug-13-1944, See also the 1974 NA proceedings page 785, pdf page 410).
Ibrahim Ikhlaf in a nutshell: “Your 2 mins = Our 8 mins… or debate over.” “Moderator issue? End the debate right now.” “Livestream issue? Comply or leave.” “Cross-examination? Absolutely not- debate is over.
In 1902, MGA was arguing that the spirituality (ruhaniyyat) of Muhammad (saw) radiated in a complete manner (pooree)(See RK, v. 16, pp. 266 (Khutbah ilhamia). Our Muslim brother @Seeker2.0 on TikTok explains how when Razi read he left out the word “pooree” (fully or complete manner)(See on Tiktok herein too).
Some additional highlights are as follows, Maulvi Razi says that Ahmadi’s don’t believe in the concept of 2 “Muhammad and Ahmad’s (saw)’s” (See 2:27:25)(See the clip on TikTok and Twitter). At 2:28:38 (May-2026), Maulvi Razi says that Ahmadi’s don’t believe in the concept of 2 Muhammad’s (Saw), there is only 1 Muhammad (Saw) in Ahmadiyya, however, MGA got the name of “Muhammad” in a “zilli” and “buruzi” manner since MGA achieved “Fana fil Rasul” (See the clip on TikTok and Twitter). Maulvi Razi says that MGA was above all the auliya who had previously claimed to be the same. In this video (55:04), Maulvi Razi coping. Maulvi Razi says he was not the questioner, that’s why he didn’t present any verse of the Quran that supports the idea that there will be 2 Muhammad (saw)’s and 2 arrivals of Muhammad (saw)(See the clip on TikTok and Twitter)(Adnan Rashid reposted it too). In hindsight, Maulvi Razi says he should have presented 62:3, 61:6 and 48:28 as evidence of MGA being the 2nd coming of Muhammad (saw)(naozobillah).
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https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=MdiX2wnVmJSJkxSg
–At 1:35:00, Bro Imtiaz gives his initial claim. Bro Imtiaz explained that Qadiani-Ahmadi’s believe in 2 comings of Muhammad (Saw), with MGA being the 2nd and last. Everything regarding Muhammad (Saw), Qadiani’s also believe in MGA. Bro Imtiaz made 6 points:
1–in Ahmadiyya theology, Muhammad (Saw) was supposed to come into this world twice. First as Muhammad (saw) and 2nd as MGA (naozobillah)(See Tohfa-e-Golarhviyyah, RK-17, p. 254)(See Maulvi Razi, Maulvi Raheel, Ibrahim Ikhlaf and Maulvi Mansoore Clarke admit that only Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah)).
2–In terms of “spiritual reality” (ruhani haqiqat), whatever is the name, function, status and stature, of Muhammad (Saw), the same is claimed about MGA (naozobillah)(Khutbah Ilhamiya RK 16:271)
3–When it comes to “spiritual reality” (ruhani haqiqat), MGA is considered “Ainay Muhammad”, Ain is the opposite of Ghair, i.e., Muhammad (Saw) and MGA are not separate at all, they are not 2, they are 1. They are not 2 separate wujood (RK-17- Page 254, Tohfah Golarhviyyah).
4–Those who believed in and saw MGA, they are the sahaba of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah)(See RK, v. 17, pp. 248-249).
5–Ahmadi’s believe that MGA’s wife is Ummul Momineen (naozobillah)(See Tohfah Golarhviyyah, p. 19, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 17, p. 117, (See Also, the 2009 online english edition of Tadhkirah)(See Tohfah Golarhviyyah, RK-17, page 199).
6–In Ahmadiyya, seeing the face of MGA, is like seeing the face of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah)(See Al-Badr, Oct-25, 1906 and the Al-Fazl of Aug-13-1944, See also the 1974 NA proceedings page 785).
7–Muslims believe that 2 blessed companions (Abu Bakr ra and Umar ra) are buried in the feet of Muhammad (Saw), similarly, Ahmadi’s believe that MGA is buried in the feet of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah) (See RK-18, page 381, Nuzul Maseeh)(See pages 297-298, online English Edition)(See RK-18, page 384)(See page 300, online English Edition).
8–Ahmadi’s believe that MGA is Muhammad (Saw), however, they are 2, however, in reality, they are one (See Maulvi Razi, Maulvi Raheel, Ibrahim Ikhlaf and Maulvi Mansoore Clarke admit that only Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah))(See Tohfa-e-Golarhviyyah, Ruhani Khazain, Vol. 17, p. 254). MGA is the only called a prophet by Allah too.
9–Bro Imtiaz explains how Ahmadi’s believe that MGA is better than Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). This 2nd coming is claimed to be better. Ahmadi’s allege that when Muhammad (Saw) came the first time, it is like the moon of the first night (hilal), however, in the 2nd coming, it is a full moon (badr). Ahmadi’s believe that the ruhaniyyat of Muhammad (Saw), in the form of MGA is aqwa, ashad and akmal. It is more complete, more intense and more stronger.
10–The Ahmadiyya Movement has claimed that there are 2 things that MGA is better than Muhammad (saw) in (naozobillah). MGA has a fadeela (superiority). This is referring to MGA’s mental faculties. Ahmadi’s allege that the complete mental faculty of Muhammad (Saw) was also given to MGA (naozobillah). Ahmadi’s believe that Muhammad (Saw) didn’t have the proper means to convey Islam to the entire world, however, MGA does (naozobillah). However, this was the job of Muhammad (Saw)(See 61:9 of the Quran). MGA claimed to have the upper hand (fazeela) in this matter (Khutbah Ilhamiya RK 16:271)(See Al-Badr, Oct-25, 1906 and the Al-Fazl of Aug-13-1944, See also the 1974 NA proceedings page 785).
10–It is the Ahmadiyya belief that NO ONE ever explained the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) the way that MGA did. This proves that it was never in the Quran and sunnah! MGA was the first person to ever introduce this belief.
11–Ahmadi’s allege that Muhammad (Saw) had 2 jobs on Earth, completion of the guidance, which Ahmadi’s agree that Muhammad (Saw) did, however, the 2nd job was left incomplete, this is MGA’s job as the 2nd coming (See Tohfa-e-Golarhviyyah, Ruhani Khazain, Vol. 17, p. 256)(RK-17, page 260)(Summary by Maulvi Farhan Iqbal, see 8:35 time stamp)(See RK-17, page 263).
12–MGA said the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) has to come in India. Bro Imtiaz wants to see this from the Quran, Sunnah or hadith. Bro Imtiaz wants to see from the Quran wherein it is written that Muhammad (Saw)’s mission was incomplete (See RK, v. 17, p. 263 and Bro Imtiaz
2:09:51 time stamp).
13–the 2nd coming of Muhammad (saw) has to happen in the 7th millennium.
Bro Imtiaz demanded that Razi state his position first.
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Maulvi Razi’s opening statement
—1:47:10, Maulvi Razi starts, Maulvi Razi argues that just like the Quran, MGA was metaphoric. Everything was a misquote? Maulvi Razi complained that MGA was only Zill and Buruz, not actual? Maulvi Razi claimed that the hadith about the messiah appearing in India was also “buruzi” (metaphoric)? Maulvi Razi says that MGA was given the title of “Muhammad and Ahmad”. Maulvi Razi’s says that the “Ruhaniat” of Muhammad (Saw) does “Tajaleetee” on his “umatees”, and then they attain spirituality from them. Maulvi Razi argues that MGA used “metaphoric-language”, like MGA being like the son of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi mentions some hadith, Ismuhu Ismee. Maulvi Razi says that MGA is not claiming to be like Muhammad (saw) at all, but instead claiming to be the son of Muhammad (Saw) and getting everything from Muhammad (saw), like a student, MGA is drinking from the water well (Chashma)of Muhammad (saw). MGA was given fana fir Rasul. Maulvi Razi says that Bro Imtiaz didn’t mention any of this. MGA argued that 100’s of people in the ummah got this.
Maulvi Razi then quotes Mujadid Ali Thani (Shah Wali Ullah). Maulvi Razi says that MGA doesn’t equal Muhammad (Saw) in jism (body), only spiritually. They sleep in the same bed. However, Shah Wali Ullah was talking about ranks of the Sufi’s, not the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) being connected to the 2nd coming of Eisa (as) and the Mahdi. They both drink from the same fountain of water and it is hard to tell the difference between the two. Maulvi Razi says it’s like sugar and milk. Maulvi Razi then quotes Ahmadi Sirhindi and alleges that Sirhindi wrote that when someone becomes a previous saint in the past (via their ruh), it seems as if it is the 2nd of that person. Maulvi Razi then quotes “Tahdhir ul Nas” (ilhami qitab) and alleges that Qasim Nanotvi argued that every single prophet is the zill and aqs of Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi inferred that this means that there were 124k Muhammad’s (saw). Maulvi Razi then quoted Khwaja Ghulam Farid and alleged that Farid wrote that ALL prophets and the Imam Mahdi had the ruh of Muhammadiya. Maulvi Razi then quotes Fuyooz-ul-Haramain (or Fuyuzul Harmain) is a renowned spiritual book authored by the 18th-century Islamic scholar Shah Waliullah Dehlavi. Maulvi Razi argues that the Buruz of the nabi also gets the Nabi’s name and you can’t tell the difference between the two.
Maulvi Razi then claimed that Allama Khalid Mahmood Sahib argued that MGA claimed that “ruhaniyyat” of Muhammad (Saw) had entered himself. Maulvi Razi also quoted Allama Iqbal and alleged that he said the same. Maulvi Razi then alleges that Dr. Muhammad Zubair argued that MGA claimed to be a zilli-nabi and MGA doesn’t call himself as physically Muhammad (Saw). MaulvI Razi quotes Ibn Arabi too. Maulvi Razi alleges to have found 20 Muhammad’s (saw)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi quotes Bihar al Anwar and alleges that Shia’s believe that people can become Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi alleges that Bayazid Bustami said that ALL of us are Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Bustami even said that he is Muhammad (saw)(naozobillah). Many others were quoted. Maulvi Razi even alleged that Sohail Bawa said that there will be 2 Muhammad’s (Saw). Maulvi Razi also quoted Abdul Qadir Jilani who allegedly said that my wujood is that of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi alleges to have counted 10 Muhammad’s (saw) in the books of Sufia. Ahmad Rida Khan and the dream of the follower of Ashraf Ali Thanvi was also quoted. Ahmad Rida Khan called it Kufr. Maulvi Razi alleges that in Bihar al-Anwar it is written that when the Mahdi comes, he will say look at me to see Muhammad (saw). Maulvi Razi quotes 61:9 and alleges that other sufia had also claimed this verse in a metaphoric way. Maulvi Razi says that it is a lie that Ahmadi’s believe that MGA is greater than Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi says that he doesn’t respect the Al-Fazl magazine, since they go against the clear writings of MGA. Maulvi Razi says when the Messiah returns, will he have new sahaba? Maulvi Razi alleged that when Anwar Shah Kashmiri died, people said looking at him was like looking at Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi said that MGA making Islam a full moon doesn’t mean greater than Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi argued that the “ruhaniyyat” of Muhammad (Saw) keeps going up, all the way to Qiyamah. In terms of Aqwa, ashad and akmal, this was only via the ruhaniyyat of Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi alleges that during the time of the Messiah, it kept going up because MGA’s prophecies were being revealed (See the clip on Tiktok and Twitter).
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Round-2 for Adnan and Imtiaz
At 2:00:21, Adnan starts and points out how the Qadiani’s forgot about the Quran and sunnah. He points out how Ahmadi’s didn’t answer the question, is MGA greater than Muhammad (Saw). Bro Imtiaz points out how Ahmadi’s are refusing to take a position, is MGA then 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) or not? Bro Imtiaz asked is looking at MGA just like looking at Muhammad (Saw)? Bro Imtiaz re-iterated points from the first round. Bro Imtiaz asked, who is the Rasul mentioned in 61:9 of the Quran? At the end, Bro Imtiaz asked, if someone says that Muhammad (Saw) didn’t finish his mission, this is why the 2nd coming was needed, what is the fatwa on that person?
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Round-2 for Razi
At 2:06:04, Maulvi Razi begins. Ironically, Maulvi Razi quoted from edition of Al-Fazl and said that the 2nd Khalifa called the belief that MGA is greater than Muhammad (Saw) as Kufr (1944). However, ironically, Maulvi Razi had denied references from Al-Fazl saying that they go against MGA. Maulvi Razi accused Bro Imtiaz lying about MGA saying the messiah was supposed to come in India. Maulvi Razi alleges that Muhammad (Saw) fulfilled all of his missions and gave 2 quotes from before 1900, however, Maulvi Razi mentioned 1902 but didn’t give a reference. Maulvi Razi accused Pir Mehr Ali Shah of saying that his body (jism)is the same as Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi says that Shia’s believe that every single Imam is Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi accused Deobandi’s of calling themselves like the sahaba. At 2:08:08, Maulvi Razi alleged that Muhammad (Saw) had sifat (power) that reflected from Allah (buruzi) and this is the context of 8:17 of the Quran (8:18 in the Kadiani Koran). Maulvi Razi admits that MGA is part of 61:9. Maulvi Razi quotes Sirhindi and says that he was also shareek with Muhammad (saw) in some qualities. Maulvi Razi claims to have presented 15 Muhammad (saw)’s(naozobilah). Maulvi Razi claimed that all of the Islamic auliya have claimed that they were given the name of “Muhammad” as a title.
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Round-3 for Adnan and Imtiaz
https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=flgKI0Yr5annU9cb
–At 2:11:36, Adnan Rashid starts, he explains how Ahmadi’s are trying to digress and are quoting Muslim scholars via red herring. Ahmadi’s won’t give the fatwa! But they ask others to do it! Adnan explains how Razi is deliberately misquoting people. Bro Imtiaz points out how the Qadiani’s are refusing to give their position. Bro Imtiaz explains how Ahmadi’s are always on about quoting the Quran and sunnah, however, in this entire debate, they quoted nothing! Ahmadi’s can’t give the fatwa because MGA would be included. Bro Imtiaz said again that MGA claimed that the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) must happen in India. Is it in the Quran or hadith? Is MGA a Ghulam and student of Muhammad (Saw), or is he actually Muhammad (Saw) Rasul ullah? It can’t be both! Just like Christianity and the trinity. Maulvi Razi alleges that MGA never said that the Quran said that the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw) will come in India, MGA said that the “ruhaniya” (soul) of Muhammad (saw) said so, not Quran and hadith.
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Round-3 for Maulvi Razi
https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=flgKI0Yr5annU9cb
Maulvi Razi argues that Muhammad (Saw) has the highest rank in Ahmadiyya. Maulvi Razi quotes a poem of MGA wherein MGA says, “his name is Muhammad”. Maulvi Razi quotes a stupid point, he quotes the Shias and says that Muslims have accepted them as Muslim. Again, Maulvi Razi accuses Anwar Shah Kashmiri of claiming to be metaphorically like Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi wants a fatwa of Kufr. Maulvi Razi says the religious battlefield was in India, this is why the 2nd coming of Muhammad (saw) had to appear in India. Maulvi Razi alleges that MGA is simply a student of Muhammad (Saw) and Muhammad (saw) is his teacher. Maulvi Razi says that MGA is fana fil Rasul. Maulvi Razi repeats many points. Maulvi Razi stood up and quoted Rahmatullah Kairanwi and alleged that via 61:9, the Mahdi will spread Islam to the corners of the world.
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Round-4 for Adnan and Imtiaz
https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=flgKI0Yr5annU9cb
–At 2:22:04. Adnan Rashid starts, he explains how he is here for the common Qadiani’s. Adnan Rashid points out how the Qadiani Moorrabi’s to take a position, they refuse to take any position. Adnan Rashid explains how Maulvi Razi is misquoting and misrepresenting and refusing to give a fatwa against anyone. Adnan Rashid quoted Kalimatul Fasl and explains how it is filled with Kufr. Bro Imtiaz also mentioned how Ahmadi’s refuse to give a fatwa. Is MGA the 2nd coming of Muhammad (saw) or not? Bro Imtiaz gives MGA’s beliefs on Buruz, how MGA believes that when someone dies, their soul can come back into this world. At 2:26:22, Adnan Rashid explained how MGA said that none of the saints of the past are a hujjah (binding) on anyone.
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Round-4 for Maulvi Razi
https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=flgKI0Yr5annU9cb
–At 2:27:30, Maulvi Razi starts. Again, Maulvi Razi quoted the saints in Islam, after he was told that they are not a hujjah (binding). Maulvi Razi quotes the death of Anwar Shah Kashmiri again. Maulvi Razi quotes Pir Mehr Ali Shah again and alleges that he claimed to be Muhammad (Saw) in a metaphoric way, step by step and via jism (body). Maulvi Razi quotes the reference from “Jihad and the British Government” wherein MGA denied that the soul of Muhammad (Saw) actually entered him. However, in the same book, MGA said the opposite. Maulvi razi admits that the saints of the past are not hujjah on Ahmadi’s, however, they are a hujjah on Muslims, that’s why Razi keeps quoting them. Who is Qaree Tayyib? Maulvi Razi alleges that Qaree Tayyib argued that when Eisa (As) is fighting Dajjal, he will be like Muhammad (saw). Maulvi Razi says that he counted 20 Muhammad (saw)’s (naozobillah).
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Final Round
Adnan And Imtiaz
https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=3_A5ivon4bGL1Fx8
–At 2:33:18, Adnan explains how Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said that looking at MGA is like looking at Muhammad (Saw). Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the same in Kalimatul Fasl. Bro Imtiaz explains how this book is official. Will Maulvi Razi give the fatwa?
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Final Round
Maulvi Razi
https://www.youtube.com/live/rN2_nBkBBi8?si=3_A5ivon4bGL1Fx8
At 2:38:26, Maulvi Razi starts, he quoted 61:9. Maulvi Razi says that MGA is only Muhammad (Saw) via zill and buruz, which means that MGA is only a spiritual follower of Muhammad (saw) and gains everything from Muhammad (Saw). Maulvi Razi says that why would he give a fatwa? Every sufi and auliya claimed this. Maulvi Razi repeats many points. Maulvi Razi alleges that Ashraf Ali Thanvi also wrote the same like MGA in terms of seeing MGA is like seeing Muhammad (Saw)(Naozobillah). Maulvi Razi repeated himself! Maulvi Razi claims that “Tadhir ul Nas” is hujjah on Muslims since it is called “ilhami-kitab”.
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1915-1916
Kalimatul Fasl, pg 147
–Mirza Bashir Ahmad says that since MGA is not separate from Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah), in fact, MGA is exactly Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah), thus, if the denier of MGA is not a Kafir, then the denier of Muhammad (Saw) is consequently not a Kafir. How is it that in the first coming someone can deny Muhammad (SAW) and become Kafir, but in the second coming (referring to MGA), they don’t? Especially, if MGA’s coming is “Aqwa (stronger), Akmal (complete) and Ashad” (more powerful). How is it thus possible that this isn’t Kufr?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________Unrelated Notes, this is from the other parts of the debate
–In the recent debate (#qadianismontrial)(1:56:20 and 1:56:50), as part of his opening statement and in an attempt to reject all the references wherein MGA was called the Final prophet, last Adam, last Mahdi, final messiah, takfir was done vs. Muslims, Maulvi Razi denied the Al-Fazl newspaper (See the clip on TikTok and Twitter). However, it should be noted that Mirza Nasir Ahmad did the same in 1974 at the National Assembly, MGA also denied that Al-Hakam was an official newspaper in 1899. In 1954, the 2nd Qadiani-Ahmadi Khalifa also denied the Al-Fazl. Thus, this is normal Qadiani behavior.
–In 2026 (Apr), Maulvi Razi claims that Muhammad (Saw) disobeyed Allah when he prayed for Abdallah Ibn Ubayy (a munafiq)(naozobillah)(See the clip on TikTok and Twitter). However, this is not the case. In Quran 9:80-9:84, Allah offers him a choice and the prophet avails it. The prophet (saw) prays the hypocrite’s janaza, and AFTER that the prohibition verse was revealed. After the revelation (9:84) he never prayed for a hypocrite again (See Tafsir ibn Kathir, page 490). They lie upon rasoolAllah (saw) to dig Mirza out of the hole. Muhammad (saw) never disobeyed Allah. See the Qadiani-Ahmadi commentary on 9:84.
In 2026 (May), @UmarElhashmi watched the “great debate” (#qadianismontrial) and observed/adjudged that Ibrahim Ikhlaf has NO knowledge of the Arabic language (See the clip on TikTok and Twitter). Ibrahim Ikhlaf seems to have mixed up the words Istigraaqiyya, istishraq and ishtishraqiyya, this is something that an average person can never do, so how is he a scholar? @UmarElhashmi also pointed out that Ibrahim Ikhlaf was reading off of his laptop screen.
@UmarElhashmi watched the recent debate with the Qadiani’s and has given his comments herein. Umar El Hashmi pointed out mistakes in reading the Quran by Ibrahim Ikhlaf, he mis-pronounced 49:14 of the Quran, specifically, the verse says, “Yud Khu Lil”, however, Ikhlaf mispronounces it as “Yud Khee Lul” (See the clip on TikTok and Twitter and on the Twitter account of @UmarElhashmi). @UmarElhashmi also pointed out how Maulvi Raheel called the famous Musaylima and “Musaylima bin Khattab”, which is totally incorrect.
@UmarElhashmi also pointed out how Maulvi Raheel said “ba ta loo” instead of “ba ta la” (See the clip on Twitter). Maulvi Raheel wasn’t reading from the Quran or hadith, however, he seems to be reading a Legal Maxim in Fiqh. In summary: Every verb in Arabic, on a beginner level, has 3 root letters and must follow the verb form: 1. Fa ‘a la 2. Fa ‘u la 3. Fa ‘i la There is no such thing as: Fa ‘a loo So apply now the letters: baa taa and laam to the scale and you get: Ba ta la You can NEVER get: Ba Ta Loo And that is so long as it’s a verb, which is the case in that principle he tried to sound smart when quoting: إذا جاء الاحتمال، بَطَلَ الاستدلال Izaa jaa-al-ihtimaal, ba ta la-l-istidlaal. It can NEVER be ‘ba ta loo’ Ever. So when he says ba ta loo… it’s a huge facepalm moment, just like their “al-qawl al-sahaabi” which I called out in my YouTube video under the video sections “exposing their ignorance of Arabic” — as well as their saying “alif-laam istishraaqiyyah” and only realizing that’s wrong by reading it on screen— exposed that and called it out.
In the recent debate and in defense of MGA changing his position (tabdili-aqidah) on the alleged death of Eisa (as), Maulvi Razi alleged that Muhammad (Saw) denied the punishment of the grave (See 23:100, 23:101 in the Kadiani Koran)(azab-e-kabir)(also called barzakh), then changed later (See the clip on twitter). This is not true. There is no evidence of him denying it at any point. In fact, the opposite is true! He (saw) affirmed it from the very first time the matter was raised.
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Questions for Farhan Qureshi
1. How many times do Ahmadi’s believe that Muhammad (saw) has came into this world? Once, twice or 30 times? Have you seen the refs wherein MGA said only 2 comings? 61:9? Did the sufia mix the Mahdi with prophethood? Did they see the Mahdi as separate than the Messiah? Razi admitted that MGA is shareek in this.
2. What is the Lahori-Ahmadi belief on MGA’s prophethood? Metaphorical?
3. Did any Sufi’s argue that the Messiah would be the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw)?
4. Is the physical return of Eisa (as) connected to the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw)?
5. Did MGA argue that he is better, stronger than Muhammad (Saw) in his first coming?
6. Khurram said that everyone must do Corporate social responsibility. But Khurram only does this to push Ahmadiyya tabligh. Is this how charity is done? performative? Are Muslims forced to do this? What if some don’t have the temperament?
7. Why does Khurram cry about Ahmadiyya persecution? He is persecuting people too, anyone against Ahmadiyya, he throws allegations like a woman. Is Ahmadiyya persecution disproven.
8. Khurram mentioned my kids many times, he is lucky to be alive. Why does he cry when the same is done to him? Did Khurram comment on MGA’s being the 2nd coming of Muhammad (Saw). Did Khurram know about this 10 years ago? Can someone go from believing that Eisa (as) died to alive? Ibrahim Ikhlaf doesn’t know Urdu.
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Maulvi Razi purposely misread “Khutbah ilhamia”
https://x.com/sakhinyc123/status/2052580023178027339/video/1?s=46
In 1902, MGA was arguing that the spirituality (ruhaniyyat) of Muhammad (saw) radiated in a complete manner (pooree)(See RK, v. 16, pp. 266 (Khutbah ilhamia). Our Muslim brother @Seeker2.0 on TikTok explains how when Razi read he left out the word “pooree” (fully or complete manner)(See on Tiktok herein too).
“”This secret [or mystery] should, in other words, be understood as [follows]: Man at one [point in] time was mineral and at the next time, plants [or sugar] and after this animals and after that [he] was [the] star[s] and the moon and the sun until, on the fifth day, all that which his nature [i.e., the nature of Man] had required from the earthly and heavenly powers [or forces] was collected by the Grace of God, the Best of Creators. Hence, all creation was a perfect individual for Aadam or [it] was a mirror of his existence which was made honored and venerable. Then [He] willed that the hiddenness be made to appear completely in one person who is a manifestation of these characteristics [or essences]. Hence, Aadam’s spirituality, with a comprehensive, complete radiance, radiated forth on the day of Friday in the last hour, that is, on that day which is the sixth day. Similarly, the spirituality of our Prophet, the blessings of Allaah and peace be on him, appeared with abridged characteristics [‘ijmaalee sifaat’] in the fifth millennium and that era was not the apex of the developments of that spirituality but rather was the first step for the acme of its excellencies. Then that spirituality radiated in a complete manner at the end of the sixth millennium that is, at this time [i.e., now], just as Aadam was born at the end of the sixth day by the command of God, the Best of Creators, and the spirituality of the ‘Khayr-ur-Rusul’ [the Best of the Messengers, i.e., Muhammad], for the culmination of its appearance and for the prevalence of its radiance, adopted a manifestation, as God Almighty had promised in the Clear Book [the Quraan], so I am that manifestation.”” (RK, v. 16, pp. 266).
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Links and Related Essay’s
Who is Maulvi Muhammad Ali in the history of Ahmadiyya? – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
Is Muhammad (saw) the FINAL prophet or is MGA the FINAL prophet per Qadiani-Ahmadi’s?
@UmarElhashmi explains how Ibrahim Ikhlaf has NO knowledge of the Arabic language
https://x.com/Ahmadiyyafacts/status/2051441154106015997
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8pRaxqW/
https://x.com/ef_shef/status/2050678837797666855?s=46&t=HTqZKquoOvKbgoBAF2aQcg
Maulvi Razi says that Ahmadi’s don’t believe in the concept of 2 “Muhammad and Ahmad’s (saw)’s”
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8pQkcaR/
https://x.com/Ahmadiyyafacts/status/2056854086298042490
In 1931, K2 argues that Fana Fir Rasul and Maseel e Masih is different from Buruz
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8pQ7nk5/
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8pQHqDM/
https://x.com/Ahmadiyyafacts/status/2056805291103228230
https://x.com/MrAdnanRashid/status/2056827771934904365
In 1884, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that the Quran 48:29 was also revealed to him
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