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Intro
Qadiani and Lahori-Ahmadi’s both deny 3:46 of the Quran. It seems that in 1891, via MGA’s written debate with Muhammad Bhopali in Delhi (see Al-Haq Mubahathah Dehli {1891}), MGA argued that “Wakahlan” (See 5:110 and 3:46) means the prime of youth (age 20-32) and Eisa (as) spoke when he was 2-4 years old (described by MGA as “Khorud Salee”) and defended his mom to the Jews. However, 40 years later, his own “Promised Son” totally contradicted MGA and alleged that Eisa (as) was 30 years old when he defended his mother to the Jews (See scans in the below). Thus, Ahmadi’s officially believe that Maryam (as) and Eisa (as) were in hiding for 30 years and finally came and faced the Jewish clergy/elders (see 19:29-30). These people were already old and thus, they would have been dead in 30 years, thus, the entire theory collapses. Furthermore, the 2nd Khalifa (the promised son) said that anyone who disagrees with Eisa (as)’s age being 30 is crazy. Thus, MGA’s own son called him crazy for alleging that Eisa (As) was “Khorud Salee” (2-4 years old). Factually, a child of 2-4 can speak, however, an infant of just a few months can’t, and this was when Eisa (as) spoke (fil mahdee), and this was the miracle of Allah.

3:46 of the Quran and 5:110 prove that Esa (As) will physically descend close to the Day of Judgment (see 43:61). In both verses, the same phraseology and words are used to explain how Esa (as) spoke in the cradle (fil maahdi) and will speak at manhood (wakahalan)(upon his second coming). The phrase wakala or wakalan only appears in the Quran twice, and both times in reference to Esa (as), thus proving that Esa (as) will physically descend and give wisdom via his speech.

5:110 also proves that Eisa (as) was never harmed by any Jews or Romans and thus never hung on the cross (salaboo-hoo). It seems like MGA never wrote about Eisa (as) in the cradle, which includes these verses: 3:46, 19:29, 19:30, 19:31, 19:32, 19:33 or 5:110. MGA did make a mockery of Islam in this case, since he said he heard his son (Mirza Mubarak Ahmad, 1899-1907) speaking while in his mother’s womb.

Tafsir ibn Kathir confirms this. In fact, Ibn Kathir presented a hadith from Abu Hurraira, wherein he relates that Muhammad (saw) said that Eisa (as) spoke in the cradle.

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Qurtubi, Vol. 5, page 138

“””Abul Abbas said: He (Eisa [as]) spoke to the people from the cradle and proved his mother’s innocence. As for his speaking whilst he is middle aged, that is when Allah sends him down at the age of 33. So he will say as he said in the cradle, that I am abdullah, so these 2 occasions of his speaking are 2 signs and proofs of Allah..”

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Baghawi in his tafseer
Tafsir al-Baghawi – Wikipedia
Vol. 2, page 46

“”””…And it was said to Husayn ibn Fadl, Did you find the nuzool of Eisa (As) evidenced in the Quran. He said, yes, wa yukallimunnaasa filmahdi wa kahlaa. And he hadn’t reached his middle age when he was in the dunyah. It only means that he will be middle aged after his nuzool from the sky/firmament…”””

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Ad-Durr Al-Manthoor, Vol. 2, page 199
By As-Suyuti

“””Ibn Zayd said in regards to this verse. Eisa certainly spoke to the people from his cradle. And he will speak to them when the Dajjal comes, and that is when Eisa (as) will be middle aged…”””

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Tafsir Ibn Kathir on 3:46
http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Aal-e-Imran/%60Isa-Spoke-When-He-was-Still-i—

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Al-Haq Mubahathah Dehli, Ruhani Khaza’in Vol.-4, p. 167

4:21:31 time stamp

Translation
..”speaking here means, a special speaking, which Hazrat Messiah (eisa [as]) said to the Jews, who put allegations against his mother..”

Transliteration
...”kalam say murad vo khaas kalam hai, jo Hazrat Maseeh nay in yahoodi say kee-a taa, jo yah ilzam unkee walda per lagataytay…”

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Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Part-7
Maryam, Chapter 19, page 229
4:29:32 time stamp

The 2nd Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said if people believe that Eisa (as) spoke in the cradle (between the age of 1 week and 4 months), then his first miracle (mojiza) was a lie, he was not a prophet, but he said was a prophet.

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Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Part-7
Maryam, Chapter 19, page 233
4:29:56 time stamp

The 2nd Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said that Eisa (as) spoke per 19:29-30 at the age of 30. 

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Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Part-7
Maryam, Chapter 19, page 233
4:24:38 time stamp

The 2nd Khalifa, Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmud Ahmad said that if people think “Mahad” (cradle) means the age of childhood and it is thought that the Messiah was a milk drinking (breastfeeding age) infant when he spoke, then, these verses all are full of lies.

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1907
Al-Hakam

Al Hakam March 31, 1907, page 11:

It is written about Hazrat Isa that he began to speak in Mahd, it does not mean that he began to speak at the time of birth or at the age of two or four months, but it means that when he was two or four years old, because this is the time when children play in cribs. It happens and it is not surprising for such a child to talk, my girl Ummat al-Hafiz also talks a lot.

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Tafsir-e-Kabir, Vol.-7, pages 244-245

Under Chapter 19 and the specific verses of about Maryam (As), the 2nd Qadiani Khalifa made a joke and gave a disrespectful parallel. He gave a stupid story about a man who unknowingly gave birth and was tricked as such, and how he returned to his town 30 years later and got embarrassed. The 2nd Khalifa was trying to say that this is how Maryam (as) and the miraculous birth of Eisa (as) happened, a series of stupid people doing stupid things for money (astagfarullah), listen to Bro Imtiaz explain it herein.

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Malik Ghulam Farid, in the 5-volume official commentary on the Quran

In terms of 3;36, in the 1988 edition of this 5-volume commentary, Farid claims that in Lane’s Lexicon, wakala means middle age (see page 396), he then quotes Thalabi’s famous commentary on the Quran wherein this scholar writes that this phrase wakala means between the ages of 40-55.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tha%27labi

39:42 of the Quran disproves all #ahmadi arguments on the death of Esa (as)

5:110 of the Quran proves the second advent of Esa (as) and the substitution theory

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2020/04/04/ahmadiyya-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-the-physical-raffa-of-idris-as-aka-enoch-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/18/mgas-strange-beliefs-on-the-birth-of-adam-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/11/06/review-of-religions-may-and-june-of-1939-professor-clement-lindley-wragges-interview-of-mga-from-1908/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/25/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-his-team-went-back-and-forth-in-terms-of-if-jesus-had-a-biological-father-or-not/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/10/07/noor-uddin-secretly-disagreed-with-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-on-the-birth-of-esa-as/

http://www.muslim.org/books/f-ahm-mv/ch12.htm#u

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/18/mgas-strange-beliefs-on-the-birth-of-adam-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/02/muhammad-ali-the-lahori-ahmadi-denies-the-miraculous-birth-of-esa-as-in-1917/

http://www.muslim.org/sa-case/evidence/s16.htm

Professor Raig Meets The Promised Messiah

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad quoted and commented on 17:8 in 1884 in the Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, vol. 4, he then connected 17:8 with the return of the Messiah

During the writing of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, MGA masked his beliefs, he was already asserting that Esa (as) died

What is Maseel-e-Maseeh? The like of the Messiah?

Sir Syed’s view on Esa (as)–1882

The Queen of the Princely state of Bhopal invested heavily (1878) into Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and his Braheen–they were disappointed by the product

Friedman errs on Ishaat us Sunnah volume numbers and the corresponding year

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/11/14/mga-confuses-all-of-his-readers-in-1891-as-he-claimed-to-be-the-promised-messiah/

Nusrat Jehan Begum and other women didn’t get into to MGA’s bait in 1889 and after–were they illiterate?

Ahmadiyya leadership lied about the First Bait ceremony in 1889

Click to access reviewreligionsenglish1908.pdf

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was accused of claiming prophethood in the 1879–1884 era

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Lindley_Wragge

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Sadiq

Account of Professor Clement Lindley Wragge

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/?s=Zikr-e-Habib

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http://www.thecult.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1601&p=15867&hilit=miraj#p15867

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/01/20/quotes-from-izala-auham-1890/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2016/10/28/izaala-auham-quotes-1891/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/01/29/khutbah-ilhamia-quotes-the-revealed-sermon-april-11th-1900/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/06/27/ahmadis-have-always-lied-about-the-publish-dates-of-izala-auham-1890/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/07/22/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-denied-the-physicality-of-the-miraaj-in-1890-in-izala-auham/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/09/18/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-4159-4160-in-the-ahmadiyya-qurans-before-the-death-of-jesus-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/08/18/muhammad-ali-writes-that-izala-auham-was-published-in-september-of-1891/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/09/25/mirza-tahir-ahmad-tells-the-world-in-the-90s-that-izala-auham-was-published-in-june-1891/

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Mohammadi_Begum.html#cite_note-begum-8

B.A. Rafiq, “Truth About Ahmadiyya, online version, https://www.alislam.org/library/book/truth-about-ahmadiyyat/suspension-of-jihad/, Retrieved on 6-7-19).

Per Islamic theory, Adam (As) was created in heaven and placed on Earth, thus proving that travel between Earth and Heaven is possible

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/02/23/christ-and-the-crucifixtion-by-todd-lawson/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/04/28/tanwir-al-miqbas-min-tafsir-ibn-abbas/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/04/28/the-tanwir-al-miqbas-tafsir-and-the-substitution-theory-of-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/09/20/tawaffa-in-242-and-415/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2020/05/17/in-1880-before-the-publishing-of-the-barahin-i-ahmadiyya-series-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-already-knew-that-he-was-the-second-coming-of-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/09/18/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-4159-4160-in-the-ahmadiyya-qurans-before-the-death-of-jesus-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2020/07/20/3942-of-the-quran-disproves-all-ahmadi-arguments-on-the-death-of-esa-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2018/02/03/in-1884-before-his-wildest-claims-mga-defined-inni-mutawafeeka-wa-raffa-as-i-shall-give-you-full-reward-and-shall-raise-you-towards-me/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2019/09/18/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-and-4159-4160-in-the-ahmadiyya-qurans-before-the-death-of-jesus-as/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/04/28/mujahid-ibn-jabr-arabic-%D9%85%D9%8F%D8%AC%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%90%D8%AF%D9%92-%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%86%D9%92-%D8%AC%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%92%D8%B1%e2%80%8e%e2%80%8e-645-722-ce-tafsir-on-4157-to-4159/

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/05/10/st-john-of-damascus-and-his-tract-heresy-of-ishmaelites-confirms-the-substitution-theory-749/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoon_hypothesis

https://ahmadiyyafactcheckblog.com/2017/04/26/salaaboo-in-2071-proves-the-substitution-theory-for-esa-as/

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=587&Itemid=59#3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzspz1z5gz4

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Abu-al-Qasim-Mahmud-ibn-Umar-al-Zamakhshari

https://www.google.com/search?q=Who+is+Todd+Lawson&oq=Who+is+Todd+Lawson&aqs=chrome..69i57.5047j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Aal-e-Imran/%60Isa-Spoke-When-He-was-Still-i—

MGA lost the debate with MOLVI MUHAMMAD BASHIR BHOPALI (1891) – ahmadiyyafactcheckblog