Intro
In a recent live stream, Bro Imtiaz quoted the Urdu-edition of the ROR of 1902 (Urdu-ROR of March-1902, page 116), which can also be found in the English version of the ROR (English-ROR, March-1902, page 119-120). These quotes come from an article entitled, “Unity vs. Trinity”, the name of the author is not given (Razi admitted it belongs to MGA), Maulvi Muhammad Ali was the editor (in 1914, Maulvi Muhammad Ali became the leader of the Lahori-Ahmadi’s). “Unity vs. Trinity” has 2 parts, part-1 was published in the English ROR of Feb-1902, and part-2 in March-1902, part-3 came in April-1902. In part-3, MGA famously cited phantom Jewish sources and alleged that Eisa (as) had fell in love with some woman (astagfarullah) and how Mary’s (as) marriage was considered illegitimate by the Jewish clergy.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad actually believed that Eisa (as) was a drunkard and hung out with prostitutes (astagfarullah)(See the Urdu-ROR of March-1902, page 116). MGA said, “In my opinion (Marray Nasdeeq), the Messiah wasn’t one to abstain from alcohol”. This line was purposely mistranslated by Maulvi Muhammad Ali. In this same era (1902), MGA was disrespecting Eisa (as) and saying that Yahya (as) was better than him based on the Quran (astagfarullah)(See also “Dafi-ul-Bala”, page-3, online english edition)(Check out MGA’s writings on Yahya [as]). Bro Imtiaz talks about Yahya (as) as Khusoorun (6:11:45 time stamp)(3:39, 3:40 in the Qadiani Quran) as he authenticated the biblical narrative that Eisa (as) drank alcohol/wine (astagfarullah). MGA was disrespecting Eisa (as) and saying that Yahya (as) was better than him based on the Quran (astagfarullah)(See also “Dafi-ul-Bala”, page-3, online english edition)(Check out MGA’s writings on Yahya [as]).
In the same ROR, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that Jesus’ example of morals was quite worthless and misleading. You can listen to Sunni Imam’s Usman Iqbal and Abdul Haleem for their explanation here.
Isa was a Drunkard and Hung out with Prostitutes
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Urdu-ROR of March-1902, page 116
English-ROR of March-1902, pages 119-120
“In my opinion (Marray Nasdeeq), the Messiah wasn’t one to abstain from alcohol”.
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Urdu-ROR of March-1902, page 110
English-ROR, March-1902, page 114
4:55:19 time stamp
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“…not only the objection of the Jews, but it is also proven from the Gospel that Jesus was guilty of it (i.e., drinking alcohol), all his life, that is it is also a part of the Lord’s Supper. And in the Gospel, Jesus confesses that Yahya (John) did not drink alcohol. But regarding himself (Jesus) exaggeratedly used the word “eater and drinker”. Hence, no one has any doubt that Jesus Christ used to drink alcohol…”.
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Urdu-ROR, March-1902, Pages 108-109
English-ROR, March-1902, page 112
“…by the confession of the Messiah when he said, “don’t call me righteous”, above and beyond other things, it proves that he was a sinner. Because, the actions of Christ shed light on the same meanings and takes this matter (that he was a sinner) to the level of Haqq-al-Yaqeen. Because, first, He took the Baptism of repentance on John’s hand, which is a confession of sin–Hence, by taking this baptism he had put a stamp on being a sinner…”.
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1892-1893
A’ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 5, page 597
“…often such deep mysteries, in the form of sayings and actions, have been manifested by the Prophets that were very absurd and shameful in the eyes of the ignorants, such as Hazrat Musa asking for the vessels and cloths of the Egyptians and then keeping them in his own use (permanently). And Hazrat Masih going to the house of a prostitute and using her perfume, which was not from a HALAL earnings, and not stopping her from applying it on his body, and Hazrat Ibrahim speaking three times in such a way that they seem to be lies..”
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______________________________________________________________________________________________The full timeline and list of references of how MGA insulted Esa (as)
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1880
RK-1, page 94, Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya, V-2
Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya, V-2, pages 111-112, online english edition
5:42:00 time stamp
“Hazrat Masih did not let anyone call him good”.
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MGA denied all the miracles of Esa (as) as explained in the Quran.
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Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, page 285
“””And he achieves very little in enlightening the inner self and purifying the soul, which is the real purpose. That’s the reason that although Christ used to heal physical ailments through this (amal e tirb or mesmerism). But in terms of firmly establishing, in the hearts, guidance, oneness of Allah and religious steadfastness, his rank is so low that he nearly failed…””
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1892
Firstly, in 1892, in Nishan Asmani, MGA insulted the name Esa:
“””I am extremely perplexed as to why these Ulema are vexed by the word ‘Isa. In Islamic literature, even detestable things are named ‘Isa. For instance, in the book Burhan-e-Qati‘a, under the letter ‘‘Ain’, we read, that ‘Isa Dihqani is a metaphor for wine made from the grapes and ‘Isa Nau Maha is the bunch of grapes from which wine is made. Wine made from grapes is also called ‘Isa Nau Maha. Now, it is outrageous that these Ulema should name a wine ‘Isa and not hesitate to mention this in their books and consider it permissible that an abominable thing and a holy man should have the same appellation, while the person whom God Almighty, by His grace and power, names ‘Isaas, as opposed to the prevalent Dajjaliyyat, should be considered by them to be an infidel.””””(Nishan Asmani, online english edition, page 37).
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Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Ruhani Khazain, Vol. 5, page 200
“”The magnitude to which Jesus Christ failed to spread the divine truth and monotheism, perhaps the example of his is rarely found in the history of any other prophet…”””
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1894
Itmamul Hujjah, p. 24, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 8, p. 305
“””Christ was only an ordinary prophet…he came only for a certain nation and unfortunately, no spiritual benefit could be brought to the world by his person. He left behind, in the world, an example of such a prophethood who harm proved to be more than its benefit. It is because of his coming that the trials and temptations are increased”””.
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Itmamul Hujjah, p. 36, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 8, p. 308, See Hidden Treasures
“””…The man who in his being and his attributes and his actions and through his spiritual and holy faculties set an example of perfection, in knowledge and action and in sincerity and steadfastness, and was called the perfect man was Muhammad, peace be on him…. The man
who was most perfect as man and as Prophet, and came with full blessings, and who through a spiritual revival and resurrection manifested the first judgment in the world and revived the dead world, that blessed Prophet, the Seal of the Prophets, the leader of the righteous ones, the pride of the Prophets, was Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him. Our Lord, send down on that beloved Prophet that mercy and blessing that Thou hast not sent down on anyone since
the beginning of the world. Had that grand Prophet not appeared in the world then we would have no proof of the truth of lesser Prophets like Jonah, Job, Jesus son of Mary, Malachi, John, Zakaria, etc. Though they were favourites and honoured and were beloved ones of Almighty
God, they are under obligation to this Prophet that they were accepted in the world as true Prophets. O Allah, send down Thy blessings on him and on his people and on his companions, all of them. Our last word is that all praise belongs to Allah, Lord of the worlds.””””
Itmamul Hujjah, p. 36, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 8, p. 308, Via Aaqa Ka Ghulam
Urdu transliteration
“”Maseeh tho siruf aik mumulee sa nabee tha, haan, vo bee, qaroor ha maqerboh may say aik tha””
English translation
“”The Messiah was just a small prophet, yes, even he just one amongst the hundred thousands (of prophets)””.
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”what is jesus e.s .he is just an obedient person. If God wants he can within no time can make billions like him, in fact better than him (jesus e.s) ………….Maseeh was just a normal prophet. However he was one of billions of near ones (of God). He was from the Normal group. Just a normal (person) not a special one and not more than that …….He came for the specific nation. Alas, he could not benefit any one spiritually. His prophet hood left an example that his loss was more than his benefit, and his coming has caused to increase (bad) fate and curse.’
(Roohani khazyian 8-page 308 -Atmamul hujjah )
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In 1895, MGA and his team finally called Esa (as) a drunkard, and its obvious that they copied Lekh Ram. Here is the quote:
“Jesus was an Alcoholic and Gluttonous person, neither Abstinent nor a Pious Worshipper, nor a Truth seeker. He was a Proud and a Self- conceited Claimant of Divinity.” (Nur-ul-Quran, Roohani Khazain Vol 9 p.387)(see page 153 of the English edition).
“A beautiful prostitute is sitting so close to him as though she is embracing him. Sometimes she massages his head with perfume or holds his feet, and sometimes she lays her beautiful black hair on his feet and plays in his lap. In this situation Mr. Messiah is sitting in ecstasy. If someone rises to object he is scolded. Besides his young age, the habit of alcoholism and being a bachelor, a beautiful prostitute is lying in front of him touching her body with his. Is this the behavior of a virtuous person? And what evidence or proof is there that Jesus did not get sexually aroused by the touch of the prostitute? Alas! Jesus could not even have the facility of sexual intercourse with a wife of his own after passing his glance upon that adulteress. What sexual excitement would have been provoked by the touching of that wretched adulteress and her playfulness! The sexual excitement and arousal would have done its work to the extreme. This is the reason why Jesus could not even open his mouth to say, ‘Oh adulteress! Keep away from me’. It is well established in the Bible that that woman was one of the prostitutes, notorious for adultery in the entire city”. (Nur-ul-Quran, Roohani Khazain vol 9 p.449).
“You may have tried to find a solution to the objection (raised) about the Messiah’s paternal and maternal grandmothers. I am tired of thinking (of a justification of this). Up to now no nice solution has occurred to do me. What a glorious god he is whose paternal and maternal grandmothers are of such repute!” (Nur-al-Quran, Roohani Khazain, vol 9 p.394).
“(while on the cross) Jesus could not portray himself as pious man because people knew he was gluttonous alcoholic and these bad habits were not ever since claiming divinity but it seems from early age he had (these habits). Therefore to claim divinity is one of the bad after effects of alcoholism.” (Satt bachan, Roohani Khazain vol 10 p 296).
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1895
“Mi‘yarul Madhahib” (The Criterion for Religions)(1895)
RK-9, page 480
“””…strangely enough, the Holy Ghost continued to descend upon him everyday and the Psalms continued to be revealed rapidly, yet neither the Holy Ghost nor belief in the Atonement of Jesus could prevent him from immoralities and he ultimately died steeped in these vices. What is even more strange is that Atonement couldn’t even save the maternal and paternal grandmothers of Jesus from illicit sex, though it could not but smear the pristine purity of Jesus’ nature, particularly when there were as many as three such grandmothers. Thus one ‘revered’ maternal grandmother of Jesus, who in one sense was also his paternal grandmother, was Rehab, the harlot, i.e., a prostitute. (See Joshua 2: 1) The second maternal grandmother, who, in one sense, was also a paternal grandmother, was named Tamar. She was a woman of easy virtue like professional prostitutes. (See Genesis 38:16-30) Another maternal grandmother of Jesus, who in one sense was also a paternal grandmother of his, is known by the name of Bath-Sheba. She was none other than the ‘pious’ one who committed adultery with David. 5 (See 2 Samuel 11).””””
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“Mi‘yarul Madhahib” (The Criterion for Religions)(1895)
RK-9, page 485-486
5:44:18 time stamp
“”…Jesus could not write “righteous” about himself because people knew that his person is a drinker (party guy) and his bad behavior is not manifested after becoming God, but it seems to be the case rigght from the beginning, so the claim of God is a consequence of drinking..”””
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Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain , Vol 11 p. 289-291
“(Jesus) had the habit of uttering obscenities and frequently using foul language. He used to get angry over petty things. He had no control over his emotions.” (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain , Vol 11 p.289 ).
“Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes, perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them, otherwise no pious man could allow a young prostitute to touch his head with her filthy hands, and massage his head with the unclean perfume purchased with the earnings of adultery and rub his feet with her hair. Let the intelligent judge what sort of character such a person must possess.” (Zamimah Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p.291).
“The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence.” (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol 11 p.291).
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1897
Four Questions by Mr. Sirajuddin, a Christian, and their Answers
See pages 56-57, online English edition
RK-12, Urdu edition, page 373
“””In its prohibition of swine the Torah has gone so far as to forbid even touching it, and it clearly says that the prohibition is for all times, but these people do not desist from it even though it was so abominable in the eyes of all the Prophets. We can concede that Jesus used to drink, but did he ever eat pork? Rather, he says in a parable, ‘Cast not your pearls before swine’.46 If pearls mean the holy word [of God], then swine would necessarily mean unclean people. Jesus clearly states in this parable that swine is unclean, for there has to be a close resemblance between a thing and its similitude…””
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English-ROR February-1902, page-43
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that Jesus’ example of morals was quite worthless and misleading – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
“Jesus..example..was quite worthless and misleading. He taught one thing..and did another” –
1902
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1902
2016 edition of Malfuzat, Volume-3, Page 279, Initially Published in Rabwah, 1961, in Urdu, covering the period from
November 1901 to October 14, 1902.
Translation
“”The Messiah used to get oil massages from adulterous women, if he had begged allah for forgiveness (istighfar), then he wouldn’t have been as such”
Transliteration
“”Maseeh tho khud kunjereeo say thail malwata rai, agar istighfar karte, to yeh khalat nai hote”
Other editions of Malfuzat
1969 edition
1984 edition
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1902
In this utterance (initially published in the Al-Hakam, Feb-21-1902, page 3), Sheikh Yacub Ali Irfani was the editor, he must have heard this from MGA, the context is unknown, it is from a column in the Al-Hakam wherein the sayings of MGA were given without context in every edition. MGA is simply disrespecting Eisa (as) and using Jewish sources to allege that he was in love with random women (astagfarullah).
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1902
(Roohani Khazain, Dafi-ul-Bala- Volume 18 – Page 220)http://www.alislam.org/…/books/Defence-Against-Plague.pdf, Defence Against the Plague and a Criterion for the Elect of God (dafi ul bala translation) (p3).
“If you become shameless you can say anything but the fact of the matter is that Maseeh (Jesus) was not more pious than the righteous people of that period. Rather the Prophet Yahya (John) is superior to Maseeh because he did not drink alcohol and it was never heard that an unchaste woman came and anointed him with perfume of her unchaste earning or touched his body with her hands and hair. Or some non-mahram young women came to his service. That is the reason God called Yahya in Quran as Husoor (chaste) but He did not use such a name for Maseeh as such stories were prohibitive to name him so. Further, Hazrat Isa (AS) repented for his sins at the hands of Yahya who is called John by Christians and was made Elijah later on.”
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1902
Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.71
“The root cause of all the damage that alcohol consumption has had on the Europeans was that Jesus used to drink alcohol, perhaps because of some disease or an old habit.”
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Naseem Da’awat, Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.434-435, by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (this book is not in english).
“I remember an incident and which is that I have Diabetes for several years. I urinate 15-20 times daily and sometimes I urinate 100 times per day. Due to sugar in urine, I also get infection in urine and due to excessive urination I become very weak. Once a friend suggested that Opium is beneficial in Diabetes, therefore there is no harm if I use it as medicine. I answered: ‘It is very nice of you to have sympathise with me but if I form a habit of taking Opium than I am afraid that people will joke that THE FIRST MESSIAH WAS AN ALCOHOLIC AND THE SECOND ONE AN OPIUM ADDICT.”
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1903
Malfoozat 5- page 188, Published in Rabwah, October 1963, in Urdu, 464 pages, covering the
period from January 17 to May 30, 1903.
Mirza Qadyani is Quoted to have said “””And once Hazrat Eisa (jesus) e.s came to earth and (what) was the result that many billions of people became Mushrik (Non believers). What is he going to make again, that people wish for his coming (back to world).”””
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1902
Malfuzat, Volume-2, page 446
“””and most wondrous of all matters is that the woman whose testimony Christians bring (as an evidence) for Jesus being risen to heavens, She, herself, was not a woman of right and good conduct…”
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1903, Malfuzat, Vol. 3, page 289
“”…in a discussion, there is nothing for the Christians, except humiliation and regret. Before attacking others, clean your own house! If they object over Moses (as) killing a man, then that incident is before the revelation of the Torah. But what happened to the Messiah that he was getting an oil massage from a prostitute, and while Gospel was being revealed to him..”
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1903, Malfuzat, Vol. 3, page 295
“””…show me a single aspect of good manners in Messiah, he is absolutely free from this. Without proof even a Jogi can claim that he has tamed his self..”””
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1903, Malfuzat, Vol. 3, page 327
“””…Jesus was born of Maryam’s womb, as per the Gospel, his entire life was quite painful and miserable. Had beatings (from his enemies), ultimately Jews arrested him and crucified him, if this is the model of a “God” then who can believe in him…”””
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Malfuzat, V-1, page 469
“”””….likewise, look at the life of Christ. He kept on praying all night long and requested his friends to do it. Finally, it came to the point when he said: “My God, why have you forsaken me?” Now, by looking at such a pitiful state who can say that he was divinely appointed? The portrayal that the priests have put together, of the last moments of Christ, is absolutely disappointing..”.
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Malfuzat, V-3, page 208, 1988 edition
“””….the source of all blessings is the Quran, neither Gospel, nor the Torah. Whoever abandons the Quran and leans towards them (Gospel and Torah), he is an apostate and a disbeliever, but he who leans towards the Quran is a Muslim…”””.
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“””Eisa (as) was cut off (from this world, i.e., died) in such a state that those disciples who had been prepared (by him) with great hard work, those who had the opportunity to be in his company day and night, even they did not prove to be completely sincere and loyal to him. And Christ himself doubted their faith and sincerity, that last time, the time of calamity and hardship, the disciples left him (alone). One was got him arrested and the other one stood up and cursed him 3 times at this his face. What else could be a greater failure..”””
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Malfuzat, v-6, page 8
“””Moses (Musa [as]), the prophet with great determination, also died on the way and he could not see the success of (entering) the holy land. It was his successor, his caliph, who became it’s conqueror…”””
“”But holy life of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the role model of a success, one takes proud in. That great success is unprecedented, no precedent cannot be found anywhere. He did not die until he achieved what he desired…””
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Malfuzat, v-5, page 197
“””The death of success and happiness belongs to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) more than all other prophets. Moses also succeeded, but the death took him over in his journey. He may had desired to reach that (holy) land, but it wasn’t fulfilled. If we think about the death of Christ, it is a complete failure. There were 12 disciples, in total. Some were promised to get the keys of heaven, they did not get that. One of them gave him away for a cash of 30 rupees (as bribe). The other one cursed him, even if we accept the Jesus ascended to the sky, he would have (ascended) moaning. He could not have had a peaceful death..”
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Malfuzat, v-3, page 163
“””Because Christ’s attention was concentrated on the bad diseases, so the reason why he was not successful in getting rid of sin was that they group he prepared could not reach the level of glory in his purification of the inner self and purification of the soul that the honorable companions found…”””
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Malfuzat-v-3, page 299
“””Jesus Christ could not cure spiritual diseases, so he died swearing. On the other hand, companions of the prophet Muhammad (Saw) are the examples of prophet’s curing power…”””
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Malfuzat-v-5, page 198
“””Christ (pbuh) was entrusted with only one task: reforming the Jews, and it was not a difficult task, but it was (his) weakness that nothing at all was accomplished…”””
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Malfuzat-v-5, page 286
“”I cannot even understand what these people will do by bringing down the same Jesus. After all, his faculties will be the same as before. What is it that he achieved in his first time that makes you think that he will achieve something in this turn? Where were a few humiliated handful of people, as his followers, even they were not reformed”””.
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Malfuzat-v-5, page 188
“””Isa (As) came on earth once, the result is that we have millions of polytheists in the world. What will be he do when he comes back a second time, that makes people desire for him to come back?”””
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Malfuzat-7, page 246
“””It is only the being of Christ which is such that both his friend as well as his enemy are in the hell. No other prophet has faced this type of trial (calamity).”””
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Malfuzat-2, page 506
“””Liars are the ones who say that Christ used to revive the dead. He (Jesus) is the one who could not revive even a few of his disciples, there were always dead people around him…”””
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Malfuzat-3, page 317
“””Isa (as) had always been defeated. It is not known that what he would have done, if he had been dominant..””
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Malfuzat-2, page 473
“””Allah does not give a disgraceful death to a believer; I know for sure that the to the one whose heart is connected with God Almighty, he does not give him a disgraceful death”””.
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Malfuzat-2, page 472
“””Weakness and lack of energy is such that, went on cross, while being slapped and flogged. The Jews said: ‘if you are the son of God, then come down from the cross. He can’t even answer them, let alone coming down. The state of his character was such that even his teacher kicks him out. And accusations by the Jews are against him for generations and no answer is given..”””
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Malfuzat, v-7, new edition, page 279
“””Spiritually, the influence of Christ was very little because the Jews did not believe and those who believed remained unaccomplished. One cursed, the other caused his arrest and the rest ran way..”””
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Malfuzat v-5, page 199
“””Same is the case of Jesus Christ, what a bitter life he had, he used to be swore at, victory and help being with the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is evidence of his truthfullness…”””
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Malfuzat, v-5, page 141
“””It is a matter of principle that there are means which indicate love and faith (in God). When we look at the story of Christ, we found out that, throughout his life, he was pushed away, to the point that even his crucifixion is doubtful..”””
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1906
Chashma Masihi, online english edition, page 16
“””This is the teaching of the Holy Quran. The Gospel, on the other hand, teaches unconditional forgiveness at all times, and thus tramples upon all sense of expediency on which the social structure is based. It only emphasizes the growth of one branch of the ‘tree’ of human ethics, and completely disregards all the others.
But, strangely enough, Jesus did not act upon his own moral teachings. He cursed the fig tree when he found it to be barren, while he exhorted others to pray. And while he taught others not to call anyone a fool, he himself went to the extent of calling the Jewish elders misbegotten,
hurling abuses at them in every sermon and calling them foul names. A teacher of morals must first exhibit those morals in himself. Could such a flawed teaching, which Jesus himself did not follow, be from God?
The only pure and perfect teaching is that of the Holy Quran, which nourishes all human faculties. It does not emphasize any one aspect, rather it teaches a judicious exercise of both forgiveness and chastisement. In truth, the Holy Quran is a reflection of the Divine law of nature which we witness all around us. It stands to reason that there should be harmony between God’s word and action.”””
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1907
Al-Badr, May 9th, 1907, page ?
“”Already once, Jesus came to earth, the result was that millions of people became polytheists in the world. What will he (Jesus) do when he comes back? That people want him (Eisa) to come?””
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1923
Mirza Bashir Ahmad son of Ghulam Qadiani, at page No. 732 Vol-3 of his book Seeratul Mahdi narrates this as under:-
“(801) Molvi Muhammad Ibrahim Bakapuri stated to me in writing that once he said to hazrat Masih e Moud (Mirza) that Allah has praised the mother of Essa a.s. with the title of SIDDIQAH, but huzur (mirza) said that, here the word, siddiqah has been used for negating the divinity of Essa a.s.. It has been used just like we in our punjabi language use the phrase “BHARJAI KANIYE SALAM AKHNA WAN” meaning O you the one-eyed wife of my brother, I say Salam to you. So the actual purpose of this sort of salam is actually not to convey salam but to remind her that she is one-eyed.”
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Links and Related Essay’s
“Ahmad, the Promised Messiah” by Maulvi Muhammad Ali (1906) – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog
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