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May 2018

Mirza Bashir Ahmad vs. Muhammad Ali (1940-41) on the topic of Funeral prayers for non-Ahmadi Muslims

Intro
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was always against Ahmadi’s joining funeral prayers for Muslims. However, today, we bring you an incident from 1940-1941 wherein the topic of funeral prayers for non-Ahmadi’s-Muslims was discussed between the 2 factions.

1941
Muhammad Ali writes, Qadianio ko Saalis Bun-nay kee Daawut”. Muhammad Ali challenged any Qadiani-Ahmadi on this issue addressed to Qadiani Jamaat members. He asked if any single one of them could testify that:

“””‘In the time of the Promised Messiah and the time of Hazrat Maulana Nur-ud-Din, that is before 1914, saying funeral prayers for non-Ahmadis was considered to be prohibited as it is now, and no Ahmadi community ever held the funeral prayers of a non-Ahmadi.’”””

Mirza Bashir Ahmad responded

A few months later in 1941, Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote a book in reply which was more than 200 pages long, entitled Mas`ala Janaza ki Haqiqat. The standpoint in this book was that when the Promised Messiah wrote that janaza prayers of non-Ahmadis were allowed, he put such conditions on it that such a non-Ahmadi would in effect have to be an Ahmadi!

Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote about these conciliatory statements of the Promised Messiah that:

“The Promised Messiah gave people a bitter pill to swallow which he coated with sugar, but Hazrat Khalifat-ul-Masih 2 has given them the pill directly without sugar coating.”
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Links and Related Essays

http://www.aaiil.org/urdu/books/muhammadali/saalis/saalis.shtml

Mujib-ur-Rahman’s statement on MTA about janaza prayers

Who is Mirza Bashir Ahmad?

In 1914, Mirza Bashir Ahmad simply called MGA a Mujadid, not a Prophet—Review of Religions of June 1914

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/17/seeratul-mahdis-1st-edition-is-missing-it-was-published-on-dec-10th-1923/

Mirza Bashir Ahmad (a son of MGA) wrote (in 1920) that Aisha was 7 years old when she married Muhammad (Saw)

Mirza Bashir Ahmad did Takfir on all Muslims and Lahori-Ahmadis (1915)

“Kalimatal Fasl” by Mirza Bashir Ahmad (1915-1916) quotes and background info

Do Ahmadis believe in the same Kalima as Muslims?

Ahmadis are hypothetically allowed to kill other Ahmadis

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s rules about the funeral prayer of a non-Ahmadi Muslim – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s rules about the funeral prayer of a non-Ahmadi Muslim


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“Ahmadiyya, beliefs and experiences” (2000) by Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh–An Ex-Ahmadi from Kababir, Haifa, Israel

Intro
Hassan Odeh began doubting Ahmadiyya in 1987, since he knew that Ahmadi Maulvi’s and the inner circle of the 4th Khalifa to be bad people. The Mubahila with Zia and the ensuing false propaganda also effected him a great deal. By 1989, he quit Ahmadiyya, by 1990, his brother quit.

He was born in 1955, he is a second generation Ahmadi from Kababir. He was the first ever Qadiani-Ahmadi born in Kababir to become a missionary for the Ahmadiyya Movement. He became an ex-Ahmadi in the 1990’s and wrote about his experiences. Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh tells us that his maternal grandfather was the first ever person in his family to convert to Ahmadiyya, his name was Abdul Qadir Bin Salih Al-Odeh (in 1928). Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh then tells is how his paternal grandfather was the second person in his family to convert to Ahmadiyya, his name was Al-Haj Ahmad Bin Abdul Qadir Al-Odeh. Thus, both of his male grandparents were converts to Ahmadiyya. His father is named Mahmood (just like the 2nd Khalifa), and he was the Ameer of Kababir for many years (most likely 1970’s). Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh has 2 brothers, Ahmad and Salih (See page 12).

In the 1970’s, he had moved to Sweden, and it seems that his brother Ahmad Odeh was also there as well as their father, it’s unclear if Salih was there. He met the 3rd Khalifa in 1976 and 1978 and became intimately close to the 3rd Khalifa and his notorious sons, Mirza Anas Ahmad, Mirza Farid Ahmad and Mirza Luqman Ahmad. In 1979, he decided to devote his life to Ahmadiyya and was sent to Qadian for Jamia training. He was a moosi (someone who pays 10% chanda and will give 33% of their assets to the jamaat when they die).

In his book, Hassan Odeh mentioned how he worked closely with the 4th Khalifa at Tilford in the UK. He also worked closely with the 4th Khalifa’s inner circle (1986–1989) and noticed that they lacked qualities of goodness and virtue. At the same time, Hassan Odeh said that he observed that the 4th Khalifa was making mistakes with reading the Quran/hadith, “he didn’t have command of Arabic”, and that the member of the Mirza family lacked Taqwa and most had sold their soul to the Khalifa like rabbits. Hassan Odeh tells us that in 1989, as the second century of Ahmadiyya dawned, the 4th Khalifa gave a sermon on March 23rd, 1989 and announced that he had received a revelation and then read the revelation and then made a mistake and quickly changed the revelation (See page 76). This really shook Hassan Odeh. Hassan Odeh also mentions how Mirza Tahir Ahmad was always in search of New Ahmadi’s and specifically from the Arab world and was targeting young Arab men who were in the UK and seeking a work visa or educational visa (See page 78). Hassan Odeh explains how he came in contact with young arab men and they quickly accepted Ahmadiyya without asking many questions. Hassan Odeh claims that the conversions to Ahmadiyya were mutual, the arabs needed visa’s and Mirza Tahir Ahmad needed converts. Hassan says that after he left ahmadiyya, he confirmed that all of these young arab men had only converted to ahmadiyya for self-interest. He was also there for the Mubahila vs. Zia ul Haq and the famous prophecy of Mirza Tahir Ahmad about “Friday the 10th”. The Mubahila was also published in the Arabic magazine, “Al-Taqwa”. When Zia died, the 4th Khalifa was shocked and he thought that many people would join Ahmadiyya as a result of this, however, that didn’t happen. In fact, Zia had never accepted any Mubahila from Mirza Tahir Ahmad, nor did he ever know of it. However, many ulema from Pakistan had accepted it and has sent letters to the 4th Khalifa asking for a place to meet him and etc., however, Mirza Tahir Ahmad never even answered them. Thus, the Mubahila vs. Zia ul Haq and the propaganda that ensued also was a huge factor in Hassan Odeh leaving Qadianism.

We have written extensively about Ahmadiyya in Kababir, Haifa, Israel. We wanted to add one more piece research information to our blog. We have found and posted a book by Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh, who is an ex-Ahmadi from Kababir, Haifa, Israel. He is from the famous Odeh family. In 1986, under Mirza Tahir Ahmad, he worked as the “Director-General” of the Arabic section of the Ahmadiyya Movement. He had also lived in Qadian and had learned Urdu and thus was able to read directly from the books of MGA. Read about Hani Tahir and Ikrami Najami herein.

By 1990, Ahmad Odeh (Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh’s brother) officially quit Ahmadiyya.


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The Review of Religions (ROR) of November 1931, Front page and pages 290-291

 

Intro
As we continue our work on Ahmadiyya in Kababir, we have collected an article from November of 1931 which gives us additional evidence.  It seems that Mirza Basheer-uddin Mahmud Ahmad had sent Jalal-ud-din Shams in roughly 1925 and had him return in 1931.  The Khalifa replaced him with another Ahmadi-Mullah, Maulvi Abul-Ata Allah Ditta, who was a new graduate of the Mullah-training-school in Qadian.

Summary
This report has lots of info on Islam in Palestine, Egypt and Syria, which were all property of the British Government.  It also tells us that before Jalal-uddin Shams, there was another Ahmadi-Mullah sent to Damascus.  His name was Syed Zainul-Abideen Wali-ullah Shah.  This person has never been mentioned before in the annals of Ahmadiyya literature.  Moreover, the British government forced Jalal-uddin Shams to leave the Damascus area and they seem to have directed him towards Kababir, wherein there was a family of Muslims living in a village.  Finally, a report of the operations of Ahmadiyya in Bengal is also given.

The PDF
The Review of Religions (ROR) of November 1931, Front page and pages 290-291

Links and Related Essays
https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/10/kababir-an-ahmadiyya-community-in-israel-by-ray-register-1970-hartford-seminary-foundation-thesis-dissertation/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/16/the-review-of-religions-ror-of-november-1931-front-page-and-pages-290-291/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/17/ahmadiyya-beliefs-and-experiences-by-hassan-bin-mahmood-odeh-an-ex-ahmadi-from-kababir-haifa-israel/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/03/12/ahmadiyya-officially-claimed-that-the-state-of-israel-is-temporary/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/17/ahmadiyya-beliefs-and-experiences-by-hassan-bin-mahmood-odeh-an-ex-ahmadi-from-kababir-haifa-israel/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/28/ahmadis-in-the-israeli-military/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/24/ahmadi-mission-in-israel-as-written-in-the-pakistan-times-on-june-18th-1974/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/16/the-review-of-religions-ror-of-january-1932-pages-30-34images/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/06/06/in-1924-the-ahmadiyya-khalifa-traveled-from-india-to-england-and-stopped-in-egypt-damascus-and-why/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_in_Syria

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/05/09/review-of-religions-august-of-1932-factors-which-contribute-to-the-success-of-a-new-religion-and-their-application-to-the-ahmadiyya-movement/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/09/11/an-ahmadiyya-album-from-the-1920s-which-proves-that-ahmadiyya-was-supported-and-appreciated-by-the-british/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/08/23/hani-tahir-has-written-a-new-document-available-in-english-as-he-exposes-the-internal-working-of-ahmadiyya/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/06/anjam-e-athim-1897-quotes/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/09/23/mga-invented-the-23-year-theory-for-prophets-and-his-opinion-on-6944/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/13/who-is-jalal-ud-din-shams-1901-1966/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/10/09/who-is-maulvi-sayyid-zayn-alabidin-waliullah-shah/

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#ahmadiyya #ahmadiyyatrueislam #ahmadiapartheid #Ahmadiyyat #rabwah #qadian #meetthekhalifa #ahmadiyyat #muslimsforpeace #ahmadiyyafactcheckblog #nolifewithoutkhalifa #Ahmadiyyainisrael #ahmadiyyainpalestine #ahmadiyyainhaifa #ahmadiyyainkababir #haifa #kababir

The Review of Religions (ROR) of January 1932, pages 30-34+images

Intro
My team and I continue to collect archival material on the Ahmadiyya Movement. In this instance, we have found the ROR of 1932 and some specific pages. This article in the ROR specifically tells us about Ahmadiyya operations in Syria, Egypt and Damascus. Ray Register wrote an extensive thesis in 1970 also. There is another ROR essay of 1931 which also tells us about Ahmadiyya in Syria and Palestine in this era.
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Who is Afzal Upal, the Ex-Ahmadi?

Intro
In 2021, after Nida Al-Nasser’s leaked audio shook the world of Ahmadiyya, Afzal Upal also confessed to being sexually abused by a mail family member at the Rabwah Jalsa of 1976, see his tweets herein. Rana Tanveer covered the story herein. We love Afzal Upal, and all Ex-Ahmadi’s and all Ex-Muslim’s. We believe that everyone is free to pick their own religion. Enjoy the video. Afzal Upal explains why he wrote his book, “Moderate-Fundamentalist”. He did a video herein explaining why he wrote his book. His book can be downloaded for free herein. His father was a Murrabi in the Ahmadiyya Movement, he worked mostly out of West Africa and got transferred to Pakistan and then Canada in the 1980’s. He died in a car crash in 1995, his name was Maulana Ali Haider Upal (he is mentioned in the 2008 booklet, (“Ahmadiyya Muslim Mosques Around The World – A Pictorical Presentation. Ahmadiyya Muslim Community; Khilafat Centenary Edition. 2008. ISBN 978-1882494514). He is listed as having been stationed in Vancouver. It should also be noted that Afzal Upal claims that his father was stationed in Karachi by the Ahmadiyya Movement and he lived there also, right across the street from the Drigh Rd Ahmadiyya place of worship that recently had its minarets removed.

He wrote “Moderate-Fundamentalist” in 2017 and was given a warning by the Jamaat (basically kicked out of Ahmadiyya), he wrote a letter to the UK Charities Commission, however, because he was not a citizen of the UK, it was dismissed.

In 2022 he created his own youtube channel, “Ideals and Realities”, which seems to also be the name of a book by Dr. Abdus Salam. His email is idealsrealities@gmail.com. He also published “The Handbook of Islamic Sects and Movements” (2021).
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Mirza Sultan Muhammad from Patti, District Lahore, married Muhammadi Begum (MGA’s niece/daughter), not MGA

Intro
Mirza Sultan Muhammad from Patti was the famous husband of Muhammadi Begum. Mirza Sultan Muhammad married MGA’s daughter/niece and MGA also predicted his death within a few years, which never happened. Ahmadi mullahs went to the extreme of making up fake stories that Mirza Sultan Muhammad repented or apologized, or in some way was neutral in this whole matter. However, that is a total lie. Firstly, Mirza Sultan Muhammad served in the British military and even fought during WW-1 (1914–1918). He was shot and survived and became a hero of sorts.

In 1892, he married Muhammadi Begum.

In 1913, when Sultan Muhammad was serving in the British-Indian Army, the Ahmadiyya Movement faked and fabricated a letter by him which was published in the Tashizul Adhan of May-1913.

1914–1918, he served in the British Military during WW-1.

In 1921, the Qadiani-Ahmadi again posted fake information about a report from Sultan Muhammad wherein he allegedly supported Qadianism (see the full quote in the below)(See Al-Fazl of June 9th, 1921).

In 1924, the Weekly Ahl-e-Hadis newspaper of Amritsar in its publication of 24th March, 1924 (this newspaper was edited by Maulvi Sanuallah) posted information which proved that Sultan Muhammad was against the Qadiani’s.

In 1947, he moved to Pakistan during partition.

In 1966, his wife, Muhammadi Begum died. Muhammadi Begum died on 19 November, at Lahore, her funeral prayer was led by Molana Shahabuddin of Chowburji who was a disciple of Shaikhul Hind Molana Mahmoodul Hasan. She was buried in Qabrustan Miyani Sahib Lahore.

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Dr. Abdus Salam’s grand-daughter and Malala Yousafzai–at the screening of the new movie on Dr. Salam

Intro
Our team of writers here on this blog have written extensively on the truth about Dr. Salam, he turned on his fellow Pakistani’s and gave all of his work to European nations, and he did this per the instructions of the Ahmadiyya movement. Further, its most likely that Dr. Salam was a closet-atheist who remained loyal to Ahmadiyya simply out of respect for his parents.  Moreover, he never wrote in support of any Ahmadi arguments. He never wrote about Jesus in India, the eclipses or any other scientific phenomenon that Ahmadiyya claims.
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24 ILLEGAL Ahmadi CENTRES LOCKED DOWN BY THE PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT IN KHUSHAB. PUNJAB, PAKISTAN

Intro
This report is from the Daily Ummat of Rwp, May 9th-2018.

District administration has closed 24 illegal Qadiani Centres after publishing of News in daily Ummat Karachi, an esteemed newspaper of the country. These Centres were opened by the Qadianis without any permission and registration with local authorities. Area residents were protesting against these unlawful activities of Qadianis under the patronage of former Qadiani District Police Officer Waqas Nathoka and SHO Azmat Joiya. Area residents complained that Qadianis are involved in the espionage activities of sensitive Atomic installations in the area. Local authorities came into action after persistent protests. Muslims all over the country welcomed this timely action by the authorities. Qadianis, as usual are making, hue and cry that they are being persecuted.


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Kababir: an Ahmadiyya community in Israel by Ray Register (1970)–Hartford Seminary Foundation–Thesis/dissertation


Intro

My team and I have found a Thesis that was written about the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1970.  It specifically highlights the Ahmadiyya community in Kababir. The PDF’s are upside down, remember to rotate them. This blog has posted many rare articles on Ahmadiyya, we will continue to do so. We also provide opinions on the data that we find. Read about the history of Ahmadiyya in Israel herein.

He explains how, by 1970, the population of Kababir had swelled to 750 people, men, women and children (600 Ahmadi’s, 50 Muslims, and 100 Christians, see Register). He also mentions Abdullah Odeh as the secretary of the Ahmadiyya Mosque. Register also told the world that only Muslims convert to Ahmadiyya and he has never heard of any Christian or Jew who converted to Ahmadiyya in Israel. He mentions another member of the Odeh family as working as the “headmaster” in the late 1960’s, Falah Al-Din Odeh. Only 2 of the teachers of this school have a college education. Ray Register also explains how the Odeh family doesn’t marry their cousins. Register explains how in Kababir, Christians are tenets and Ahmadi’s are the land owners. He came in to contact with 2-3 Qadiani-Ahmadi Maulvi’s, Sheikh Jalal Al-Din Qumir,
Sheikh Ulahi Bashir (the brother of the previous murrabi)(he actually allowed Register to come to Kababir) and Sheikh Bashir Al-Din Abid Allah.
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