Intro
Bro Imtiaz talked about this in Feb-2025 (3:42:28 time stamp). In Aug-2025, Bashir Ain accidentally admits that Allah is above the Earth and has location (See the clip on TikTok and Twitter).
Ahmadi’s will argue for hours and hours and claim that Allah is everywhere. They argue that Allah is in the Heavens (Jannah and Samaa Wattay) and the Earth (ardh) simultaneously. They got this from MGA, since they deny 4:158 and thus were forced to say that Allah is everywhere, since 4:158 proves that Allah took Eisa (as) body and soul towards himself aka the Heavens (Jannah and Samaa Wattay).
Ironically, MGA even said Allah was in the the Heavens (Jannah and Samaa Wattay). In Tiryaqul-Qulub, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 15, page 499, MGA clearly claims that Allah is in the “Asmaan” (heavens). There are 5 additional references, See RK-3:180, RK-5:409, RK-5:268, RK-15:499 and RK-22:154.
In 1903, MGA said that Allah is above (3:43:46 time stamp)! In an article entitled, “The Meaning of Allah being in the Sky” (Khuda Taala Kay Asmaan may ohnay ka mafoom). MGA argues that per the Quran, Allah has attributed “above-ness” to himself and we cannot attribute down-ness to Allah (See Malfuzat-3, page 482-Urdu edition, Al-Hakam Vol. 7 Number 1, dated January 10, 1903, page 11).
In 1904, MGA got a revelation wherein he (MGA) was called the Arsh ([al-Badr, vol. 3, no. 16–17, April 24, May 1, 1904, p. 8], via Tadhkirah). He writes: “This word has been used because ‘Arsh [throne] is the perfect manifestation of God’s attributes of jamal [beauty] and jalal [majesty] and the Promised Messiah is the perfect manifestation of His attributes of beauty which are being displayed just now. This also goes with the Ahmadiyya argument (and Sir Syed) that Allah is everywhere, which is not true, in fact, check out the famous Shamsi debunking that line of argumentation herein.
In 1908, MGA and his team of writers argued that “Asmaan” is above us (See via Bro Imtiaz, 3:43:46 time stamp). In an article entitled, “Arsh Kee Haqiqat” (Reality of the Arsh). Allah is on his Arsh (throne). The throne is where the sphere of creation ended. It’s not a throne like the throne of Kings and etc. The Arsh of Allah is like a station (maqam) and it is above (ala). It is far and beyond, above and above (3:43:55). In conclusion, MGA is arguing that Allah is above his throne (arsh), in the sky, this throne and the sky is above! It is far beyond all of the stations. It exists where there is no interference of creation (See English Malfuzat-10-pages, 224-234
Al-Hakam, vol. 12, no. 21, p. 2–3, dated 22 March 1908).
Furthermore, it seems that MGA was silent on 67:16 and 67:17 (or I haven’t found the reference yet). In these verses, Allah clearly tells Muslims that he is in the heavens (asamaa-ee)(and thus above us). In the Qadiani-Ahmadi official 5-volume commentary of the Quran, Malik Ghulam Farid alleges that this only means that Allah’s wrath descends from heaven (asamaa-ee), and thus, Allah is not confined to the heavens (asamaa-ee).
In 1917, in Maulvi Muhammad Ali’s famous commentary of the Quran, he wrote that this verse is referring to the angels in heaven. This verse also connects to 4:158 and Allah raising Eisa (as) towards himself (Raf’a-hoo). The 2nd Qadiani-Ahmadi Khalifa didn’t write extended commentary on this verse in Tafseer-e-Kabeer, however, it seems that he did leave some notes in Tafeer-e-Sagheer (I haven’t found those yet).
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1890-1891
Izala Auham, pages 132 and 142
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Page 132, “””…sahih hadith do not even contain the word sky (asmaan)…”””
Page 142, “””…sahih Muslim hadith contains the words that when Hazrat Maseeh comes down from the sky..”””
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Ai’na-i-Kamalat-i-Islam, Ruhani Khuzain, page 268
“Hazrat Maseeh was informed in sky that your nation& followers have been in rebellion. He (jesus) thus wanted to come back after looking the his nation at the peak of worst rottenness”.
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1894
Hamamatul Bushra, page 202, V-7
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“””haan, baaz ahadith may eisa bin maryam kay nuzul ka luffuz paya jatay, laikin, kissee hadith may yah nahee paau gay kay isska nuzul asmaan say ho ga…”””
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1899-1902
Tiryaqul-Qulub, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 15, page 499
“””So he loved the cross for the sake of truth and mounted it as a brave rider mounts a excited horse, so I also love the cross for the good of the creatures and I believe that the one who just as God’s grace and mercy saved Jesus Christ from the cross and saved him from the cross and the consequences of the cross by accepting his all-night prayer that was done in the garden, so will He save me and Jesus Christ. After being freed from the cross, he came to Nusaybin and then while in the country of Afghanistan, he reached Mount Numan, and as the plinth of Prince Nabi at that place still testifies, he stayed in Mount Numan for a period and then after that. He came towards Punjab and finally went to Kashmir and worshiped on Mount Sulaiman for a period of time and till the time of the Sikhs there was an inscription of his memorial on Mount Sulaiman. There is his holy shrine near. Therefore, as this prophet accepted the cross for the truth, I also accept it. If within one year after this meeting which I encourage the government Mohsina, my signs will dominate the whole world. If not, then I am not from God. I agree that in the punishment for this crime May I be killed and my bones should be broken. But God who is in heaven who knows the thoughts of the heart whose inspiration I have written this petition He will be with me and he is with me. It is His Spirit that speaks within me. Not by myself, but by him I am conveying this message on behalf of all that is required for the completion of the argument.”””
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https://www.youtube.com/live/0dGS0-d6L3Y?si=L57BYJaJN5curQCl
Bro Imtiaz talked about this in Feb-2025 (3:42:28 time stamp).
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Malfuzat-3, page 482-Urdu edition
Al-Hakam Vol. 7 Number 1, dated January 10, 1903, page 11
Ahmadiyya Deception Continues | Live Stream – YouTube
3:43:46 time stamp
Allah is above (3:43:46 time stamp)! In an article entitled, “The Meaning of Allah being in the Sky” (Khuda Taala Kay Asmaan may ohnay ka mafoom). MGA argues that per the Quran, Allah has attributed “above-ness” to himself and we cannot attribute down-ness to Allah.
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1904
al-Badr, vol. 3, no. 16–17, April 24, May 1, 1904, p. 8
Via Tadhkirah, Notebook of the Revelations of the Promised Messiahas, p. 26, shows a different sequence of these revelations. [Syed Abdul Hayee]
[Arabic] You have a standing with Me of which people have no knowledge. You are to Me like My ‘Arsh [Throne]. [Publishers]
“”Regarding the ‘Arsh [Throne] the Promised Messiah said: This word has been used because ‘Arsh [throne] is the perfect manifestation of God’s attributes of jamal [beauty] and jalal [majesty] and the Promised Messiah is the perfect manifestation of His attributes of beauty which are being displayed just now. That is why I have been addressed with the names of all the Prophets, so that I might become a perfect manifestation of all their qualities. The attributes of God Almighty, that He bestows life and causes death, are both mightily in operation. On one side, people are being revived, and on the other they are dying. Divine attributes are being manifested in these days in their full glory; that is why the phrase ‘Arsh has been used in this revelation.”””
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1908–March
Malfuzat-10-Urdu, page 31
3:43:46 time stamp
English Malfuzat-10-pages, 224-234
Al-Hakam, vol. 12, no. 21, p. 2–3, dated 22 March 1908
Asmaan is above us (3:43:46 time stamp). In an article entitled, “Arsh Kee Haqiqat” (Reality of the Arsh). Allah is on his Arsh (throne). The throne is where the sphere of creation ended. It’s not a throne like the throne of Kings and etc. The Arsh of Allah is like a station (maqam) and it is above (ala). It is far and beyond, above and above (3:43:55). In conclusion, MGA is arguing that Allah is above his throne (arsh), in the sky, this throne and the sky is above! It is far beyond all of the stations. It exists where there is no interference of creation.
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Links and Related Essay’s
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and 67:16 (67:17 in the Qadiani Quran) – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
https://youtu.be/Y8QA_yH-KII?si=17Ow2lXs1QFmR9_g
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