LIVESTREAM: Q&A - Khatm-e-Nubuwwat in Law: Justice or Injustice?-Review by Dr. Shah

Intro
On June-27-2025, the Qadiani-Ahmadi Maulvi Team (on salary, paid mullahs in the UK) did a live stream on their True Islam UK channel.

—13:10, Ibrahim Ikhlaf quoted Izala Auham (1890-1891) and had argued that Ahmadi’s believe in the “Finality of Prophethood” in a stronger way than any other group. However, this is a quote from before 1901 and thus, not academically honest.

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—4:45, Mansoore Ahmad Clarke begins…

—5:45, Mansoor Ahmad Clark alleges that Muslims don’t believe in the Finality of Prophethood.

—6:01, Mansoor Ahmad Clark says that this stream is about Ahmadiyya persecution.

—8:00, Mansoor Ahmad Clark asks Ibrahim Ikhlaf to comment on if Ahmadi’s believe in Khatm-e-Nubuwwat or not.

—8:47, Ibrahim Ikhlaf admits that NO group of Muslims believe in Khatm-e-Nubuwwat the way that Ahmadi’s do.

—9:27, Ibrahim Ikhlaf mentions the famous “White Paper”, which was published about Ahmadi’s in 1984, he also mentioned 1974 and Ord-XX. Ibrahim Ikhlaf was reading off of a script! Weirdo!

—10:46, Ibrahim Ikhlaf says that non-Ahmadi Muslim scholars allege that Ibn Khaldun, ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim, Shah Wali Ullah and Allama Iqbal all support their view. However, Maulvi Raheel and Razi have showed the opposite (this is a lie).

—11:45, Ibrahim Ikhlaf says that Allama Iqbal spent all of his time studying western philosophy and shouldn’t be taken for any Islamic knowledge. Ibrahim Ikhlaf says that Allama Iqbal says that Allama Iqbal shouldn’t even be taken seriously.

—13:15, Ibrahim Ikhlaf quotes 6:116 (6:117 in the Kadiani Koran) and argues that Ahmadi’s don’t follow the majority. Ikhlaf alleges that Muslims always cite the majority of scholars and sahaba on any matter, however, this is incorrect in light of this verse.

—14:19, Ibrahim Ikhlaf quotes the famous hadith wherein Muhammad (Saw) said that Islam started as something strange and will return as something strange.

—15:32, Ibrahim Ikhlaf alleges that Muslims are fighting amongst themselves, Barelvi’s vs. Deobandi’s.

—16:21, Ibrahim Ikhlaf alleges that Ahmadi’s don’t call Muslims as Kuffar. Ahmadi’s call them as Muslims, however, rejecting Maseeh-e-Maood is Kufr, obviously.

—16:38, even Allama Iqbal spoke harshly to Muslims and said they look like Christians, and Hindu in culture, even like the Jews. Maudoodi criticized Muslims too.

—18:30, Ibrahim Ikhlaf quotes books of MGA in terms of the Finality of Prophethood from before 1901, he quoted “Nur ul Haq” and “Ainah Kamalate Islam”.

—18:44, Ibrahim Ikhlaf is mad that Adnan sat with a Christian (Declan Henry) and discussed. Ikhlaf refused to mention Declan Henry’s name.

—19:01, Ibrahim Ikhlaf is upset that Adnan challenged him to a debate. He then rants about this for a minute.

—20:31, Ibrahim Ikhlaf mentions the famous hadith wherein Eisa (as) is called Nabi ullah.

—20:50, Maulvi Razi starts talking, Ibrahim Ikhlaf told him to comment on MGA and the Christian missionaries. Razi mentions Batalvi and the famous debate with Athim. Razi mentions how Allah used the word “zaneem” for those who work with Christians, like Adnan Rashid.

—21:32, Maulvi Raheel alleges that history is repeating itself. Maulvi Raheel mentions how Dr. Henry Martyn Clarke had filed a case of attempted murder against MGA. Batalvi showed up to court in this case and gave a testimony vs. MGA. Nevertheless, MGA was acquitted. Maulvi Raheel says that Christians, Arya Samaj and Muslims had united against MGA.

—22:22, Ibrahim Ikhlaf says that he is not saying that Christians and Muslims shouldn’t be friendly. Ikhlaf calls Declan Henry an Athiest/Jew/Hindu and lies and says he doesn’t know what religion Declan is. Ikhlaf is mad about this and says that Christians should stick to Christianity.

—22:50, Maulvi Raheel alleges that when it comes to MGA, Muslims start defending Niyog, and this is their destiny. Muslims become the defenders of Christians.

—23:27, Maulvi Razi says that just to oppose MGA, Muslims defend grave worshippers and those Muslims who do shirk. Muslims see everything as Islam, except MGA.

—23:36, Ibrahim Ikhlaf says that even his wife said that it was needed for MGA to come in India. Ikhlaf argues that in Morrocco, Palestine or Saudi, no Muslim has ever sat with a Christian and attacked Qadiani’s. However, he says attack Muslims. Even if they consider Ahmadi’s as Non-Muslim, but Ahmadi’s call themselves as Muslim.

—23:55, Mansoor Ahmad Clark starts talking, he talks about Wahi Nubuwwat.

—24:36, Maulvi Raheel Ahmad begins talking about Wahi Nubuwwat. Raheel alleges that Muslims don’t believe in the absolute finality of prophethood, since Muslims believe that Eisa (as) will return on Earth.

—25:15, Maulvi Raheel Ahmad says that Wahi Nubuwwat is different from Wahi Wilayat.

—26:02, Maulvi Raheel alleges that Muslims break the finality of prophethood when they believe that the same Eisa (as) ibn Maryam will return and receive Wahi Nubuwwat, which will be binding to accept by all.

—26:54, Maulvi Raheel quotes the 1974 announcement wherein Ahmadi’s were declared non-Muslim for purposes of the Pakistani constitution. Maulvi Raheel alleges that this declares the entirety of the Muslim ummah as Kuffar. Maulvi Raheel then quotes a poem of MGA wherein MGA stated that when Muslims call him Kafir, they have put a stamp on their own Kufr.

—27:56, they show a clip of Adnan Rashid wherein he says that Wahi has ended, and another clip of Adnan and Declan Henry’s recent interview, wherein Adnan said that Eisa (as) will return as a follower of Islam, and not as a prophet to the Israelites, and how Eisa (as) is not coming back in prophetic capacity.

—28:57, they showed a clip of Bro Imtiaz wherein he says that Wahi Nubuwwat has ended.

—30:53, Maulvi Raheel says Muslims have contradictory beliefs. He quotes Suyuti and alleges that Suyuti said that the view that Eisa (as) will only get saintly ilham should be thrown out, or Wahi that is not haqiqi.

—31:48, Maulvi Raheel says that Muslims have enacted a constitution in Pakistan to persecute Ahmadi’s. They don’t allow Ahmadi’s, who are the “true Muslims” to pray, saying salam, any ibadat.

—33:20, the Islam of the majority of Muslims is dead, like a dry branch. Muslims call MGA a disbeliever since MGA called himself the “Kamal zill”. In other words all the attributes of Muhammad (Saw) entered MGA (naozobillah). Raheel Ahmad alleges that Adnan did Takfir on all the scholars who also held this view.

—33:45, they played a clip wherein Adnan Rashid said that anyone who claims to be actual Muhammad (saw) is a Kafir.

—34:04, in the same clip, Razi alleges that Adnan Rashid has declared Ahmad Reza Khan a Kafir, since he allegedly said that Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani has all of the Kamalat (attributes) of Muhammad (Saw). Razi also accuses Ahmad Reza Khan of claiming that Allah has entered himself. Razi alleges that even Shah Wali Ullah saw in a dream that he was God (Kime-e-Zaman), Razi even accuses the family members of Shah Wali Ullah of having the same type of dreams. Razi then alleges that via a book named “Taqeero Inam”, becoming God in a dream means that you are on the right path. Razi called all of it as metaphorical language.

—35:45, Maulvi Raheel says that Muslims don’t have any positive examples. MGA said the Messiah will never come, and Muslims will keep waiting. Raheel Ahmad alleges that only Ahmadi’s understand what “Khatme Nubuwwat” really means.

—36:37, Mansoor Ahmad Clarke begins talking and introduces Asif Basit and their guest speaker.

—37:12, Asif Basit begins talking, Mansoor Ahmad Clark talks again and asks Asif Basit to talk about how Ahmadi’s helped in the creation of Pakistan.

—38:09, Asif Basit begins to answer. He says that Muslims couldn’t figure out if they should declare Jihad against the British Government. Muslims were disunited.

—39:55, Asif Basit alleges that the only time Muslims came together and agreed on anything was the 1931 All India Kashmir Committee wherein the 2nd Qadiani-Ahmadi Khalifa was elected through fraudulent means as the President.

—41:13, Asif Basit alleges that Allama Iqbal presented the name of the 2nd Qadiani-Ahmadi Khalifa to be the President.

—43:38, Asif Basit mentions the work of Ayesha Jalal on the 1931 All India Kashmir Committee. Asif Basit admits that Allama Iqbal saw the Kufri behavior of Qadiani-Ahmadi’s and began to consider them as Kafirs after this incident, however, not the Lahori-Ahmadi’s.

—45:15, Asif Basit mentions how Zafrullah Khan was chosen as the president of the All Indian Muslim League in 1931-1932. Asif Basit then alleges that the Ahmadi Maulvi Fateh Muhammad Sial was quite active in this political movement. Sial even presided over many meetings of the All Indian Muslim League.

—46:22, Zafrullah Khan was acting like an Ahmadi while he was in-charge of the All Indian Muslim League in 1931-1932.

—47:34, Asif Basit alleges that Muslims saw Ahmadi’s as Muslims in 1931 (a total lie).

—48:28, Asif Basit thinks Muslims wanted to be free from the British in 1947 (a total lie), Pakistan is still a puppet country of the West.

—48:44, Mansoor Ahmad Clarke begins talking and asks Asif Basit as to where the idea came from to declare Ahmadi’s as Non-Muslim?

—49:14, Asif Basit alleges that Muslims on India saw the Ahmadiyya Movement as a threat in 1931, and this is where it all started from. He then says that any definition of a Muslim that Muslims have made has been politically motivated.

—50:14, Asif Basit says that Muslims called Jinnah as “Kafir-e-Azim”, since he was a Shia.

—50:14,

At , Ibrahim Ikhtalaf admits that he never knew that Mga claimed to be the second coming of Muhammad (saw)(naozobillah)(See on Twitter).

At , Adnan Rashid explains how #ahmadis twist Sufi sources to suit their lies. How #ahmadis don’t follow the Quran and Hadith, nor do they follow Mga (See on Twitter).

(3:19:46 time stamp), Maulvi Razi quoted “Tadhir un Nas” by Nanotvi (page 29) on a True Islam UK livestream and argued that Muslims believe that every single prophet is the zill of Muhammad (saw).

On June-27-2025 (3:22:18), Maulvi Razi misquoted Shah Wali Ullah’s “Futuh al-Haramayn” Page 120)(also spelled as “Fioz Ul Haramain”) and alleged that Shah Wali Ullah argued that the reality of “Muhammadiya” as explained by the Sufi’s when saints get the names of prophets and the books (qutb) in the form of Buruz (this is a misrepresentation of the text). Maulvi Razi argued that MGA only claimed to be the second coming of Muhammad (Saw) in the spiritual sense and alleges that Shah Wali Ullah was using it the same way. Maulvi Razi then alleges that Shah Wali Ullah wrote that the Imam Mahdi will be the Buruz of Muhammad (Saw)(naozobillah). Maulvi Razi quotes “Al-Tafhimat al-Ilahiyyah” by Shah Wali Ullah and alleges that he said that there are 2 Buruz’s, one is “haqiqi” (real) and the one that will happen with Muhammad (Saw)(this is another misrepresentation).

At 3:32:01, Adnan Rashid says that Shah Wali Ullah would have been the first person to do Takfir of MGA, how dare they quote him!

(3:55:33 time stamp), Adnan Rashid explained how Ahmadi’s twist Qurtubi to suit their needs and argue that Muslims believed in a second advent of Muhammad (Saw).

(3:56:10 time stamp), Adnan Rashid explained how Ahmadi’s twist Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani in terms of “wujood”, this is not what MGA was arguing, MGA argued that he had become Muhammad (saw)(naozobillah). Furthermore, Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani never claimed to be the second coming of Muhammad (Saw) and MGA did, which takes MGA out of Islam, it is Kufr of the greatest level (akber).

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