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Waris Din’s legal statements in the case of Dr. Clarke vs. MGA

Intro
In August of 1897, the case of Dr. Clarke and the British government vs. MGA.  Lekh Ram had died just a few months earlier, and it seemed like some fanatical Ahmadi’s had planned the murder.  Nevertheless, a few months later, Abdul Hameed showed up at Dr. Clarke’s location in Amritsar in the guise of wanting to convert to Christianity.  Soon after showing up, he confessed that MGA had sent him to murder Dr. Clarke.  However, after the case started, and trial began, Abdul Hameed seemed to have totally recanted the story and blamed the Christians at Amritsar and Beas for scaring him into such a testimony, i.e. that MGA sent him to commit murder.  In the below, we have extracted Dr. Clarke’s response to Abdul Hameed, via Ahmadi sources.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 195-197.  After Abdul Hameed recanted, Waris Din gave his testimony.

20th August 1897. Statement of Waris Din witness on oath
Son of Ihsan Ali, caste Christian, resident of Jandiala, age 39 years. Stated:

When Muhammad Bakhsh, officer incharge police station, went to Anarkali to fetch Abdul Hameed, and the constable Bahadur Singh was about to sit in the carriage, the officer incharge said: “The driver is a sweeper. Do not sit besides him”. Then I went in the evening, and
the officer incharge police station said: “The boy cannot be handed over now”. When Abdul Hameed wrote the confession at Beas, Doctor sahib was sitting in front of the table like the Magistrate is sitting in the court just now, and Abdul Hameed was sitting in front. On his right were sitting Abdur Rahim, Prem Das and Dyal Chand, and on the left was the deponent. On the right side they were first Prem Das, second Dyal Chand and third Abdur Rahim. I had heard that the boy had told the lawyer that he had met a man at Amritsar when he had gone there first. At Anarkali, Batala, Nihal Chand had told me that anther person also was party at Amritsar to the consultation about murder. Then I enquired from Abdul Hameed and he told me the name
of Qutb-ud-Din and gave the address of the shop. Perhaps the date was the 12th of this month, it was evening time. He had not described the appearance to anyone.

(On a question from the lawyer of the defendant) Formerly I was a Muslim. I became a Christian in 1874. I am only casually acquainted with Doctor sahib, there is no connection. I inspect the schools on behalf of the Mission. The boy had first written the document and then again copied it. Dyal Chand had brought pen, inkpot and paper. The document written by Abdul Hameed had not been read out. It had been written in my presence, and also copied. There had been a mistake the first time, so it was copied again. The words “harm” and “kill” were written by Abdul Hameed himself. The confession does not bear my signature. Abdul Hameed was copying when the postmaster and others came. It was about to finish. All of us were sitting on the
mat in the dining room. Only Doctor sahib was not on the mat. He was in the chair. Doctor sahib was sitting by a side of the table and we people were seated in front of him. Doctor sahib said to Abdul Hameed: “Give in writing whatever you are saying”. And he had written without any hesitation. I had come to Batala during the case.  When Doctor sahib went away, I had stayed behind. I came here at night. I have borne the travelling expenses myself. While coming to
Amritsar from Beas the boy was kept at Rai Vind (It is Sultan Vind in the English version) and I had remained there with him. First we had gone to Doctor sahib’s residence and then to Sultan Vind. I accompanied him to the residence and when the statement was made before the Deputy Commissioner then also I had gone along with him.

Waris Din.
Read out. Accepted correct.
Signature of the Judge.

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Statement of Mr. Lemarchand, District Superintendent Police in the Dr. Clarke vs. MGA case

Intro
In August of 1897, the case of Dr. Clarke and the British government vs. MGA.  Lekh Ram had died just a few months earlier, and it seemed like some fanatical Ahmadi’s had planned the murder.  Nevertheless, a few months later, Abdul Hameed showed up at Dr. Clarke’s location in Amritsar in the guise of wanting to convert to Christianity.  Soon after showing up, he confessed that MGA had sent him to murder Dr. Clarke.  However, after the case started, and trial began, Abdul Hameed seemed to have totally recanted the story and blamed the Christians at Amritsar and Beas for scaring him into such a testimony, i.e. that MGA sent him to commit murder.  In the below, we have extracted Mr. Le Marchand’s interview with Abdul Hameed, via Ahmadi sources.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 194-195.  Mr. Lemarchand gave the testimony, which enabled MGA to be exonerated in this serious case.  MGA mentions this also in Lecture Ludhiana, see page 30.

Statement of Mr. Lemarchand, District Superintendent Police, on solemn affirmation, 20th August 1897

On the 13th the District Magistrate told me that he was not completely satisfied with the statement of Abdul Hameed and it was necessary to enquire further. Before Dr. Clarke left, I enquired from him as to how I could call Abdul Hameed. He gave me the address of Munshi Nihal Chand that I should write to him to call the man. On the 14th Muhammad Bakhsh, Deputy Inspector, Batala, returned to Batala from Masanian and I sent him to Nihal Chand with a letter. When he brought Abdul Hameed, I was very busy. I ordered Muhammad Bakhsh, Deputy Inspector, to keep that boy in his supervision outside, under the tree. I also ordered Inspector Jalal-ud-Din to guard him. I know that both these officers are certainly not followers of Mirza
sahib of Qadian. When I finished my work I called Abdul Hameed. I could see where they were sitting under the tree. After about two hours I called only Abdul Hameed. Both officers brought him. Before bringing Abdul Hameed the Inspector said to me: “If you are not free, Abdul Hameed may be sent back to Anarkali, because he wants to go, and does not disclose the truth of the case”. Then I said: “Bring him before me”. When he came, he told the same story as he had deposed earlier about Mirza sahib sending him to Amritsar for the murder of Dr. Clarke. I wrote two pages and said to him: “I want to know only the truth. Why are you wasting time for nothing?” As this was said, Abdul Hameed fell on my feet and burst into tears. He seemed to be
very repentant and said: “I shall now state truly what really happened”.  Then in my presence he made the statement which I wrote word for word as he spoke, and which is before the court. Then I sent a telegram to the Deputy Commissioner and brought the witness to Gurdaspur. Ever since the statement was written, he lives in my compound, and comes and goes as he likes. This morning Abdul Hameed said to me: “A man — (Abdul Ghani, on being reminded the witness said about the name that this was the name) — has told me that I should again give the same testimony as the first testimony, else I would be arrested”. My servants had seen that man. When Abdul Hameed came to tell me, it was found that Abdul Ghani had left the compound. Dr. Grey had enquired from me. He has written me a letter which is submitted here, exhibit ‘Y’.  Signature in English. Read out. Is correct. Accepted.
Signature of the Judge.

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Dr. Clarke responds to Abdul Hameed, after Abdul Hameed recants

Intro
In August of 1897, the case of Dr. Clarke and the British government vs. MGA.  Lekh Ram had died just a few months earlier, and it seemed like some fanatical Ahmadi’s had planned the murder.  Nevertheless, a few months later, Abdul Hameed showed up at Dr. Clarke’s location in Amritsar in the guise of wanting to convert to Christianity.  Soon after showing up, he confessed that MGA had sent him to murder Dr. Clarke.  However, after the case started, and trial began, Abdul Hameed seemed to have totally recanted the story and blamed the Christians at Amritsar and Beas for scaring him into such a testimony, i.e. that MGA sent him to commit murder.  In the below, we have extracted Dr. Clarke’s response to Abdul Hameed, via Ahmadi sources.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 183-194.

Translation of the statement of Doctor Martyn Clarke on solemn affirmation, 20th August 1897
I know nothing about this second statement of Abdul Hameed. Abdur Rahim could go to Beas and return to Amritsar between 3 and 6 o’clock. When we all went to Beas, no one had an opportunity to talk privately to Abdul Hameed. At the time of Abdul Hameed’s confession Abdur Rahim was present at a little distance and could not have whispered in the ear. He confessed before me. Abdur Rahim did not speak at the time of the confession. In the confession the word
“harm” was first written by Abdul Hameed, and then the word “kill” he had written of his own accord. I had kept the boy on the request of Mr. Allsop, District Superintendent Police, and on his own request. I heard later about Mr. Grey and his going to him [to Mr. Grey]. (On a question from the lawyer of the defendant) I am a doctor missionary. I did not pay the travelling expenses and the fee of my lawyer. I do not remember whether I appointed Ram Bhaj Dutt as lawyer or he came of himself. We people take action together about someone who is enemy of all. (On a question from the court) Abdur Rahim remained in the service of the mission for 32 years. When the boy came, Abdur Rahim was in a very frightened state and confessed that he had come to kill him. On the day of the departure of the boy I rebuked Abdur Rahim on his apparent intentions. I had guessed that the indication was not incorrect. The boy’s face kept on changing colour. No question was asked on 20-8-97.
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When Abdul Hameed recanted his story vs. MGA in the case brought by Dr. Clarke

Intro
In the summer of 1897, the case of Dr. Clarke and British-India vs. MGA was in full swing.  However, by August 20th, 1897, Abdul Hameed recanted his entire story, i.e. that MGA had sent him to murder Dr. Clarke.  He claimed that he was scared into stating that MGA sent him to commit a murder.  His testimony is in the below via ahmadiyya sources only.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, page 185-193.

Note: The following statement has been translated from English writing, on the basis of the statement made by Abdul Hameed before the District Superintendent of Police. Abdul
Hameed was again called to testify as a prosecution witness. His statement was recorded.

Statement of witness Abdul Hameed on solemn affirmation, 20th August 1897 on question from Court:

I had made a statement at Batala before the Police Captain. The officer incharge of a police station took me to the Captain. I do not know the name. At that time I was at Anarkali (Batala). We were three persons in the carriage: myself, the officer incharge of the police station and
the driver. At that time I was in the custody of Waris Din the Christian, Bhagat Prem Das and two police constables. The officer incharge police station had taken me straight to the Captain. First of all I had gone to Nur-ud-Din the Christian at Hall gate, Amritsar. After coming from Qadian the deponent had stayed for two days at Ghulam Mustafa printing press. I had stayed there in connection with service at the printing press. But no work was available there. Then I went to Nur-ud-Din at Amritsar. Nur-ud-Din had given me a letter addressed to the Rev. Grey. I had gone to Nur-ud-Din as a seeker of Christianity. I had certainly not gone to Qutb-ud-Din. My earlier statement that I had gone to him was not true. The deponent is not even acquainted with him. I had submitted to the Rev. Grey to make me a Christian.  He sent me back to Nur-ud-Din and said: “Bear your own expenses, then we shall teach you Christianity”. I accepted this condition and went back to Nur-ud-Din. He said to me: “Go to Dr. Clarke. He will give you food, and also teach you Christianity”. I went to Doctor sahib and told him that I had become a Muslim from a Hindu. I had said this to Nur-ud-Din also. Also I said that I had come from Qadian. Doctor sahib said: “All right. I shall find out”. I said: “Find out after I am baptized”. Then Doctor sahib sent me to the Hospital. The Christian Abdur Rahim was there. He inquired from me. I told him also that I had come from Qadian. The second or third day he took me to Doctor sahib’s residence. I had been called by Doctor sahib. Doctor sahib said: “Maulvi Abdur Rahim says that you have come to commit murder”. I said: “No”. Doctor sahib said: “He is a child. How can he do such a thing?” Then I was sent to Beas. Abdur Rahim said this to me two or three times: “I have come to know for what purpose you have come”. I said: “I have come only to become a Christian, and not for any other purpose”. Then I went to Beas. After two days Abdur
Rahim came there. He came at 4 o’clock in the day. He met me at the hospital where I was studying. He said to me: “Tell me how you have come, for we have found out. Tell the truth or we shall hand you over to the Captain of Police”. I said: “I have come to become a Christian.
There is no other purpose”. He said: “You have come to commit murder”, but he did not say to murder whom. Then he went away. On the second or third day Doctor sahib came along with Yusuf Khan and another oldish man. Doctor sahib photographed me and went to Amritsar. At that time other servants were also photographed. Till that time Doctor sahib did not mention anything to me. Two days later came a telegram that Doctor sahib has called me to Amritsar. A snake was killed, Bhagat Prem Das had killed it. He said to me: “Take this dead snake with you. Show it to sahib”. From the station Muhammad Yusuf took me to the residence and I was photographed there. It came out to be defective. Then Doctor sahib sent me to the market along with Muhammad Yusuf and I was photographed there. Then I went to the market to eat. After eating, Muhammad Yusuf took me to the residence. The shop was in the same market where Yusuf was. Yusuf paid for the food. When I went to the residence, from there I was sent
to Beas. Before going to Beas, I had been sent to the hospital and from there I had been sent alone to carry papers to the station. Abdur Rahim was there. He said: “Tell the truth about what you have come for. I have found out. Otherwise you will be arrested”. After this I was photographed and went to the residence. Then Yusuf bought me the ticket and I went to Beas. After two days Doctor sahib, Abdur Rahim, Waris Din, Bhagat Prem Das and another Christian, a young man, came there. In front of all of them Waris Din and Abdur Rahim said
to me: “Now say what you have come for”. I said: “I have come to become a Christian”. They said: “You have been sent by Mirza”. I said: “No, he has not said anything to me”. Abdur Rahim was sitting besides me. He said to me: “Say that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has sent you to kill Dr. Clarke with a stone”. He showed me my photograph and said: “You will be caught wherever you go, or else say this”. I said as he had asked me to say. Then Doctor sahib and others said:
“Give us this in writing”. I wrote it out. I wrote “cause harm”, but Abdur Rahim said: “Write also the word ‘kill’ ”. He whispered it in my ear. He was sitting besides me. At the time of writing the
confession he was sitting side by side with me. I wrote the confession twice. The first time I wrote only the word “harm”. When I was writing the second time, then according to what he had said I also wrote the word “kill”. Then when I was signing they called the postmaster etc. They asked me. Out of fear, I said: “Yes, I am writing this of my own free will”. When I wrote it out, the Doctor sahib and others said: “Good, our heart’s desire has been fulfilled”. Then Doctor sahib and the others brought me to Amritsar by the 6 o’clock train and took me to the residence. Waris Din, Abdur Rahim, Bhagat Prem Das were accompanying us. The day I wrote the confession, apart from Abdur Rahim, Bhagat Prem Das and Waris Din also were saying to
me: “Say it like this. Get Mirza entangled. No harm will come to you because Doctor sahib has pardoned you”. They took me to Sultan Vind at night. I was kept at the house of Doctor Khair-ud-Din. They kept tutoring me: “You say this, that Mirza has sent you to kill the Doctor with a stone”. Out of fear I said: “This is what I will say”. At night I was very restless and sleepless because I was being asked to tell a lie. In the morning they brought me to the residence in a carriage and kept saying: “No harm will come to you. Make that statement”.  I gave the testimony in the presence of the Deputy Commissioner. I had given my name as Ralya Ram myself. There was a man with Nurud-Din, Hindu or Muslim. On his behest I had said: “He converts people to Christianity”. When I went to Doctor sahib first of all, I had not said that I had been sent by Mirza sahib. My address as Khajoori Darwaza was also given by me myself. I had done these things because previously I was with the Scotch Mission Gujrat, and had been turned out because of bad conduct. For this reason I pretended to be a Hindu, so that my earlier history not be known. I had definitely written a letter to Maulvi Nur-ud-Din from Beas saying that I liked the Christian religion. Waris Din, Bhagat Prem Das and Abdur Rahim had said to me: “You say about this letter that Mirza sahib and Maulvi Nur-ud-Din are one and the same. Hence I had written him a letter so that they are kept informed of my news”. Abdur Rahim, Prem Das and
Waris Din had taught me in Anarkali to say that I had left after abusing Mirza sahib. There had surely been an altercation between me and two of the men of Mirza sahib on account of their admonition, but I did not at all abuse Mirza sahib. I have no knowledge at all of the two persons who have been stated to have been seen at Beas. At Sultan Vind, Abdur Rahim and others had said to me: “You say that your intention to commit murder had changed on seeing Doctor sahib”. After my testimony was over I was taken and shut up in the residence at Amritsar. Abdur Rahim, Waris Din and Prem Das used to say: “Some man of Mirza sahib will kill you”. Two sweepers had been shut up in the house along with me. They also kept tutoring me.  As for Qutb-ud-Din, I had been asked by Waris Din, Abdur Rahim and Prem Das to mention his name. The lawyer (Lala Ram Bhaj) had asked me in Anarkali: “Did you have an accomplice or not? Until someone else is not involved, you are not a bird to have killed and flown away. The court will not believe”. On this Waris Din and others instructed me about the involvement of Qutb-ud-Din. I did not give to the lawyer the address of Qutb-ud-Din. Prem Das had written on my hand Karmon Deorhi and the address of Qutb-ud-Din, saying “remember this when you give testimony”. He had written it in pencil. It was Waris Din’s pencil, the same pencil which is just now in the lawyer’s hand. With the very same it had been written. (Note: Admitted that the pencil belonged to Waris Din.) There were many other pencils in the school. Waris Din and others used to describe Qutb-ud-Din’s features. But I do not know him at all. They had
mentioned to me Qutb-ud-Din’s features etc. at night. I did not mention the features etc. to the lawyer. On being instructed by Bhagat Prem Das, Waris Din and Abdur Rahim, I had said that I used to press Mirza sahib. I had never been to the house of Mirza sahib. I had seen him only once, that was in the mosque. Only on these people’s instigation I have made all the statement. Only on their instigation, I had stated that I, the deponent, had slept in the Khair-ud-Din mosque,
Amritsar. This was also taught to me at Batala. They have been making me write the first testimony falsely, by intimidation. When the officer incharge police station had gone to call, he was inside. Outside, Waris Din said to me: “Be careful, do not alter your first statement.
The Doctor sahib has promised you pardon”. There were two Sikh policemen. They had also said to me: “Be careful, do not change the testimony.” A teacher Nihal Chand had also said the same. This morning Abdul Ghani the Christian came to me and said: “Shaikh Waris Din and Yusuf say that if you give the earlier testimony they will get you pardon from Doctor sahib and you will remain safe”. I had informed the Captain about this affair. The sahib was taking a
bath. The cook, the sweeper etc., all those in the enclosure, know that they had seen him. I have never seen any room of Mirza sahib, nor am I aware of the bathroom. Only on the tutoring of these people, I had mentioned a room adjacent to the upper portion of the mosque. I had been making all the statements out of fear. Christian Nur-ud-Din had said to me: “You will not be able to get on with me. Go to Doctor sahib”. Hence I had gone to Doctor sahib. Otherwise I had no prior acquaintance with him. Abdur Rahim had told me the substance of the confession and I had written it. He had also told me the words. They had taken from me my earlier writing and torn it up. The statement that I have given now is entirely correct and true. The first statement
was given out of fear and persuasion. The statement that I have made now is of my own accord. I have not done so on anyone’s persuasion or any inducement. (On a question from the prosecution lawyer) I have not yet joined the Muslims, i.e. neither do I consider Muhammad sahib to be true nor the Quran. I am seeking Christianity. I have never gone from Lahore to Qadian with Maulvi Nur-ud-Din, nor to Amritsar. When I had first gone to Qadian I had hired a complete cart from Batala. I had seen Shaikh Rahmatullah twice at Lahore, i.e., had met him. On the first occasion he had given me 8 annas. I had seen Doctor Nabi Bakhsh at Lahore. Came from Lahore to Batala. He travelled by the first class coach and I by the third class. At Batala I had not put up with him but only stayed for the night and had gone to Qadian in the morning. I have known Maulvi Nur-ud-Din since the time of going to Qadian. No one had recommended me to Maulvi Nur-ud-Din. Miran Bakhsh of Gujrat had told me to go to Mirza sahib at Qadian and get education. The deponent went to Gujrat the second time for employment. When I went to Qadian I had two Rupees with me. I do not know whether or not Maulvi Nur-ud-Din has friendly relations with my paternal uncle Burhan-ud-Din. When I came to Qadian the first time, Burhan-ud-Din was not there. The second time he was there before my arrival. He and I did not live together. I had been on friendly terms with Burhan-ud-Din even before, and also at that time.
When this case was in progress at Batala, I do not know whether Burhan-ud-Din was there. Even now I do not know where he is, for I was in custody. I had, on my own, taken up the occupation of basket lifting and not on anybody’s bidding. I had worked in the printing press separately. I had not seen Burhan-ud-Din there at that time. I had only one set of clothes when I went to Qadian. Waris Din and others used to tell me: “Say that there were two or three sets when you had gone”. Ghulam Mustafa did not know me earlier. He had given me food for two days, thinking I was a Muslim. At Batala I had gone to his printing press after making enquiry about it. I had gone to Amritsar by the 9 o’clock morning train. On arrival I immediately got from Hall
Bazar information about Nur-ud-Din that he was a Christian preacher. I had left Batala after taking food. I had gone to Mr. Grey at 2 or 3 o’clock during the day. The same day I had gone to Doctor sahib’s place. Doctor sahib had asked me about my family on my mother’s side, etc., but I had not been able to give a satisfactory reply. The officer incharge of the police station had brought me in a carriage. He had seated me at the back, adjacent to the driver. In the evening Prem Das, Waris Din and others had come to the residence of the Captain to say that “the boy be given over to us”. On the way, the officer incharge of the police station had not talked to me at all. I had asked: “Why has the Captain called me?” He said: “I do not know”. The officer incharge of the police station took me straight to the residence. The officer enquired from me according to the order of the Captain. He was another officer. The officer took me under a tree which lies in the compound of the residence and enquired from me. The tree was about twenty five yards away. He said to me: “You are telling a lie, you do not speak the truth”. I replied: “I speak the truth. The statement I dictated is true”. Then he said to the Captain: “This boy does not speak the truth”. The Captain ordered: “Bring him before me”.  Muhammad Bakhsh was not among the interrogators. Only one man asked, he is the other officer incharge of the police station. I do not know the name. The officer who brought me in the carriage was not interrogating. Muhammad Bakhsh did not ask me anything. Muhammad Bakhsh, the other officer and another constable or clerk were there. The clerk was a Hindu. That clerk was talking about the judgment in a case, so thus I came to know that he was a clerk. Muhammad Bakhsh did not say to me: “You have committed a sin in deposing against Mirza sahib”. No man of Mirza sahib met me. There was talk under the tree for just four or five minutes. There was a bed
at a distance of about three or four steps. I was lying on it again. An hour or two later, the servant got up and the deponent was presented before the Captain. No one came to me, nor had anyone talked to the officer in charge of the police station. When the Captain enquired from
me the first time, I related the same story as I had deposed earlier. He said: “You are telling a lie. Now you will not be sent to Anarkali. We shall take you to Gurdaspur”. I said again: “I have spoken the truth”. He said: “No, you are telling a lie. When your doubts had been removed then why did you go to the Christians?”. I said: “I went to Gujrat for employment”. He said: “It appears to be false that Mirza sahib sent you. Speak the truth”. Then out of fear of God I told the whole story truly, as has been deposed. The Inspector and Muhammad Bakhsh the officer incharge police station and another clerk were present at that time when the Captain recorded my statement. The Captain was asking questions and I was dictating my statement continuously. The same day I was brought to Gurdaspur, when the confession was written. Doctor sahib was sitting at a distance of four or five steps. Abdur Rahim used to say: “Doctor sahib will save you”.
I was also threatened: “We have your photograph. You will be caught wherever you go”. The word “kill” was whispered in my ear by Abdur Rahim, asking me to write it. The night Lala Ram Bhaj had questioned me, the day after that I had appeared as a witness again, and before
appearing in the court Abdur Rahim and others had tutored me about Qutb-ud-Din etc. The first time when the lawyer came at 12 o’clock he said to me: “You are not a bird that you had flown to Amritsar.  There must have been someone else with you”. Then Abdur Rahim and others told me about inclusion of Qutb-ud-Din. Note: The prosecution lawyer admitted: “We had asked the witness in the evening also about the inclusion of the other man”. In the evening the lawyer asked again, and I had given the name of Qutb-ud-Din as taught by Abdur Rahim and others. The lawyer had told me that the court would not accept that I, all alone, killed and went away or would have gone away, the involvement of some other man was essential.  Then after 12 o’clock, I stated the name of Qutb-ud-Din as taught. There is a room adjacent to the mosque which I had mentioned. It faces the hill. I do not know on which side its door is. I do not know
at all the appearance and features of Qutb-ud-Din, nor had anybody told me, nor have I come to know or been acquainted with his looks etc. till now. (On a question from the court) Before appearance in the court, at 12 o’clock in the day, the lawyer Ram Bhaj came to me and
said: “You are not a bird that you would have killed and flown away”.  After this, Waris Din and others told me the name of Qutb-ud-Din. In the evening when the lawyer mentioned to me again then I gave him the name of Qutb-ud-Din. Before appearing in the court the second time, Prem Das had written the address of Qutb-ud-Din on the palm of my hand. (On a question from the lawyer of the defendant) When the testimony was taken the second time at Batala, after that I
remained with Doctor sahib. Two policemen, two sweepers and three Christians were guarding me, i.e. the deponent was under their watch.  No man of Mirza sahib met me, nor have I made this statement before the police officer on anyone’s persuasion or inducement. Only the Captain had said: “We want to find the truth”, and I deposed truthfully out of fear of God. The officers incharge of police stations had not intimidated or induced me. Mirza sahib had never said to me: “Go and kill Doctor sahib”. No one can go into the room adjacent to the mosque. That is the female section of the owner’s house. I do not even know anything about its door. Shaikh Waris Din, Bhagat Prem Das, another Christian old man and Abdur Rahim had been tutoring me during the night before the day when my second testimony was taken.  They kept me confined to the house, locking it from outside. At Anarkali they used to tutor me: “You should say that Mirza sahib had sent you to kill”. When the lawyer asked me in the evening, Doctor sahib was sitting at that time a little distance away. The lawyer said: “Whatever question is put by the lawyer for the defendant, give a perverse reply”. I say this truly and with conviction that the lawyer Ram Bhaj had said to me as stated above. An Arya policeman had accompanied me to Qadian. I had stayed with the Aryas. The Aryas supplied the witnesses. Nihal Chand the teacher is a Christian.
Abdul Hameed with own pen. Read out. Is correct. Accepted.
Signature of the Judge.

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Prabh Dyal of Qadian and his testimony in court (1897)

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Prabh Dyal seems to be an owner of a sweets shop in Qadian and was called as a character witness on behalf of MGA.  This is the famous case of premeditated murder between Dr. Clarke and MGA (1897).  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, page 184.

Prabh Dyal prosecution witness on solemn affirmation 13th August 1897

Son of Ram Chand, caste Brahmin, resident of Qadian, age 50 years, stated: I have a sweets shop. He used to buy sweets from my shop. I do not remember the dates he had bought sweets. About a month ago I had seen him there, I do not know anything else. At that time he wore different clothes, red turban on head, feet in shoes, he had also worn a pyjama [loose trousers]. He used to remove [upper] garments and worked bare [backed] at lifting of baskets. I consider Mirza sahib a chief. He owns a mansion, houses, land. (On question from the lawyer of the defendant) Hindu people also think well of him. Today the policeman has brought me.
Prabh Dyal. Read out. Is correct. Signature of the Judge.

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Al-Haq Ludhiana, some quotes

Intro
MGA and his team wrote about their famous written-debate with Batalvi in July of 1891, its called Al-Haq Mubahathah Ludhiana.  Interestingly, during this written exchange, MGA said that Muslims were divided into 73 sects just after the 3rd century of Islam (see the scan in the below). There were no Deobandi. Barelvi or Ahle Hadith sects then.  This contradicts the recent Ahmadi argument i.e., that in 1974, 72 sects in Pakistan declared Ahmadi’s as Non-Muslims thus fulfilling the famous hadith.

He continued to urge the Ahl-e-Hadith to stop calling him Kafir.  MGA argued that everyone should be considered a Muslim, simply by a self-declaration, he was telling his fellow Ahl-e-Hadith friends to look over minor differences, and he denied prophethood.  This debate was held on July 20-31, 1891, this booklet was first published on September 2, 1891 (see Hidden treasures).

Some quotes
Regarding the Book and sunnah as authorities I believe that the Book of Allah is to be preferred to all. If the purport of a hadith is not opposed to the Book of Allah, it would be accepted as authoritative, but we will not accept an interpretation of a hadith which is opposed to the clear text of the Holy Quran. So far as possible, we shall try to interpret a hadith so that it should be in accord with the clear text of the Book of Allah, but if we come across a hadith which is opposed to the text of the Holy Quran, and it cannot be interpreted in any other way, we would reject it as spurious, inasmuch as God, the Glorious, has said: In what discourse apart from Allah and His commandments will they believe? (45:7). This means that if the Holy Quran is conclusive and positive about a matter and its meaning is clear, a believer should not accept a hadith which is clearly opposed to it. To the same effect is the verse: In what discourse thereafter will they believe (7: 186). According to these verses a believer must accept the Book of Allah without condition and should accept a hadith conditionally. This is my stand. (Al-Haq Mubahathah Ludhiana, pp. 11-12, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 4, pp. 9-10)(See Hidden Treasures also).

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Maulvi Muhammad Husain was a witness against MGA in the famous case of Dr. Clarke vs. MGA (1897)

Intro
By 1899, the British government had legally stopped Syed Muhammad Hussain Batalvi from commenting or responding to MGA.  From 1889 to 1899, he vehemently opposed MGA, who was an old class mate of his and family friend.  Like most Indians, he was denied a chair in court, whereas MGA was always given a chair, this was the level of racism in British-India.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 182-183.

Maulvi Muhammad Husain, prosecution witness on solemn affirmation 13th August 1897
Son of Rahim Bakhsh, caste Shaikh, resident of Batala, age 56 years.

Stated: I have known Mirza sahib for a long time. He has made many prophecies, twenty to twenty-five prophecies. The writing at the end of page 44 of Anjam-e-Atham, that God would root out falsehood means that falsehood would perish. I do not construe from this writing
that there is some special personal enmity of Mirza sahib with Mr. Clarke. The debate is religious. I do not agree with Mirza sahib on religious matters. In this connection he has sown discord among the Muslims and Christians etc., so that they are going after each other’s blood. This is the result of his teaching. He is a trouble-maker. I am aware of the religious feelings of the Muslims. If Mr. Clarke dies, Mirza sahib will be greatly honoured among his followers and it will prove his complicity. Abdullah Atham died after the [appointed] period, while Mirza sahib has written in Anjam-e-Atham that he died according to his prophecy. I, the deponent, met Mr. Clarke in 1895.  Never met him again afterwards. In fact I have a grievance against him and feel sorry that I had met him for a special purpose but he did not show sympathy. He has never met my brother. I have written an 80 page book about the murder of Lekhram. The gist of it is that on Mirza sahib lies the responsibility of giving information about the murder of Lekhram. For, according to him, God gives him information about everything; why does He not tell the whereabouts of the murderer? With the exception of the prophecy on page 44, marked ‘F’, Mirza sahib has not made any prophecy about Mr. Clarke. Question: I belong to the Ahl-e-Hadith who used to be erroneously called Wahhabi earlier. (Are the Muslims of other schools of thought, i.e.
Hanafi, Shia, etc., against the Ahl-e-Hadith? The court did not allow this question.) My meaning of “after each other’s blood” is that the people who are against Mirza sahib should be butchered by his followers, i.e. considered fit to be butchered. This is his teaching.

The witness presented page 601 of the book A’ina Kamalat Islam and stated: On page 600 the question marked with the letter ‘S’ has been written by me and the answer at letter ‘R’ is from Mirza sahib. I had written the review on Barahin Ahmadiyya, page 176 to 188 at letter ‘T’. At that time the affairs of Mirza sahib were favourable and I had written accordingly. I had written that Mirza sahib’s father had helped during the mutiny. In the book Isha‘at-us-Sunnah, volume 13 at letter ‘U’, I had given the judgment of unbelief [fatwa kufr] about Mirza sahib. I do not consider Mirza sahib a Muslim. He is an atheist. Maulvi Ghulam Qadir Hanafi does not call me a trouble-maker nor does he call the Ahl-e-Hadith as unbelievers. There are disputes among the people due to our writings and teachings also, but not of the type that would lead to blood-shedding. There have been court cases also. I have written an article in support of and in sympathy with the Sultan of Turkey. Mirza sahib has written against the Sultan of Turkey.

(At this stage, we reproduce below the note given by the court in English.) “I consider sufficient evidence has been recorded regarding the hostility of the witness to the Mirza and there is no necessity to stray further from the main lines of the case.”

Remaining statement of the witness:
Whatever I have said about the murder of Lekhram, that the murder has been committed by the conspiracy of Mirza sahib, has been deduced from the writings of Mirza sahib himself. (Said again) Mirza sahib is responsible for this murder. I do not call him a murderer. Nor is there a conspiracy. He is responsible from his own writings to point out [the murderer]. The number of followers of Mirza sahib, according to a list, is about 313 or close to it.

Question: Excepting these followers, are the other Muslims in India against Mirza sahib? (The court did not allow this question.) I saw Abdul Hameed on 8th or 9th August 1897. A Christian was taking him along with himself. At Batala I did not go to the residence of Dr. Clarke. Prophecy or no prophecy, Mirza sahib will derive benefit from the death of Mr. Clarke. My death will also bring benefit to Mirza sahib. I am very much against Christianity.

Written by the hand of Muhammad Hussain.

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Shaikh Rahmatullah’s legal statements in 1897 in the case of Dr. Clarke vs. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

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Shaikh Rahmatullah was a rich man and an Ahmadi.  He was called as a witness in the case of  Dr. Clarke vs. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 180-181.

Statement of Shaikh Rahmatullah on solemn affirmation 13th August 1897
Son of Shaikh Abdul Karim, caste Shaikh, resident of Gujrat, at present Lahore. Age 40 years. Stated:  I am a merchant. I have been a follower of Mirza sahib for about six years. I do not know the number of followers. I had seen Abdul Hameed perhaps in the month of May in the city of Lahore. He had come to my shop. He had not been sent to me by the Muslims of Gujrat. Amir-ud-Din had not sent him to me. I do not remember the exact date. He had said to me: “I am the paternal nephew of Burhanud-Din. I had become a Christian, but now my belief has changed. I want to become a Muslim.” I had heard earlier also that a paternal nephew of Burhan-ud-Din was a Christian. I do not know who had said this. He had stayed for two or three days at my house for men. He made up his mind to go to Qadian and asked me for the fare. I had given him 8 annas cash. I did not receive any information that he had reached there. I had come to know from some visitor that he had reached there. He returned four or five days later, but I was not there. My men said: “He had come and has gone to Jhelum”. I did not see him subsequently. I usually go to Qadian. By the grace of God, I am wealthy. I pay 153 Rupees tax. At Qadian I stay at the guest house which is separate from Mirza sahib’s house. Mirza sahib does not have a private meeting room, he meets the ordinary people, the general public, in the mosque. I am not aware of any special place where he holds consultations. If it is within my power and money is needed for the sake of Islam then I am ready to give help to Mirza sahib. I had gone to Gujrat between 16th and 22nd July 1897. I cannot say by what name Abdul Hameed had made himself known to me. I know Yusuf Khan. He never led prayers in my presence nor is he fit to be appointed to lead prayers.

(On a question of the lawyer of the defendant) I know Abdul Hameed to be a rogue. He had said to me: “I have some doubts [on religious matters]. To remove them I am going to Qadian”. There is a bathroom adjacent to the mosque. It is for urinating and bathing. There is no place for sitting there. There is no closet. During a period of six years I never got an opportunity to meet Mirza sahib in privacy inside the house. If sometimes on the occasion of a gathering, three or four hundred people assemble, then the female section is vacated and all persons assemble there. Otherwise no one goes there. He does not meet any one except at the times of the five prayers.

Question: Did Mr. Clarke send [horse-drawn] carts to Qadian at night? Answer: The said gentleman had sent three carts. Question: Do you know Girdhari Lal the Arya? Answer: I have seen him; there is no personal acquaintance. I had gone to Qadian at night. Abdul Hameed has gone to Qadian in the morning. I know Ganga Ram. He was a teacher at Qadian. He also has gone to Qadian along with Abdul Hameed. I know Ganga Ram is an Arya. On a question from the advocate: The bathroom has a door which can be closed. There is a storey above it. It is an open courtyard, and is commonly used for prayers. Mirza sahib also comes here. From the mosque a door leads to Mirza sahib’s house, and another from the stairs.
Signature in English. Read out. Is correct. Signature of the Judge.

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The statement of Maulvi Nur-ud-Din in the case of Dr. Clarke vs. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1897)

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During MGA’s famous case vs. Dr. Clarke in Gurdaspur, many Ahmadi’s were called as character witnesses for MGA.  Noorudin was the top witness.   However, since MGA was above the law in British-India, since his father Mirza Ghulam Murtaza helped to kill the mutineers of 1857, MGA was given respite even when he was totally guilty.  We found this testimony in MGA’s book,. “kitab ul Barriya” (1897), in a Lahori-Ahmadi translation, pages 177-179.

Statement of Maulvi Nur-ud-Din, prosecution witness on solemn affirmation, 30th August 1897
Son of Ghulum Rasul, resident of Bherah, District Shahpur, Tribe Quraishi, age 50 years. Stated:
I have been a follower of Mirza sahib for a very long time, for years. I have never received the title of the angel of the right hand, nor of khalifa. I am not called the most venerable of all. Abdul Hameed does not belong to our clan. We are Quraishis and Abdul Hameed is a Gakhkhar. There is no connection. I did not receive any postage-due letter from Abdul Hameed. I take three types of postage-due letters: Those coming from home; or if someone posts with stamps but it becomes postage-due by mistake then I pay its charge; or I honour postage-due letters of book parcels. The other postage-due letters I return. I am acquainted with Abdul Hameed. He came to Qadian twice and had said to me: “Arrange for me to take the oath of allegiance to Mirza sahib.” I made a submission to Mirza sahib. He said: “I do not administer the oath of allegiance so readily, nor do I like such an oath where the affairs of the person taking the oath of allegiance are not fully known”. Abdul Hameed stayed for two or three days and went away. I do not remember when he came. I do not know after how much time he came again, but it was not after a long time. As for the second time I do not remember how many days he stayed. Mirza sahib dealt with Abdul Hameed neither strictly nor with love. Once Mirza sahib said: “Do not let strangers stay for long when it is not known how decent they are.” I do not know whether there is a follower of Mirza sahib in Bengal or not. There are two followers at Hyderabad, one at Bombay, none at Karachi, none at Kabul, none at Lucknow, one at Delhi. There are followers in the Punjab. I do not remember their number. Mirza sahib writes books. Some of his followers take away the books free, some pay the price and also make a donation. I think Mirza sahib can pay a reward up to 10,000 Rupees. As long as Yusuf Khan stayed at Qadian he stayed away from us. But we did not find anything wrong with him. Mirza sahib did not pay the fare to Abdul
Hameed. He had instructed to turn him out. He does not let useless people stay. As far as I know and remember I had given him 2 annas. Mirza sahib did not give him anything. I did not myself see Abdul Hameed working in the press. I had heard that he used to work. As for abuses, I had heard that he had abused Mirza sahib. He had not abused Mirza sahib in my presence. I cannot say about Abdul Hameed whether or not he was there on the day of the Jubilee. Burhan-ud-Din had come at the time of the Jubilee. He had told me: “This boy is not
good. You will get trouble from him”, that is, he will harm you. I do not know who had asked Abdul Hameed to go away. I had not said this.

On a question from the lawyer of the defendant: When Abdul Hameed first came to Qadian I got acquainted with him. He stayed where the common people, visitors or beggars etc. stay. The place is at a distance of a hundred yards from the house of Mirza sahib. Mirza sahib does not go there. I have been staying with Mirza sahib continuously for four years. He lives in privacy. He comes out only five times for the prayers and sometimes goes out for fresh air. He comes out at the times of the morning, midday, afternoon, sunset and night prayers. There is public gathering then. Everybody is present there. Nobody goes inside the house of Mirza sahib. I have never been there myself. Mirza sahib had given a general order that with the exception of sincere persons, other strangers should be turned out. When Burhan-ud-Din had said “this boy is not good” I had not talked to Mirza sahib about this. On the contrary, I had told Burhan-ud-Din:
“The wicked improve. Why do you think so badly of him?” He had said: “I have more experience of him”. Abdul Hameed never attended my lessons. He did not meet Mirza sahib at all. He suffers from venereal disease. I had treated him. When he came to Qadian again, I was at the same place. He was turned out after his second visit. Perhaps Burhan-ud-Din was not at that place at that time. This is highly probable. As for the expulsion of Muhammad Yusuf, I have just
heard it said that he was expelled. Actually he had gone himself. The writing, exhibit ‘F’, page 44 is about truth and falsehood, that anyone who does not follow truth will be destroyed by God, whoever he may be. This includes Mirza sahib also. This writing is not a prophecy. Whoever he may be, the end of the wicked and the liar is not good. The word at the end of the writing is ‘lie’, not ‘liar’. I know Muhammad Saeed who has become a Christian. He had been expelled from Qadian by Mirza sahib. Yusuf Khan and Muhammad Saeed used to live together at one place. They did not leave Qadian together. They had left separately. I do not know where the bathroom inside the house is situated. The mosque has a public bathroom. (On a question from the advocate): Mirza sahib has no closet inside the mosque. (On a question from the Court) Oath of allegiance was not taken from Abdul Hameed. I had not made him read any of the conditions of allegiance. (Exhibit ‘H’). Nur-ud-Din. Read out. Is correct. Nur-ud-Din.
Signature of the Judge

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